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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
Chvol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 00:06:13
February 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#701
There's so many tournaments that I really don't mind if I can't watch one of them.

They'll probably get about 10-20% of the viewers that they would get with a free tournament. Still, it might make them more money. I'm not sure how many viewers they need to get to make 20$ off ads.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
February 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#702
Whether or not it "is worth it" wont matter a lot, since I doubt quite few people from Europe are going to pay 20$, for something that airs from midnight till 6 am.
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Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
February 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#703
Also I wonder how much the casters is getting paid(and how much of these money that is going too them) Heard about Tastosis getting some ridiculous amount of money, and while they deserve alot, I would like the players also to be prioritized.
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
February 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#704
On February 14 2012 07:54 Dissonance23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 07:53 fcgog wrote:
what a bad idea to test it when Assembly's on the same weekend

I think it is actually the best time to test it, it'll show them if they'll be able to keep a good viewership with PPV while another major tournament is going on.


exactly my thoughts, will probably watch both somehow (different time zones might make it possible)
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odaxium
Profile Joined October 2010
United States356 Posts
February 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#705
I probably wouldn't have minded this if I didn't already have a Gold membership.....
Stacks
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway68 Posts
February 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#706
On February 14 2012 07:51 Asha` wrote:
Assembly it is =)


this

I ain't paying when you'll have drpepper commercials to rub salt in the wound


So true, if not for Drpepper and stupid shavingfoam ( get real... ) commercials, this is a great idea, but i guess those will continue to be there. On the other hand, go to a local Barcraft, or make one, and meet other people sharing your interest while watching MLG for free...now thats good for community
...
Fuego
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom166 Posts
February 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#707
Considering how much of an awesome community the Starcraft community is, you are seriously acting like spoilt brats right now. We have been spoilt by the free content available everywhere and the low prices offered as soon as we do have to pay. Think about it this way - how often do new brands of food/drink begin with super low entry level prices to make you try them and realise what they offer, then as soon as you realise you would like to keep getting the product the price has to rise to recoup the money lost.

For those of you moaning about $20 being a lot of money, it isn't. I am a University student with no source of income other than my student loan and I don't think that, considering what is on offer, $20 is overpriced. I happily spend upwards of £25 a night when I go out drinking, and I'm paying a total of over £15 a week for two sessions of Ice Hockey training (that shit is expensive here). If I were to not go out one night - which with the MLG Arena taking place on a friday night for me, I wouldn't go out - then right there I have saved more than the cost of the pass. You college students whining about not being able to afford $20 - take a look at how much you spend on beer and disposable products such as fast food and then tell yourself that you can justify that, but can't justify $20 on 20hrs of top quality Starcraft 2 action.

I remember having to pay MLG to access Halo VODs back in 2005/06 and I gladly did that because when you pay MLG, the come through with exactly what they offer. Unfortunately I am away for this weekend (Ice Hockey match road trip, oh yeeaahhh) so I won't be purchasing, but if the lineup and content is this good for the Spring Arena, I will be paying then. MLG pours so much money into making a great tournament into a great consumer product, I think it is the least we can do to support them in this.

TL;DR - Quit whining about it being expensive - it isn't. We have just been spoilt. MLG has poured more money into the foreign SC2 scene than any other current company, I think it is only fair to support them. You can't blame them for attempting to make money.
jtp118
Profile Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
February 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#708
i have no problem paying $20, but i can see how people might be annoyed ... they almost certainly could have made more money with a $10 price point (4x more people would pay $10)
Adtor
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada82 Posts
February 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#709
Why would I pay 20$ for 3 days to watch Code-B players while I can get a GSL pass for much higher quality play...
I know it's a business, but it should have started with a more reasonable price or season pass...
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
February 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#710
On February 14 2012 09:01 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:59 Smackzilla wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:57 Silidons wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:57 CuteZergling wrote:
They make a good point though, $20 is twice the cost of a movie, and you are getting 20 hours of entertainment, not 2.

millions of dollars are poured into movies, though.


Alot of movies are still crap. An MLG tournament is easily better than most movies. Heck, its better than most movies I've payed for.

this is all subjective


Fair enough, but its hard for me to imagine the sc2 fan who currently watches pro tournaments but thinks hollywood is providing higher quality entertainment. Sure, it might be better to the general public, but for someone who understands and enjoys competitive sc2? That kind of person has to be the exception.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#711
On February 14 2012 09:05 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:57 Khenra wrote:
But if all the talent is going to be at MLG Winter Arena, who's going to be playing at Assembly?

A bunch of middle-of-the-road Koreans and some unimpressive Europeans/Americans?


