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On April 21 2012 11:12 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 10:58 Tntnnbltn wrote:What is it about this particular tournament that requires them to charge so much more money than anyone else? They pay travel + accommodation for all of the players. it is only 8 players . Gom pays for whole foreigner house all year and still has a free stream.
Yeah, that free stream for the first four Code A games the other night was excellent... oh wait...
On April 21 2012 11:47 kyllinghest wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. Just like MLG is entitled to have tournaments that cost money, we as customers are entitled to have an opinion about it. While I in many ways agree with you, I still think this is a crappy way to do things by MLG. I think its borderline arrogant that they don't even provide a 360p stream of the main stage to their own Gold customers. Its absurd, and Im never paying them a single dollar again.
You get exactly what gold membership gave you last year, HD access to the big MLG events. The arenas are added events.
Its not arrogant, its running a sustainable business.
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On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free.
We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time.
In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament?
Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days?
Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames.
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Ah QXC casting is always so awesome ever since he cast the GSL in Korea.
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On April 21 2012 12:00 Gackt_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time. In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament? Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days? Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames.
The Starcraft community is not supposed to say 'no' to this sort of thing. We are not required to do anything of the sort. If you don't like it, then don't watch. There a plenty of people like myself who are happy to support MLG and the players. I would rather have a direct relationship with the people providing me with entertainment than hope the sponsors keep paying them. But don't come and whine about it or saddle the whole community with your sense of entitlement. Most entertainment cost money in some way shape or form.
Also, I believe the Pro Brood War was shown on a Korean cable network, which I assume was paid for in some way. Cable is not free, most TV isn't.
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We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time.
In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament?
Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days?
Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames.
This is a special event. Companies have to earn money somehow either thru PPV or sponsors. With the number of tournaments increasing, there just aren't enough sponsors to go around. Also, sponsors are likely more attract to high viewer numbers that games like LoL bring in. That is why MLG are trying to be more sponsor independent. For some people, they don't want to pay and that is fine. But others might feel the entertainment value is justified.
The last paragraph is just stupid. So the Starcraft community is cheap and will not pay for anything?
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I am in the same situation, paid for a long priod of gold, so disappointed. "Get all the action live" didn't mean all the action after all.
I've paid for MLG since they started their paid services, but Im not paying them another dollar ever again. What is it about this particular tournament that requires them to charge so much more money than anyone else?
So am I the only one who just got home and can't watch the the PPV because it's saying I don't have an Spring Pass?
I think its borderline arrogant that they don't even provide a 360p stream of the main stage to their own Gold customers. Its absurd, and Im never paying them a single dollar again
Yeah, I'm pretty mad that my gold membership doesn't get me an 8 player stupid arena, especially when I thought the gold membership would get me the arenas: they promise all pro circuit events, and the pro circuit event page lists the frigging arenas. It's deceptive. They won't get any money from me ever again.
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to be fair if you go to a sports game it cost money but you can still watch it LIVE on tv for free... i don't understand why they can't just add in like 2X the amount of ads. i am sure they would atleast get 20k more ppl,
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On April 21 2012 12:17 IcedteaSC2 wrote:
to be fair if you go to a sports game it cost money but you can still watch it LIVE on tv for free... i don't understand why they can't just add in like 2X the amount of ads. i am sure they would atleast get 20k more ppl,
Because the TV stations you watch it on cost money. Monday night foot ball is on ESPN, which you need to pay to watch.
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On April 21 2012 11:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
You get exactly what gold membership gave you last year, HD access to the big MLG events. The arenas are added events.
Its not arrogant, its running a sustainable business.
"Gold Membership is a great way to get access to the best that MLG has to offer."
I still think its unbelievable that Im not provided with any kind of crappy stream. Long live E-business.
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to be fair if you go to a sports game it cost money but you can still watch it LIVE on tv for free... i don't understand why they can't just add in like 2X the amount of ads. i am sure they would atleast get 20k more ppl,
You need sponsors to buy the ads first...
