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On April 21 2012 12:00 Gackt_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time. In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament? Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days? Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames.
You have every right to say NO, and to back your expression of disgust with your refusal to part with your money. The rest of us will be enjoying our extremely high quality events.
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I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job.
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i just dont think this is the right way to go. I don´t want to argue whether it is morally okay to charge money for this product. A Major Part of the interested group ignoring this product shows just that, most likely, you figured a bad way to market it. To my oppinion a advertisement sponsored product as free stream and a non-ad high resolution all vods and stuff membership is the way to go. Because otherwise you tend to split up a community that will turn away from your product, if a major part looses the interest due to the fact, that they can´t follow.
And don´t bring players sallary or prize money into this. This expenses can be acquired different as already mentioned. Im personally not buying this ticket, not for the reasons mentioned above, but just because 20 Dollars for the content presented is a rippoff.
You have every right to say NO, and to back your expression of disgust with your refusal to part with your money. The rest of us will be enjoying our extremely high quality events.
I rather think the rest of us will stick to free streams, until your´s is a) a free stream once again or b) this business model goes bankrupt. I firmly believe that this method isnt sustainable, as you don´t acquire new customers without the ability to check out the product for free
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On April 21 2012 13:17 Cele wrote:i just dont think this is the right way to go. I don´t want to argue whether it is morally okay to charge money for this product. A Major Part of the interested group ignoring this product shows just that, most likely, you figured a bad way to market it. To my oppinion a advertisement sponsored product as free stream and a non-ad high resolution all vods and stuff membership is the way to go. Because otherwise you tend to split up a community that will turn away from your product, if a major part looses the interest due to the fact, that they can´t follow. And don´t bring players sallary or prize money into this. This expenses can be acquired different as already mentioned. Im personally not buying this ticket, not for the reasons mentioned above, but just because 20 Dollars for the content presented is a rippoff. Show nested quote + You have every right to say NO, and to back your expression of disgust with your refusal to part with your money. The rest of us will be enjoying our extremely high quality events. I rather think the rest of us will stick to free streams, until your´s is a) a free stream once again or b) this business model goes bankrupt. I firmly believe that this method isnt sustainable, as you don´t acquire new customers without the ability to check out the product for free
The evidence is that most people are in fact paying for the product.
EDIT: I initially read your statement as a claim that most people are in fact watching illegal restreams of the mlg product, but that's clearly false and also ridiculous. If your claim is that most people will continue watching alternative free events, then yeah, sure, and that's fine. But I wouldn't count on MLG disappearing any time soon when the quality of their PPV events is substantially higher than anything else.
Double Edit: They did provide a method of checking out the product; the initial MKP vs Parting set was free to everybody in glorious 1080p, or if you were me, triple 1080p (showing both PoV's and the caster PoV).
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On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job.
Spoken like a person who doesn't earn his own money. Or a person who doesn't pay bills.
Or maybe just spoken like a person who prioritizes SC2 above everything else?
In any case, $10 (abt 6 pounds for me) is equivalent to 3 meals or 3 days of public transport (and I have a job, besides being a student - fortunately that will change next month). Going to a barcraft is even more costly - that's at least 10 pounds, not including transport, if you want to have some grub and a drink.
Sundance was kind enough to understand. To be fair, MLG did lower the prices for Spring Arena for more base number of games {(4x4x3)+[(8x5)+(2x7)]} = 92 as opposed to (16x3x2 - Variables) = >96. But still, no need tell people to off - it's their money, their right to question what they do with their money.
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I want to pay for it but unfortunately I keep getting errors.... is there any issues with sales to Australia?
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MLG are a joke.
PPV , then only $5000 1st prize ?
MLG = great comedy.
MLG made my permanent 'facepalm' list !
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I won't pay for or watch another MLG event after the terrible attitudes of Sundance on LO3 and Alex or whoever on State of the Game. Telling gold members to essentially "suck it" is bullshit. MLG deserves no money, so I will give them none. I even won't watch their free events, I'll stick to GOM and Dreamhack, along with IEM since you get HD Sc2 AND LoL for a small fee and even have a means to watch without HD and free VOD service. MLG can suck it as far as I'm concerned.
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On April 21 2012 13:37 ke_ivan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. Spoken like a person who doesn't earn his own money. Or a person who doesn't pay bills. Or maybe just spoken like a person who prioritizes SC2 above everything else? In any case, $10 (abt 6 pounds for me) is equivalent to 3 meals or 3 days of public transport (and I have a job, besides being a student - fortunately that will change next month). Going to a barcraft is even more costly - that's at least 10 pounds, not including transport, if you want to have some grub and a drink. Sundance was kind enough to understand. To be fair, MLG did lower the prices for Spring Arena for more base number of games {(4x4x3)+[(8x5)+(2x7)]} = 92 as opposed to (16x3x2 - Variables) = >96. But still, no need tell people to off - it's their money, their right to question what they do with their money.
