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Support esports....I mean mlg, they still need some money to pay the rent for their penthouse NY office.
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Oh my... The lag is back for me, completely unwatchable again even on 480p just like on friday.
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On February 27 2012 05:50 lottopk wrote:
Support esports....I mean mlg, they still need some money to pay the rent for their penthouse NY office.
Anybody got a video of Sundances speech from Last year about doing great things for SC2; as long as the viewers tune in to watch like in 2011 
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On February 27 2012 05:49 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 05:45 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:41 RusHXceL wrote:On February 27 2012 05:38 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:35 finalboss2 wrote:
I find it more ridiculous that they are low on money and had to fire a ton of employs, but at the same time are renting a huge office in freaking downtown Manhattan. The cost and expenses involved in just maintaining that are ridiculous, and I still can't figure out why they need to be in NYC instead of a smaller city if they are having so much trouble maintaining profit. Sundance texting about getting martini lunches doesn't help..... They are using their own office for this -.- the event was suppose to be at a building in Columbus but they didn't have time to finish it. Stop reaching/spreading false bullshit Maybe they shouldn't be using that office if they firing tons of employees. and rent a house for a day. easy solve. they fired a bunch of employees that were not worth what they were paying, nobody read the articles on MLG and countless other things, once again stop spreading false bullshit I think the underlying Reason he sacked the employees was to use that office as a tournament area so he could maximize profit albeit he probably didn't need them anymore. But he's not spreading "Bullshit"
So, he's not spreading bullshit because you think the same contrary to what MLG blogs/boss' blogs/ sundance/kennigit tweets have said about sustainability/business models in e-sports.
Christ, some people are really narrowsighted. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. MLG is the evil capitalist entity that you want it to be to justify watching a restream or demanding things for free.
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On February 27 2012 05:30 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 05:26 kokorel wrote:
I've seen last year free HD tourneys who capped at 50-60k viewers with ease (just pure viewers without counting in barcrafts! ) (homestory's, assembley's, TSL, and even mlg's). How many subscribers did mlg get for this event I wonder... 1k, 2k, 5k??? most unlikely
It makes me think.. why would an organizer who supposedly supports e-sports and its growth would rob so many people of it.
Its like commercial money they would get from world wide companies who for sure would pay handsomely to have so much exposure is not enough... But hey.... it must be easier to make a bank account and ask for money than spend effort to get the real big companies and convince them to see the potential of e-sports.
Make me see the reason mlg ! they had to try a pay model, its a business and unless they see real numbers they cant make further decisions. with that said, i don't feel like mlg is in any position to have a pay model yet, they need to grow the brand more. i have no problem paying for a whole season with multiple events but for one i could not pay.
Pay model makes perfect sense. You have got to continue to find new ways to make money to stay in business. I don't fault them at all for going to the pay model.
At the same time, I do think it was pretty poorly handled in regards to gold membership. They shouldn't have told us that we got all their pro circuit events if we bought it and then not fulfill that promise. They can say that the winter arena isn't a pro circuit event all they want but it's branded everywhere on their broadcasts and on their site as if it is one.
Sundance "firing that guy" in charge of gold membership does exactly nothing for me, a paying customer. He said "no one bought gold membership" so my question has always been then why alienate those that did? Those are your most loyal customers but yet you want to double-dip them, makes no sense to me. The roll-out of the paywall, the subsequent afterthought "discount" and just the overall disregard for current gold members is what really turned me off of the MLG brand.
I've bought GSL and MLG passes in the past and I'm happy to pay for it. I just felt disrespected as a paying gold member and at least for me, it'll take some time for me to consider buying anything from them again. Double-dipping by a company is a quick way to lose brand loyalty.
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On February 27 2012 05:58 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 05:49 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:45 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:41 RusHXceL wrote:On February 27 2012 05:38 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:35 finalboss2 wrote:
I find it more ridiculous that they are low on money and had to fire a ton of employs, but at the same time are renting a huge office in freaking downtown Manhattan. The cost and expenses involved in just maintaining that are ridiculous, and I still can't figure out why they need to be in NYC instead of a smaller city if they are having so much trouble maintaining profit. Sundance texting about getting martini lunches doesn't help..... They are using their own office for this -.- the event was suppose to be at a building in Columbus but they didn't have time to finish it. Stop reaching/spreading false bullshit Maybe they shouldn't be using that office if they firing tons of employees. and rent a house for a day. easy solve. they fired a bunch of employees that were not worth what they were paying, nobody read the articles on MLG and countless other things, once again stop spreading false bullshit I think the underlying Reason he sacked the employees was to use that office as a tournament area so he could maximize profit albeit he probably didn't need them anymore. But he's not spreading "Bullshit" So, he's not spreading bullshit because you think the same contrary to what MLG blogs/boss' blogs/ sundance/kennigit tweets have said about sustainability/business models in e-sports. Christ, some people are really narrowsighted. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. MLG is the evil capitalist entity that you want it to be to justify watching a restream or demanding things for free.
