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sotaporo
Finland195 Posts
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On February 27 2012 06:54 Ercster wrote: Those tourneys are also losing money by doing so. MLG decided that they don't want to lose money, but rather gain some so they could continue to put more into their tourneys. A lot of people, you included, are either too close minded, don't know how a business works, or are just jumping on a band wagon. This is very upsetting because our community is supposed to be a very intelligent community, yet people are showing their lack of knowledge in a fundamental part of continuing to grow or maintain the SC2 scene. hahaha....i bet car salesman LOVES you. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On February 27 2012 06:59 Serelitz wrote: There's still 4 free events just like last year's events. These events are EXTRA to MAKE MONEY so that MLG can put out the same level of tournaments. If they don't charge money, there can probably not even be 4 free tournaments of this caliber next year. But still, you're complaining because you feel entitled, and you justify your rage with conspiracy theories. It's disgusting. Yeah another scare tactic I don't believe it considering last year MLG had record concurrent viewers that rivaled cable tv or whatever. I realize there is 4 free events this year. Last year SC2 brought MLG success and exposure widespread. Didn't they have more than 4 free events last year??? MLG has prove. They are not to be trusted with what shenanigans they pulled with the gold memberships. So I'd be wary to believe they are in grave danger and need to make it PPV to restrict 90% of the viewer base. It seems like MLG trying to maximize profit by screwing over the average SC2 fan who won't pay 20$ for a weekend event | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Also the people amuse me the most, that say they can watch the mlg streams for free, as their browser setup is hurting tournaments with free streams alot. Lastly the internet messes around the whole weekend ... really feel sad for mlg. Their test failed so heavily and not because of people not paying for it. | ||
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xHassassin
United States270 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:10 FeyFey wrote: its a bit embarrassing for the community that people so openly tell that they watch the stream for free (just because mlg can't do anything against this currently (the blocker is so bad, that denying restreams would hurt them even)) and seem to not feel any form of guilt. Also the people amuse me the most, that say they can watch the mlg streams for free, as their browser setup is hurting tournaments with free streams alot. Lastly the internet messes around the whole weekend ... really feel sad for mlg. Their test failed so heavily and not because of people not paying for it. It's a bit embarassing for MLG to report tremendous growth in 2011 and then turn 180 degrees and say their business model is failing and will die if you don't pay for this $20 PPV event. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:10 FeyFey wrote: its a bit embarrassing for the community that people so openly tell that they watch the stream for free (just because mlg can't do anything against this currently (the blocker is so bad, that denying restreams would hurt them even)) and seem to not feel any form of guilt. Also the people amuse me the most, that say they can watch the mlg streams for free, as their browser setup is hurting tournaments with free streams alot. Lastly the internet messes around the whole weekend ... really feel sad for mlg. Their test failed so heavily and not because of people not paying for it. Your post is kinda hard to read but i'll try to respond. I can watch the stream without getting any kind of question or popup for payment, i have no additional plugins to either Firefox or Chrome and it works on both. I don't feel guilty if a large company broadcasts something on their site that they want payment for but they can't even program a working payment popup/content block. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:14 xHassassin wrote: It's a bit embarassing for MLG to report tremendous growth in 2011 and then turn 180 degrees and say their business model is failing and will die if you don't pay for this $20 PPV event. Someones got to post that video last year of Sundance boasting. " I will do great things for SC2 as long as the views come in" and stuff like that loosely quoted. Lol then he turns around 180 and says we must support MLG or he gets mad. So after saying he will do great things he restricts more than half the tournaments of the year to 80% of the viewers and bait and switched gold memberships by calling the 6 PPV tourneys a difffeeent name. Can someone find his speech from Anaheim or Rapeign or Procide ce boasting about it? | ||
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:14 xHassassin wrote: It's a bit embarassing for MLG to report tremendous growth in 2011 and then turn 180 degrees and say their business model is failing and will die if you don't pay for this $20 PPV event. They didn't say that, you guys just like to reach to inconclusive points. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:18 karpo wrote: Your post is kinda hard to read but i'll try to respond. I can watch the stream without getting any kind of question or popup for payment, i have no additional plugins to either Firefox or Chrome and it works on both. I don't feel guilty if a large company broadcasts something on their site that they want payment for but they can't even program a working payment popup/content block. That's because of TwitchTV. Twitch is in charge of the stream and payment. | ||