Your point doesn't invalidate his point, that most people who have a job should be able to pay for it; it is not that difficult to work 1 hr for 10 bucks, after all. All you are saying is that you prioritize other things higher, which is fine ofc. People have diff. priorities, after all, and furthermore, he may have a higher income than you, which makes him able to spend 10 bucks on something like SC2 because he's already paid his bills and stocked his fridge, etc.
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On April 21 2012 13:17 Cele wrote:i just dont think this is the right way to go. I don´t want to argue whether it is morally okay to charge money for this product. A Major Part of the interested group ignoring this product shows just that, most likely, you figured a bad way to market it. To my oppinion a advertisement sponsored product as free stream and a non-ad high resolution all vods and stuff membership is the way to go. Because otherwise you tend to split up a community that will turn away from your product, if a major part looses the interest due to the fact, that they can´t follow. And don´t bring players sallary or prize money into this. This expenses can be acquired different as already mentioned. Im personally not buying this ticket, not for the reasons mentioned above, but just because 20 Dollars for the content presented is a rippoff. Show nested quote + You have every right to say NO, and to back your expression of disgust with your refusal to part with your money. The rest of us will be enjoying our extremely high quality events. I rather think the rest of us will stick to free streams, until your´s is a) a free stream once again or b) this business model goes bankrupt. I firmly believe that this method isnt sustainable, as you don´t acquire new customers without the ability to check out the product for free
Sorry, but I have to say, after doing extensive research and speaking to quite a number of business people in the industry, LoL is the ONLY game that is making money off ads. Subscription, PPV or sponsorship are kind of the only ways forward. Sponsorships make a business dependent at best and are unreliable at worst.
MLG already releases VODs one week after. People who don't pay just have to wait. It's fair. Streaming is pretty expensive. VODs probably cut the costs down by half.
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I watched the free one, shame it wasn't that good of a series nor Zerg so didn't get that interested in buying
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On April 21 2012 13:37 ke_ivan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. Spoken like a person who doesn't earn his own money. Or a person who doesn't pay bills. Or maybe just spoken like a person who prioritizes SC2 above everything else? In any case, $10 (abt 6 pounds for me) is equivalent to 3 meals or 3 days of public transport (and I have a job, besides being a student - fortunately that will change next month). Going to a barcraft is even more costly - that's at least 10 pounds, not including transport, if you want to have some grub and a drink. Sundance was kind enough to understand. To be fair, MLG did lower the prices for Spring Arena for more base number of games {(4x4x3)+[(8x5)+(2x7)]} = 92 as opposed to (16x3x2 - Variables) = >96. But still, no need tell people to off - it's their money, their right to question what they do with their money.
I do prioritize SC2 above everything else. Money spent on MLG and GSL+GSTL tickets is at least 50% of my entertainment budget.
I've paid my own way through 4 years of university. I only spend money on food, rent, utilities, and SC2. I never eat out, I never buy coffee or bottled water, and I rarely drink. I bet if most of the people complaining about the cost took a close look at their spending they would find that $10 is not much at all compared to all the random stuff they spend money on. Hell, a single drink at a bar is at least $5 around here and that lasts for maybe 10 minutes. A single pack of cigarettes is upwards of $12 here. A burger, fries, and a drink at any fast food place is usually at least $8.
$10 is not a lot of money for 25+ hours of SC2. My friend went to a movie the other day and it was $12 just to get in the theater, nevermind the cost of drinks and snacks. A movie is less than 2 hours long, too.
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People need to get over themselves. I don't understand how people feel entitled to free content when this is "bonus" content to begin with. If you don't want to pay for it don't pay, but please don't complain about it...
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On April 21 2012 13:50 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:37 ke_ivan wrote:On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. Spoken like a person who doesn't earn his own money. Or a person who doesn't pay bills. Or maybe just spoken like a person who prioritizes SC2 above everything else? In any case, $10 (abt 6 pounds for me) is equivalent to 3 meals or 3 days of public transport (and I have a job, besides being a student - fortunately that will change next month). Going to a barcraft is even more costly - that's at least 10 pounds, not including transport, if you want to have some grub and a drink. Sundance was kind enough to understand. To be fair, MLG did lower the prices for Spring Arena for more base number of games {(4x4x3)+[(8x5)+(2x7)]} = 92 as opposed to (16x3x2 - Variables) = >96. But still, no need tell people to off - it's their money, their right to question what they do with their money. Your point doesn't invalidate his point, that most people who have a job should be able to pay for it; it is not that difficult to work 1 hr for 10 bucks, after all. All you are saying is that you prioritize other things higher, which is fine ofc. People have diff. priorities, after all, and furthermore, he may have a higher income than you, which makes him able to spend 10 bucks on something like SC2 because he's already paid his bills and stocked his fridge, etc.
