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On February 14 2012 09:02 turamn wrote:can't believe people get their panties in a bunch over 20 bucks  its a business, they can't just give shit out for 20 bucks. its unrealistic to expect this. honestly, if you're in a position in your life where you can't spend 20 dollars on entertainment you like -- i don't know what else to tell you. i really really really cannot understand why people on this forum are so reluctant to pay for streams, like they are entitled to it
Dude, not everyon live on USA or have a good salary to afford 20 bucks for a 3 day tournament.
With 20 bucks I could eat for almost a week.
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On February 14 2012 09:30 jinixxx123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:27 SonOfBoxer wrote:
Well, I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyhow: personally, I can't find sense in paying for any tournament that isn't the GSL. Some people like to say "if you don't support them, you're killing e-sports!", but Chill himself had the perfect answer for those guys: "If you show your support by paying, you'll create a bubble" (something like that).
You see, the GSL is the best tournament in the world not because of some specific format or something like that, but because it has the best players in the world. Like one of our favorite TL Writers once wrote: "There's no such thing as hidden gosus anymore", and he is right. Nowadays, if you're good, everybody knows about you. So, why should I spend a relatively high amount of cash to see a minor tournament? Or worse: a pre-tournament?
GOM charges 20 bucks for 2 straight months of pure awesomeness, whereas foreign companies want to charge almost (or more than) that for a weekend worth of low-level games (when compared to the GSL). So, really, it makes no sense paying to watch anything but the GSL so far, unless you have cash to burn. dude cut the bullshit, very high code S players are playing in this tournament, this isnt some minor tournament with minor players participating, Qualifiers were held and the best of the best got threw ( for instance Slayers MMA did not qualify because fxolucky knocked him out) as i said in this thread b4, say the fee is to much or you are simply not paying , dont come here with such bullshit reasons.
You are still paying for half the content with half the Code S competition (8 korean qualifiers + 6 or 5 from top 8 Providence). It's like paying twice as much for half of Code S
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On February 14 2012 09:36 tomatriedes wrote:
I guess what bothers me about this the most is that I don't feel Sundance and his team even particularly care about SC2. They're doing this now because they realize it's bigger than Halo and for no other reason. If I'm going to be spending money I'd rather it go towards something like Homestory where the people running it are actually passionate about the game and not primarily trying to be a slick business with cheesy Dr Pepper gaming house ads and the like.
A business targeting a bigger market? Disgusting!!!
+ Show Spoiler + just wait till they start targeting LoL, huge numbers there...
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going to be interesting seeing the numbers they get for this, I bet they don't do too bad tbh
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On February 14 2012 09:35 magnaflow wrote:
We need LoL numbers. Move over SC2, you're gonna be replaced as the main event in 2013. Losing players, losing viewers, Blizzard failed
Sorry to say, but LoL will fail even harder than starcraft 2. Esports can't survive off of advertisements unless millions of people are watching; conventional sports can attain this number, but not even if all of the LoL players in the United States tuned in will they be able to actually get those numbers. Because LoL is F2P it's going to be even harder if nigh impossible to monetize >95% of the fanbase, meaning it is absolutely not viable as a monetizable esport.
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I payed a hundred bucks for GSL and GSTL season ticket. I payed 5 Euro for IEM Cologne and HSC 4 HD Pass. I bought a Silver MLG Pass to watch Raleigh and Providence in HD. You would probably expect me to buy the PPV pass for MLG, but I won´t. I enjoyed MLG in the past, but 20 Bucks for one weekend way too much. Some of you argue, well it´s 20 hours, but c´mon, GSL in 2012 by now had way more content that probably the last the MLGs. Also, I have important exams to learn for, so it´s Assembly ad no MLG for me...
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On February 14 2012 09:24 jmbthirteen wrote:
To everyone talking about how GSL is cheaper, how is that korean sc2 scene? They are really thriving over there aren't they? I mean, those players are making a ton of money. And GOM is just rich as hell. I heard that Mr. Chae wipes his ass with $100 bills.
Oh wait, you mean the korean scene is incredibly small, players don't get salaries, teams need more sponsorship and are making deals with foreign teams to get money? And they can only play in tournaments outside of GSL if their trip gets paid for?
So GOMs format isn't really growing the scene much is it?
Jeez, you're misinformed.
Just because SOME PLAYERS like Idra, Huk, etc. can make big money on foreigner teams, DOES NOT MEAN THE FOREIGNER SCENE IS RICH. E-sports is still growing in Korea and America. You do realize that a lot of foreigners have extremely small salaries, right? I'm sure the richest of the rich in the foreign scene such as Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc. get paid more than the richest Korean in base salary, but the foreigner scene still doesn't have the infrastructure to do these kind of PPV's.
If this Winter Arena turns out to be awesome, has high production value, can exploit the idea of having just about a hundred great players in an arena with no fans, then I might pay for the next one. But this is not the real tournament. This is something new that they are trying and it might fail miserably. MLG was a great tournament last year, but they still had major production problems throughout the year and it'll be interesting to see how this works.
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Costs $20 to watch on stream, how much does it cost to actually be there live?
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MLG is really playing with fire. I personally was a bit mad because just month ago they automatically renewed my membership (silly me for not going through settings on MLG site) and I found about it after they took money via paypal. They really could send email few days before. But I just let it go since I was expecting big things for 2012.
And now they say the membership is worth nothing and I have to pay 20$ more for one event? That's kinda unfair. Just add the fact there will be Assembly on that same weekend and EU unfriendly time for MLG and the result is clear - no MLG this time.
