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On February 14 2012 09:11 Fionn wrote:
Winter Arena does have Parting and San, but it's not the actual Winter Championship. If this was, you know, the actual tournament and not just the tournament before the tournament to decide seeding, I might be willing, but it's not. Yes, money is involved, but I can already see games that don't matter that players don't give it their all, etc. People crap over GSL for wanting $15 for their most prestigious tournament that runs for two and a half months that is on three days a week for four hours plus a night.
I'll just watch Assembly since it has my favorite player and it's on at the same time. Also one of the best things I love about foreign tournaments is the audience. Winter Arena will have zero audience.
This, I agree with basically all of it. Not sure if I'll bother to go to a Barcraft for this MLG Arena now, even though it'll still be free really.
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On February 14 2012 09:14 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:13 aderum wrote:On February 14 2012 09:11 turamn wrote:On February 14 2012 09:10 aderum wrote:
I like how people think that 20$ is nothing -_-
"But hey you spend more on beer one night!!" Yeah I do, but i would rather spend it on drinking out with by best friends then on an event like this. I would watch the shit out of it if it was free but i cant really spend 20$ if i dont want to skip out on other things in life.. 20 dollars is nothing -- unless you're a student or something like that, there's no reason anyone should conceive 20 dollars as a large sum of money well whata you know, i am infact a student. And im pretty sure most of MLG audience is. I'd be curious to know what percent of the people in this thread bitching about 20 dollars being too much are actually students.
The primary demographic of starcraft 2 is 16-25 year olds, presumably with a tech savvy background, now think about how likely those people are to be in Uni or school.
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On February 14 2012 09:14 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:13 aderum wrote:On February 14 2012 09:11 turamn wrote:On February 14 2012 09:10 aderum wrote:
I like how people think that 20$ is nothing -_-
"But hey you spend more on beer one night!!" Yeah I do, but i would rather spend it on drinking out with by best friends then on an event like this. I would watch the shit out of it if it was free but i cant really spend 20$ if i dont want to skip out on other things in life.. 20 dollars is nothing -- unless you're a student or something like that, there's no reason anyone should conceive 20 dollars as a large sum of money well whata you know, i am infact a student. And im pretty sure most of MLG audience is. I'd be curious to know what percent of the people in this thread bitching about 20 dollars being too much are actually students.
Since the only people I know that play SC2 are either in High school or college, with a small amount in the mid 20s, probably most.
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On February 14 2012 09:02 Pokemonxoxo wrote:
I don't know why, but I really don't like this PPV model that MLG is going after. I can understand that they need to accommodate for the travel fees and everything else, but I rather have tournament remain the way it was. There is practically no need to pay for all 32 players to come to the tournament. I think that it would have been much better if MLG only provided like top 3 from each region instead. Afterall, many of the players would be knocked out of first round and etc.
Exactly. IF (a big IF) the reason it is so high because of the expenses and among other things...why the eff didnt they just scale that shit back when they were planning the season and not pay every single player`s travel expenses. I don`t care about paying the expenses of some NA player who qualified as the 5-8th seed (i know that is harsh).
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On February 14 2012 09:13 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 14 2012 08:59 stormchaser wrote:
There are multiple reasons why I won't pay but one of them being I feel like those that invested into a gold membership are totally getting ripped off. Kinda feel bad for those that supported the company by paying 40 bucks but cannot even get this first event available to them, where's the logic behind that? Sounds like a bad business plan that hurts alot of the current viewership and popularity making it alot less enjoyable for those watching it.
