EPTSorry, MLG, I'm poor and can't afford anything but Internet and the clothes on my back. D:
MLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 35
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
Sorry, MLG, I'm poor and can't afford anything but Internet and the clothes on my back. D: | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: Why the hell was he banned for this? How could the results of a live event in the future ACTUALLY be leaked? Seriously? Never thought I would see MrCon banned over a joke. | ||
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andsaca
United States48 Posts
I would pay for it, but for one tournament, 20 USD is too much. | ||
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itsTheSituatioN
United States70 Posts
lowest prize pool of any top tournament AND charging viewers the most/content? its pretty disgusting how greedy sundance and members of the MLG corporation are. i understand that all you guys want to do is ride the sc2 popularity train and milk it for all its worth but this is a big f u to the players involved and every other respectable tournament. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
would think they can get more monney by making it free , have 50k vieuwers and just selling the adds Now they will get less then 1k vieuwers. 20$ for 1 online tournament is way and way to much Who is going to pay that, and who can actually afford to spend that much just to watch 1 tournament? Its not like there are no free alternatives to see top players play | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:51 Asha` wrote: Assembly it is =) this I ain't paying when you'll have drpepper commercials to rub salt in the wound | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:00 Detrimentally wrote: I paid $20 for an entire season of GSL that spans over several months. I cannot and will not pay $20 for one weekend. I'll catch the VoDs and enjoy Assembly live. I used to want MLG to beat out IPL because, well, I thought Sundance knew what he was doing. This just changed my mind. To be fair, MLG is packing A LOT more games in per day. | ||
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murtas
Portugal249 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:47 Hrrrrm wrote: Part of me feels that MLG is trying to recoup the cost of paying for all the players travels on the viewers dime. The majority of the players are on freaking teams, it's their teams responsibility to get them to events. Now that cost is being passed straight on through to the viewer. WTF. The beauty of this, is they are asking us to pay for an event with ZERO audience(which is what basically made MLG). Also denying Gold Members... talk about yet another bait and switch. I agree, basically, events have sponsors, teams have sponsors, they should be able to support the costs of the events for both sides. But what do sponsors want? They want viewers right? Is there any sense to limit sponsor exposition with PPV in esports? When is the said sponsors that support most of the scene? If the numbers fail? (well i mean, they will certainly fail, there wont be 100k+ viewers per MLG event at concurrent times with PPV, if there is 5% of that i guess it is a success.) Wont the sponsors complain that the return of their investment is not there by lack of audience numbers? Meanwhile, events were exactly FREE, since most of them charge for HD steams, and lets be real, only HD streams are under quality service, it means, for anyone that were ready for PPV were the ones already buying HD pass right? They are just shooting in the foot, is not with PPV that you grow a scene to mainstream.... because who will pay if not a super supportive fan already? how do you grow your business that way, when you steap away a major part of your future customers? In a business perspective, it doesn't really make sense AT THIS POINT in time, i didnt really read all the pages, but if it wasn't said yet: THIS IS HURTING ESPORTS :trollface: | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: Why the hell was he banned for this? How could the results of a live event in the future ACTUALLY be leaked? Seriously? He probably was banned for being retarded and not able to read/know what the fuck this topic is about. + maybe he had a bad history. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:03 Whatson wrote: The mods don't understand sarcasm. I've had the same experience lol. That's your mistake thinking that people can read your mind by your writing. | ||
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:00 Xcobidoo wrote: SeleCT, PuMa, Brat_OK, Kas, Polt, Elfi, JYP, HerO, MaNa, Titan, White-Ra, ReaL, Moon, Lucky, Stephano, TLO. Yeah, the worst players imaginable, amirite? I'm going to be watching the MLG Arena, however I'm tuning in just so I can watch SeleCT rofl stomp nerds. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:03 nam nam wrote: Probably because Dreamhack is not an esports event. It a big lan event with many different elements where esports is one only part of it as opposed to MLG and IEM that is all about esports. You can't compare them directly like that. Yeah I just looked into that, thanks for the heads up anyway. