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On February 14 2012 09:44 mark05 wrote:
I'm not against paying for sutff, but the way the deal is made is not worth it, i mean for that amount you could get 2season of gsl.
Also, a"20 hour limit" would be scaring me, i mean i watch A LOT of starcraft, i don't want to "save up" my hours of watching to not run out of time to see the finals... this is a badly taught system.
I love mlg, and would support them with some kind of passes, but this, no
Try again.
Agreed, I see nothing wrong with PPV for a tournament like MLG, so long as its worth the money beyond 'better' players which are from other seasons and somehow made it to the event with the stipend MLG gave along with team support.
I also watched MLG's for the community feel, almost everyone who mattered in the world of Sc2 would goto the events so you could kind of treat it as a convention where everyone gets together so it would be interesting to watch such an event with so many people. These arenas have a different feel which i don't care too much for, the games will be good sure and the competition strong but I see that same level from the same players in events like GSL, FIS#5, showmatches, NASL etc.
Not worth it.
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On February 14 2012 09:45 Saig0n wrote:
I think i would pay 10 dollars but not 20 dollars. 20 dollars is a very steep price for only a 3 day tournament
Yeah that should be more reasonable.20 dollars is way too much.Maybe if you payed 20 dollars for all the arenas as a package or something.Or if bying the arena for 20 dollars allowed premium package for the winter championship,That could be a good deal.
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On February 14 2012 09:46 Timerly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:44 Clank wrote:On February 14 2012 09:33 SonOfBoxer wrote:On February 14 2012 09:30 jinixxx123 wrote:On February 14 2012 09:27 SonOfBoxer wrote:
Well, I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyhow: personally, I can't find sense in paying for any tournament that isn't the GSL. Some people like to say "if you don't support them, you're killing e-sports!", but Chill himself had the perfect answer for those guys: "If you show your support by paying, you'll create a bubble" (something like that).
You see, the GSL is the best tournament in the world not because of some specific format or something like that, but because it has the best players in the world. Like one of our favorite TL Writers once wrote: "There's no such thing as hidden gosus anymore", and he is right. Nowadays, if you're good, everybody knows about you. So, why should I spend a relatively high amount of cash to see a minor tournament? Or worse: a pre-tournament?
GOM charges 20 bucks for 2 straight months of pure awesomeness, whereas foreign companies want to charge almost (or more than) that for a weekend worth of low-level games (when compared to the GSL). So, really, it makes no sense paying to watch anything but the GSL so far, unless you have cash to burn. dude cut the bullshit, very high code S players are playing in this tournament. as i said in this thread, say the fee is to much or you are not paying , dont come here with such bullshit reasons. Evidently, you are one of those who has cash to burn. And don't be so mad at me because I actually value my money. Cry all you want, but the fact remains this is a low level tournament, and that they want to charge "just 20 bucks for 20 hours of streaming" whereas I can pay 20 bucks for 2 months of the best streaming in the world. So, yeah, keep the rage coming baby cake. LOL, low level tournament? they have some of the top players in the scene and a 26k prize pool. But yes, other tournaments are cheaper than this arena will be, however, are those other tournaments actually making money? I have no idea (other than IPL, which is losing money), but the fact that MLG isn't currently making money with all of their viewers, I would assume these other tournaments are also losing money. MLG is trying to bring money into the scene with a quality product and actually make money and really grow the scene. To my knowledge most of the remaining big LAN events like Assembly and Dreamhack break even overall.
It might make sense for European tournaments to be fine with breaking even just off of the love of the game, but in America if it doesn't make money, it doesn't fly is the trend, sadly to say.
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Well I'll be watching, But looks like MLG won't be hosting SC2 anymore by the end of this year. Hope they focus on fighting games and League of Legends instead.
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I'd also like to note the following: I believe MLG is doing this too fast. I think they should've let this Arena be free, test the water so to speak, and then if the feedback was excellent and people were drooling over every little bit about the Arena THEN make it PPV. We have very little idea what the broadcast will be like since this is pretty new territory (no audience, homestoryesque but def not the same atmosphere).
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I simultaneously like this idea of monetizing SC2 and yet ... won't pay for it. Hmm. Weird feeling.
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On February 14 2012 09:43 fineyouwin wrote:
InB4 sundance makes some passive aggressive comment about e-sports fans ungratefulness due to our unwillingness to shell out 20 dollars and how MLG is doing this for esports and started out with nothing. I payed 20$ for an mlg SEASON pass 6 years ago. I know how all this goes.