Ofc, I'm assuming he is a person who doesn't understand the value of money, just as he assumes that anyone who can't pay $10 is jobless. I'm just pointing out that $10 can be a lot for some people - including anyone who has his own business. It's all about spending tolerance.
I can understand the frustration that comes with this issue. The fact is that this issue has been flogged to death and back again. I get it. But my point is also pretty obvious - don't be jackass... please.
Edit: It was an obviously bad assumption as the above posts show.
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Although some people are angry about the $10 charge, keep in mind MLG is in this business to make money. They have a product people want so that means if they charge for it people will buy it.
More money to MLG, more they grow! If you don't think it's worth $10, don't buy it. If enough people feel that way, MLG will review their strategy and remove the fee. Simple! 
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On April 21 2012 14:06 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:37 ke_ivan wrote:On April 21 2012 13:11 SnipedSoul wrote:
I can't believe that $10 is such a huge amount of money for people. If you have trouble scraping together $10 for a weekend of SC2 you might want to get off the computer and look for a job. Spoken like a person who doesn't earn his own money. Or a person who doesn't pay bills. Or maybe just spoken like a person who prioritizes SC2 above everything else? In any case, $10 (abt 6 pounds for me) is equivalent to 3 meals or 3 days of public transport (and I have a job, besides being a student - fortunately that will change next month). Going to a barcraft is even more costly - that's at least 10 pounds, not including transport, if you want to have some grub and a drink. Sundance was kind enough to understand. To be fair, MLG did lower the prices for Spring Arena for more base number of games {(4x4x3)+[(8x5)+(2x7)]} = 92 as opposed to (16x3x2 - Variables) = >96. But still, no need tell people to off - it's their money, their right to question what they do with their money. I do prioritize SC2 above everything else. Money spent on MLG and GSL+GSTL tickets is at least 50% of my entertainment budget. I've paid my own way through 4 years of university. I only spend money on food, rent, utilities, and SC2. I never eat out, I never buy coffee or bottled water, and I rarely drink. I bet if most of the people complaining about the cost took a close look at their spending they would find that $10 is not much at all compared to all the random stuff they spend money on. Hell, a single drink at a bar is at least $5 around here and that lasts for maybe 10 minutes. A single pack of cigarettes is upwards of $12 here. A burger, fries, and a drink at any fast food place is usually at least $8. $10 is not a lot of money for 25+ hours of SC2. My friend went to a movie the other day and it was $12 just to get in the theater, nevermind the cost of drinks and snacks. A movie is less than 2 hours long, too.
Nice! Me too, paid my way through uni, and I'll be free man next week! yay! no debt! And I also spend a lot of time watching SC2. lol, we have a lot in common. I do spend money for gym, bought my yearly lite pass for the GSL and MLG membership , also now pretty much my entertainment budget is non-existent. I also can never eat out, etc etc. I make my own coffee, so that's okay. I quit smoking, which also a big plus. Rent is a real killer though.
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$10 is not a lot of money for 25+ hours of SC2. My friend went to a movie the other day and it was $12 just to get in the theater, nevermind the cost of drinks and snacks. A movie is less than 2 hours long, too.[/QUOTE]
You sir just won, and the funnitest thing about it is that people dont realize this is like the best 10 dollar dvd you have ever bought, you get all of these on VOD....... HELLLOOOOOOOOO>??!?!?
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On April 21 2012 13:06 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:02 ke_ivan wrote:
I don't mind paying, but the thing is, i'm not sure if this is worth $20. (Ok, I have a gold membership so it's $10). The problem is that I already paid $20 for a lot of players (32 players!), which resulted in more diverse games. This time it's pool play from only 8 players that advance to the round of 6. Of course this means more games, but less diversity, more tiredness and once fatigue kicks in, then game play generally drops. I would pay $10, so thankfully, for me, I have a gold membership already. But others might not be so lucky. This arena is $10 for everyone. $30 for all 3 spring events or $15 for all spring events if you have gold.
Wait, there are 3 spring events? So 3 spring arenas? Because Spring Championships are free for gold membership holders.
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Not bad imo. I spend ten bucks every morning on my way to work for coffee and smokes.
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