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On February 14 2012 09:08 Flamingo777 wrote:
No wonder they had to lay off/fire so many employees, I suppose they had to brace for the massive financial arrow they are about to take to the knee for this. MLG has been a profitable company without having Starcraft on board, and now it just seems that they are taking advantage of the cash cow which is Starcraft being in their game lineup.
Exactly, why now that they have a bigger fan base and more passionate audience do they suddenly need to charge up front for their content?
More views, more passion..... should translate into more ad dollars.
"Because you like it more, we're going to charge now" - MLG
How is that different than jacking up the price of Whitney Houston music on iTunes the day after she dies?
Its MLG's right to do this, no doubt.... but its our right to be pissed about it and to no longer favor MLG as the "IT" event.
Fairs fair.
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On February 14 2012 09:08 Flamingo777 wrote:
No wonder they had to lay off/fire so many employees, I suppose they had to brace for the massive financial arrow they are about to take to the knee for this. MLG has been a profitable company without having Starcraft on board, and now it just seems that they are taking advantage of the cash cow which is Starcraft being in their game lineup.
i don't think MLG was ever profitable. SC2 will always be a niche no matter what we keep telling ourselves, and the cost of broadcasting worldwide, renting and staffing venues, flying players to events should dwarf the income they made off of SC2.
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It's just too much money, plus I don't like my current MLG membership becoming all but useless. Yeah, I'll get HD of the live championship, but I thought I paid for all events.
I don't understand why they started at $20. I'm not sure if it's for sale right now, but I'd hold off on purchasing, in case they lower the price. The demo sounds nice, but will it persuade many to purchase?
On the other hand, I'll be happy if they're successful, but I probably won't be a part of it unless I start making a lot more money.
Anyways, GSL has had the best quality of games and production so far, and when I come up with the money for anything, GSL will get it first (both leagues). MLG has a lot of convincing to do.
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On February 14 2012 09:08 isleyofthenorth wrote:
I think they are making a big mistake. If others follow this path esports is dead for me(and for many others probably too)
the move in itself isn't that bad. the problem is they're basically screwing over their most loyal customers. at least as a gesture of good faith, they could have offered this first tournament to gold members for free. they didn't.
they screwed over their silver members.
forget the 20 bucks, i'm now not watching mlg out of pure spite.
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i would pay for a season pass for all events ... but cant see my self paying for 1. can't say i am happy.
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This is eminently reasonable. I don't really have the funds or the time to make buying this worthwhile at the moment, but I encourage people who do to go for it; it can only help ESPORTS.
But, yeah, testing this system on the same weekend as Assembly is going to skew the results a bit, I think.
In other news, whining is bad.
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On February 14 2012 09:11 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:10 aderum wrote:
I like how people think that 20$ is nothing -_-
"But hey you spend more on beer one night!!" Yeah I do, but i would rather spend it on drinking out with by best friends then on an event like this. I would watch the shit out of it if it was free but i cant really spend 20$ if i dont want to skip out on other things in life.. 20 dollars is nothing -- unless you're a student or something like that, there's no reason anyone should conceive 20 dollars as a large sum of money
well whata you know, i am infact a student. And im pretty sure most of MLG audience is.
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Understandable move, hope it works out for them.
But with Assembly on the same weekend, I will just let this one pass. And even in the future, 20$ for one event is kind of too much. I pay 30€ for a whole year of ESL.TV premium, I am not willing to spend more than 10bucks for just one weekend.
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I cant believe the sponsors of the event agree with this. Simply bad business. Doesnt take 200 IQ to figure out that they would make more money if they charged 5$. And its not like they have had the best production value ever.
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On February 14 2012 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:59 stormchaser wrote:
There are multiple reasons why I won't pay but one of them being I feel like those that invested into a gold membership are totally getting ripped off. Kinda feel bad for those that supported the company by paying 40 bucks but cannot even get this first event available to them, where's the logic behind that? Sounds like a bad business plan that hurts alot of the current viewership and popularity making it alot less enjoyable for those watching it.
