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On February 14 2012 08:47 Kreb wrote:Poll which might be of interest; Poll: Main reason you're not paying?$20 is just too much for the content you get (121) 58% By principle, Im just not supporting a business model like this, it should be free (42) 20% Wont be able to follow whole tourny due to time zone differences, thus making it not worth it (22) 10% Rather watch Assembly, might have payed if timing was better (13) 6% Would like to pay, but Im too poor (9) 4% I cannot pay (3) 1% 210 total votes Your vote: Main reason you're not paying? (Vote): $20 is just too much for the content you get
(Vote): Would like to pay, but Im too poor
(Vote): Wont be able to follow whole tourny due to time zone differences, thus making it not worth it
(Vote): Rather watch Assembly, might have payed if timing was better
(Vote): By principle, Im just not supporting a business model like this, it should be free
(Vote): I cannot pay
Reposting for some extra votes =)
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God Just make it $59.99-$69.99 a year and include all SC2 events. GIve me access to SC2 only. I don't care about anything else.
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On February 14 2012 08:55 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:54 Xxio wrote:On February 14 2012 08:43 Klonere wrote:
Man how will I ever afford this.
I guess I won't pay a cover charge and not buy 2 drinks this week :D LOL yes Personally, I might buy 1 less bottle of wine Yeah. Rich people who have got it made already... How about you live college life again and relearn how to scrounge for money?
I'm at university and I have a job. I'm happy to pay for this. Please don't pull that bullshit card.
I understand people have different perceptions of the value of money, but no one living in the developed World can honestly say $20 for a three day tournament is a bank breaker. That is literally a few pints in a pub.
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On February 14 2012 08:56 Punic wrote:
Creating a blog post on this issue and using pathos rhetoric aint cool. So here......
Well, today brings us a huge announcement from MLG's very own, and very awesome, Sundance DiGiovanni. MLG's Winter Arena will be a PPV (Pay per View) event. Now, before you come out with your pitch forks and ready to kill the man, lets think about this...
YOU (the fans) say that you "want ESPORTS to be main stream." YOU consistently make posts on reddit (when you're not posting stupid pictures) and TL asking what you can do to grow the sport, or how to help, or what else is out there that can be done to create growth. This brings us to how you can actually support ESPORTS. If you want this thing that we all love to talk about, play, discuss, rage, and love together to continue to grow, then you need to begin to support it. Yes, in 2011 your viewership or attendance at an event or barcraft was indeed huge for the community, but now we need to back our baby monetarily.
MLG needs to develop a model that can make itself self sufficient. They need to generate their own income so they can cover the many costs it takes to run the events. Of course, no one wants to be told to spend their money to support something, and I agree with your statement. You make your money and you spend it as you please. However, if you want this thing we call ESPORTS to grow, then this $20 for the winter arena is indeed you extending help to our lovely child.
Please think about this situation rationally, monetarily, and ESPORTily(?), before you go off posting "bad guy sundance" or "Sundance is killing ESPORTS" threads or saying these things in general. He indeed wants it to grow just like you and me, and he is doing his best for us. So, lets do our best for him.
In the end, I want you to think about this thing as a whole. Past, present, and future. Think about what you want to put in and what you want to get out. This is ours to grow as a community. All in all, who is really "killing ESPORTS" ? ...............
If your trying to argue that Esports needs PPV to survive/expand then im sorry but your the one killing esports.
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So this means that there isn't going to be a free stream? I might have actually bought it if there was, but I really dislike this move if there isn't - and the only way I can protest this is not to buy it. $20 bucks isn't that bad. Its 2 movies at the theater or a night out to eat for something we love watching. I am not buying it based off of principle and the fact that there are other equal quality leagues I can watch for free.
Dammit MLG, you did it all right up until now - you looked so good and just fucked up.
I guess i'm just gonna watch Assembly and IPL's Fight Club instead.
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On February 14 2012 08:57 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 07:57 CuteZergling wrote:
They make a good point though, $20 is twice the cost of a movie, and you are getting 20 hours of entertainment, not 2. millions of dollars are poured into movies, though.
Alot of movies are still crap. An MLG tournament is easily better than most movies. Heck, its better than most movies I've payed for.
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On February 14 2012 08:58 theBizness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:55 Whatson wrote:On February 14 2012 08:54 Xxio wrote:On February 14 2012 08:43 Klonere wrote:
Man how will I ever afford this.
I guess I won't pay a cover charge and not buy 2 drinks this week :D LOL yes Personally, I might buy 1 less bottle of wine Yeah. Rich people who have got it made already... How about you live college life again and relearn how to scrounge for money? Then don't spend your free time watching SC2? If you're hurting for cash you either (1) penny pinch and tough it out or (2) pick up another job/source of income... If you're having trouble making rent/buying food, but finding time to watch SC2 I'm not sure what to say.
I do have a job lol how do you think i get money?
That's why I don't support this program of MLG? Cuz I can watch GSL and assembly FOR FREE. Why would I spend $20 needed dollars on a 3day event?
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If I was able to sit down and watch this for most/all of the weekend, I'd do it. But since I'll just be able to peak in now and then (or would've), I won't be paying the money. Give me a year-long subscription or something if you want to do it PPV.
