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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:43 mrmyers wrote: but not on the mlg page via the incognito bug which is fixed ofc there are probably still freestreams and other bugs I am watching on the MLG page via the incognito bug. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:44 Arghmyliver wrote: How about a Pay What You Can method? Then rich people can contribute $300 and poor people can still watch. Seems reasonable. Works for Del Tha Funkee Homosapien. If only compromise was not viewed as a weakness in society. Then maybe we could all get along. Alas. then there would be like 10 people donating a few bucks and thousands watching since its free | ||
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Astro-Penguin
554 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:44 Forikorder wrote: then there would be like 10 people donating a few bucks and thousands watching since its free People really need to stop responding to this guy... | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:45 Astro-Penguin wrote: People really need to stop responding to this guy... how am i wrong? MLG did a PPV event becuase not enough people were paying for memberships so they needed to explore other ways to make money | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:43 mrmyers wrote: but not on the mlg page via the incognito bug which is fixed ofc there are probably still freestreams and other bugs its not about the fact if they did actually fix it or not but that they give a shit about their paying subscribers and shut off the stream at a crucial moment just in order to get some more $$$ ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KjWto.jpg) | ||
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eLeVaTioN
United States97 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:41 FindMeInKenya wrote: Not saying PPV isn't a valid method but I believe there's definitely a better way of doing things. They can do some actuarial science and construct a sustainable model or cut down cost (don't tell me there's no room, there's always room) while inflicting minimal production lost. SC2's target audience is mainly the adolescence and early young adult group thus PPV most likely not going to be sustainable in the long run. I never argued that the price was right for the model nor that there couldn't be other options than just a PPV model, because there are more options but a PPV model is just one option that is viable and this Arena proved that. Will they cut down the cost for the next Arenas if they are PPV? Probably, Sundance himself said that's a very good possibility. Secondly MLG announced that they were working to package things differently, so similarly to the GSL, you would be able to buy a season pass that would include everything, championship events and Arena events to watch, and I believe there will be more options to come soon, possibly something with television deals, something Sundance said he was looking into doing this year too. IMO they should run some what similar to GSL in that if you buy an Arena pass, then you will have access to the VoD, while no buyers will only be able to watch the first game, or perhaps do that for main events and if you bought a pass for HD streams, then the VoD will be in HD for you while those who did not buy it can only watch VoD in low quality. Yes there are more options to build a more sustainable model, but right now they're just in the early stages of doing so. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:49 Forikorder wrote: how am i wrong? MLG did a PPV event becuase not enough people were paying for memberships so they needed to explore other ways to make money He's talking about Arghmyliver, not you. He's saying that you shouldn't reply to him since you're feeding a troll. I don't really think he's trolling, just a little dim. Whatever. | ||
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mrmyers
4 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:51 LuckoftheIrish wrote: He's talking about Arghmyliver, not you. He's saying that you shouldn't reply to him since you're feeding a troll. I don't really think he's trolling, just a little dim. Whatever. I just wanted to say that this guy is probably affiliated to MLG and trys to cover that shit up while it was working for the last 2 days nonstop for me eversince the blackout it looks like : ![[image loading]](http://www.imagebanana.com/view/u28it8sn/proof.jpg) | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:43 mrmyers wrote: but not on the mlg page via the incognito bug which is fixed ofc there are probably still freestreams and other bugs its not about the fact if they did actually fix it or not but that they give a shit about their paying subscribers and shut off the stream at a crucial moment just in order to get some more $$$ Are you on a crusade to post this wrong information on every MLG thread? | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:43 Forikorder wrote: it didnt outside Korea where pretty mcuh everyone tuned in talk to any foreigner during BW theyll tell you about spending more to get to a tournament then the tournament offered That's just BW and yes that's true. -_- Then again, we didn't have that many tournaments to begin with. Only so many LANs and most of us were still in school, so it really was more of a hobby than anything else. Grass roots my brother! | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:53 mrmyers wrote: I just wanted to say that this guy is probably affiliated to MLG and trys to cover that shit up while it was working for the last 2 days nonstop for me eversince the blackout it looks like : Yes, the stream stopped working after the blackout with Chrome Incognito mode. After about 5 mins, I restarted Chrome and it was free again. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On February 27 2012 09:08 ASLRightNow wrote: Advertisers need to see that something is profitable before they will pay for ad space. advertisers couldn't give two shit if MLG is profitable or not. All they care about is how many of their ads will be seen by viewers | ||
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Ampster
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Personally, I like the model of having a free stream option with ads more, I like having more options provided than less. I feel the model is more accessible and keeps everyone happy. This is just a theory crafting of the my most preferred model in specific details, + Show Spoiler + Event having a free stream and premium access (PPV) The free stream and PPV stream are separate, •Free stream: has ads during the break and is in low resolution (240p, 360p, or 480p at most) •PPV stream: no ads, has additional contents during the breaks and can be viewed in all resolutions (HD/HQ). *The additional contents can be: The event Behind the Scenes, sessions of in-depth analysis from game played previously in the event by the player(s) or the caster(s), players' personality stuff like short documentary or interview, player's specials, etc. Small structure •1 free stream: show games and has ads on break (no stream customization) [LQ stream] •1 PPV stream: show games and has additional contents instead of ads on break. [HQ stream] *has a stream customization features like viewing a player's first person view and customization layout, etc. *PPV viewers have VoDs access and rebroadcast access while free viewers can only watch it live. *PPV viewers might get a chance to win a signature of the players and win prizes (token) through drawing. *Behind the scenes and other stuffs are almost available in VoDs format for PPV viewers. *Special events held for only PPV viewers to interact with the players (Player's coaching, 2v2s, etc). Price for premium access @ $5 per event -has lesser games shown and cheaper. Most suitable for an event that either •has small player pools •has low production or budget: resulting to show less games. Larger structure •2 or more free streams: show games and has ads on break (no stream customization) [LQ stream] •2 or more PPV streams: show games and has additional contents instead of ads on break. [HQ stream] *has a stream customization features like viewing a player's first person view and customization layout, etc. •1 additional PPV stream for extra contents (player CCTV, 4v4s, room for interaction with players, etc) acts as a filler stream. *PPV viewers have VoDs access and rebroadcast access while free viewers can only watch it live. *PPV viewers might get a chance to win a signature of the players and win prizes (token) through drawing. *Behind the scenes and other stuffs are almost available in VoDs format for PPV viewers. *Special events held for only PPV viewers to interact with the players (Player's coaching, 2v2s, etc). Price for premium access: $10 or more -has more games and contents,available but costs more. Most suitable for an event that either •has larger player pools •has open bracket qualifiers: resulting many games •could afford multiple streams •has a higher budget I would like the say that the paying for watching events in HD with ads during the break could work as well. But, its just my personal preference that if I pay to watch something, I usually don't like watching ads that much that's all. In the end, its just a matter keeping everyone happy; the organizers, the players, the casters, the staffs, the live viewers, the PPV viewers, the free viewers and finding a perfect balance between the contents provided to the PPV and free viewers that the PPV viewers don't feel ripoff and are provided with additional contents and features instead of limiting access to free viewers. | ||
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IMoperator
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TheResidentEvil
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