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On February 27 2012 09:02 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:57 Astro-Penguin wrote:
From a ethical perspective yes it is the right choice, but that doesn't change the fact that the paying customers are being screwed over, I would even be happy with an apology and future initiative to fix this problem as a compensation which is hopefully and likely to be addressed after the event. I never said I felt worse about myself either, I feel just rather angry that others are getting the same if not better quality of product where as myself as an honest contributor is getting shafted, basically I just want myself and others to be recognized for our honesty, call me selfish but I think that with the given price for this event its the least we deserve.
Watching a restream ONLY hurts the production organisation directly. Don't fool yourself that it hurts players and teams. If the prize pool was directly a percentage of revenue, that is the only way it can hurt the players or teams directly. That being said, the restreaming was mostly from russian or eastern EU stream sites. They were not easy to find, and they were unstable at best. The number of people watching a restream was fairly low. As such the lost biz was minimal.
Where did they lose something cause of the restreams? Saying this pretends, that the people watching them would have bought them without the possibility to watch them for free...
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On February 27 2012 08:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:35 Arghmyliver wrote:
I watched this MLG for free. The production was great. People have told me that "The price is fine, dont be cheap." I'm not cheap, I just don't have $20. I place little to no value on money, my lifestyle is efficient, comfortable, and affordable. I feel like it was the contribution of the community that allowed people like MLG to make any money in the first place. So charging me for this content is insulting, demeaning, and frankly - shows that MLG is so profit driven that they can't see past their own paychecks. It has been sad for me to watch SC grow from humble roots, to a strong, community driven flourish and now fall to the corrupt and disgustingly immoral capitalist dogma that hinders our species as a whole. PLEASE make this a "pay what you can" event. PLEASE understand that without the community you are nothing. and PLEASE do not become AMERICAN POLITICS. Think of how bad that stigma is. How dare you. Get off your high horse, recognize how ridiculous you sound, and join the rest of us in reality.
Reality sucks, doing my best to change it.
Plaes Halp?
I love you.
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On February 27 2012 09:06 VanillaSky wrote:
two words
ad revenue
Do you seriously believe that they make back what they spend every year just from ad revenue? They run their own internet streams, this isn't mainstream TV. Again, that's something Sundance has openly come out and talked about, they don't make enough back from just ad revenue, so what other choice do they have, or any other league will have for that matter?
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I don't mind that they charged for this event, but $20 seems excessive. I've gotten entire GSL seasons for $10 in the past; why would I want to pay double for a single weekend?
I think something more in the range of 5-10$ would be more reasonable.
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On February 27 2012 09:12 Thingdo wrote:
I don't mind that they charged for this event, but $20 seems excessive. I've gotten entire GSL seasons for $10 in the past; why would I want to pay double for a single weekend?
I think something more in the range of 5-10$ would be more reasonable.
and sundance has said the price will almost certainly go down
theyve said time and time again 20$ is an experiment theyd rather enver go above 20 then start at 10 and go to 20
everyone has said that they all know that PPV is something that has to happen to E-Sports to continue existing, theyve all said that MLG will jsut be the first and for any organization to continue giving tournaments they absolutely have to start actually making money on there own so there not 100% dependant on sponsors
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On February 27 2012 08:56 ninjamyst wrote:
Can ANYONE list reasons how this PPV tournament is better than say....Dreamhack or HSC4?? Please do enlighten me.
HSC4 had what? They had MC, MKP, Stephano and JYP, the rest of the competition may have been good EU players but not the top stars people really want to see, while this Arena had many of the top players and many of the games played were amazing with many upsets and surprises while HSC4 was basically MC dominating just about everyone he played including a 4-0 sweep in the finals which wasn't even that fun to watch because of the it. Not to mention this Arena had 4 streams that you could watch simultaneously that would always have good match ups going on, you can't really compare this Arena to anything else.
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On February 27 2012 09:20 eLeVaTioN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:56 ninjamyst wrote:
Can ANYONE list reasons how this PPV tournament is better than say....Dreamhack or HSC4?? Please do enlighten me. HSC4 had what? They had MC, MKP, Stephano and JYP, the rest of the competition may have been good EU players but not the top stars people really want to see, while this Arena had many of the top players and many of the games played were amazing with many upsets and surprises while HSC4 was basically MC dominating just about everyone he played including a 4-0 sweep in the finals which wasn't even that fun to watch because of the it. Not to mention this Arena had 4 streams that you could watch simultaneously that would always have good match ups going on, you can't really compare this Arena to anything else.
Most of the games between the huge names were cheese fest tho. :/
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On February 27 2012 09:11 eLeVaTioN wrote:Do you seriously believe that they make back what they spend every year just from ad revenue? They run their own internet streams, this isn't mainstream TV. Again, that's something Sundance has openly come out and talked about, they don't make enough back from just ad revenue, so what other choice do they have, or any other league will have for that matter?
