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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11106 Posts
I know the esports people have been fantasizing about the dough they could extract from a community that wants to be "patriotic" esports consumers. It'll be an interesting experiment. There are multiple aspects that made SC an attractive thing to watch/enjoy. One of them was the pricepoint. | ||
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Chronicler
6 Posts
4+ streams is too much IMO, maybe 2, but not 4. For $20 I'd rather be able to watch each match, rather than have to pick and choose. | ||
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
That's why i loved the way they were doing it before. I had access to stuff that was good for my setup, and the stuff i couldn't use, i didn't have access to anyway. I doubt a ton of people are in the same boat tho. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:34 Warpath wrote: I would pay for this if my internet was able to manage the HQ, but paying for LQ would leave me feeling jipped =\ That's why i loved the way they were doing it before. I had access to stuff that was good for my setup, and the stuff i couldn't use, i didn't have access to anyway. I doubt a ton of people are in the same boat tho. i would argue that there are many many people with shitty internet connection/pcs. | ||
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bovineblitz
United States314 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:34 Chronicler wrote: Would anyone else rather have 1 stream with no down time? Give each player their own station (assuming they have room for 32 stations). Have each match ready to go at the beginning of the 2nd game of the series before them, series 1 gets over, announcers jump into series 2. Game 2 of series 2 starts, players in series 3 get ready. 4+ streams is too much IMO, maybe 2, but not 4. For $20 I'd rather be able to watch each match, rather than have to pick and choose. Yes, I think multiple streams is kinda silly. Two is fine because then you have a choice, five is kind of ridiculous. It makes me feel like the content just goes to waste. It also raises the price because there's more production, more commentary, and more necessary equipment. I'm only going to watch one of the streams at a time (and most people will focus on one or two matches at a time) so again it feels wasteful. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27335 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:34 Chronicler wrote: Would anyone else rather have 1 stream with no down time? Give each player their own station (assuming they have room for 32 stations). Have each match ready to go at the beginning of the 2nd game of the series before them, series 1 gets over, announcers jump into series 2. Game 2 of series 2 starts, players in series 3 get ready. 4+ streams is too much IMO, maybe 2, but not 4. For $20 I'd rather be able to watch each match, rather than have to pick and choose. Actually what I want is ideally a 3 stream setup, caster view, and an first person view of each of the players who are up at a particular time. FPVODs just are sick, and have yet to be well exploited by the tournaments. | ||
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acidbean
Germany287 Posts
But the problem is that there is so much SCII content out there. We've got personal streams, smaller (daily) tournaments (Playhem, Go4SC2, ...), online events (Korean Weekly, KSL, .... ) big events (Dreamhack, Assembly, HomeStoryCup) and the large ongoing tournaments like MLG / GSL / IEM / IPL. Also a lot of this is completely free of charge or at least available for free in low quality. You pay for HQ streams, VODs, more streams. But how many are paying for those options? Its hard to get any real number, if you arent deep involved in it. I think HSC4 got something like 60.000 viewers on the freestream, the premium peaked at 7000? viewers. HSC was a very special event and the price for the premium ticket was very low with only 5 € for the whole weekend. But only +/- 10% of the people payed for it. MLG demands 20 $ for a 3 day event with 5 streams with additional features, instant VODs, lots of great players. Is the price reasonably? I think yes, 20 $ isn't a lot a money for me. But a lot of the viewers are only in school, college, university or starting to work. For them it's a lot of money, maybe even to much. Even if you can spare 20 $ each month for eSport, you have to choose which event is worth it. Do you go with the best cost-value ratio? Do you go with the best production? Do you go with your favorite players? Do you go with the caster choice? When are those games played? Each one of us got other preferences, so MLG will have to work very, very hard for their money. MLG will not have my money for the Winter Arena, its on a bad time for me, also Assembly is going on at the same time. If the next event isnt competing against another tournament at the same time, I'm pretty sure that I'll pay for it. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
Our goal at MLG will always be to give aspiring gamers a platform to compete, while broadcasting that competition to spectators and fans. I'll wait to see if any replies start asking why this is 'funny' before I go off on it. Happy hunting all! | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:30 MLG_Adam wrote: 20k total for every caster of every title at providence. But but that means tastosis didnt get $50k? Reddit told me they did! Considering sc2 had what, 10 casters alone at MLG, 20k for every caster of every title isnt much. | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
