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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:40 Boblhead wrote: THIS, will MLG will be violating Blizzards terms, which will most likely cause a lawsuit against MLG. That being said MLG has to offer a free stream. either MLG and blizzard have come to an arrangement which is what i imagine or MLG forgot about it and has to change all their plans. | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:39 dsousa wrote: Costs $20 to watch on stream, how much does it cost to actually be there live? There is no live audience this time. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:40 Boblhead wrote: THIS, will MLG will be violating Blizzards terms, which will most likely cause a lawsuit against MLG. That being said MLG has to offer a free stream. Why didn't Blizzard take action against GOM re: the AOL, which was PPV only? Its because they work it out with Blizzard to get exceptions. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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Ikuu
United Kingdom97 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:38 casualman wrote: Sorry to say, but LoL will fail even harder than starcraft 2. Esports can't survive off of advertisements unless millions of people are watching; conventional sports can attain this number, but not even if all of the LoL players in the United States tuned in will they be able to actually get those numbers. Because LoL is F2P it's going to be even harder if nigh impossible to monetize >95% of the fanbase, meaning it is absolutely not viable as a monetizable esport. I can guarentee you that LoL has made more money for Riot than SC2 has for Blizzard. | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:40 Denzil wrote: Then thats ignorance on him and I'll be fine if MLG go under because it'll mean they couldn't cut it compared to tournaments that could. It's not ignorance, it's fiscal prudence. There's no point investing money in something that won't generate any return. It doesn't make sense financially. It's great if you're doing it for the love of the sport, but ultimately businesses don't work that way. | ||
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:37 antilyon wrote: Dude, not everyon live on USA or have a good salary to afford 20 bucks for a 3 day tournament. With 20 bucks I could eat for almost a week. This man speaks the truth. Starcraft 2 itself is grossly over priced (It basically costs about 10% of a starting salary of a person in their early 20s) for south east asia, since the SEA version is almost 20 pounds more expensive than the NA version. This has basically been the reason why this game hasn't picked up at all in India at least (about 20 dedicated players only), whereas dota, LoL, and age of empires (even wc3) have/had huge followings. | ||
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Molybdenum
United States358 Posts
$20 isn't a lot to some people, but remember to consider the target audience. The target audience is young, typically in school, so dropping $20 for a single weekend of sc2 is a little rough, especially when you consider the above (no audience, cost of travel, pre-tournament) | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:40 Boblhead wrote: THIS, will MLG will be violating Blizzards terms, which will most likely cause a lawsuit against MLG. That being said MLG has to offer a free stream. It only worked with GOM because GOM has an official Broadcasting contract, so Arena of Legends was legit, because they have a contract with blizzard. I doubt it, since the VODs are going to be provided, albeit a week later. I imagine if that policy didn't exist, there would be zero chance there would be free vods at all. GSL can get around this by offering free low quality stream and then charging for VODS | ||
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Atlare
Australia893 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:40 Denzil wrote: Then thats ignorance on him and I'll be fine if MLG go under because it'll mean they couldn't cut it compared to tournaments that could. Pretty much. The ball is in MLG park to make what they're offering worth at least what they're asking us to pay since we could seriously just go watch another event. If MLG packs up and says 'alright screw starcraft' then I doubt MLG would stick around since my understanding is that Starcraft is contributing alot to the viewership and attendances of MLG events. | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:41 Klonere wrote: Why didn't Blizzard take action against GOM re: the AOL, which was PPV only? Its because they work it out with Blizzard to get exceptions. I edited my post, But GOM has an official broadcasting contract with blizzard which allows them to probably have premium only streams to where they choose whether or not x tournament is free or is premium only. | ||
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SiegeFlank
United States410 Posts
That said, I do think there's some logistic issues that MLG should have paid more attention to: 1) It's the weekend of Assembly, which is free to watch. While I think MLG will have the better tournament in terms of competition and quality, many people will just wait the extra week for the free vods and watch assembly that weekend instead. 2) $20 is a massive jump up from $0. While I still think that the $20 price is reasonable, I know that I'm definitely of a minority. I think that MLG should've aimed for $10 to $15 instead, if they really wanted to get more people to buy the arena pass. It's much more reasonable to up the price by $10 or even $15 (from $0) than by $20 in the eyes of most people. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:37 turamn wrote: If that's what the television packages run in Sweden, Americans are getting shit on 24/7 by our providers. its actually a stream package, from a television company. Dont know how much it costs for the TV package. And somebody else asked if it was Netflix, its not, its Viaplay (an internet stream services from TV company Viasat). | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:29 mememolly wrote: how has the cost increased from last year that they gotta charge $20? don't expand unless you got the drones MLG Because they're holding a different kind of event this year, they're still holding the normal style MLG's in the same price range but this is... a separate thing, this is where they want it to be, rather than the status-quo of where it is. This is the starcraft circle-jerk that people seem to want, the viewers want the best casters, and the best players from each region going head to head, the players want a decent prize pool, the teams want MLG to fly and house players on MLG's dime for the duration so they can spend their money instead on acquiring and training their players rather than travelling them around (much like the korean teams already do and were likely the instigators of this particular change). The $20 per person represents the gap between what they could make on the event via ads, and what they need to actually cover their costs for an event of this kind. It's expensive, no doubt. $20 per person is steep, and I think if they could make their mark and charge less, they would, but this isn't just about setting a price and working off a budget, it's the other way round, they have a bar for what they want out of a tournament and are working backwards to the price point, as it turns out it's within reach, but still steep given the number of people who would be willing to pay. To even make the cost of the air-fares for the players, they need 5,000 paying customers (100,000/20) for instance. Personally I think it's doomed to failure, but, credit where credit is due, it's bold and ambitious. Is this what people really want? Is this something people are willing to PAY for? Those are two separate questions but we'll find out the answer to the latter come the time of this event. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:40 neurosx wrote: 20$ to watch crowd shots 80% of the downtime ( between ads ) ? No thankss There's no crowd this time, no live audience. | ||
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Vento7
Brazil45 Posts
Look at how much is a 1 year pass to GSL... If you want my money, try something like $30 for all 2012 events. | ||
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:41 Klonere wrote: Why didn't Blizzard take action against GOM re: the AOL, which was PPV only? Its because they work it out with Blizzard to get exceptions. But GOM provides a free live stream no? | ||
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