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On April 21 2012 12:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 12:00 Gackt_ wrote:On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time. In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament? Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days? Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames. The Starcraft community is not supposed to say 'no' to this sort of thing. We are not required to do anything of the sort. If you don't like it, then don't watch. There a plenty of people like myself who are happy to support MLG and the players. I would rather have a direct relationship with the people providing me with entertainment than hope the sponsors keep paying them. But don't come and whine about it or saddle the whole community with your sense of entitlement. Most entertainment cost money in some way shape or form. Also, I believe the Pro Brood War was shown on a Korean cable network, which I assume was paid for in some way. Cable is not free, most TV isn't.
Well, I at least wont pay 10-15 dollars a month for 10 more years to watch progames at least which includes 2-3 days a month of content. Like GomTV is alright cuz that's a serious amount of games and the very best players and so on. It's like paying 3 dollars for 20(?) days of content or something at GomTV. A serious diffrence.
And by paying for cable you get alot of other channels aswell. They never paid to watch BW. They paid (still pay) to even be able to watch TV at all...which probably means like hundreds of channels.
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On April 21 2012 12:17 IcedteaSC2 wrote:
to be fair if you go to a sports game it cost money but you can still watch it LIVE on tv for free... i don't understand why they can't just add in like 2X the amount of ads. i am sure they would atleast get 20k more ppl,
Watch it free like this? You get to watch SOME games free, not all. I think your analogy to MLG is more accurate than you intended it to be.
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On April 21 2012 12:28 Gackt_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 12:10 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2012 12:00 Gackt_ wrote:On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time. In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament? Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days? Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames. The Starcraft community is not supposed to say 'no' to this sort of thing. We are not required to do anything of the sort. If you don't like it, then don't watch. There a plenty of people like myself who are happy to support MLG and the players. I would rather have a direct relationship with the people providing me with entertainment than hope the sponsors keep paying them. But don't come and whine about it or saddle the whole community with your sense of entitlement. Most entertainment cost money in some way shape or form. Also, I believe the Pro Brood War was shown on a Korean cable network, which I assume was paid for in some way. Cable is not free, most TV isn't. Well, I at least wont pay 10-15 dollars a month for 10 more years to watch progames at least which includes 2-3 days a month of content. Like GomTV is alright cuz that's a serious amount of games and the very best players and so on. It's like paying 3 dollars for 20(?) days of content or something at GomTV. A serious diffrence. And by paying for cable you get alot of other channels aswell. They never paid to watch BW. They paid (still pay) to even be able to watch TV at all...which probably means like hundreds of channels.
I will take the quality that MLG offers over GOM. I enjoy the casters and games more. I can watch it live as well.
Also, most cable bills run around $100-$200 monthly. Most movie tickets cost $11 for three hours. Hours of entertainment is not something I take into account, since it varies wildly on what I am viewing. I bought a book for $12 and it will last me for like 15 hours or so.
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This is the real world - tournaments cost money to be produced. You have to pay for things you want. Yes it would be great if everything in the world was free, but its not.
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On April 21 2012 12:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 12:28 Gackt_ wrote:On April 21 2012 12:10 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2012 12:00 Gackt_ wrote:On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time. In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament? Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days? Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames. The Starcraft community is not supposed to say 'no' to this sort of thing. We are not required to do anything of the sort. If you don't like it, then don't watch. There a plenty of people like myself who are happy to support MLG and the players. I would rather have a direct relationship with the people providing me with entertainment than hope the sponsors keep paying them. But don't come and whine about it or saddle the whole community with your sense of entitlement. Most entertainment cost money in some way shape or form. Also, I believe the Pro Brood War was shown on a Korean cable network, which I assume was paid for in some way. Cable is not free, most TV isn't. Well, I at least wont pay 10-15 dollars a month for 10 more years to watch progames at least which includes 2-3 days a month of content. Like GomTV is alright cuz that's a serious amount of games and the very best players and so on. It's like paying 3 dollars for 20(?) days of content or something at GomTV. A serious diffrence. And by paying for cable you get alot of other channels aswell. They never paid to watch BW. They paid (still pay) to even be able to watch TV at all...which probably means like hundreds of channels. I will take the quality that MLG offers over GOM. I enjoy the casters and games more. I can watch it live as well. Also, most cable bills run around $100-$200 monthly. Most movie tickets cost $11 for three hours. Hours of entertainment is not something I take into account, since it varies wildly on what I am viewing. I bought a book for $12 and it will last me for like 15 hours or so.
