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Well, I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyhow: personally, I can't find sense in paying for any tournament that isn't the GSL. Some people like to say "if you don't support them, you're killing e-sports!", but Chill himself had the perfect answer for those guys: "If you show your support by paying, you'll create a bubble" (something like that).
You see, the GSL is the best tournament in the world not because of some specific format or something like that, but because it has the best players in the world. Like one of our favorite TL Writers once wrote: "There's no such thing as hidden gosus anymore", and he is right. Nowadays, if you're good, everybody knows about you. So, why should I spend a relatively high amount of cash to see a minor tournament? Or worse: a pre-tournament?
GOM charges 20 bucks for 2 straight months of pure awesomeness, whereas foreign companies want to charge almost (or more than) that for a weekend worth of low-level games (when compared to the GSL). So, really, it makes no sense paying to watch anything but the GSL so far, unless you have cash to burn.
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On February 14 2012 09:24 jmbthirteen wrote:
To everyone talking about how GSL is cheaper, how is that korean sc2 scene? They are really thriving over there aren't they? I mean, those players are making a ton of money. And GOM is just rich as hell. I heard that Mr. Chae wipes his ass with $100 bills.
Oh wait, you mean the korean scene is incredibly small, players don't get salaries, teams need more sponsorship and are making deals with foreign teams to get money? And they can only play in tournaments outside of GSL if their trip gets paid for?
So GOMs format isn't really growing the scene much is it?
What's your point? You get more games with better players for less money.. and you are supporting the korean SC2 scene which apparently needs it badly.
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Conspiracy time! GOM and MLG have, for the most part, a fruitful business relationship right?
GOMtv announces pricing for GSL 2012 -> "WTF $15 and it doesn't even include GSTL??"
Sundance announces pricing for Winter Arena -> "OMG GSL such a good deal wtb <3"
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On February 14 2012 09:27 eme wrote:
Also, when comparing to Homestory Cup, who sold their premium stream a lot cheaper, AND had a free stream to support the HD streams, didnt they make a profit out of it? HSC is very comparable to the winter arena, since the tournament set up (not necessarily the format itself) is similiar.
I don't think they made money out of it. They had like 1k viewers on the premium stream.
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On February 14 2012 09:27 eme wrote:
Also, when comparing to Homestory Cup, who sold their premium stream a lot cheaper, AND had a free stream to support the HD streams, didnt they make a profit out of it? HSC is very comparable to the winter arena, since the tournament set up (not necessarily the format itself) is similiar.
5 euros compared to $20 do the math, its 3x as expensive as HSC premium
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This is what happens when they pay the flights and hotels of those attending. Result is we need to stump up a lot of cash to see the program. I will not be paying anything and will watch assembly instead, teams should be paying flight costs etc not tournaments.
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What I can't understand is the pricing policy. With putting competing prices within your own portfolio you are basically hurting yourself. I already own a comparatively costly gold membership, and am now asked to spend even more on an additional product. The answer would be "well it's either one or the other". There is already an industry standard of providing full packages at a premium cost with additional lower priced content. What MLG did was to pit their own products against each other.
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how has the cost increased from last year that they gotta charge $20?
don't expand unless you got the drones MLG
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this is totally non sense i'll explain:
SC BW Proleague is totally free to watch, lasts months, and has huge organization behind it, the sponsors cover everything for the entire season.
MLG is 3 day event, probably costs less than PL does so why on earth one should pay 20 for it? And it also has sponsors feeding money, also, they did cut a lot of shows and staff to contain the costs of the MLG as a whole..and now you also ask for additional money from the viewers? without even a free stream? nah i don't think so, this is totally a bad marketing choice. i really think very few people will pay to see this tournament.
Also, GSL is free to watch in LQ, lasts more and again has the best competition, so MLG really is already less valuable in all terms..
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On February 14 2012 09:17 Hrrrrm wrote:
MLG is about to test the loyalty of the average SC2 viewer and I believe they'll be surprised when they find out that if it was never free, people really wouldn't of given a shit to watch in the first place.
You don't "test the loyalty of the average viewer" when it is just the beginning of the whole e-sport thing.
I mean, i know how old is the esport, not saying it started with sc2. But you have to admit that it's really growing NOW. This is very risky.
However, content providers like mlg should adapt to their customers. And their customers are mostly 15-30y olds, most of us are students, jobless or starting to work, with credits to pay. We can't all throw 20$ like this, even if i'd like to see esport grow.
I pay 3€ a day for my food, except week end where i am at my parent's house. and that's because they give me some stuff every week. so i pay like 60€ a month in food, and i have 100€ a month. I, and i am not the only one, can't afford 20$ for a week end. If i do so, then i'll not be able to go out with my friends or spend time with my girlfriend.
