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On April 21 2012 16:13 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:03 jmbthirteen wrote:
I'm talking about these arenas specifically. In the current market, MLG would not be able to run these events without PPV. If we assume what the figures are, perhaps. They could have moved to PPV because they wanted to increase their margins. It's not that they couldn't run the events, it's that they have acquired a lot of capital with slim margins, and now they have to try and reap what they can from the audience to make it worthwhile for their investors, to at least make their money back. That doesn't even say enough about whether this will be sustainable, or whether they are able to, or willing, to include aspects of investment, development, and future growth in with that. MLG underestimated their audience when moving to PC competition and the online realm outside of consoles. They've quickly seen the potential, and the headaches associated with this market, but they're still quite guarded. In our generation, and in the online world, transparency is king; MLG is almost anything but in my opinion.
MLG has been losing money. Every tournament has been losing money, except for GSL possibly who relies greatly on subscriptions and gets them because they broadcast at horrible hours for most people. We have seen multiple MLG people say these events wouldn't happen if PPV didn't work.
And of course MLG is guarded. They are a business. People forget that tournaments are businesses. The transparency that people want is ridiculous and will never be had. Nor should it.
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On April 21 2012 14:51 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. It's funny people spend 10$ on a lot dumber shit.
Ohh, I can afford it, easily. But do I think its worth the money?? Well... No.
For 10 euro, I can get 2 cheaper sets of ppv channels on tv for an entire month. Or get one more expensive set of channels for an entire month.. 10$ for one weekend is just not worth it to me. And thats just without the fact that yesterdays games were broadcasted from 1 am to 7 am in my timezone.
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On April 21 2012 16:26 aicaramba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 14:51 thezanursic wrote:On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. It's funny people spend 10$ on a lot dumber shit. Ohh, I can afford it, easily. But do I think its worth the money?? Well... No. For 10 euro, I can get 2 cheaper sets of ppv channels on tv for an entire month. Or get one more expensive set of channels for an entire month.. 10$ for one weekend is just not worth it to me. And thats just without the fact that yesterdays games were broadcasted from 1 am to 7 am in my timezone.
And for the guy who said that he goes to a 120 minute movie for the money of 24 hours of starcraft tournament so it's totally worth it he doesn't take in account how much money a movie production costs in comparison to a tournament. In that regard MLG is totally not worth it.
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Why is everyone calling me a kid? Because I don't believe in pay per view events?
Oh well I respect everyone opinions, I guess everyone else needs to respect other opinions too. Goodluck to MLG, I didn;t know that their large tournaments were still free, so I take back a little of what I have said.
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I paid $10 for this just like I paid $10 for lunch yesterday. I can just eat ramen for lunch one day instead of buying food, not that hard.
Seriously $10 is nothing. Until it starts happening like 3x a month its not a serious amount of money. It is the equivalent of about 1 alcoholic drink at a bar, or 1 lunch meal for me. So no, it doesn't bother me at all to buy this.
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On April 21 2012 15:38 ceaRshaf wrote:I did not pay for this last event. I am over saturated already by sc2. In the weekdays I come from work and happily follow IPL and NASL every day and in the weekends, if I have free time, there are often enough big tournaments with free stream. Even though the top 8 at MLG are really good players I see them play around all the time. Why should I pay MLG to give me the same thing again but for money? And for all those who say that 10$ is nothing the amount of money is irrelevant, it's the context, the market they charge it in is what matters. Dreamhack is today and free. Will definitely follow that. IPL 4 gave us a lot more for the lousy 5$ for premium. And it had a free stream. I just bought to support the event. I did that because of the way they treat their customers. There was a TED Talk where a dude said this interesting thing : "Customers don't spend money for the product, they spend money for the company and its ideals". I feel MLG is not my kind of company and I don't like helping them. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 15:26 jmbthirteen wrote:I'm just gonna leave this here: Sundance DiGiovanni
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Wow. Based on day one sales an 8 man arena is viable. Thank you to all those who went all in with us. 8 players x 3000$ accommodations (value from Sir Scoots) = 24.000$. Add bonus pool of 10.000$. Add 6000$ for different things. We get a total of 40.000$ costs. That means ~4000 people watched MLG. Explains the small LR thread. Not losing money is good, but it doesn't mean real growth. I wonder how much money did IPL 4 get from 100.000 people seeing ads.