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esotericc
449 Posts
A TV station doesn't make money solely off viewers they support themselves fully off of advertisement money, why are tournaments like MLG not being supported off advertisement money? Is it because it's not popular enough? I'm not even talking about stream ad revenue, I am litterally talking about a company paying X amount of money to advertise during MLG almost like commercials work on TV. How is this not working and PPV is the only choice? seems strange. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:10 FeyFey wrote: its a bit embarrassing for the community that people so openly tell that they watch the stream for free (just because mlg can't do anything against this currently (the blocker is so bad, that denying restreams would hurt them even)) and seem to not feel any form of guilt. Also the people amuse me the most, that say they can watch the mlg streams for free, as their browser setup is hurting tournaments with free streams alot. Lastly the internet messes around the whole weekend ... really feel sad for mlg. Their test failed so heavily and not because of people not paying for it. When you decide to do a PPV. You cannot just go, "Oh, let's try a PPV. It worked for the UFC. Why won't it work for us?" This goes beyond restreams and having the audience numbers to do it. You need to have all your logistics and security measures intact to minimize your losses as well. This is incredibly difficult to do and very expensive. -_- On February 27 2012 07:22 Ercster wrote: That's because of TwitchTV. YUP. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:22 Ercster wrote: That's because of TwitchTV. Twitch is in charge of the stream and payment. That doesn't really change anything. MLG are the ones who decided on what service provider they wanted for stream and payment. If Twitch can't solve this i won't lose any sleep watching the stream. It's not like i'm hacking or exploiting something, i just don't get any questions about paying and i can even switch streams without any problems. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:10 XRaDiiX wrote: Yeah another scare tactic I don't believe it considering last year MLG had record concurrent viewers that rivaled cable tv or whatever. I realize there is 4 free events this year. Last year SC2 brought MLG success and exposure widespread. Didn't they have more than 4 free events last year??? MLG has prove. They are not to be trusted with what shenanigans they pulled with the gold memberships. So I'd be wary to believe they are in grave danger and need to make it PPV to restrict 90% of the viewer base. It seems like MLG trying to maximize profit by screwing over the average SC2 fan who won't pay 20$ for a weekend event Do the math yourself. How much was paid for ads on the super bowl compared to the amount of viewers. It's not a whole lot. That means MLG relies on sponsorships, which means that as soon as companies decide to pull the plug, MLG dies. Period. The fans are there. If PPV + free events is self-sustainable, that means MLG is going to last. Even so, if MLG goes away I don't mind from a business perspective. What I mind is assholes claiming Sundance / MLG don't care and only want to make money. They want to be self-sustainable. There's a difference. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:23 esotericc wrote: I don't fully understand where this idea that we have to pay to keep having tournaments and support growth. A TV station doesn't make money solely off viewers they support themselves fully off of advertisement money, why are tournaments like MLG not being supported off advertisement money? Is it because it's not popular enough? I'm not even talking about stream ad revenue, I am litterally talking about a company paying X amount of money to advertise during MLG almost like commercials work on TV. How is this not working and PPV is the only choice? seems strange. PPV isn't the only choice, it's just the next logical one based on the size of the scene. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:23 karpo wrote: That doesn't really change anything. MLG are the ones who decided on what service provider they wanted for stream and payment. If Twitch can't solve this i won't lose any sleep watching the stream. It's not like i'm hacking or exploiting something, i just don't get any questions about paying and i can even switch streams without any problems. It changes who is at fault. MLG chose Twitch with the expectations that they would block people who hadn't paid. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I would not depend on a base that is only 100K on a good showing. That rating is way too small and when you're only reaching 5-10% of that. -_- Needs to keep growing. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:29 Ercster wrote: It changes who is at fault. MLG chose Twitch with the expectations that they would block people who hadn't paid. A company is still responsible to the end user regardless of what 3rd party service providers they use. If MLG hire some shit ISP and the stream dies totally due to internet outage it's still on MLG. Anyone who's worked in customer service/retail know that you can't blame others when stuff goes wrong. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
edited out my comment, was meant for another thread | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Twitch is just very familiar to them. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:36 jj33 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Huk is about to get completely embarrased by drg now. drg vs mkp is going to be great. Not the right place to be posting that man. That belongs in the LR. | ||
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