All other foreign tourneys have free streams even when they pay for flights of players.
The Bullshit is MLGs greedy business model and deceitful tactics
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The first preson view is actually a really nice thing to have with picture in picture and the commentary audio.
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On February 27 2012 06:01 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 05:58 Serelitz wrote:On February 27 2012 05:49 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:45 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:41 RusHXceL wrote:On February 27 2012 05:38 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:35 finalboss2 wrote:
I find it more ridiculous that they are low on money and had to fire a ton of employs, but at the same time are renting a huge office in freaking downtown Manhattan. The cost and expenses involved in just maintaining that are ridiculous, and I still can't figure out why they need to be in NYC instead of a smaller city if they are having so much trouble maintaining profit. Sundance texting about getting martini lunches doesn't help..... They are using their own office for this -.- the event was suppose to be at a building in Columbus but they didn't have time to finish it. Stop reaching/spreading false bullshit Maybe they shouldn't be using that office if they firing tons of employees. and rent a house for a day. easy solve. they fired a bunch of employees that were not worth what they were paying, nobody read the articles on MLG and countless other things, once again stop spreading false bullshit I think the underlying Reason he sacked the employees was to use that office as a tournament area so he could maximize profit albeit he probably didn't need them anymore. But he's not spreading "Bullshit" So, he's not spreading bullshit because you think the same contrary to what MLG blogs/boss' blogs/ sundance/kennigit tweets have said about sustainability/business models in e-sports. Christ, some people are really narrowsighted. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. MLG is the evil capitalist entity that you want it to be to justify watching a restream or demanding things for free. All other foreign tourneys have free streams even when they pay for flights of players. The Bullshit is MLGs greet model and deceitful tactics
MLG is also a lot more expensive because they're flying in players from around the world, have top notch production quality (rivaled only by GOM/Dreamhack, which have their own studios + DH SC2 not being the main event, so they can afford a loss).
A lot of people in the know have said multiple times that e-sports isn't profitable. There will still be free events, free MLG events too. The PPV event is for sustainability (and from the size of the LR thread it looks like it's a success). I completely understand if you don't want to buy it, if you think it's not worth your time. But Sundance and the others at MLG have done a lot for starcraft 2 as an e-sport and you're just an angry armchair critic. Saying Sundance/MLG is being greedy and only want to maximize profits is really uncalled for and simply untrue.
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On February 27 2012 06:10 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:01 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:58 Serelitz wrote:On February 27 2012 05:49 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:45 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:41 RusHXceL wrote:On February 27 2012 05:38 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:35 finalboss2 wrote:
I find it more ridiculous that they are low on money and had to fire a ton of employs, but at the same time are renting a huge office in freaking downtown Manhattan. The cost and expenses involved in just maintaining that are ridiculous, and I still can't figure out why they need to be in NYC instead of a smaller city if they are having so much trouble maintaining profit. Sundance texting about getting martini lunches doesn't help..... They are using their own office for this -.- the event was suppose to be at a building in Columbus but they didn't have time to finish it. Stop reaching/spreading false bullshit Maybe they shouldn't be using that office if they firing tons of employees. and rent a house for a day. easy solve. they fired a bunch of employees that were not worth what they were paying, nobody read the articles on MLG and countless other things, once again stop spreading false bullshit I think the underlying Reason he sacked the employees was to use that office as a tournament area so he could maximize profit albeit he probably didn't need them anymore. But he's not spreading "Bullshit" So, he's not spreading bullshit because you think the same contrary to what MLG blogs/boss' blogs/ sundance/kennigit tweets have said about sustainability/business models in e-sports. Christ, some people are really narrowsighted. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. MLG is the evil capitalist entity that you want it to be to justify watching a restream or demanding things for free. All other foreign tourneys have free streams even when they pay for flights of players. The Bullshit is MLGs greet model and deceitful tactics MLG is also a lot more expensive because they're flying in players from around the world, have top notch production quality (rivaled only by GOM/Dreamhack, which have their own studios + DH SC2 not being the main event, so they can afford a loss). A lot of people in the know have said multiple times that e-sports isn't profitable. There will still be free events, free MLG events too. The PPV event is for sustainability (and from the size of the LR thread it looks like it's a success). I completely understand if you don't want to buy it, if you think it's not worth your time. But Sundance and the others at MLG have done a lot for starcraft 2 as an e-sport and you're just an angry armchair critic. Saying Sundance/MLG is being greedy and only want to maximize profits is really uncalled for and simply untrue.