MLG is a big business with many sponsorships, multiple games available to them to make tournament money off of, and have merchandise, silver/gold memberships, and other respectable assets that generate them cash. My point being if you're gonna pay the 20 bucks to, ''support esports'', you aren't actually doing so. In fact, MLG is being quite ridiculous to not atleast bump the prize pool alittle more. I don't care if they pay 100k for the players travel costs, that's nothing compared to the amount of money they collect from just one championship event. So you think MLG is just rolling in money? Are you kidding me? You know it costs money to run events. Prize pool is only a small amount compared to the operating costs.
Yes they do
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-secures-10-million-in-series-a-financing-from-ritchie-capital-to-build-worlds-first-professional-video-game-league
You're clearly an idiot. They wouldn't be in this business if they weren't making a buttload of cash on it. I love how people look at MLG as if it's an nasl or an ipl. This is not an upstart.
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How can they let go of that many employees and still have to charge people for money to watch MLG. When it was free before when they had so many employees.
They broke record viewer numbers apparently last year because of SC2 right? So how can they pull this crap! They aren't getting my money i don't even have a credit card to pay online for stuff anyways and i have no paypal because i don't trust online banking. I just use pre-paid cards for most online payments.
Anyways this i feel is a huge mistake on their part and doesn't make sense considering how much viewers they gathered last year.
Is there not going to be any free stream at all? -.-
Yeah they have upped the Prize-pools but apparently they must have saved ton of money from releasing all those employees and the huge viewer count last year so i have no idea about their decision and this doesn't feel like a step in the right direction.
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20 to watch 1 tournament is expensive if you can buy the full game for 40$ and play forever on the battlenet.
You have to see things in perspective,
yes if you go out a night in a pub you spend way more then 20$ but this is not a night out in a pub,or even a day at the baseball field and it cant be compared with that either.
Stop blaming us for beeing spoiled, this has nothing to do with beeing spoiled
This has to do with this absolutley not working,
Maybe blizzard and mlg already gave up on starcraft, gave up on making it enourmously popular,
How they are expecting this to turn out, 50k people who watched last time all going to pay 20$?
They probably already know they will get only verry few subscribtions.
Annyway: if mlg gets this to work i am the first to aplaud them,
but if this is just turning 50k vieuwers into 1k vieuwers and then not even make an aditional 20k (since they will make less by selling adds) then i dont see how this helps sc and mlg in the long run
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On February 14 2012 09:11 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:10 aderum wrote:
I like how people think that 20$ is nothing -_-
"But hey you spend more on beer one night!!" Yeah I do, but i would rather spend it on drinking out with by best friends then on an event like this. I would watch the shit out of it if it was free but i cant really spend 20$ if i dont want to skip out on other things in life.. 20 dollars is nothing -- unless you're a student or something like that, there's no reason anyone should conceive 20 dollars as a large sum of money
Im pretty sure most of people are students here ... I am one.. and I think very well before spend 20$...
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On February 14 2012 09:06 Fuego wrote:
TL;DR - Quit whining about it being expensive - it isn't. We have just been spoilt. MLG has poured more money into the foreign SC2 scene than any other current company, I think it is only fair to support them. You can't blame them for attempting to make money.
I'd hardly say that MLG are pouring money into the scene, they're trying to become a profitable business by creating a product that we will buy. Who are you to tell people that this event, which is supposedly going to be the best thing ever (heard that before eh NASL?), is worth $20... I mean fuck I could just watch the whole thing a week later. This is by far the worst financial decision I think MLG has ever made, they are now completely ignoring scene growth and focusing on ROI. That said thats pretty much what SC2 has been about from the start, ESPORTS is stupid.
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I guess this is some kind of "Bonus" tournament just like GSL Arena Of Legends(even the name is similar :D), so I can see it being PPV. At the same time I see 2 huge problems.
1) It's in the same weekend as Assembly.