maybe in your country the cable is 100-200$ but i highly doubt that it's even close to that in korea. rofl
People download movies, why? Most people dont wanna pay those 11$ for 2-3hr long movies. It's the same thing now, people are re-streaming as an example to protest that the price for amount of content is not okay..oh well.. But as long as you are satisfied and feel good about it, I guess it makes it all okay to pay for everything.
I wonder how many who actually pays for the games this week, do we have any numbers yet?
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On April 21 2012 11:47 kyllinghest wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. Just like MLG is entitled to have tournaments that cost money, we as customers are entitled to have an opinion about it. While I in many ways agree with you, I still think this is a crappy way to do things by MLG. I think its borderline arrogant that they don't even provide a 360p stream of the main stage to their own Gold customers. Its absurd, and Im never paying them a single dollar again.
Thanks for your reply, it does help me understand it a little more.
I completely agree that you have a right to an opinion about it, and should be able to express it as much as possible. I just wanted to criticise the opinions of some people who argue that MLG doesn't have the right to charge money for an event. I think It's ethical and factually okay for them to do so. I just wanted to stress that point.
I disagree that it's arrogant of them to not provide a free stream (even to gold members as it's a separate event - I'm a gold member myself), but I can certainly see how many people would feel that way. It was rather sudden of them to break the mould and place a pay wall on some of their events, but the outcome of them doing already seems to be creating a self-sustaining atmosphere which is really good for the future financial security of these players (who we should all on some level admire for committing their lives to pro-gaming despite the risks).
I respect that you deemed their product not worth the money and decided to not pay for it. That's exactly how it should work .
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On April 21 2012 12:44 Gackt_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 12:35 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2012 12:28 Gackt_ wrote:On April 21 2012 12:10 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2012 12:00 Gackt_ wrote:On April 21 2012 11:36 BookII wrote:The amount of self-entitlement in this thread is astounding. If you don't think the product they produce is worth your money, don't buy it. But MLG has every right to charge money for their product. On April 21 2012 10:39 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This really frustrates me. I know restreams exist but they're not of the same quality and frankly, it's absurd that I should have to pay to watch ads anyway. MLG is a fantastic competition, but forcing viewers to pay is strangling e-Sports when it should be growing the fastest.
No. They aren't forcing you to do anything. They are providing a product which you can pay for or not. There is no ads on stream. On April 21 2012 11:13 Gackt_ wrote:
I just need to make a point here,
if they host a tournament and they dont have enough sponsor money so that the viewers need to pay to watch the games they shouldnt host a tournament at all. Just my opinion. The sponsors are there to sponsor so we (the viewers) dont have to pay and so there are prizemoney, production salary and travelmoney for the players. Thats at least how it works normally what I know.. Sponsors aren't around to have your back. They support a product (an MLG arena in this case) to further their own brand and increase exposure and hopefully revenue. The PPV model for these events exists to make it self-sustaining without the need to completely rely on brands wanting to always support the product. They have every right to host a tournament and charge for it, just as you have every right to watch it and pay for it if you think it is worth it. I know what I'm saying is not new and has been said in threads like these a million times. But it's just bizarre to me how entitled people feel towards getting E-sports products for free. We have NEVER paid to watch gaming-tournaments before as much as today. So many times over and over. And by paying them we encourage and accept it and they will keep charge people to watch the games all the time. In the end people will realize what a waste it was and what they could spend all that money on instead. I simply dont think it's okay to charge money all the time to watch progames in proper quality. This is a culture that grows all the time and are we just gonna sit down and log into our paypal accounts and accept that they want money for each and every tournament? Did the koreans pay to watch BW progames on