Take it from me. Do not buy this product and the quality of service will be forced to improve to survive.
They need $$$ to improve their product. Be rational.
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On February 14 2012 09:46 Timerly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:44 Clank wrote:On February 14 2012 09:33 SonOfBoxer wrote:On February 14 2012 09:30 jinixxx123 wrote:On February 14 2012 09:27 SonOfBoxer wrote:
Well, I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyhow: personally, I can't find sense in paying for any tournament that isn't the GSL. Some people like to say "if you don't support them, you're killing e-sports!", but Chill himself had the perfect answer for those guys: "If you show your support by paying, you'll create a bubble" (something like that).
You see, the GSL is the best tournament in the world not because of some specific format or something like that, but because it has the best players in the world. Like one of our favorite TL Writers once wrote: "There's no such thing as hidden gosus anymore", and he is right. Nowadays, if you're good, everybody knows about you. So, why should I spend a relatively high amount of cash to see a minor tournament? Or worse: a pre-tournament?
GOM charges 20 bucks for 2 straight months of pure awesomeness, whereas foreign companies want to charge almost (or more than) that for a weekend worth of low-level games (when compared to the GSL). So, really, it makes no sense paying to watch anything but the GSL so far, unless you have cash to burn. dude cut the bullshit, very high code S players are playing in this tournament. as i said in this thread, say the fee is to much or you are not paying , dont come here with such bullshit reasons. Evidently, you are one of those who has cash to burn. And don't be so mad at me because I actually value my money. Cry all you want, but the fact remains this is a low level tournament, and that they want to charge "just 20 bucks for 20 hours of streaming" whereas I can pay 20 bucks for 2 months of the best streaming in the world. So, yeah, keep the rage coming baby cake. LOL, low level tournament? they have some of the top players in the scene and a 26k prize pool. But yes, other tournaments are cheaper than this arena will be, however, are those other tournaments actually making money? I have no idea (other than IPL, which is losing money), but the fact that MLG isn't currently making money with all of their viewers, I would assume these other tournaments are also losing money. MLG is trying to bring money into the scene with a quality product and actually make money and really grow the scene. To my knowledge most of the remaining big LAN events like Assembly and Dreamhack break even overall.
so is breaking even good? MLG is in this business to make money
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These days, I can only watch like an hour or two of SC2 per day. I think I'll be fine with catching some Assembly actions instead.
As for MLG's decision to go PPV, it's understandable. I hope it works out for them.
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On February 14 2012 09:48 casualman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:46 Timerly wrote:On February 14 2012 09:44 Clank wrote:On February 14 2012 09:33 SonOfBoxer wrote:On February 14 2012 09:30 jinixxx123 wrote:On February 14 2012 09:27 SonOfBoxer wrote:
Well, I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyhow: personally, I can't find sense in paying for any tournament that isn't the GSL. Some people like to say "if you don't support them, you're killing e-sports!", but Chill himself had the perfect answer for those guys: "If you show your support by paying, you'll create a bubble" (something like that).
You see, the GSL is the best tournament in the world not because of some specific format or something like that, but because it has the best players in the world. Like one of our favorite TL Writers once wrote: "There's no such thing as hidden gosus anymore", and he is right. Nowadays, if you're good, everybody knows about you. So, why should I spend a relatively high amount of cash to see a minor tournament? Or worse: a pre-tournament?
GOM charges 20 bucks for 2 straight months of pure awesomeness, whereas foreign companies want to charge almost (or more than) that for a weekend worth of low-level games (when compared to the GSL). So, really, it makes no sense paying to watch anything but the GSL so far, unless you have cash to burn. dude cut the bullshit, very high code S players are playing in this tournament. as i said in this thread, say the fee is to much or you are not paying , dont come here with such bullshit reasons. Evidently, you are one of those who has cash to burn. And don't be so mad at me because I actually value my money. Cry all you want, but the fact remains this is a low level tournament, and that they want to charge "just 20 bucks for 20 hours of streaming" whereas I can pay 20 bucks for 2 months of the best streaming in the world. So, yeah, keep the rage coming baby cake. LOL, low level tournament? they have some of the top players in the scene and a 26k prize pool. But yes, other tournaments are cheaper than this arena will be, however, are those other tournaments actually making money? I have no idea (other than IPL, which is losing money), but the fact that MLG isn't currently making money with all of their viewers, I would assume these other tournaments are also losing money. MLG is trying to bring money into the scene with a quality product and actually make money and really grow the scene. To my knowledge most of the remaining big LAN events like Assembly and Dreamhack break even overall. It might make sense for European tournaments to be fine with breaking even just off of the love of the game, but in America if it doesn't make money, it doesn't fly is the trend, sadly to say.
