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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
WilDMousE
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile1335 Posts
February 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#801
I WILL support e-sports, that desn't mean I'll support MLG new "payment method"...
Barackopala
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#802
On February 14 2012 09:17 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 09:12 Terranist wrote:
On February 14 2012 09:08 Flamingo777 wrote:
No wonder they had to lay off/fire so many employees, I suppose they had to brace for the massive financial arrow they are about to take to the knee for this. MLG has been a profitable company without having Starcraft on board, and now it just seems that they are taking advantage of the cash cow which is Starcraft being in their game lineup.


i don't think MLG was ever profitable. SC2 will always be a niche no matter what we keep telling ourselves, and the cost of broadcasting worldwide, renting and staffing venues, flying players to events should dwarf the income they made off of SC2.


I like this post.

John Clark @csn_johnclark
@MLGSundance Its possible that your statement about your investment will fall on deaf ears. Most do not have a clue of the costs to orgs..

James Lampkin @Kennigit
To give a better picture of online ad serving, The NFL was selling their online stream ads (3.1 mill viewers) for mid six figures.

Sundance DiGiovanni @MLGSundance
Again. You're awesome as a community but there aren't enough of you for advertising to be enough. That's the truth.

Just a few tidbits from Twitter.



Concerning Sundance's tweet, in my opinion if that is true then mlg won't be putting on sc2 tournaments much longer, Plexa said earlier in the thread that there may be an over saturation of tournaments and if MLG bites it then that's just how it will be. Not like we don't have other tournaments to follow.
CryMore
Profile Joined March 2010
United States497 Posts
February 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#803
Well I can watch it for free at the barcraft event...soo....w.e.
"What wins? 3-base Protoss or 2-base Zerg?" "1-base Terran"
LeFroMaGe
Profile Joined October 2010
United States628 Posts
February 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#804
On February 14 2012 09:18 Scottyrica wrote:
and the thing that's awful is even with probably 60% of the people not doing it, they'll still make more money than usual and continue to do it.

It's not awful, it's Supply and Demand. They are taking all the good storylines/Amazing players, and the people with the money to watch it will, at a fair price.
Dalnor
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia68 Posts
February 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#805
I myself am not going to buy this.

Not because I think $20 is too much money, but because I hope PPV is not the future of 'esports'.

I hope that the future of esports is more of a mix or free and premium content.

Instead of making this event PPV, I'd suggest making this event AND the online qualifiers a mix of free and premium content. (ie During the qualifiers making the HD paid)

Also I think PPV gives nothing the to growth of esports.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 00:22:57
February 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#806
On February 14 2012 09:20 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 09:19 chestnutcc wrote:
Whats the issue with ad supported revenue?

There aren't enough viewers to make it profitable.

240 thousand isnt enough viewers?
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#807
I don't have anything against PPV, but I feel like GSL + teamleague is better value and is practically every single day.
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chestnutcc
Profile Joined July 2011
India429 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#808
On February 14 2012 09:20 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 09:19 chestnutcc wrote:
Whats the issue with ad supported revenue?

There aren't enough viewers to make it profitable.


Hmmm, true, I tuned into a LoL stream by mistake once and was shocked at the 200k people there.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#809
cant wait
Professional tech investor, part time DotA scrub | Follow @AllMeasures on Twitter
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#810
The big winners of today are Bar crafts, and Assembly congrats
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#811
I feel like if you are like me and don't have great bandwidth (the best quality i can handle is 360p and if the stream is not great it has to be 240p) the value just isn't there. If you can receive streams in HD then I have to say that this is worth it. However I feel that MLG should have announced this from the start something about announcing it after you have had your qualifiers streamed for free seems sort of dirty.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#812
I don't ever see myself paying 20$ for a two day event. Typically, I watch it on the background. However, with friends coming over and watching it or something, I can see that happening. Maybe MLG doing this may encourage friends to watch it together rather than watching at a computer by yourself.
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#813
There goes the illusion of the supposed starcraft 2 esports scene. Once companies start to monetize, viewers will run away--largely because of the spoiled audience that is too used to free content. No corporations have made significant profits on esports, and seeing this trend, none will.
GuMiho <3
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#814
If Blizzard wasn't so cheap and taking 50% of the streaming income then the price would be 10$ according to my calculations...
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Pingu242
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada18 Posts
February 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#815
Damn. And I was looking forward to watching this tourney. Ah wells at least their live events are still free.
BoxedLunch
Profile Joined January 2011
United States387 Posts
February 14 2012 00:24 GMT
#816
I support esports, but i do not support bad business decisions by MLG.

forcing people to pay for something that once was free is retarded, plain and simple.

this move will hurt MLGs bottom line and they will regret ever doing it
In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they are not
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
February 14 2012 00:24 GMT
#817
On February 14 2012 08:46 MHT wrote:
Don't care if Flash was in this tournament, not paying $20 to watch anything. Assembly will do just fine for me.


Woah, let's not go crazy here
Atlare
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia893 Posts
February 14 2012 00:24 GMT
#818
On February 14 2012 09:22 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 09:17 Klonere wrote:
On February 14 2012 09:12 Terranist wrote:
On February 14 2012 09:08 Flamingo777 wrote:
No wonder they had to lay off/fire so many employees, I suppose they had to brace for the massive financial arrow they are about to take to the knee for this. MLG has been a profitable company without having Starcraft on board, and now it just seems that they are taking advantage of the cash cow which is Starcraft being in their game lineup.


i don't think MLG was ever profitable. SC2 will always be a niche no matter what we keep telling ourselves, and the cost of broadcasting worldwide, renting and staffing venues, flying players to events should dwarf the income they made off of SC2.


I like this post.

John Clark @csn_johnclark
@MLGSundance Its possible that your statement about your investment will fall on deaf ears. Most do not have a clue of the costs to orgs..

James Lampkin @Kennigit
To give a better picture of online ad serving, The NFL was selling their online stream ads (3.1 mill viewers) for mid six figures.

Sundance DiGiovanni @MLGSundance
Again. You're awesome as a community but there aren't enough of you for advertising to be enough. That's the truth.

Just a few tidbits from Twitter.



Concerning Sundance's tweet, in my opinion if that is true then mlg won't be putting on sc2 tournaments much longer, Plexa said earlier in the thread that there may be an over saturation of tournaments and if MLG bites it then that's just how it will be. Not like we don't have other tournaments to follow.

Doubtful, MLG have made it pretty clear just how much of a boost starcraft gave to MLG, even if he says there isnt enough for us to make it proftiable ad wise, I imagine its sure as shit better than what it was before, much like blizzcon last year inc omparison to years before.
Considering learning BW
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 14 2012 00:24 GMT
#819
To everyone talking about how GSL is cheaper, how is that korean sc2 scene? They are really thriving over there aren't they? I mean, those players are making a ton of money. And GOM is just rich as hell. I heard that Mr. Chae wipes his ass with $100 bills.

Oh wait, you mean the korean scene is incredibly small, players don't get salaries, teams need more sponsorship and are making deals with foreign teams to get money? And they can only play in tournaments outside of GSL if their trip gets paid for?

So GOMs format isn't really growing the scene much is it?
www.superbeerbrothers.com
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
February 14 2012 00:24 GMT
#820
On February 14 2012 09:22 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 09:20 babylon wrote:
On February 14 2012 09:19 chestnutcc wrote:
Whats the issue with ad supported revenue?

There aren't enough viewers to make it profitable.

240 thousand isnt enough viewers?

Definitely not enough to be self-sustainable. They're not making money. At worst they're losing it.
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