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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
February 26 2012 23:38 GMT
#4701
^ That being said, I love every single one of you. I would kiss your face a million times if it bettered our species and I would do so willingly simply if you asked me to. I'm not religious, I believe in one race - the human race. We don't need money, we need love. Support and show the love. ♥♥♥♥♥♥
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
February 26 2012 23:40 GMT
#4702
On February 27 2012 08:37 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Kind of disappointed that they aren't addressing the free viewing of the event (Unfair to people who actually paid tt), but overall this tournament has been a great success.


Honestly, it's not. Everyone knew there would be restreams or something that would allow not paying people to watch. (whether this be a bug or not doesnt matter). They still choose to pay to support MLG, and have a stream with no problems.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 26 2012 23:42 GMT
#4703
so sundance called this event a big success and confirmed two more events

make me wonder about actual numbers and if they managed to turn a legit profit over it
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:43:55
February 26 2012 23:42 GMT
#4704
wrong thread. -_-
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:46:01
February 26 2012 23:43 GMT
#4705
On February 27 2012 08:35 Arghmyliver wrote:
I watched this MLG for free. The production was great. People have told me that "The price is fine, dont be cheap." I'm not cheap, I just don't have $20. I place little to no value on money, my lifestyle is efficient, comfortable, and affordable. I feel like it was the contribution of the community that allowed people like MLG to make any money in the first place. So charging me for this content is insulting, demeaning, and frankly - shows that MLG is so profit driven that they can't see past their own paychecks. It has been sad for me to watch SC grow from humble roots, to a strong, community driven flourish and now fall to the corrupt and disgustingly immoral capitalist dogma that hinders our species as a whole. PLEASE make this a "pay what you can" event. PLEASE understand that without the community you are nothing. and PLEASE do not become AMERICAN POLITICS. Think of how bad that stigma is.


This makes me angry. I don't mean, it disappoints me, or i'm slightly annoyed by it, but I am actually angry by statements like this. I am sorry that someone try to be successful. I am sorry you don't personally care about money, or having a lifestyle different than your own. I am sorry you want MLG employee's to not make money to make your life better. I am sorry that we can't all do whatever we want without ever worrying about money and everyone would help each other.

Seriously, that is not how the world works. This isn't a fairy tale. I can understand complaining because you don't feel something is worth what they are charging, or not buying because you live in EU/work/are poor. But to bitch about the world because you dislike how it works is mind boggling. Charging you for dozens of peoples hard work in order to provide you entertainment is not insulting or demeaning. It is how these people LIVE. They aren't pocketing 90% profits and begging for more money for no reason, they aren't making money and have a ton of venture capital keeping their business going, and want to be more self reliant. If you don't want to support that than don't, but don't bitch and try to say the way the world works is unjust because MLG is wanting to charge money for an event.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 26 2012 23:45 GMT
#4706
On February 27 2012 08:42 Forikorder wrote:
so sundance called this event a big success and confirmed two more events

make me wonder about actual numbers and if they managed to turn a legit profit over it


Suggests that they did. Sundance was pretty clear in his various explanations that this was an experimental event and that if it didn't work, it wouldn't be repeated. I doubt we'll know anything official for a while if at all.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
February 26 2012 23:46 GMT
#4707
On February 27 2012 08:40 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 08:37 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Kind of disappointed that they aren't addressing the free viewing of the event (Unfair to people who actually paid tt), but overall this tournament has been a great success.


Honestly, it's not. Everyone knew there would be restreams or something that would allow not paying people to watch. (whether this be a bug or not doesnt matter). They still choose to pay to support MLG, and have a stream with no problems.


Re-streams can be shutdown and aren't to easy to find, and going into this If I'm going to donate my money I'm going to give it a much better cause, not that I don't support Starcraft 2 but I find it absurd that you think its okay that honest paying customers are basically paying under false pretense for something that everyone else has access to, even though its not directly MLG's fault I cant help but feel like I'm being screwed over.

and fyi the free steam is actually much smoother then the actual pay per view which is kind of unacceptable... take the time to think how you would feel if you paid 20 dollars for something you could get free with better quality, basically what your saying is that its okay to pay for an item that everyone else can get for free just because it "supports" an organization
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 26 2012 23:47 GMT
#4708
On February 27 2012 08:35 Arghmyliver wrote:
I watched this MLG for free. The production was great. People have told me that "The price is fine, dont be cheap." I'm not cheap, I just don't have $20. I place little to no value on money, my lifestyle is efficient, comfortable, and affordable. I feel like it was the contribution of the community that allowed people like MLG to make any money in the first place. So charging me for this content is insulting, demeaning, and frankly - shows that MLG is so profit driven that they can't see past their own paychecks. It has been sad for me to watch SC grow from humble roots, to a strong, community driven flourish and now fall to the corrupt and disgustingly immoral capitalist dogma that hinders our species as a whole. PLEASE make this a "pay what you can" event. PLEASE understand that without the community you are nothing. and PLEASE do not become AMERICAN POLITICS. Think of how bad that stigma is.


How dare you.