The first goal for a business should be to break even and then to try to grow, its not bad to break even you can carry on forever breaking even every time.
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It is embarrassing how angry people are about having to spend a few bucks for a ton of matches. I don't think people realize how much money events DON'T make. I would much rather drop a few bucks on a tournament than deal with the eventual death of tournaments when ads alone don't cut it.
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On February 14 2012 09:43 chestnutcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:41 Klonere wrote:On February 14 2012 09:40 Boblhead wrote:On February 14 2012 09:36 leecH wrote:http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.htmlLimitation of Usage
Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s).
Regarding Websites and "Premium Access"
We understand that many third party websites have a "free" method to see their video content, as well as a 'premium' membership service that allows for speedier viewing.
For clarity, please note that as long as the website that hosts your Production provides a free method to allow viewers to see the Production, Blizzard Entertainment will not object to your Production being hosted on that site, regardless of the site's "for pay" premium service plans. so MLG pays Blizzard a fee so they can do this? Can someone explain please? ;/ THIS, will MLG will be violating Blizzards terms, which will most likely cause a lawsuit against MLG. That being said MLG has to offer a free stream. Why didn't Blizzard take action against GOM re: the AOL, which was PPV only? Its because they work it out with Blizzard to get exceptions. But GOM provides a free live stream no?
Correct. I believe every GSL event so far has had a free stream.
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On February 14 2012 09:49 Odal wrote:
It is embarrassing how angry people are about having to spend a few bucks for a ton of matches. I don't think people realize how much money events DON'T make. I would much rather drop a few bucks on a tournament than deal with the eventual death of tournaments when ads alone don't cut it.
What happens when the bubble you create pops?
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It's not a bad idea, but it's just too high of a price. 20$ for 3 days? Come on.
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Just makes it better for me, whenever MLG weekened was on I would be forced to watch... now that I have less time and GSL pass  just makes everything easier.
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On February 14 2012 09:40 neurosx wrote:
20$ to watch crowd shots 80% of the downtime ( between ads ) ? No thankss
there is no audience at this. It's just a 32 person tournament. The players were determined through qualifiers.
I'm going to buy this, but this really hurts. I usually watch online with friends. Now, not all of us are going to buy this. Actually out all my friends, I'm the only one that pays for GSL. 
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Definitely buying this. MLG deserves my faith and capital after the amazing year they ran in 2011.
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On February 14 2012 09:50 pollisand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:43 chestnutcc wrote:On February 14 2012 09:41 Klonere wrote:On February 14 2012 09:40 Boblhead wrote:On February 14 2012 09:36 leecH wrote:http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.htmlLimitation of Usage
Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s).
Regarding Websites and "Premium Access"
We understand that many third party websites have a "free" method to see their video content, as well as a 'premium' membership service that allows for speedier viewing.
For clarity, please note that as long as the website that hosts your Production provides a free method to allow viewers to see the Production, Blizzard Entertainment will not object to your Production being hosted on that site, regardless of the site's "for pay" premium service plans. so MLG pays Blizzard a fee so they can do this? Can someone explain please? ;/ THIS, will MLG will be violating Blizzards terms, which will most likely cause a lawsuit against MLG. That being said MLG has to offer a free stream. Why didn't Blizzard take action against GOM re: the AOL, which was PPV only? Its because they work it out with Blizzard to get exceptions. But GOM provides a free live stream no? Correct. I believe every GSL event so far has had a free stream.
Nope, not AOL. That was premium only.
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20 is a lot for one event. Especially if you compare it to GSL..
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My assumption has always been that PPVs are reserved for one night only big ticket evets such as with boxing and UFC. For one thing its good for MLG to start thinking about how they can make streaming more profitable for them, but bad for viewers who want to actually watch. The hype caused by this new format and the untimely announcement of the PPV is hard to swallow, and takes away a lot of the hype going into the event. This makes it hard for the community to grow since people who are new to the game and the pro scene will not get a good impression of the sport due to a fee.
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