Sorry I'm not buying that they may have to pay extra for Koreans to fly in but other Tourneys fly in players from around the world as well albeit being cheaper.
MLG basically fired most of it's staff using the office for Tourneys currently and trying to force a PPV onto is for half their tourneys. They are trying to Maximize profit and while doing that they are hindering the SC2 fan base by restricting access to their streams.
Also look at all the tournaments popping up everywhere they wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't profitable.
MLG gets mad people don't want to pay. When there'l are so^^ many awesome tournaments that are free and high quality streams with great players.
As far as I'm concerned MLG can shove it cause they ain't getting my money; better spent on GSL.
Especially after the shenanigans they pulled like the Bait and Switch I don't trust MLG anymore.
Was great while it lasted tis a shame
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Question for fanboys who hype mlg production: Seriously what is it that makes so good in your opinion? because I didnt notice any difference to asus(nothing worth 20dollars anyway). Its still tournament inside small office building, without audience, normal interviews etc, boring playerroom cam.
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On February 27 2012 06:27 lottopk wrote:
Question for fanboys who hype mlg production: Seriously what is it that makes so good in your opinion? because I didnt notice any difference to asus(nothing worth 20dollars anyway). Its still tournament inside small office building, without audience, normal interviews etc, boring playerroom cam.
I have a hard time figuring this out myself. The small talk is good but after the hype before about how awesome it would be i'm just not seeing it.
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On February 27 2012 06:27 lottopk wrote:
Question for fanboys who hype mlg production: Seriously what is it that makes so good in your opinion? because I didnt notice any difference to asus(nothing worth 20dollars anyway). Its still tournament inside small office building, without audience, normal interviews etc, boring playerroom cam.
I have no doubt in my mind they'd go the length to pay people to boast about the tournament production etc
There isnt too difference from their small office tourney to others like ASUS and Homestory IEM etc
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On February 27 2012 06:35 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:27 lottopk wrote:
Question for fanboys who hype mlg production: Seriously what is it that makes so good in your opinion? because I didnt notice any difference to asus(nothing worth 20dollars anyway). Its still tournament inside small office building, without audience, normal interviews etc, boring playerroom cam.
I have no doubt in my mind they'd go the length to pay people to boast about the tournament production etc
There isnt too much difference from their small office tourney to others like ASUS and Homestory IEM etc
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On February 27 2012 06:10 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:01 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:58 Serelitz wrote:On February 27 2012 05:49 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:45 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:41 RusHXceL wrote:On February 27 2012 05:38 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:35 finalboss2 wrote:
I find it more ridiculous that they are low on money and had to fire a ton of employs, but at the same time are renting a huge office in freaking downtown Manhattan. The cost and expenses involved in just maintaining that are ridiculous, and I still can't figure out why they need to be in NYC instead of a smaller city if they are having so much trouble maintaining profit. Sundance texting about getting martini lunches doesn't help..... They are using their own office for this -.- the event was suppose to be at a building in Columbus but they didn't have time to finish it. Stop reaching/spreading false bullshit Maybe they shouldn't be using that office if they firing tons of employees. and rent a house for a day. easy solve. they fired a bunch of employees that were not worth what they were paying, nobody read the articles on MLG and countless other things, once again stop spreading false bullshit I think the underlying Reason he sacked the employees was to use that office as a tournament area so he could maximize profit albeit he probably didn't need them anymore. But he's not spreading "Bullshit" So, he's not spreading bullshit because you think the same contrary to what MLG blogs/boss' blogs/ sundance/kennigit tweets have said about sustainability/business models in e-sports. Christ, some people are really narrowsighted. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. MLG is the evil capitalist entity that you want it to be to justify watching a restream or demanding things for free. All other foreign tourneys have free streams even when they pay for flights of players. The Bullshit is MLGs greet model and deceitful tactics MLG is also a lot more expensive because they're flying in players from around the world, have top notch production quality (rivaled only by GOM/Dreamhack, which have their own studios + DH SC2 not being the main event, so they can afford a loss). A lot of people in the know have said multiple times that e-sports isn't profitable. There will still be free events, free MLG events too. The PPV event is for sustainability (and from the size of the LR thread it looks like it's a success). I completely understand if you don't want to buy it, if you think it's not worth your time. But Sundance and the others at MLG have done a lot for starcraft 2 as an e-sport and you're just an angry armchair critic. Saying Sundance/MLG is being greedy and only want to maximize profits is really uncalled for and simply untrue.