MLG is a big business with many sponsorships, multiple games available to them to make tournament money off of, and have merchandise, silver/gold memberships, and other respectable assets that generate them cash. My point being if you're gonna pay the 20 bucks to, ''support esports'', you aren't actually doing so. In fact, MLG is being quite ridiculous to not atleast bump the prize pool alittle more. I don't care if they pay 100k for the players travel costs, that's nothing compared to the amount of money they collect from just one championship event. So you think MLG is just rolling in money? Are you kidding me? You know it costs money to run events. Prize pool is only a small amount compared to the operating costs. Yes they do http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-secures-10-million-in-series-a-financing-from-ritchie-capital-to-build-worlds-first-professional-video-game-leagueYou're clearly an idiot. They wouldn't be in this business if they weren't making a buttload of cash on it. I love how people look at MLG as if it's an nasl or an ipl. This is not an upstart.
I can hardly imagine them making a "buttload" at this point in time. This is all investment into the future.
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Don't have a problem with PPV, but $20 when I live in a different time zone is way too much.
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Why are people trying to compare 3 day MLG to a 2 hour movie, should compare it to a GSL if anything in which case GSL is just way better in every way. I wont pay a dime and will watch Assembly instead.
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On February 14 2012 09:13 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 14 2012 08:59 stormchaser wrote:
There are multiple reasons why I won't pay but one of them being I feel like those that invested into a gold membership are totally getting ripped off. Kinda feel bad for those that supported the company by paying 40 bucks but cannot even get this first event available to them, where's the logic behind that? Sounds like a bad business plan that hurts alot of the current viewership and popularity making it alot less enjoyable for those watching it.
MLG is a big business with many sponsorships, multiple games available to them to make tournament money off of, and have merchandise, silver/gold memberships, and other respectable assets that generate them cash. My point being if you're gonna pay the 20 bucks to, ''support esports'', you aren't actually doing so. In fact, MLG is being quite ridiculous to not atleast bump the prize pool alittle more. I don't care if they pay 100k for the players travel costs, that's nothing compared to the amount of money they collect from just one championship event. So you think MLG is just rolling in money? Are you kidding me? You know it costs money to run events. Prize pool is only a small amount compared to the operating costs. Yes they do http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-secures-10-million-in-series-a-financing-from-ritchie-capital-to-build-worlds-first-professional-video-game-leagueYou're clearly an idiot. They wouldn't be in this business if they weren't making a buttload of cash on it. I love how people look at MLG as if it's an nasl or an ipl. This is not an upstart.
And IPL, owned by Newscorp is an upstart? Rupert Murdoch, every heard of the guy? Jesus man. The sc2 community thinks the World runs on hopes and dreams, people need to start LISTENING to FXOBoss. Seriously. Securing venture capital doesn't neccesarily mean they made any money at all. They could have had a clear idea of where they wanted to be in a few years and the numbers didn't work out, which is why they are trying this.
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not gonna pay for it especially with assembly at the same weekend and free hd stream go assembly
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On February 14 2012 09:07 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:05 Hrrrrm wrote:On February 14 2012 08:57 Khenra wrote:
But if all the talent is going to be at MLG Winter Arena, who's going to be playing at Assembly?
A bunch of middle-of-the-road Koreans and some unimpressive Europeans/Americans? That will provide comparable games to the ones going on at MLG Arena. With an AUDIENCE and FREE STREAM and HD. The talent on paper might be better on MLG Winter Arena but if you mixed replays with no names from both events the majority of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The difference in level is not there yet, especially not a $20 difference. What I'm curious about is knowing if the players were informed of this PPV possibility before they decided on showing up to Assembly or MLG Arena? Would be interesting to find out. Except they aren't mixing replays with no names. MLG has Nestea, MVP, MKP, Idra and Huk. They are probably the most popular players in the world. The difference in level may not be there, but the difference in popularity certainly is.
That's all well and good. And if someone can't help themselves with waiting a week to watch the VoD's for free while an awesome free tournament is going on at the same time, then by all means pay the money. My only point is that if enough people pay for this be prepared for more paywalled events and prices to go up. How much is the average SC2 spectator about to invest to just watch SC2 until they just say fuck it and go watch/do one of the other of hundreds of options they can for free.