2)The cost. I mean, are you kidding me ? This is more expensive than GSL and the production will not be even close. I hope that there will be no 1hour downtime between matches, delays and stuff because this is PPV... It better be the best tournament ever made, or there will be a lot of unhappy (former) fans.
I will watch the free games and then will decide if I'm paying for this. Also it's night time for Europe, so don't expect many europeans to pay for tournament in that timezone, sleeping is always better than spending money 
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On February 14 2012 09:13 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:11 turamn wrote:On February 14 2012 09:10 aderum wrote:
I like how people think that 20$ is nothing -_-
"But hey you spend more on beer one night!!" Yeah I do, but i would rather spend it on drinking out with by best friends then on an event like this. I would watch the shit out of it if it was free but i cant really spend 20$ if i dont want to skip out on other things in life.. 20 dollars is nothing -- unless you're a student or something like that, there's no reason anyone should conceive 20 dollars as a large sum of money well whata you know, i am infact a student. And im pretty sure most of MLG audience is.
I'd be curious to know what percent of the people in this thread bitching about 20 dollars being too much are actually students.
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Its so funny how people compare apples to oranges. Even Sundance does it in the OP. He does it because if he would compare apples (eSports events with eSports events) with apples, MLG would not look well.
What matters is that if you compare those 20 dollars with 0! dollars that other events charge, its an increase of an infinity times. So its not worth it compared to other SC2 events! Even when you compare it with GSL premium, its still not worth it!
No thanks.
When you compare it to other PPV shows: ITS not worth it! 170 dollars for 1 season of NBA vs 3 days of Sc2, with so much "mediocre" players?
No thanks.
In germany you pay roughly 50 dollars for 1 month PPV soccer, which includes German National league, English Premier league, German Cup, FA Cup, Champions League, Euro League,....... compared to 20 dollars for a 3 days event?
No thanks.
Start comparing apples with apples please, and you will find out that THIS MLG price is just ridiculous.
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On February 14 2012 09:13 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 14 2012 08:59 stormchaser wrote:
There are multiple reasons why I won't pay but one of them being I feel like those that invested into a gold membership are totally getting ripped off. Kinda feel bad for those that supported the company by paying 40 bucks but cannot even get this first event available to them, where's the logic behind that? Sounds like a bad business plan that hurts alot of the current viewership and popularity making it alot less enjoyable for those watching it.
MLG is a big business with many sponsorships, multiple games available to them to make tournament money off of, and have merchandise, silver/gold memberships, and other respectable assets that generate them cash. My point being if you're gonna pay the 20 bucks to, ''support esports'', you aren't actually doing so. In fact, MLG is being quite ridiculous to not atleast bump the prize pool alittle more. I don't care if they pay 100k for the players travel costs, that's nothing compared to the amount of money they collect from just one championship event. So you think MLG is just rolling in money? Are you kidding me? You know it costs money to run events. Prize pool is only a small amount compared to the operating costs. Yes they do http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-secures-10-million-in-series-a-financing-from-ritchie-capital-to-build-worlds-first-professional-video-game-leagueYou're clearly an idiot. They wouldn't be in this business if they weren't making a buttload of cash on it. I love how people look at MLG as if it's an nasl or an ipl. This is not an upstart.
I'm not sure you understand what Series A financing means... or how that money should be used if you're trying to build a sustainable company.
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On February 14 2012 09:11 Fionn wrote:
Winter Arena does have Parting and San, but it's not the actual Winter Championship. If this was, you know, the actual tournament and not just the tournament before the tournament to decide seeding, I might be willing, but it's not. Yes, money is involved, but I can already see games that don't matter that players don't give it their all, etc. People crap over GSL for wanting $15 for their most prestigious tournament that runs for two and a half months that is on three days a week for four hours plus a night.
I'll just watch Assembly since it has my favorite player and it's on at the same time. Also one of the best things I love about foreign tournaments is the audience. Winter Arena will have zero audience.
People dont give crap performances in IEM event finals and I believe top2 qualify for there big event.
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