Are you really going to use the size of the LR to justify the PPV? Really now?
Jesus. Wait until the release the amount of sales. -_-
A LR isn't even close to a real measure. That and it's only 100 pages in. Not only that, but there are a lot of people who are watching it for free. This event has been a logistical nightmare, which I'm afraid many of us saw coming. It isn't just the restreams either. Twitch.tv isn't foolproof as several people have shown. The numbers and sales won't add up.
That's why we have to stick to the number of buys.
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On February 27 2012 06:35 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:27 lottopk wrote:
Question for fanboys who hype mlg production: Seriously what is it that makes so good in your opinion? because I didnt notice any difference to asus(nothing worth 20dollars anyway). Its still tournament inside small office building, without audience, normal interviews etc, boring playerroom cam. I have no doubt in my mind they'd go the length to pay people to boast about the tournament production etc There isnt too difference from their small office tourney to others like ASUS and Homestory IEM etc
Yes, MLG bribed half of TL to claim to love their tournament. lol.
On February 27 2012 06:41 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:10 Serelitz wrote:On February 27 2012 06:01 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:58 Serelitz wrote:On February 27 2012 05:49 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:45 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:41 RusHXceL wrote:On February 27 2012 05:38 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:35 finalboss2 wrote:
I find it more ridiculous that they are low on money and had to fire a ton of employs, but at the same time are renting a huge office in freaking downtown Manhattan. The cost and expenses involved in just maintaining that are ridiculous, and I still can't figure out why they need to be in NYC instead of a smaller city if they are having so much trouble maintaining profit. Sundance texting about getting martini lunches doesn't help..... They are using their own office for this -.- the event was suppose to be at a building in Columbus but they didn't have time to finish it. Stop reaching/spreading false bullshit Maybe they shouldn't be using that office if they firing tons of employees. and rent a house for a day. easy solve. they fired a bunch of employees that were not worth what they were paying, nobody read the articles on MLG and countless other things, once again stop spreading false bullshit I think the underlying Reason he sacked the employees was to use that office as a tournament area so he could maximize profit albeit he probably didn't need them anymore. But he's not spreading "Bullshit" So, he's not spreading bullshit because you think the same contrary to what MLG blogs/boss' blogs/ sundance/kennigit tweets have said about sustainability/business models in e-sports. Christ, some people are really narrowsighted. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. MLG is the evil capitalist entity that you want it to be to justify watching a restream or demanding things for free. All other foreign tourneys have free streams even when they pay for flights of players. The Bullshit is MLGs greet model and deceitful tactics MLG is also a lot more expensive because they're flying in players from around the world, have top notch production quality (rivaled only by GOM/Dreamhack, which have their own studios + DH SC2 not being the main event, so they can afford a loss). A lot of people in the know have said multiple times that e-sports isn't profitable. There will still be free events, free MLG events too. The PPV event is for sustainability (and from the size of the LR thread it looks like it's a success). I completely understand if you don't want to buy it, if you think it's not worth your time. But Sundance and the others at MLG have done a lot for starcraft 2 as an e-sport and you're just an angry armchair critic. Saying Sundance/MLG is being greedy and only want to maximize profits is really uncalled for and simply untrue. Are you really going to use the size of the LR to justify the PPV? Really now? Jesus. Wait until the release the amount of sales. -_- A LR isn't even close to a real measure. That and it's only 100 pages in.
It's an estimate and what I think. I could be wrong obviously but it's not the impression I'm getting.