TV back in the days? Like... I dont get it. We are the Starcraft community? We are supposed to say "no" to these kind of things. It's the WoW-community that accepts paying for all extra stuff, like serverchange, namechanges, monthly fee etc, not the Starcraft community. My point is, they accept paying for alot, they basically waste money. We shouldnt do the same but in this case watching progames. The Starcraft community is not supposed to say 'no' to this sort of thing. We are not required to do anything of the sort. If you don't like it, then don't watch. There a plenty of people like myself who are happy to support MLG and the players. I would rather have a direct relationship with the people providing me with entertainment than hope the sponsors keep paying them. But don't come and whine about it or saddle the whole community with your sense of entitlement. Most entertainment cost money in some way shape or form. Also, I believe the Pro Brood War was shown on a Korean cable network, which I assume was paid for in some way. Cable is not free, most TV isn't. Well, I at least wont pay 10-15 dollars a month for 10 more years to watch progames at least which includes 2-3 days a month of content. Like GomTV is alright cuz that's a serious amount of games and the very best players and so on. It's like paying 3 dollars for 20(?) days of content or something at GomTV. A serious diffrence. And by paying for cable you get alot of other channels aswell. They never paid to watch BW. They paid (still pay) to even be able to watch TV at all...which probably means like hundreds of channels. I will take the quality that MLG offers over GOM. I enjoy the casters and games more. I can watch it live as well. Also, most cable bills run around $100-$200 monthly. Most movie tickets cost $11 for three hours. Hours of entertainment is not something I take into account, since it varies wildly on what I am viewing. I bought a book for $12 and it will last me for like 15 hours or so. maybe in your country the cable is 100-200$ but i highly doubt that it's even close to that in korea. rofl People download movies, why? Most people dont wanna pay those 11$ for 2-3hr long movies. It's the same thing now, people are re-streaming as an example to protest that the price for amount of content is not okay..oh well.. But as long as you are satisfied and feel good about it, I guess it makes it all okay to pay for everything. I wonder how many who actually pays for the games this week, do we have any numbers yet?
Well the re-steamers are, to be frank, jerks to do not respect the hard work people put into these events. Protest by not buying the stream, but not by stealing the content.
To put it another way, many candy bars and cans of soda cost about $1. If you think this event is worth 10 candy bars or 10 soda, you should pay. Also, Dunken Donuts pays $9.50 an hour where I am from. So, the stream is worth about one hour of work at Dunken Donuts.
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I really like it. The PPV gives me an excuse to basically throw parties with my friends every time there is an event. I buy and they all give me a few dollars(I end up losing money, but thats ok xD)
Also I am much happier now that I can buy a season pass and get everything in one package. People need to grow up and realize that everything you want is not going to be handed to you. These events probably wouldn't happen if they weren't PPV so complaining that they are is like saying "If I cant have it nobody should"
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I don't mind paying, but the thing is, i'm not sure if this is worth $20. (Ok, I have a gold membership so it's $10). The problem is that I already paid $20 for a lot of players (32 players!), which resulted in more diverse games. This time it's pool play from only 8 players that advance to the round of 6. Of course this means more games, but less diversity, more tiredness and once fatigue kicks in, then game play generally drops. I would pay $10, so thankfully, for me, I have a gold membership already. But others might not be so lucky.
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On April 21 2012 13:02 ke_ivan wrote:
I don't mind paying, but the thing is, i'm not sure if this is worth $20. (Ok, I have a gold membership so it's $10). The problem is that I already paid $20 for a lot of players (32 players!), which resulted in more diverse games. This time it's pool play from only 8 players that advance to the round of 6. Of course this means more games, but less diversity, more tiredness and once fatigue kicks in, then game play generally drops. I would pay $10, so thankfully, for me, I have a gold membership already. But others might not be so lucky.
This arena is $10 for everyone. $30 for all 3 spring events or $15 for all spring events if you have gold.
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