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:57 Khenra wrote: But if all the talent is going to be at MLG Winter Arena, who's going to be playing at Assembly? A bunch of middle-of-the-road Koreans and some unimpressive Europeans/Americans? That will provide comparable games to the ones going on at MLG Arena. With an AUDIENCE and FREE STREAM and HD. The talent on paper might be better on MLG Winter Arena but if you mixed replays with no names from both events the majority of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The difference in level is not there yet, especially not a $20 difference. What I'm curious about is knowing if the players were informed of this PPV possibility before they decided on showing up to Assembly or MLG Arena? Would be interesting to find out. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:59 stormchaser wrote: There are multiple reasons why I won't pay but one of them being I feel like those that invested into a gold membership are totally getting ripped off. Kinda feel bad for those that supported the company by paying 40 bucks but cannot even get this first event available to them, where's the logic behind that? Sounds like a bad business plan that hurts alot of the current viewership and popularity making it alot less enjoyable for those watching it. MLG is a big business with many sponsorships, multiple games available to them to make tournament money off of, and have merchandise, silver/gold memberships, and other respectable assets that generate them cash. My point being if you're gonna pay the 20 bucks to, ''support esports'', you aren't actually doing so. In fact, MLG is being quite ridiculous to not atleast bump the prize pool alittle more. I don't care if they pay 100k for the players travel costs, that's nothing compared to the amount of money they collect from just one championship event. So you think MLG is just rolling in money? Are you kidding me? You know it costs money to run events. Prize pool is only a small amount compared to the operating costs. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:03 theBizness wrote: I think the problem is that ad revenue alone is not enough to make MLG sustainable. That would be fair if they survived alone on ad revenue last year... | ||
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Flaccid
8836 Posts
Events giving things away for free to compete with the other guys giving everything away for free has created this unsustainable system of unrealistic expectations. Kudos to MLG for having the stones to do this. If you want to be watching MLG and similar events in a few more years time, you can't expect them to operate like a charity. They aren't trying to get rich, they're trying to create a sustainable business. This thread is embarrassing. | ||
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eme
Finland105 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:52 Prochainezo wrote: This thread is why starcarft WILL fail... please read on if you want to support esports... Are these people really so dumb to not support this for a measly $20????? Everyone knows starcraft is losing money atm. It is down to MLG and other leagues to find a way to monetize it otherwise the scene will quite simply collapse. Nobody is making money atm, and nobody can get big sponsors because there are no hard figures behind these kind of events. (Money talks, free stream viewers doesn't) Now MLG take the initiative to try to prove esports can work as a viable bussiness, and all these turds on here say they wont pay.... Well enjoy killing your own hobby idiots. I can't beleive how moderate Sundance is being about this. He has put on so many high quality events, that none of you assholes have ever paid for, and this is the thanks he gets for trying to get $20 for 5 STREAMS and HOURS of content. He even suggests pulling together with friends, or going to barcrafts. Jesus christ, starcraft doesn't deserve to succeed if its fanbase are so short minded as to not support this. Seriously this is so sad it is beyond words. I bet you guys wouldnt blink an eyelid at spening $20 for a new mouse/keyboard/game or even freaking pizza, now when the time coomes to truly support esports, you all can't be asked to spend your doritoes money on a company that has given you so much already for free. Think of any other sport, people pay the entry fee, they buy the merch, they spend money on food/drinks at the event.... and thats how the sport survives as a bussiness. You guys are so shortsighted its unbeleivable. /rant over TLDR; If you can't find $20 to support this, then dont complain when starcraft collapses in the west. It'll be on your head. If this fails, then esports fails. MLG can't continue making money like they have before, and If a company like MLG cant make money, then who the hell can? You have a point. However, where does it end? Is it really sustainable at this point? The point being, if this ppv is succesful, make no mistake, it will spread out to other tournaments, with similiar or higher costs for the viewers. When taken into account that there are so many tournaments throughout the year, it will not be just 20$ a year for the fans, not even close. Do we really want to get into situation where people will have to choose between tournaments which to watch? Because the spectator numbers will fall from just a bit to dramatically for each tournament that uses the PPV system. This again will put off the interest of sponsors etc. I do think that esports will be heading towards PPV, but the time for it is not yet. Especially for the MLG gold members, this is a slap on the face. Also i disapprove your hatred towards the freestream viewers. You can make your point without flaming the people who do not necessarily have 20$ extra to pay for an event ^_^ | ||
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