That will provide comparable games to the ones going on at MLG Arena. With an AUDIENCE and FREE STREAM and HD. The talent on paper might be better on MLG Winter Arena but if you mixed replays with no names from both events the majority of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The difference in level is not there yet, especially not a $20 difference.

What I'm curious about is knowing if the players were informed of this PPV possibility before they decided on showing up to Assembly or MLG Arena? Would be interesting to find out.

Except they aren't mixing replays with no names. MLG has Nestea, MVP, MKP, Idra and Huk. They are probably the most popular players in the world. The difference in level may not be there, but the difference in popularity certainly is.
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
February 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#712
On February 14 2012 09:05 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 09:03 theBizness wrote:
On February 14 2012 09:02 RogerChillingworth wrote:
MLG's business model is pretty awful. They should consider parnering with EG for an ambiguously bad duo.

Vieweres have to feel like they're getting a steal. Tons of free content and new, engaging stuff on stream to attract more viewers -->more/more prominent sponshorships. And on the weekend of Assembly of all things. Holy smokes.



I think the problem is that ad revenue alone is not enough to make MLG sustainable.


That would be fair if they survived alone on ad revenue last year...


They survived but they certainly weren't making any profit at all. Wayyy too much investment in things like new streaming tech, satellite trucks, more casters, Koreans etc etc.
Gurgl
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden308 Posts
February 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#713
Well I won't watch that but I'm watching less and less SC2 lately even the great free tournaments, interest is fading even with all the good Swedish players.

20$ does seem much for a short event, I do understand that they are exploring new ways to make money and respect that but it doesn't seem like the right time for it tbh. To put it in perspective, I can get sports channels and watch the English Premier League a month without commercials on TV for slightly more.

I don't understand why a tournament like MLG can't do extremely well on sponsorships alone, gaming gear and computers are big business, the vehicle of ESPORTS :p. Influencing SC2 fans choice of computers and gaming gear should be very lucrative for advertisers.
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
February 14 2012 00:08 GMT
#714
I think they are making a big mistake. If others follow this path esports is dead for me(and for many others probably too)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 14 2012 00:08 GMT
#715
Ok so I am confused right now, will there still be the ability to watch the tournament live even if you do not pay? At low quality, at least? Because I will not be able to pay. I'm 13 and my parents hate spending any money on videogames, much less for WATCHING a video game T_T
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
February 14 2012 00:08 GMT
#716
No wonder they had to lay off/fire so many employees, I suppose they had to brace for the massive financial arrow they are about to take to the knee for this. MLG has been a profitable company without having Starcraft on board, and now it just seems that they are taking advantage of the cash cow which is Starcraft being in their game lineup.
NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
February 14 2012 00:09 GMT
#717
On February 14 2012 09:07 Adtor wrote:
Why would I pay 20$ for 3 days to watch Code-B players while I can get a GSL pass for much higher quality play...
I know it's a business, but it should have started with a more reasonable price or season pass...

Code B? You must be trolling.
Arena was set up by bringing the best Koreans who fought through a bracket of the toughest competition to be in it.
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2872 Posts
February 14 2012 00:09 GMT
#718
On February 14 2012 09:03 theBizness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 09:02 RogerChillingworth wrote:
MLG's business model is pretty awful. They should consider parnering with EG for an ambiguously bad duo.

Vieweres have to feel like they're getting a steal. Tons of free content and new, engaging stuff on stream to attract more viewers -->more/more prominent sponshorships. And on the weekend of Assembly of all things. Holy smokes.



I think the problem is that ad revenue alone is not enough to make MLG sustainable.


ad revenue, live sponshorships, ticket sales...i think they're doing fine. Flying out all those koreans, all-expenses paid is also kind of a strange idea. I can see it for a handful of them, or making a deal where they do splitsies (the 500% hike in prize pool should make this attractive to korean teams). I think they're just trying to really milk this shit for all its worth. $5 would have been much smarter. Just bad business.

Sundance overdroned.
aka wilted_kale
TotoroHren
Profile Joined February 2012
Croatia31 Posts
February 14 2012 00:09 GMT
#719
Cant believe what they are doing, MLG was nothing before Starcraft 2....
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
February 14 2012 00:09 GMT
#720
I don't mind PPV but 20 bucks is a lot. At this time of year as a student who has a retail job I make about 80 bucks a paycheck since there's no money and no business in retail until spring comes around. I really want to watch this but I just can't justify that much. I pay a lot for GOM and GSL up front and I get a years worth of content, but 20 bucks for a weekend is a lot.

I also don't want people to compare this to something like UFC etc etc I don't pay for PPV for any one time event. I just don't I dont like UFC I dont pay to watch a single hockey game. I don't mind paying for MLG but 20 bucks is a lot. Especially when its so sudden.

I think the fact its so sudden is the worst part about it.
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