So yeah, i'm watching sc2 streams because i like it and because it's free. Sometimes i pay 5$ for some stuff, because i want to help. But 20$ for an event? fuck no. I can't even afford gsl which is way better.
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Way to monetize the grassroots movement. If IPL and Dreamhack stays free they will crush MLG in 2012. $20 is simply too much money for one event.
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On February 14 2012 09:28 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:27 eme wrote:
Also, when comparing to Homestory Cup, who sold their premium stream a lot cheaper, AND had a free stream to support the HD streams, didnt they make a profit out of it? HSC is very comparable to the winter arena, since the tournament set up (not necessarily the format itself) is similiar. I don't think they made money out of it. They had like 1k viewers on the premium stream.
They had 3.2k on the premium stream at the points i was watching.
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Watching MLG was already quite the challenge because of the time difference to Europe but now there's no chance I'll watch it because I can't afford 20 dollars for a couple of days of starcraft. I'm a poor student and I have to eat.
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On February 14 2012 09:28 red4ce wrote:
Conspiracy time! GOM and MLG have, for the most part, a fruitful business relationship right?
GOMtv announces pricing for GSL 2012 -> "WTF $15 and it doesn't even include GSL??"
Sundance announces pricing for Winter Arena -> "OMG GSL such a good deal wtb <3"
i'd be kind of annoyed if i paid $15 for GSL and it doesn't include GSL 
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to bad i cant afford great service but im 15 and dont own money so looks like its either play sc2, watch assembly, basketball, or get the bitches and hoes
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We're living in a world where people don't think that they should have to pay for anything (TVs/Movies/Music/Games w/e).
While the big studios/stars are able to survive despite this attitude it's much harder for independent artists/developers etc across all mediums of entertainment.
It's not realistic to expect constant free entertainment, especially in a small, growing area like eSports where there aren't billion dollar companies to pay for things and hope they can make a profit and where there isn't a tradition of people paying for the content because it's a new area.
At some point eSports events have to reliably generate an income for the organisations that run them, which at the moment doesn't happen. It's not clear that sponsors/advertisers get enough out of events to entirely fund the companies putting them on, meaning PPV may be a necessity if we are to have long term leagues with international participants in the future.
Obviously we are currently spoiled with a huge amount of free content, a lot of which isn't sustainable/generating money. This makes the prospect of paying for this content seem pretty painful right now but unless a lot of people in the community are willing to do this now/in the future there might not be that much content around for long.
It don't think this is a huge sum of money, especially if you invite a few friends round and split it. It's the cost of a few drinks, the odd movie or w/e. I think a lot of it is down to people's priorities, I remember talking to a tour guide who did "free tours" and lived off tips only. He said how he regularly had people tell him they couldn't afford to give him anything/enough to cover what he paid his employer because of various reasons but then would head straight into a near by bar to buy over priced drinks which were more than he would ask for as a tip.
Of course I would rather everything was free, but that's not how the world works. I don't think everyone should/can pay for every/any pay-per view event either but I don't think that it is good for the community to completely dismiss this as a model that will secure the future of the industry into the future.
Props to MLG for trying this out, and I hope that it works out for them.
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Too bad, I was looking forward to this.
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Well if MLG becomes PPV i'm never going to watch it again haha.
European tournaments are the bests anyway now, free HD + several streams + great players, MLG is just going to lose most of it's eu viewers but oh well if they earn more money that way I guess it's fine for them.
I'm not gonna support this at all on the other hand as I believe there should be other ways to earn money than treat viewers as cashcows like Blizzard does.
Props to IPL, Dreamhack, Asus ROG and all the EU tournaments that stay free HD and I hope they'll be more successful than MLG.
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On February 14 2012 09:27 SonOfBoxer wrote:
Well, I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyhow: personally, I can't find sense in paying for any tournament that isn't the GSL. Some people like to say "if you don't support them, you're killing e-sports!", but Chill himself had the perfect answer for those guys: "If you show your support by paying, you'll create a bubble" (something like that).
You see, the GSL is the best tournament in the world not because of some specific format or something like that, but because it has the best players in the world. Like one of our favorite TL Writers once wrote: "There's no such thing as hidden gosus anymore", and he is right. Nowadays, if you're good, everybody knows about you. So, why should I spend a relatively high amount of cash to see a minor tournament? Or worse: a pre-tournament?
GOM charges 20 bucks for 2 straight months of pure awesomeness, whereas foreign companies want to charge almost (or more than) that for a weekend worth of low-level games (when compared to the GSL). So, really, it makes no sense paying to watch anything but the GSL so far, unless you have cash to burn.
dude cut the bullshit, very high code S players are playing in this tournament, this isnt some minor tournament with minor players participating, Qualifiers were held and the best of the best got threw ( for instance Slayers MMA did not qualify because fxolucky knocked him out)
as i said in this thread b4, say the fee is to much or you are simply not paying , dont come here with such bullshit reasons.
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