I imagine they like to pay the people who work there full time once in a while as well
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On April 21 2012 16:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
MLG has been losing money. Every tournament has been losing money, except for GSL possibly who relies greatly on subscriptions and gets them because they broadcast at horrible hours for most people. We have seen multiple MLG people say these events wouldn't happen if PPV didn't work.
And of course MLG is guarded. They are a business. People forget that tournaments are businesses. The transparency that people want is ridiculous and will never be had. Nor should it.
They've been losing money because they haven't implemented a proper model in which to make a profit. PPV doesn't have a sustainable future in eSports until every other event starts adopting it. MLG took a chance, and until we see the effect of one or two more MLG events under the guise of PPV, we won't know whether this is going to blow up in their faces or not. Personally, PPV is a band-aid solution that really lacks the creativity that eSports needs.
And I never said anything about them not being a business, but they don't deserve charity. If they have a poor product, poor pricing structure, make bad business decisions, too much overhead, whatever the case may be, they will fail; that's the beauty of capitalism. They've only kept afloat with VC, and that's the scary part of all of this. They haven't found a good product to showcase, nor a model that allows them to be successful yet. We will end up seeing if PPV does that for them.
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On April 21 2012 16:38 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
MLG has been losing money. Every tournament has been losing money, except for GSL possibly who relies greatly on subscriptions and gets them because they broadcast at horrible hours for most people. We have seen multiple MLG people say these events wouldn't happen if PPV didn't work.
And of course MLG is guarded. They are a business. People forget that tournaments are businesses. The transparency that people want is ridiculous and will never be had. Nor should it. They've been losing money because they haven't implemented a proper model in which to make a profit. PPV doesn't have a sustainable future in eSports until every other event starts adopting it. MLG took a chance, and until we see the effect of one or two more MLG events under the guise of PPV, we won't know whether this is going to blow up in their faces or not. Personally, PPV is a band-aid solution that really lacks the creativity that eSports needs. And I never said anything about them not being a business, but they don't deserve charity. If they have a poor product, poor pricing structure, make bad business decisions, too much overhead, whatever the case may be, they will fail; that's the beauty of capitalism. They've only kept afloat with VC, and that's the scary part of all of this. They haven't found a good product to showcase, nor a model that allows them to be successful yet. We will end up seeing if PPV does that for them.
It really sounds like you are assuming when you say it isn't working. Unless you are some sort of expert on the situation I would assume it isn't going to bad especially with the new Blizzard partnership and them hinting that their next championship event is going to be the best thing ever...
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On April 21 2012 16:31 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:26 aicaramba wrote:On April 21 2012 14:51 thezanursic wrote:On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. It's funny people spend 10$ on a lot dumber shit. Ohh, I can afford it, easily. But do I think its worth the money?? Well... No. For 10 euro, I can get 2 cheaper sets of ppv channels on tv for an entire month. Or get one more expensive set of channels for an entire month.. 10$ for one weekend is just not worth it to me. And thats just without the fact that yesterdays games were broadcasted from 1 am to 7 am in my timezone. And for the guy who said that he goes to a 120 minute movie for the money of 24 hours of starcraft tournament so it's totally worth it he doesn't take in account how much money a movie production costs in comparison to a tournament. In that regard MLG is totally not worth it.
Lol. In that regard, MLG is worth it. Movies that play in cinemas make billions of dollars because millions of people go a see those movies. MLG gets like what 50,000 people watching at these arenas at best?