MLG is about to test the loyalty of the average SC2 viewer and I believe they'll be surprised when they find out that if it was never free, people really wouldn't of given a shit to watch in the first place.
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On February 14 2012 09:12 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:08 Flamingo777 wrote:
No wonder they had to lay off/fire so many employees, I suppose they had to brace for the massive financial arrow they are about to take to the knee for this. MLG has been a profitable company without having Starcraft on board, and now it just seems that they are taking advantage of the cash cow which is Starcraft being in their game lineup. i don't think MLG was ever profitable. SC2 will always be a niche no matter what we keep telling ourselves, and the cost of broadcasting worldwide, renting and staffing venues, flying players to events should dwarf the income they made off of SC2.
I like this post.
John Clark @csn_johnclark
@MLGSundance Its possible that your statement about your investment will fall on deaf ears. Most do not have a clue of the costs to orgs..
James Lampkin @Kennigit
To give a better picture of online ad serving, The NFL was selling their online stream ads (3.1 mill viewers) for mid six figures.
Sundance DiGiovanni @MLGSundance
Again. You're awesome as a community but there aren't enough of you for advertising to be enough. That's the truth.
Just a few tidbits from Twitter.
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For the price of watching 2 MLG's you can buy another SC2 account and ladder as your off race..... forever!
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Pretty much a bad timing for making it PPV with assembly at the same time. Y U no do better marketing!
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Don't forget the referral program guys!
If for example day9 gets a share of it people will happily pay the 20$, pretty "smart" from MLG.
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On February 14 2012 09:13 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 14 2012 08:59 stormchaser wrote:
There are multiple reasons why I won't pay but one of them being I feel like those that invested into a gold membership are totally getting ripped off. Kinda feel bad for those that supported the company by paying 40 bucks but cannot even get this first event available to them, where's the logic behind that? Sounds like a bad business plan that hurts alot of the current viewership and popularity making it alot less enjoyable for those watching it.
MLG is a big business with many sponsorships, multiple games available to them to make tournament money off of, and have merchandise, silver/gold memberships, and other respectable assets that generate them cash. My point being if you're gonna pay the 20 bucks to, ''support esports'', you aren't actually doing so. In fact, MLG is being quite ridiculous to not atleast bump the prize pool alittle more. I don't care if they pay 100k for the players travel costs, that's nothing compared to the amount of money they collect from just one championship event. So you think MLG is just rolling in money? Are you kidding me? You know it costs money to run events. Prize pool is only a small amount compared to the operating costs. Yes they do http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-secures-10-million-in-series-a-financing-from-ritchie-capital-to-build-worlds-first-professional-video-game-leagueYou're clearly an idiot. They wouldn't be in this business if they weren't making a buttload of cash on it. I love how people look at MLG as if it's an nasl or an ipl. This is not an upstart.
You're the idiot here. Venture Capital is not income. You don't make a profit from venture capital.
Plus, the only upstart here is the NASL. IPL has Newscorp and IGN backing it.
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PPV only works in a monopoly. Pretty sure the live stream will hardly have viewers. Why should i pay for something that other streams/tournaments offer for free? Yes they fly everyone to NYC and they have a huge prizepool, but that is not increasing my viewer experience. So why should i pay for these details?
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Honestly I would have paid for this if they had announced it upfront that it would be pay per view. Giving us the dates, invites, prize pool, etc. and then telling us we'll have to pay is a horrible strategy. Surprised Sundance didn't think this through.
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Looks like I'll be watching Assembly. $20 for one tournament is a little steep.
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MLG, and Esports in general, is worth the money imo. I would be willing to pay personally  Can't grow the scene without additional revenue coming in right?
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I'm interested to see how successful this is (the viewer numbers should be explicit, as every viewer will have paid the full $20).
It's not for me though. The only tournament I've ever paid money to was ESL because I love watching their CS tournaments (even though I watch through hltv most of the time).
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