And what? Assembly's going on at the same time? Yeah... There's just no way I'm going to pay for this. :-( Maybe on a different weekend under different circumstances....
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I've always thought that the MLG production value was a level above everyone else. That's why I kept buying the Silver-membership for the HD-pass. If any tournament is able to pool this off, it should be MLG. However, I'm from Europe, so the timeschedule is all screwed up for me. So I'm not sure if I want to pay 20$, to catch a few matches live, and watch the rest via VoD's.
As for the qualifier goes, there was no re-broadcast for the Europe crowd, so I never got to see those matches. Yes, I know there are VoD's available, but for me, it doesn't seem very intuitive having to find each series individually in a system that doesn't seem very organized - let alone finding the page where the vidoes are listed. Re-broadcasting should be the way to go, imo. Also, there is no story for me at the Winter Arena event, such as dark horses, crazy games, bm and what not, that we normally get through the open bracket.
All that being said, I think pay per view is the right way to go. 20$ for 3 days entertainment is a bargin in my book. I've paid WAY more for a few hours of boxing on TV. The production level is the best I've ever seen for an eSport tournament, so I would very much like to support that. I hope people will support it, but I can see why they would opt not to (specially the european crowd).
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I don't usually say i told you so buuuuuuut :
I TOLD YOU SO ! 
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=287965¤tpage=13#255
Good job guys let's make sc2 even bigger so the guys that already make nice cash from it make even more.
If you got born in a cheap country and can't afford to pay 20 f-ing dollars to watch a few online games? Tough luck amigo, we want to get rich. No free stream shit quality for anyone.
People of good will wanted to make the game bigger and more popular, while the guys that benefit directly from their actions ( Oh yeah we at MLG we got 200 million viewers last season *flex muscles* ) figure ways to make it more exclusive instead.
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Thank goodness I'm watching this at a BarCraft.
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pressure is on mlg to deliver a ppv thats worth peoples money. there has been zero info on what thats going to be but mlg is the organization that can do it.
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I can see how people are up in arms about the cost going from basically $0 to $20 in no time flat but I am going to be paying for it. This event is going to have some of the best foreigners and Koreans playing for a good amount of money. $20 for a weekend of starcraft 2 and to help support MLG feels likes like a good deal to me.
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I'm currently on the fence about buying this... If MLG casts all of the games (unlike the open bracket stuff from 2011 MLGs) I'll probably buy it. If there's games that aren't cast I probably won't.
Either way I don't think it's a big deal. If you don't go out with friends in the weekend and sit at the desk, it's much cheaper. If you don't have the time, the vods are out a week later. I can totally understand the price compared to GSL ticket prices - can you imagine how expensive it is to fly out 32 top players + venues + production from location compared to having players find their way to your 1 studio in korea?
It's a ballsy move and it might pay off for MLG. I hope it does. If it doesn't, I don't know what'll happen to MLG.
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On February 14 2012 08:59 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:47 Kreb wrote:Poll which might be of interest; Poll: Main reason you're not paying?$20 is just too much for the content you get (121) 58% By principle, Im just not supporting a business model like this, it should be free (42) 20% Wont be able to follow whole tourny due to time zone differences, thus making it not worth it (22) 10% Rather watch Assembly, might have payed if timing was better (13) 6% Would like to pay, but Im too poor (9) 4% I cannot pay (3) 1% 210 total votes Your vote: Main reason you're not paying? (Vote): $20 is just too much for the content you get
(Vote): Would like to pay, but Im too poor
(Vote): Wont be able to follow whole tourny due to time zone differences, thus making it not worth it
(Vote): Rather watch Assembly, might have payed if timing was better
(Vote): By principle, Im just not supporting a business model like this, it should be free
(Vote): I cannot pay
Reposting for some extra votes =)
Where's the option that you will be paying...?
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On February 14 2012 08:57 Khenra wrote:
But if all the talent is going to be at MLG Winter Arena, who's going to be playing at Assembly?
A bunch of middle-of-the-road Koreans and some unimpressive Europeans/Americans?
SeleCT, PuMa, Brat_OK, Kas, Polt, Elfi, JYP, HerO, MaNa, Titan, White-Ra, ReaL, Moon, Lucky, Stephano, TLO. Yeah, the worst players imaginable, amirite?
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I would maybe pay if I could actually have time to watch the whole thing live but in reality I only ever get to see a few games live. 20$ is just too much for that.
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I love from how MLG went from not even enough seats for SC2, to focusing more on SC2, to being exclusive for SC2 to being PPV for SC2.
Ride that train...... I never liked Sundance, he was just building goodwill so he could cash in. Don't forget, the winners of all last years MLG's only got 5k (until the Championship)
SC2 doesn't need this kind of opportunism.
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I paid $20 for an entire season of GSL that spans over several months. I cannot and will not pay $20 for one weekend. I'll catch the VoDs and enjoy Assembly live. I used to want MLG to beat out IPL because, well, I thought Sundance knew what he was doing. This just changed my mind.
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On February 14 2012 08:41 slicknav wrote:
20$ for one weekend is too much, considering I don't think most people will watch everything. If it was 5$, or 10$, than it would be fine, and I would happily pay.
This... If they weren't so greedy with the price, more people would buy and they'd make the same if not more money. For me $10 would be reasonable but $20 for this amount of content is too high.
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