EPTOn February 14 2012 09:29 Imascotsman wrote:
They had 3.2k on the premium stream at the points i was watching.
They had 3.2k on the premium stream at the points i was watching.
Still not that many people. But good to see its more than I thought.
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Still not that many people. But good to see its more than I thought. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:28 zefreak wrote: What's your point? You get more games with better players for less money.. and you are supporting the korean SC2 scene which apparently needs it badly. My point is that something needs to change. What GOM is doing for the Korean scene, it is not sustainable right now. Its not a sustainable business model any where right now. There are not enough viewers to rely on ad revenue like people hope. Its not growing the scene. The scene needs money. | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:37 SMD wrote: Do you understand how much money it takes to fly players in from Korea and Europe, and have them stay for 3nights at least in NEW YORK CITY? Their 100k estimate seems reasonable to me. If they didnt pay for any player and made the player pay, the prize pool could be 100k, maybe thats a better move? But it would be a huge risk to players/teams to pay 3k+ to fly in stay for 4 days, and not win anything. It does kind of beg the question why, when they're having no live audience anyway, they're bringing those 32 players to one of the most expensive cities in the world. And for everyone complaining about people wanting stuff for free, can we please acknowledge that there's a pretty big gap between free and $20 for one weekend? | ||
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On February 14 2012 09:32 quickclickz wrote: Any ideas know where this is being held? I looked all over and MLG didn't seem to release the info and the event is 11 days away. Javits Center, MSG? It's closed to the public anyways so they don't really need to release statements, I think it's in NY not sure though | ||
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On February 14 2012 09:30 neurosx wrote: I'm actually afraid this is going to be normal for future events and people wanting to do new things will think " Hey MLG is asking for 20$ so let's go for 20$ " That's actually the thing I'm most worried about, what if it really works and events start to look at MLG income and say " Woah that's fucking great let's make all of our event 20$ for a weekend " Will you guys who are ok to pay now will be ok to pay for more ? And what about the next MLG Arena ? It will be 20$ too, and the next one too, I'm afraid that if this is successful it's gonna spiral out of control and screw sc2 over. If anything I think other tournaments will be jumping for joy, particularly Assembly since this effectively sends people in droves to their tournament, if MLG absolutely nails it then MAYBE, we could see some more picking it up, but as @totalhalibut tweeted correctly 'The understanding and patience of fans for technical problems and production issues evaporates when they put money down'. First the content has to be worth the cost, there needs to be a reason bigger than 'better quality players' than to shell out $20 for a tournament while there is so much free content floating around with just as good or close to as good production quality with similar players. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:30 neurosx wrote: I'm actually afraid this is going to be normal for future events and people wanting to do new things will think " Hey MLG is asking for 20$ so let's go for 20$ " That's actually the thing I'm most worried about, what if it really works and events start to look at MLG income and say " Woah that's fucking great let's make all of our event 20$ for a weekend " Will you guys who are ok to pay now will be ok to pay for more ? What if let's say NASL comes out with new and never seen top notch content even better than GSL and start charging like 30$ ? And what about the next MLG Arena ? It will be 20$ too, and the next one too, I'm afraid that if this is successful it's gonna spiral out of control and screw sc2 over. This will only work for the biggest tournaments. No way all middle ranged tournament will be able to pull this off. | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:31 bopoznpvt wrote: Honestly, I say +1 to this. This is where esports needs to go to grow. Yeah, getting less people to watch Starcraft is totally the way to grow. | ||
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SonOfBoxer
Korea (South)62 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:30 jinixxx123 wrote: dude cut the bullshit, very high code S players are playing in this tournament. as i said in this thread, say the fee is to much or you are not paying , dont come here with such bullshit reasons. Evidently, you are one of those who has cash to burn. And don't be so mad at me because I actually value my money. Cry all you want, but the fact remains this is a low level tournament, and that they want to charge "just 20 bucks for 20 hours of streaming" whereas I can pay 20 bucks for 2 months of the best streaming in the world. So, yeah, keep the rage coming baby cake. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:29 RudePlague wrote: We're living in a world where people don't think that they should have to pay for anything (TVs/Movies/Music/Games w/e). While the big studios/stars are able to survive despite this attitude it's much harder for independent artists/developers etc across all mediums of entertainment. It's not realistic to expect constant free entertainment, especially in a small, growing area like eSports where there aren't billion dollar companies to pay for things and hope they can make a profit and where there isn't a tradition of people paying for the content because it's a new area. At some point eSports events have to reliably generate an income for the organisations that run them, which at the moment doesn't happen. It's not clear that sponsors/advertisers get enough out of events to entirely fund the companies putting them on, meaning PPV may be a necessity if we are to have long term leagues with international participants in the future. Obviously we are currently spoiled with a huge amount of free content, a lot of which isn't sustainable/generating money. This makes the prospect of paying for this content seem pretty painful right now but unless a lot of people in the community are willing to do this now/in the future there might not be that much content around for long. It don't think this is a huge sum of money, especially if you invite a few friends round and split it. It's the cost of a few drinks, the odd movie or w/e. I think a lot of it is down to people's priorities, I remember talking to a tour guide who did "free tours" and lived off tips only. He said how he regularly had people tell him they couldn't afford to give him anything/enough to cover what he paid his employer because of various reasons but then would head straight into a near by bar to buy over priced drinks which were more than he would ask for as a tip. Of course I would rather everything was free, but that's not how the world works. I don't think everyone should/can pay for every/any pay-per view event either but I don't think that it is good for the community to completely dismiss this as a model that will secure the future of the industry into the future. Props to MLG for trying this out, and I hope that it works out for them. While i agree we cant expect it for free why cant they just charge say $5 for a live HQ broadcast of the tournament with no vods or add ons im pretty sure 70-80% of people would then watch and then they can still offer the $20 pass for vods and all the behind the scenes stuff that i think most people dont give a shit about but which is costing MLG a fair bit of cash. | ||
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