Obviously i'm pulling these numbers out of my ass because i'm too lazy to check but i'm sure you get the picture. It gets sooo many more eyes on it. Not only that but it's in the theatre for about a week or two and then sells on dvd. So they make profit on that as well. Whereas MLG gives the VODS to you for free afterwards.
So you really can't compare the two. If you were to, then it's a pretty damn safe assumption that 120 minute movies are the crooks here really. Especially with the new 3d bullshit so movies don't cost 10$ anymore but around 15$ half the time.
Anyways, I think 10$ is really not much money for what you're getting. If this is something that really keeps you entertained, then it's a really good deal. Cook some food, grab a drink, call some buddies(if you can), hook up your computer to your tv and watch some damn good starcraft.
PS: for the dude talking about how he can get 2 channels for that price, then by all means go and do that. While you're doing that, i'll be watching some good starcraft. I just hope that those 2 channels plays shows you like all the time because I atleast have the garuntee that i'll be watching basically only starcraft which is what I signed up for.
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On April 21 2012 16:38 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 15:38 ceaRshaf wrote:I did not pay for this last event. I am over saturated already by sc2. In the weekdays I come from work and happily follow IPL and NASL every day and in the weekends, if I have free time, there are often enough big tournaments with free stream. Even though the top 8 at MLG are really good players I see them play around all the time. Why should I pay MLG to give me the same thing again but for money? And for all those who say that 10$ is nothing the amount of money is irrelevant, it's the context, the market they charge it in is what matters. Dreamhack is today and free. Will definitely follow that. IPL 4 gave us a lot more for the lousy 5$ for premium. And it had a free stream. I just bought to support the event. I did that because of the way they treat their customers. There was a TED Talk where a dude said this interesting thing : "Customers don't spend money for the product, they spend money for the company and its ideals". I feel MLG is not my kind of company and I don't like helping them. 8 players x 3000$ accommodations (value from Sir Scoots) = 24.000$. Add bonus pool of 10.000$. Add 6000$ for different things. We get a total of 40.000$ costs. That means ~4000 people watched MLG. Explains the small LR thread. Not losing money is good, but it doesn't mean real growth. I wonder how much money did IPL 4 get from 100.000 people seeing ads. I imagine they like to pay the people who work there full time once in a while as well
They pay them in the free arenas too, so those costs are not special to the ppv program.
Lol. In that regard, MLG is worth it. Movies that play in cinemas make billions of dollars because millions of people go a see those movies. MLG gets like what 50,000 people watching at these arenas at best?
You don't get it. A 10 ticket for a movie that cost 300 mil $ to produce is not equal with a tournament that costs 50.000$ to produce and charges the same.
But of course they are apples and oranges, but someone else was making this comparison that is flawed.
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On April 21 2012 16:31 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:26 aicaramba wrote:On April 21 2012 14:51 thezanursic wrote:On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. It's funny people spend 10$ on a lot dumber shit. Ohh, I can afford it, easily. But do I think its worth the money?? Well... No. For 10 euro, I can get 2 cheaper sets of ppv channels on tv for an entire month. Or get one more expensive set of channels for an entire month.. 10$ for one weekend is just not worth it to me. And thats just without the fact that yesterdays games were broadcasted from 1 am to 7 am in my timezone. And for the guy who said that he goes to a 120 minute movie for the money of 24 hours of starcraft tournament so it's totally worth it he doesn't take in account how much money a movie production costs in comparison to a tournament. In that regard MLG is totally not worth it.
If you count the fact that movies are expected to have much more sales then it still is worth it. Basically with the higher ticket price and the much larger audience they are able to cover their spendings much more easily. Also, it really depends on how you value your money because every body values things at different prices in their heads. In other words, buy the ticket if you want to buy it and don't buy it if you don't.
