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isleyofthenorth
Austria894 Posts
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:38 jmbthirteen wrote: But but that means tastosis didnt get $50k? Reddit told me they did! Considering sc2 had what, 10 casters alone at MLG, 20k for every caster of every title isnt much. Please don't be a dummy. It's not what Reddit said, it's what DJWheat said on his stream and then clarified on Reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nbrr7/no_fluff_itg_tastosis_made_more_at_mlg_than_the/ | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
If this current business model is not working, maybe MLG should rethink their costs before trying to rip off their consumers. Why do they need to hold events in places like Atlantic City (I know it's IPL, but they were guilty of this sin as well) and NYC? Even worse considering that there will be no live crowd attending. If this was held in Poughkeepsie, NY, no one would of known the difference and the costs of flying and accomodations would be closer to 30K rather then 100K. Then you could of maybe have an LQ free stream for everyone, which would in turn increase the number of people watching your inferior product. This all just seems like MLG trying to convince the coporate suits that it is a bigger deal than it actually is. Ever heard of natural growth Sundance, cuz I'm sure all the suits at Hotpockets and Dr.Peper have and they will not be impressed with this, especially when it will bomb because no one wants to pay 20$ to watch adds and have the stream go down for hours on end. | ||
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Coffeerage
United States27 Posts
You guys are hosting this in NYC, one of the most populous and well connected cities in the world, why are you not trying to take advantage of that, and having an in person LAN event? and charge like $5? wouldnt that make some sense as well? Manhattan may get pricey, but there are plenty of places with easy access in queen/brooklyn/bronx by subway. One of the reasons for the price, is that you are tying to make esports a legitimate. Which i respect; but i can watch most sports for free, live, on tv. Why do you have to charge for the same content? I understand the LQ/HQ thing, as bandwidth costs can get quite high, but limiting our views to only one stream? Correct me if im wrong, but do you not make advertisement money per impression PER STREAM? If i were watching this event, and were allowed to watch multiple streams, i would put them all up at once. Therefore, wouldnt this count as a unique impression per stream? If you have 5 streams at once, and i keep up all 5, isnt that 5 extra ad impressions, instead of only 1 ad from one stream, which is what you would restrict us to? Potentially that would limit your monetary intake. | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
Where do all the extra costs from last year to this one come from? Just go back to what you did last year then if this does not work. Fine fly over less koreans or pay for less of of their stuff to get the cost down to 5 or something. Not my job to figure that out. | ||
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anApple
Singapore275 Posts
Guess they need money but whether it is to improve their services or for profit is yet to be seen.  | ||
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isleyofthenorth
Austria894 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:45 Hrrrrm wrote: Please don't be a dummy. It's not what Reddit said, it's what DJWheat said on his stream and then clarified on Reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nbrr7/no_fluff_itg_tastosis_made_more_at_mlg_than_the/ i dont think this should surprise anyone really. but that it cant be healthy for esports is obvious too | ||
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Stiver
Canada285 Posts
I've supported GSL this year (after dropping the last few seasons last year), and it's been the best games since release. If MLG can increase even greater quality than they have alread for a few more bucks, it is worth the money. Suck it up, and help actually support the game. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:04 feanor1 wrote: @MLGSundance Well I believe him. And last year they had tiny prize pools. I don't think MLG was burning a ton of money last year, but they defiantly lost money. As I said earlier, it's foolish to fly every invitee down when you won't get full value for each personality without a live audience and limited interactive opportunities. This event could be ran like any other online tournament. I get it. They saw what HomeStory Cup did and wanted to do something similar; however, this doesn't fit into their established brand and MLG is constantly changing their model which adds to confusion and unhappy consumers. If I'm on the MLG's board of directors, I'd be asking why the heck they're throwing away all that money in airplane tickets, hotel rooms and food for the players when the exposure to the tournament is getting severed? Where am I getting my value for flying 32 players down to a studio without an audience or other promotional activities? Where is the build-up? Online qualifiers? What will make this different? Without proper fan interaction and other activities taking place you have all the tools to do this online. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:57 CatNzHat wrote: Watching Assembly, their production value not worth my cash for live view over assembly When you're not competing with another event, you can charge all you want, but when you have strong competition you can't be charging that much... I seriously must be bored because I just wasted a good hour reading the comments in here.. even though I had already discussed this all day on skype with some other people in the industry.. Anyway, what CatNzhat says here is right on.. however, lets give MLG a chance here..as Slasher has been tweeting .. this event MUST set new standards for production value. With that being said.. the community (that's all of us on TL here).. need to understand what good production quality is for an org as big as MLG. No more excuses for the casters (who get paid!) to not have stats in front of them!! Casters need to know AND understand the format of the event! No more seeing the same MLG commercial 7 times in a row while you wait for the next map or segment.. The list can go on.. but the top 2 are the 2 that bug me to no end.. Just that minor change will be something that hardly ANY casters currently do in SC2. If we are going to pay $20 bucks.. we should expect a serious jump in quality. Personally, I am all for MLG giving this a shot (wish they had chose a new date for their event though or just chose not to do ppv for this specific event).. but hey.. they are running a business and its EXTREMELY expensive to do what they do. My 3 cents... (sweet.. $19.97 more and I can afford the ppv!) | ||