There's always sponsorship & product placement. And didn't MLG get some doe from Riot?
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So what I'm reading here is - In order to succeed - you have to submit to the yoke of capitalism. I would rather be embraced by the warmth of love. It will be harder, but I would rather have a tangled path than an iron cell.
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On February 27 2012 09:11 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 08:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On February 27 2012 08:35 Arghmyliver wrote:
I watched this MLG for free. The production was great. People have told me that "The price is fine, dont be cheap." I'm not cheap, I just don't have $20. I place little to no value on money, my lifestyle is efficient, comfortable, and affordable. I feel like it was the contribution of the community that allowed people like MLG to make any money in the first place. So charging me for this content is insulting, demeaning, and frankly - shows that MLG is so profit driven that they can't see past their own paychecks. It has been sad for me to watch SC grow from humble roots, to a strong, community driven flourish and now fall to the corrupt and disgustingly immoral capitalist dogma that hinders our species as a whole. PLEASE make this a "pay what you can" event. PLEASE understand that without the community you are nothing. and PLEASE do not become AMERICAN POLITICS. Think of how bad that stigma is. How dare you. Get off your high horse, recognize how ridiculous you sound, and join the rest of us in reality. Reality sucks, doing my best to change it. Plaes Halp? I love you.
Obvious troll.
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On February 27 2012 09:08 ASLRightNow wrote:Advertisers need to see that something is profitable before they will pay for ad space.
Advertisers will see right through statistics from a single PPV event, vs a regular convention centre event and the numbers related to that. Furthermore, the statistics for viewerships and in-person attendance are MUCH higher at a convention centre even vs a stream only event.
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On February 27 2012 09:21 FindMeInKenya wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 09:11 eLeVaTioN wrote:On February 27 2012 09:06 VanillaSky wrote:
two words
ad revenue Do you seriously believe that they make back what they spend every year just from ad revenue? They run their own internet streams, this isn't mainstream TV. Again, that's something Sundance has openly come out and talked about, they don't make enough back from just ad revenue, so what other choice do they have, or any other league will have for that matter? There's always sponsorship & product placement. And didn't MLG get some doe from Riot?
Sundance has said thats not enough, there losing money with every event and all there competitors are doing the same
with any luck winter arena made enough money to show that MLG wille eventually be able to make a profit
On February 27 2012 09:21 Arghmyliver wrote:
So what I'm reading here is - In order to succeed - you have to submit to the yoke of capitalism. I would rather be embraced by the warmth of love. It will be harder, but I would rather have a tangled path than an iron cell.
so youd rather starve to death with some close friends then go on and live with the same close friends?
your making it sound like some terrible thing the main MLG events will still be free there will jsut be special events held that will be PPV
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And the stream is currently crashed in what could be the final game. Truly - it was worth every cent - the unit used to measure your life's successes - that you spent on this glorious product.
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On February 27 2012 09:24 Arghmyliver wrote:
And the stream is currently crashed in what could be the final game. Truly - it was worth every cent - the unit used to measure your life's successes - that you spent on this glorious product.
one stream is down, 3 others still up
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On February 27 2012 09:21 Noocta wrote:
Most of the games between the huge names were cheese fest tho. :/
I can't disagree with that, but that shows that everyone was trying their hardest to win. Opposed to other events, every game in this Arena meant something, and the players still gave a good show by not giving up. Despite the cheese, they still have my respect for not throwing games away.
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You know - you guys are making a lot of stink about how much I love every single one of you : P. ♥
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I must say, I am out of state at the moment and had not much time this weekend to watch the event. Thus, Not willing to pay 20$...but I do have a couple of minutes now and the finals are going. Would love an option to pay $1-$5 for just the finals or heck gimme the finals for free! Some of us don't have 10 hours a day during weekends lol.
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On February 27 2012 09:21 FindMeInKenya wrote:
There's always sponsorship & product placement. And didn't MLG get some doe from Riot?
They've had big sponsors for a number of years, yet Sundance is still saying that's not enough to at least break even. Again, every league will have to find a way to self-sustain and PPV events will be one method of doing so
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On February 27 2012 09:27 Sargonian wrote:
I must say, I am out of state at the moment and had not much time this weekend to watch the event. Thus, Not willing to pay 20$...but I do have a couple of minutes now and the finals are going. Would love an option to pay $1-$5 for just the finals or heck gimme the finals for free! Some of us don't have 10 hours a day during weekends lol.
why would they give the finals for free? thats just bad bussiness ruins the point of it being PPV
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I'd say, a multi-teir fee structure would be great, and would lure out even more paying customers. A $10 fee for a per diem (and you get all the vods) and a $20 for all 3 days would have been a better way to do it.
A free 240p stream (a 'la GOMTV) would be suitable for a free stream. Get those numbers for advert clients that way.
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