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On April 21 2012 16:52 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:31 ceaRshaf wrote:On April 21 2012 16:26 aicaramba wrote:On April 21 2012 14:51 thezanursic wrote:On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. It's funny people spend 10$ on a lot dumber shit. Ohh, I can afford it, easily. But do I think its worth the money?? Well... No. For 10 euro, I can get 2 cheaper sets of ppv channels on tv for an entire month. Or get one more expensive set of channels for an entire month.. 10$ for one weekend is just not worth it to me. And thats just without the fact that yesterdays games were broadcasted from 1 am to 7 am in my timezone. And for the guy who said that he goes to a 120 minute movie for the money of 24 hours of starcraft tournament so it's totally worth it he doesn't take in account how much money a movie production costs in comparison to a tournament. In that regard MLG is totally not worth it. If you count the fact that movies are expected to have much more sales then it still is worth it. Basically with the higher ticket price and the much larger audience they are able to cover their spendings much more easily. Also, it really depends on how you value your money because every body values things at different prices in their heads. In other words, buy the ticket if you want to buy it and don't buy it if you don't.
The fact that I am free to buy something or not is besides the point of anything. I am actually free to stop watching starcraft at all but that doesn't point to anything.
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On April 21 2012 16:52 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:38 feanor1 wrote:On April 21 2012 15:38 ceaRshaf wrote:I did not pay for this last event. I am over saturated already by sc2. In the weekdays I come from work and happily follow IPL and NASL every day and in the weekends, if I have free time, there are often enough big tournaments with free stream. Even though the top 8 at MLG are really good players I see them play around all the time. Why should I pay MLG to give me the same thing again but for money? And for all those who say that 10$ is nothing the amount of money is irrelevant, it's the context, the market they charge it in is what matters. Dreamhack is today and free. Will definitely follow that. IPL 4 gave us a lot more for the lousy 5$ for premium. And it had a free stream. I just bought to support the event. I did that because of the way they treat their customers. There was a TED Talk where a dude said this interesting thing : "Customers don't spend money for the product, they spend money for the company and its ideals". I feel MLG is not my kind of company and I don't like helping them. 8 players x 3000$ accommodations (value from Sir Scoots) = 24.000$. Add bonus pool of 10.000$. Add 6000$ for different things. We get a total of 40.000$ costs. That means ~4000 people watched MLG. Explains the small LR thread. Not losing money is good, but it doesn't mean real growth. I wonder how much money did IPL 4 get from 100.000 people seeing ads. I imagine they like to pay the people who work there full time once in a while as well They pay them in the free arenas too, so those costs are not special to the ppv program. Show nested quote +Lol. In that regard, MLG is worth it. Movies that play in cinemas make billions of dollars because millions of people go a see those movies. MLG gets like what 50,000 people watching at these arenas at best? You don't get it. A 10 ticket for a movie that cost 300 mil $ to produce is not equal with a tournament that costs 50.000$ to produce and charges the same. But of course they are apples and oranges, but someone else was making this comparison that is flawed.
The point is that if they were not running the arenas there would probably be less people on staff at MLG. So at least 1 person would not work there
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On April 21 2012 16:52 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:38 feanor1 wrote:On April 21 2012 15:38 ceaRshaf wrote:I did not pay for this last event. I am over saturated already by sc2. In the weekdays I come from work and happily follow IPL and NASL every day and in the weekends, if I have free time, there are often enough big tournaments with free stream. Even though the top 8 at MLG are really good players I see them play around all the time. Why should I pay MLG to give me the same thing again but for money? And for all those who say that 10$ is nothing the amount of money is irrelevant, it's the context, the market they charge it in is what matters. Dreamhack is today and free. Will definitely follow that. IPL 4 gave us a lot more for the lousy 5$ for premium. And it had a free stream. I just bought to support the event. I did that because of the way they treat their customers. There was a TED Talk where a dude said this interesting thing : "Customers don't spend money for the product, they spend money for the company and its ideals". I feel MLG is not my kind of company and I don't like helping them. 8 players x 3000$ accommodations (value from Sir Scoots) = 24.000$. Add bonus pool of 10.000$. Add 6000$ for different things. We get a total of 40.000$ costs. That means ~4000 people watched MLG. Explains the small LR thread. Not losing money is good, but it doesn't mean real growth. I wonder how much money did IPL 4 get from 100.000 people seeing ads. I imagine they like to pay the people who work there full time once in a while as well They pay them in the free arenas too, so those costs are not special to the ppv program. Show nested quote +Lol. In that regard, MLG is worth it. Movies that play in cinemas make billions of dollars because millions of people go a see those movies. MLG gets like what 50,000 people watching at these arenas at best? You don't get it. A 10 ticket for a movie that cost 300 mil $ to produce is not equal with a tournament that costs 50.000$ to produce and charges the same. But of course they are apples and oranges, but someone else was making this comparison that is flawed.