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PantsB
United States77 Posts
Why exactly are they hosting an event in one of the most expensive cities in the world when no audience will be there to see it? If it costs 100K to fly them to New York... don't fly them to NYC. Pretty disappointing. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:29 MLG_Adam wrote: Where do you guys this stuff haha. Come on! This post by DJwheat on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nbrr7/no_fluff_itg_tastosis_made_more_at_mlg_than_the/ Tastosis deserve every cent they earn. This came from a "hypothetical question" in which we were to "half" one caster in popularity. IN REALITY, halving Tastosis would a tremendous amount of damage to the community and growth. The real issue is player's getting paid. Across the board. I can't really sit on the sidelines and preach about players earning more money, and not address this issue. And yes I am a part of this "problem". Please don't misunderstand how much I believe these guys earn every dollar they make, I'm extremely proud of them both. But if you took all the caster salaries for every event, I bet it could rival some of the prize payouts easily. That's just the state that things are in. Is it right? I dunno? I'm not even sure how it got to this point so quickly. I am able to cast... cause the players play. I don't have to go through a stressful tournament to earn my keep, I just have to talk a bunch. I just think this is a bigger issue than some people realize and I absolutely worry about some players discontinuing play because they cannot earn the money they need to continue that quest. I apologize if I offended anyone (including Tastosis, any casters, and/or MLG), I'm just speaking from my heart... and not my brain. Though he most likely meant it meant rivaled the non championship MLG it would be more reasonable but it is kind of vague so that is what most likely confused him. The only other public info on caster payment before you said 20k for all casters was this one by Incontrol http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 OK I am going to try and pretend this was a post made while drunk, tired or just feeling dumb... Huk has the ability to speak for "players" that is a generalization. None of huk's examples were "I am not paid enough" or "I feel like I deserve much more money etc" he was speaking in general.. players ARE paid a helluva lot less than casters are. In general, casters are treated like THE super stars that are the most important thing while players are 2nd rate. Did you know Day9 made around 20k dream hack weekend? How much do you think TB made? This kind of stuff happens every tourney.. players go and make as little as 0$ or as much as significantly less than the casters... if a player wants to say "there should be some middle ground here" he should NOT get called out by someone who some people think has clout (you). Why the HELL would you ever want to argue against a player saying that players in general should be treated better and paid more on a level towards the casters? So thats where the perception casters are rich came from. Just thought you'd like to know. | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:43 Angel_ wrote: The problem for me isn't, "well if 1000 will pay it's alright you'll still get a profit". the problem is, "we want esports to grow that's our dream to reach as many people as possible and have this merge in the west and growth growth growth everywhere everywhere"....and you set up a program that you hope 1000-2000 of a previous 35k will be a part of. you're literally taking your dream (not you you), and appealing to new audiences and growing esports to more people, and shooting it in the head. it makes me sad. As they say, actions speak louder than words. If they really wanted to grow e-sports they wouldn't shut the door on their audience for a small increase in their profit. Oh, but they have to cover their overhead one might argue. Well, a sensible man might also argue that they wouldn't have such overhead if they had a better business model, as in not flying and accommodating 32 people from around the world for a tournament that will only be viewed online. | ||
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Cattlecruiser
United States340 Posts
They are asking the community to invest in their plans to become a commercial entity somewhat like KeSPA or even the NFL. Personally I won't be chipping in because I don't find MLG's entertainment worth $20, but this is a worthwhile experiment to find the potential of e-sports from a business standpoint. | ||
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dnld12
United States324 Posts
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creamer
Canada128 Posts
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Chronicler
6 Posts
I've supported MLG since '05, when I had to pay $25 to watch the Livestreams of the Halo 2 events, and always supported them, but after introducing Gold Memberships and them promising to increase prize money if a certain level of memberships were bought (weren't they going to increase prize money by a substantial amount if they got 100,000 Gold Members, how many Gold Members are there, I see a lot of Gold avatars on the MLG forums). I'm hoping MLG reconsiders this and offers a low quality stream with less behind-the-scenes offerings for free, with the $20 option. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:30 MLG_Adam wrote: 20k total for every caster of every title at providence. Could you please answer why you guys believe that an untested product ("MLG’s new Premium streaming experience page") for ONE event that includes no guarantees (free of lag, etc..) is worth such a steep price (comparatively to other tournies)? | ||
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