As long as (amount of people who pay $20) > (amount generated from ad-impressions on free viewers), then it's a win for them. Perhaps $20 was alittle steep though, one of these things that you could convince 10000 viewers to pay $5, but only 1000 viewers to pay $20. We'll see how it works out. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:38 csn_JohnClark wrote: I get all of the fuss about the ppv and it being on the same day as other events..but.. the funniest thing I noticed from the post was not even related to that..but the following quote: I'll wait to see if any replies start asking why this is 'funny' before I go off on it. Happy hunting all! Is it because of the nonexistent crowd thats gonna be at Winter Arena, so no spectators?  | ||
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h3nG
46 Posts
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bovineblitz
United States314 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:39 domane wrote: I doubt the discussion in this thread will change people's minds. Most people who bought tickets/passes previously will pay for this service. Most people who didn't do so previously (including me) will continue to limit their viewing. I paid before but this is too rich for my blood. I'm not sure where I draw the line but this is clearly over the line as far as what I'm willing to pay. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:38 acidbean wrote: I think PPV can be the right direction for eSports, only relying on ad revenue to make money would be stupid, at least for business like MLG / GomTV / ESL. They have to make money to pay their employees, to pay for other expenses like tech, player travel, casters and realize profit. The people who invest in those ventures want to see some return on their investment. But the problem is that there is so much SCII content out there. We've got personal streams, smaller (daily) tournaments (Playhem, Go4SC2, ...), online events (Korean Weekly, KSL, .... ) big events (Dreamhack, Assembly, HomeStoryCup) and the large ongoing tournaments like MLG / GSL / IEM / IPL. Also a lot of this is completely free of charge or at least available for free in low quality. You pay for HQ streams, VODs, more streams. But how many are paying for those options? Its hard to get any real number, if you arent deep involved in it. I think HSC4 got something like 60.000 viewers on the freestream, the premium peaked at 7000? viewers. HSC was a very special event and the price for the premium ticket was very low with only 5 € for the whole weekend. But only +/- 10% of the people payed for it. MLG demands 20 $ for a 3 day event with 5 streams with additional features, instant VODs, lots of great players. Is the price reasonably? I think yes, 20 $ isn't a lot a money for me. But a lot of the viewers are only in school, college, university or starting to work. For them it's a lot of money, maybe even to much. Even if you can spare 20 $ each month for eSport, you have to choose which event is worth it. Do you go with the best cost-value ratio? Do you go with the best production? Do you go with your favorite players? Do you go with the caster choice? When are those games played? Each one of us got other preferences, so MLG will have to work very, very hard for their money. MLG will not have my money for the Winter Arena, its on a bad time for me, also Assembly is going on at the same time. If the next event isnt competing against another tournament at the same time, I'm pretty sure that I'll pay for it. you forgot sponsors, ads, brand etc | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On February 14 2012 13:39 Rampager wrote: Makes sense from MLG. That's a lot of dough they're dishing out to make a tournament that the fans want to see, but there's probably no way they'd recoup from just having free stream viewers so they slap a charge on it. As long as (amount of people who pay $20) > (amount generated from ad-impressions on free viewers), then it's a win for them. Perhaps $20 was alittle steep though, one of these things that you could convince 10000 viewers to pay $5, but only 1000 viewers to pay $20. We'll see how it works out. The problem for me isn't, "well if 1000 will pay it's alright you'll still get a profit". the problem is, "we want esports to grow that's our dream to reach as many people as possible and have this merge in the west and growth growth growth everywhere everywhere"....and you set up a program that you hope 1000-2000 of a previous 35k will be a part of. you're literally taking your dream (not you you), and appealing to new audiences and growing esports to more people, and shooting it in the head. it makes me sad. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
Hopefully they consider a price drop to around 5-10$ for the weekend. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
If Sundance wants money, he should try to make this is a big deal. He'll have thirty two players, without any fans, in a new tournament enviorment that we've never seen before. They could do lots of cool things to exploit the no fans and having a wide array of players there. Games, interviews, charades, strategy discussions. If Winter Arena wants to be a success, they need to be something other than just another tournament. Yes, the winner gets $10,000, but it still is just the tournament before the real tournament. Assembly might have a slightly weaker line-up, but still have Polt, JYP, Puma, and some European favorites. Sundance needs to find a way so that the Winter Arena just isn't another tournament except that you need to pay $20 to watch it. Fuck, make the Koreans face off against the Foreigners in a big game of Twister. Take my money. I won't see that at Assembly. | ||
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