a ticket to a movie that cost $300 mil to produce wouldnt be $10 if a ton of people didn't go see it. MLG doesn't have that many people watching so expecting it to be cheaper is silly.
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On April 21 2012 16:37 Lunares wrote:
I paid $10 for this just like I paid $10 for lunch yesterday. I can just eat ramen for lunch one day instead of buying food, not that hard.
Seriously $10 is nothing. Until it starts happening like 3x a month its not a serious amount of money. It is the equivalent of about 1 alcoholic drink at a bar, or 1 lunch meal for me. So no, it doesn't bother me at all to buy this.
You pay $10 for lunch? I pay about $1, probably less, if I just make my own sandwiches, and <$5 for dinner.
Meaning paying $10 is about 1-2 days of eating.
Less drama: thing is, if I want to watch GSL, MLG, IPL and Dreamhack(just to name the bigger ones), maybe even some new Kespa stuff in a year, maybe every one of those tournaments is 'just' $10. Meaning it'll be 'just' $200 a year, if not more.
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On April 21 2012 17:01 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:52 ceaRshaf wrote:On April 21 2012 16:38 feanor1 wrote:On April 21 2012 15:38 ceaRshaf wrote:I did not pay for this last event. I am over saturated already by sc2. In the weekdays I come from work and happily follow IPL and NASL every day and in the weekends, if I have free time, there are often enough big tournaments with free stream. Even though the top 8 at MLG are really good players I see them play around all the time. Why should I pay MLG to give me the same thing again but for money? And for all those who say that 10$ is nothing the amount of money is irrelevant, it's the context, the market they charge it in is what matters. Dreamhack is today and free. Will definitely follow that. IPL 4 gave us a lot more for the lousy 5$ for premium. And it had a free stream. I just bought to support the event. I did that because of the way they treat their customers. There was a TED Talk where a dude said this interesting thing : "Customers don't spend money for the product, they spend money for the company and its ideals". I feel MLG is not my kind of company and I don't like helping them. 8 players x 3000$ accommodations (value from Sir Scoots) = 24.000$. Add bonus pool of 10.000$. Add 6000$ for different things. We get a total of 40.000$ costs. That means ~4000 people watched MLG. Explains the small LR thread. Not losing money is good, but it doesn't mean real growth. I wonder how much money did IPL 4 get from 100.000 people seeing ads. I imagine they like to pay the people who work there full time once in a while as well They pay them in the free arenas too, so those costs are not special to the ppv program. Lol. In that regard, MLG is worth it. Movies that play in cinemas make billions of dollars because millions of people go a see those movies. MLG gets like what 50,000 people watching at these arenas at best? You don't get it. A 10 ticket for a movie that cost 300 mil $ to produce is not equal with a tournament that costs 50.000$ to produce and charges the same. But of course they are apples and oranges, but someone else was making this comparison that is flawed. a ticket to a movie that cost $300 mil to produce wouldnt be $10 if a ton of people didn't go see it. MLG doesn't have that many people watching so expecting it to be cheaper is silly.