Get off your high horse, recognize how ridiculous you sound, and join the rest of us in reality.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 26 2012 23:48 GMT
#4709
On February 27 2012 08:46 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 08:40 solidbebe wrote:
On February 27 2012 08:37 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Kind of disappointed that they aren't addressing the free viewing of the event (Unfair to people who actually paid tt), but overall this tournament has been a great success.


Honestly, it's not. Everyone knew there would be restreams or something that would allow not paying people to watch. (whether this be a bug or not doesnt matter). They still choose to pay to support MLG, and have a stream with no problems.


Re-streams can be shutdown and aren't to easy to find, and going into this If I'm going to donate my money I'm going to give it a much better cause, not that I don't support Starcraft 2 but I find it absurd that you think its okay that honest paying customers are basically paying under false pretense for something that everyone else has access to, even though its not directly MLG's fault I cant help but feel like I'm being screwed over.

and fyi the free steam is actually much smoother then the actual pay per view which is kind of unacceptable... take the time to think how you would feel if you paid 20 dollars for something you could get free with better quality, basically what your saying is that its okay to pay for an item that everyone else can get for free just because it "supports" an organization


Just because people are stealing a product and screwing the teams and players they ostensibly support doesn't make me feel worse about myself. On the contrary, in fact. From a functional perspective, maybe I made a bad choice buying a pass. From a moral and ethical perspective, I made the right one.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
February 26 2012 23:48 GMT
#4710
I thought the production value was decent, though there were some issues (and there shouldn't have been concidering the cost) with the overlays displaying flipped information, etc. There was a bit more down time then I would have liked, and it got worse as the brackets got thinner. With as many matches going on, there should have been even less down time.

Unfortunately, with only paying customers able to watch the program, this still doesn't help E-sports grow. It shows that esports can be commercially successful, but only to existing fans who know about and enjoy Starcraft specifically. It does not allow for the growth of a fan base, only financially drawing from a specific fan base. I've seen other business models do the same, and if (more a question of when) other series are PPV as well, there will come a time that if enough Series' go PPV, the fan base will actually decrease, not increase.

The fact that Sundance has released that it was a success (the PPV was profitable) and that they want to do 2 more, means it was likely grossly profitable. Is that good for MLG? Sure. Is the prize pool nice for the players? Sure. Is it a great opportunity for the players for a trip all expense paid? Sure. Does it grow e-sports? No, it does not grow esports. Does it show to other series' that a PPV format is profitable? Yes.

One the major reasons the MLG Arena concept works, is that they do not have to rent a specific venue, and uses their existing office space, though remodelled. This greatly decreases the cost of the event, and thereby increases the profittability of the event.

Unfortunately, this concept is for one thing: maximizing profit. It does not permit growth of the fan base in any way.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 26 2012 23:49 GMT
#4711
On February 27 2012 08:43 draumr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 08:35 Arghmyliver wrote:
I watched this MLG for free. The production was great. People have told me that "The price is fine, dont be cheap." I'm not cheap, I just don't have $20. I place little to no value on money, my lifestyle is efficient, comfortable, and affordable. I feel like it was the contribution of the community that allowed people like MLG to make any money in the first place. So charging me for this content is insulting, demeaning, and frankly - shows that MLG is so profit driven that they can't see past their own paychecks. It has been sad for me to watch SC grow from humble roots, to a strong, community driven flourish and now fall to the corrupt and disgustingly immoral capitalist dogma that hinders our species as a whole. PLEASE make this a "pay what you can" event. PLEASE understand that without the community you are nothing. and PLEASE do not become AMERICAN POLITICS. Think of how bad that stigma is.


This makes me angry. I don't mean, it disappoints me, or i'm slightly annoyed by it, but I am actually angry by statements like this. I am sorry that someone try to be successful. I am sorry you don't personally care about money, or having a lifestyle different than your own. I am sorry you want MLG employee's to not make money to make your life better. I am sorry that we can't all do whatever we want without ever worrying about money and everyone would help each other.

Seriously, that is not how the world works. This isn't a fairy tale. I can understand complaining because you don't feel something is worth what they are charging, or not buying because you live in EU/work/are poor. But to bitch about the world because you dislike how it works is mind boggling. Charging you for dozens of peoples hard work in order to provide you entertainment is not insulting or demeaning. It is how these people LIVE. They aren't pocketing 90% profits and begging for more money for no reason, they aren't making money and have a ton of venture capital keeping their business going, and want to be more self reliant. If you don't want to support that than don't, but don't bitch and try to say the way the world works is unjust because MLG is wanting to charge money for an event.

its not that they cant look past there paychecks, there trying to actually be GETTING a paycheck
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
February 26 2012 23:49 GMT
#4712
On February 27 2012 08:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 08:35 Arghmyliver wrote:
I watched this MLG for free. The production was great. People have told me that "The price is fine, dont be cheap." I'm not cheap, I just don't have $20. I place little to no value on money, my lifestyle is efficient, comfortable, and affordable. I feel like it was the contribution of the community that allowed people like MLG to make any money in the first place. So charging me for this content is insulting, demeaning, and frankly - shows that MLG is so profit driven that they can't see past their own paychecks. It has been sad for me to watch SC grow from humble roots, to a strong, community driven flourish and now fall to the corrupt and disgustingly immoral capitalist dogma that hinders our species as a whole. PLEASE make this a "pay what you can" event. PLEASE understand that without the community you are nothing. and PLEASE do not become AMERICAN POLITICS. Think of how bad that stigma is.