I understand that MLG is also a business, but it seems they left many things out of consideration when deciding for this. Big part of the audience are students, there are many tournaments that offer better bang for the buck, the event doesn't have live audience... Even tho I don't really like this model, I would be willing spend 5$. I really can't imagine the amazing things they will bring to justify 20$.
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I can understand the move, and in some ways i endorse it. But I'd rather they didnt blow so much money on player travel and expenses. Ok, i get that players need the support, but i feel they'd have a much easier time convincing the general public to buy a $5 pass with less support for the players. Afterall, they DO have teams.
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On February 14 2012 09:37 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:30 jinixxx123 wrote:On February 14 2012 09:27 SonOfBoxer wrote:
Well, I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyhow: personally, I can't find sense in paying for any tournament that isn't the GSL. Some people like to say "if you don't support them, you're killing e-sports!", but Chill himself had the perfect answer for those guys: "If you show your support by paying, you'll create a bubble" (something like that).
You see, the GSL is the best tournament in the world not because of some specific format or something like that, but because it has the best players in the world. Like one of our favorite TL Writers once wrote: "There's no such thing as hidden gosus anymore", and he is right. Nowadays, if you're good, everybody knows about you. So, why should I spend a relatively high amount of cash to see a minor tournament? Or worse: a pre-tournament?
GOM charges 20 bucks for 2 straight months of pure awesomeness, whereas foreign companies want to charge almost (or more than) that for a weekend worth of low-level games (when compared to the GSL). So, really, it makes no sense paying to watch anything but the GSL so far, unless you have cash to burn. dude cut the bullshit, very high code S players are playing in this tournament, this isnt some minor tournament with minor players participating, Qualifiers were held and the best of the best got threw ( for instance Slayers MMA did not qualify because fxolucky knocked him out) as i said in this thread b4, say the fee is to much or you are simply not paying , dont come here with such bullshit reasons. You are still paying for half the content with half the Code S competition (8 korean qualifiers + 6 or 5 from top 8 Providence). It's like paying twice as much for half of Code S
its even less live content for the europeans because of the timezones.
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On February 14 2012 09:36 leecH wrote:http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.htmlShow nested quote +Limitation of Usage
Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s).
Regarding Websites and "Premium Access"
We understand that many third party websites have a "free" method to see their video content, as well as a 'premium' membership service that allows for speedier viewing.
For clarity, please note that as long as the website that hosts your Production provides a free method to allow viewers to see the Production, Blizzard Entertainment will not object to your Production being hosted on that site, regardless of the site's "for pay" premium service plans. so MLG pays Blizzard a fee so they can do this? Can someone explain please? ;/
THIS, will MLG will be violating Blizzards terms, which will most likely cause a lawsuit against MLG. That being said MLG has to offer a free stream.
It only worked with GOM because GOM has an official Broadcasting contract, so Arena of Legends was legit, because they have a contract with blizzard.
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I don't think it is worth it to spend $100,000 to fly everyone to an event for a game that cannot even be played on LAN. There is little benefit in having them all in the same place with no crowd. Just hold an NA cup, EU cup, and a Korea cup and fly the champs to meet somewhere in the final (+1 say from an invite or other methodology), and save yourself $92,000. Just my opinion, but I think this is a huge waste, and it is that waste which is causing the sudden need for PPV. TT
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On February 14 2012 09:34 Inertia_EU wrote:I cant help but think that when everyone says no, Sundance will be all like "If SC2's demand isn't high enough for us to do this, I'm not putting any more time into it 'till there is" Sorta thing.
Then thats ignorance on him and I'll be fine if MLG go under because it'll mean they couldn't cut it compared to tournaments that could.
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Like others have said, terrible timing to do this with another event taking place at the same time :/ I'm not entirely decided, but I'm pretty sure that MLG will get $20 out of me for this. Having watched all but one of their event streams last year (and attending the one I didn't watch on stream) I really feel that MLG has put together an amazing experience that is definitely worth funding.
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20$ to watch crowd shots 80% of the downtime ( between ads ) ? No thankss
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On February 14 2012 09:28 Boblhead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:27 eme wrote:
Also, when comparing to Homestory Cup, who sold their premium stream a lot cheaper, AND had a free stream to support the HD streams, didnt they make a profit out of it? HSC is very comparable to the winter arena, since the tournament set up (not necessarily the format itself) is similiar. 5 euros compared to $20 do the math, its 3x as expensive as HSC premium
And no where near as awesome! Can't beat HSC.
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On February 14 2012 09:38 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:36 tomatriedes wrote:
I guess what bothers me about this the most is that I don't feel Sundance and his team even particularly care about SC2. They're doing this now because they realize it's bigger than Halo and for no other reason. If I'm going to be spending money I'd rather it go towards something like Homestory where the people running it are actually passionate about the game and not primarily trying to be a slick business with cheesy Dr Pepper gaming house ads and the like. A business targeting a bigger market? Disgusting!!! + Show Spoiler + just wait till they start targeting LoL, huge numbers there...
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a business targeting a bigger market. Just that I, personally, prefer to support people who care about the game for reasons other than business. It's the same reason why I prefer to go to an indy coffee shop rather than Starbucks.
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When I first read this I was surprised, but then I took an arrow to the knee remembered how much fun I had watching every single MLG in 2011 (yes, even dallas was kind of fun. It was like listening to sc2 on the radio while viewing a slide show of the match). Seriously some of my fondest memories of 2011 are MLG related, and that was a year I did a few things I am proud of (graduated college, got a job, realized what I want to do with my life). Take my $20, its a small price to pay to be glued to my computer screen for a weekend.
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so stoked for assembly !!
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