It's the reverse way. A product is made only if there is a market for it to sell on. Blockbusters would not be made if not enough people would be willing to pay for them. MLG giving a pricey product on a small market is like Transformers being made for 100k people and people would tell me to buy the 100$ movie ticket to support the industry. gtfo
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On April 21 2012 16:37 Lunares wrote:
I paid $10 for this just like I paid $10 for lunch yesterday. I can just eat ramen for lunch one day instead of buying food, not that hard.
Seriously $10 is nothing. Until it starts happening like 3x a month its not a serious amount of money. It is the equivalent of about 1 alcoholic drink at a bar, or 1 lunch meal for me. So no, it doesn't bother me at all to buy this.
your state must suck... 2 dollar pints here. 10 bucks will get you buzzed.
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On April 21 2012 16:38 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
MLG has been losing money. Every tournament has been losing money, except for GSL possibly who relies greatly on subscriptions and gets them because they broadcast at horrible hours for most people. We have seen multiple MLG people say these events wouldn't happen if PPV didn't work.
And of course MLG is guarded. They are a business. People forget that tournaments are businesses. The transparency that people want is ridiculous and will never be had. Nor should it. They've been losing money because they haven't implemented a proper model in which to make a profit. PPV doesn't have a sustainable future in eSports until every other event starts adopting it. MLG took a chance, and until we see the effect of one or two more MLG events under the guise of PPV, we won't know whether this is going to blow up in their faces or not. Personally, PPV is a band-aid solution that really lacks the creativity that eSports needs. And I never said anything about them not being a business, but they don't deserve charity. If they have a poor product, poor pricing structure, make bad business decisions, too much overhead, whatever the case may be, they will fail; that's the beauty of capitalism. They've only kept afloat with VC, and that's the scary part of all of this. They haven't found a good product to showcase, nor a model that allows them to be successful yet. We will end up seeing if PPV does that for them.
They've been losing money because monetizing esports hasn't been figured out yet. We see more league fall than we see stay. MLG has been around for 10 years and has used various types of models. They've been on TV, worked with ESPN, tried the freemium model and more. Guess what? They all lose money. Why? Because advertising for esports has been a joke. This new deal with CBSi hopefully changes that. But its not in effect yet.
Saying PPV doesn't have a sustainable future in esports until the rest use it is short sighted. MLG has now put on two successful PPV events this year. And they were on the same weekend as other large events. If i were a betting man, I would say Spring Arena 2 is gonna be successful as well.
Is PPV the answer to everything? No, no one is saying it is. Everyone going all PPV would kill the scene. BUT having some PPV throughout the year is a good thing, especially when MLG is proving that it can work. MLG is asking for $90 a year to view all their events in HD and without commercials. IPL wants $60 for the same thing. GOM wants $213 for all hd content (GSL and GSTL) plus ad support for the year, $295 without ads. NASL charges $20 a season. Every league is asking for your money.
MLG isn't asking to be a charity. They have never tried to hide that they are a business. They have kept afloat so far with VC, like many young companies. People have been voting with their wallets. Right now they are voting that mlg doesnt have a poor product or pricing structure. They have run two successful PPV events (the second one selling enough on day 1 alone to support it). We are already seeing what PPV does for them. And on top of showing they can run these PPV events successfully, they were able to bring in even more VC.