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On February 27 2012 06:35 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:27 lottopk wrote:
Question for fanboys who hype mlg production: Seriously what is it that makes so good in your opinion? because I didnt notice any difference to asus(nothing worth 20dollars anyway). Its still tournament inside small office building, without audience, normal interviews etc, boring playerroom cam. I have no doubt in my mind they'd go the length to pay people to boast about the tournament production etc There isnt too difference from their small office tourney to others like ASUS and Homestory IEM etc
Really? You're accusing MLG of paying people to make a positive comment on their production quality?
Please...
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Esports organisations have withheld viewership numbers int he past. If this does poorly there is still a chance that MLG will say nothing of it and pretend that it went fine. This is a buissness move aswell. I just wish that casters and players didn't jump on it by constantly reminding me that something is going on that I cannot afford to watch.
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On February 27 2012 06:43 Serelitz wrote:
Yes, MLG bribed half of TL to claim to love their tournament. lol.
They don't need to because almost nobody will admit that they've made a bad investment. Basic psychology.
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On February 27 2012 06:43 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:35 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 06:27 lottopk wrote:
Question for fanboys who hype mlg production: Seriously what is it that makes so good in your opinion? because I didnt notice any difference to asus(nothing worth 20dollars anyway). Its still tournament inside small office building, without audience, normal interviews etc, boring playerroom cam. I have no doubt in my mind they'd go the length to pay people to boast about the tournament production etc There isnt too difference from their small office tourney to others like ASUS and Homestory IEM etc Yes, MLG bribed half of TL to claim to love their tournament. lol. Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:41 StarStruck wrote:On February 27 2012 06:10 Serelitz wrote:On February 27 2012 06:01 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:58 Serelitz wrote:On February 27 2012 05:49 XRaDiiX wrote:On February 27 2012 05:45 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:41 RusHXceL wrote:On February 27 2012 05:38 nGBeast wrote:On February 27 2012 05:35 finalboss2 wrote:
I find it more ridiculous that they are low on money and had to fire a ton of employs, but at the same time are renting a huge office in freaking downtown Manhattan. The cost and expenses involved in just maintaining that are ridiculous, and I still can't figure out why they need to be in NYC instead of a smaller city if they are having so much trouble maintaining profit. Sundance texting about getting martini lunches doesn't help..... They are using their own office for this -.- the event was suppose to be at a building in Columbus but they didn't have time to finish it. Stop reaching/spreading false bullshit Maybe they shouldn't be using that office if they firing tons of employees. and rent a house for a day. easy solve. they fired a bunch of employees that were not worth what they were paying, nobody read the articles on MLG and countless other things, once again stop spreading false bullshit I think the underlying Reason he sacked the employees was to use that office as a tournament area so he could maximize profit albeit he probably didn't need them anymore. But he's not spreading "Bullshit" So, he's not spreading bullshit because you think the same contrary to what MLG blogs/boss' blogs/ sundance/kennigit tweets have said about sustainability/business models in e-sports. Christ, some people are really narrowsighted. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. MLG is the evil capitalist entity that you want it to be to justify watching a restream or demanding things for free. All other foreign tourneys have free streams even when they pay for flights of players. The Bullshit is MLGs greet model and deceitful tactics MLG is also a lot more expensive because they're flying in players from around the world, have top notch production quality (rivaled only by GOM/Dreamhack, which have their own studios + DH SC2 not being the main event, so they can afford a loss). A lot of people in the know have said multiple times that e-sports isn't profitable. There will still be free events, free MLG events too. The PPV event is for sustainability (and from the size of the LR thread it looks like it's a success). I completely understand if you don't want to buy it, if you think it's not worth your time. But Sundance and the others at MLG have done a lot for starcraft 2 as an e-sport and you're just an angry armchair critic. Saying Sundance/MLG is being greedy and only want to maximize profits is really uncalled for and simply untrue. Are you really going to use the size of the LR to justify the PPV? Really now? Jesus. Wait until the release the amount of sales. -_- A LR isn't even close to a real measure. That and it's only 100 pages in. It's an estimate and what I think. I could be wrong obviously but it's not the impression I'm getting.
A LR thread isn't an estimate of anything. Hell, even the unique viewers on twitch.tv will be skewed. The only figure we can go by is the amount of buys. That's it.
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Yeah something is wrong with their site. I can see the stream in the background behind the subscribe to MLG window.
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