How dare you.

Get off your high horse, recognize how ridiculous you sound, and join the rest of us in reality.


Honestly I agree with him in the sense that this esports community wasn't ready for the jump to 20 bucks.

If it was a totally free event that accepted paypal, and if I had a chance to watch more than half a day, I would have had no problem throwing 10 bucks at the event.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:53:52
February 26 2012 23:50 GMT
#4713
Fortunately, other events exist. Might be a problem if everyone goes PPV all the time and there's NO free content, but that's never going to happen.



Honestly I agree with him in the sense that this esports community wasn't ready for the jump to 20 bucks.

If it was a totally free event that accepted paypal, and if I had a chance to watch more than half a day, I would have had no problem throwing 10 bucks at the event.


I'm not denying price-point issues. The faux-socialism is a bit over-the-top though, don't you think?

Because if you don't, you've fallen victim to the CORRUPT AND DISGUSTINGLY IMMORAL CAPITALIST DOGMA that HINDERS OUR SPECIES AS A WHOLE. Because this isn't about me BEING TOO CHEAP TO BUY A PRODUCT I LIKE. The fate of HUMANITY, nay, the FATE OF ALL EXISTENCE IS AT STAKE.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 26 2012 23:51 GMT
#4714
On February 27 2012 08:50 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Fortunately, other events exist. Might be a problem if everyone goes PPV all the time and there's NO free content, but that's never going to happen.

MLGs main event is still going to be free, i dont get why people think that jsut becuase there throwing a couple small PPV events that all of a sudden everything will be PPV
VanillaSky
Profile Joined August 2010
41 Posts
February 26 2012 23:53 GMT
#4715
people paying for mlg are ruining esports. soon enough all events will cost money. you shall see, you all shall see
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:56:19
February 26 2012 23:54 GMT
#4716
On February 27 2012 08:48 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 08:46 Astro-Penguin wrote:
On February 27 2012 08:40 solidbebe wrote:
On February 27 2012 08:37 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Kind of disappointed that they aren't addressing the free viewing of the event (Unfair to people who actually paid tt), but overall this tournament has been a great success.


Honestly, it's not. Everyone knew there would be restreams or something that would allow not paying people to watch. (whether this be a bug or not doesnt matter). They still choose to pay to support MLG, and have a stream with no problems.


Re-streams can be shutdown and aren't to easy to find, and going into this If I'm going to donate my money I'm going to give it a much better cause, not that I don't support Starcraft 2 but I find it absurd that you think its okay that honest paying customers are basically paying under false pretense for something that everyone else has access to, even though its not directly MLG's fault I cant help but feel like I'm being screwed over.

and fyi the free steam is actually much smoother then the actual pay per view which is kind of unacceptable... take the time to think how you would feel if you paid 20 dollars for something you could get free with better quality, basically what your saying is that its okay to pay for an item that everyone else can get for free just because it "supports" an organization


Just because people are stealing a product and screwing the teams and players they ostensibly support doesn't make me feel worse about myself. On the contrary, in fact. From a functional perspective, maybe I made a bad choice buying a pass. From a moral and ethical perspective, I made the right one.


Stealing? I tuned into the MLG site and got the stream for free, am I supposed to put my fingers in my ears and cover my eyes going "NO THIS IS WRONG" no I am going to watch for free like I did.

Don't pretend we are sitting here with evil mustaches and some crazy hack that is letting us watch this, it's simply free for just about anyone.

its not that they cant look past there paychecks, there trying to actually be GETTING a paycheck


Judging by the pretty comfortable lifestyle sundance lives (look at his pictures on twitter) I am thinking he is getting a pretty decent paycheck. Can't speak for the rest of MLG staff.
Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
February 26 2012 23:56 GMT
#4717
I guess it's way too late to tell people this, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to tell people this, I can't confirm that this works because it doesn't for me but I heard that if you use google chrome in the private browsing mode with cookies disabled and adblock on you can just go to the mlg website and watch all quality streams for free. Like I said it doesn't work for everyone but I guess if you have chrome you could give it a shot.
I looked in the mirror and saw biupilm69t
malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
February 26 2012 23:56 GMT
#4718
I really dont see what the problem is, it's $20 and provided 3 days of great entertainment.

People reading into it like its some kind of monopolising conspiracy need to get off the internet for a few days and chill.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
February 26 2012 23:56 GMT
#4719
Can ANYONE list reasons how this PPV tournament is better than say....Dreamhack or HSC4?? Please do enlighten me.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
February 26 2012 23:56 GMT
#4720
On February 27 2012 08:56 malaan wrote:
I really dont see what the problem is, it's $20 and provided 3 days of great entertainment.

People reading into it like its some kind of monopolising conspiracy need to get off the internet for a few days and chill.


problem is that other tournaments provide the same or better entertainment and they charge nothing. DUH.
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