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On April 21 2012 16:50 nakedsurfer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:31 ceaRshaf wrote:On April 21 2012 16:26 aicaramba wrote:On April 21 2012 14:51 thezanursic wrote:On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. It's funny people spend 10$ on a lot dumber shit. Ohh, I can afford it, easily. But do I think its worth the money?? Well... No. For 10 euro, I can get 2 cheaper sets of ppv channels on tv for an entire month. Or get one more expensive set of channels for an entire month.. 10$ for one weekend is just not worth it to me. And thats just without the fact that yesterdays games were broadcasted from 1 am to 7 am in my timezone. And for the guy who said that he goes to a 120 minute movie for the money of 24 hours of starcraft tournament so it's totally worth it he doesn't take in account how much money a movie production costs in comparison to a tournament. In that regard MLG is totally not worth it. Lol. In that regard, MLG is worth it. Movies that play in cinemas make billions of dollars because millions of people go a see those movies. MLG gets like what 50,000 people watching at these arenas at best? Obviously i'm pulling these numbers out of my ass because i'm too lazy to check but i'm sure you get the picture. It gets sooo many more eyes on it. Not only that but it's in the theatre for about a week or two and then sells on dvd. So they make profit on that as well. Whereas MLG gives the VODS to you for free afterwards. So you really can't compare the two. If you were to, then it's a pretty damn safe assumption that 120 minute movies are the crooks here really. Especially with the new 3d bullshit so movies don't cost 10$ anymore but around 15$ half the time. Anyways, I think 10$ is really not much money for what you're getting. If this is something that really keeps you entertained, then it's a really good deal. Cook some food, grab a drink, call some buddies(if you can), hook up your computer to your tv and watch some damn good starcraft. PS: for the dude talking about how he can get 2 channels for that price, then by all means go and do that. While you're doing that, i'll be watching some good starcraft. I just hope that those 2 channels plays shows you like all the time because I atleast have the garuntee that i'll be watching basically only starcraft which is what I signed up for.
I actually dont pay for the 2 channels either, because I dont think its worth of it  But thats another story.
All im trying to say is 10$ might not be alot and pretty much anyone here can afford it, but people here make it sound like anyone should think its worth their money. While its really a decision one should make for himself.. I for instance, dont think its worth it.
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On April 21 2012 17:06 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 17:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 21 2012 16:52 ceaRshaf wrote:On April 21 2012 16:38 feanor1 wrote:On April 21 2012 15:38 ceaRshaf wrote:I did not pay for this last event. I am over saturated already by sc2. In the weekdays I come from work and happily follow IPL and NASL every day and in the weekends, if I have free time, there are often enough big tournaments with free stream. Even though the top 8 at MLG are really good players I see them play around all the time. Why should I pay MLG to give me the same thing again but for money? And for all those who say that 10$ is nothing the amount of money is irrelevant, it's the context, the market they charge it in is what matters. Dreamhack is today and free. Will definitely follow that. IPL 4 gave us a lot more for the lousy 5$ for premium. And it had a free stream. I just bought to support the event. I did that because of the way they treat their customers. There was a TED Talk where a dude said this interesting thing : "Customers don't spend money for the product, they spend money for the company and its ideals". I feel MLG is not my kind of company and I don't like helping them. 8 players x 3000$ accommodations (value from Sir Scoots) = 24.000$. Add bonus pool of 10.000$. Add 6000$ for different things. We get a total of 40.000$ costs. That means ~4000 people watched MLG. Explains the small LR thread. Not losing money is good, but it doesn't mean real growth. I wonder how much money did IPL 4 get from 100.000 people seeing ads. I imagine they like to pay the people who work there full time once in a while as well They pay them in the free arenas too, so those costs are not special to the ppv program. Lol. In that regard, MLG is worth it. Movies that play in cinemas make billions of dollars because millions of people go a see those movies. MLG gets like what 50,000 people watching at these arenas at best? You don't get it. A 10 ticket for a movie that cost 300 mil $ to produce is not equal with a tournament that costs 50.000$ to produce and charges the same. But of course they are apples and oranges, but someone else was making this comparison that is flawed. a ticket to a movie that cost $300 mil to produce wouldnt be $10 if a ton of people didn't go see it. MLG doesn't have that many people watching so expecting it to be cheaper is silly. It's the reverse way. A product is made only if there is a market for it to sell on. Blockbusters would not be made if not enough people would be willing to pay for them. MLG giving a pricey product on a small market is like Transformers being made for 100k people and people would tell me to buy the 100$ movie ticket to support the industry. gtfo
But we are seeing these PPV events work and be sustainable. So... wouldn't that mean they are priced right, like the movies?
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