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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
February 26 2012 22:39 GMT
#4681
On February 27 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 07:36 jj33 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Huk is about to get completely embarrased by drg now.

drg vs mkp is going to be great.


Not the right place to be posting that man. That belongs in the LR.


you're right sorry.

I clicked on this by accident.

MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
February 26 2012 22:42 GMT
#4682
I just have to say: Worth it. This could be on ESPN absolutely. Very high production value. I love it. Would pay again.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 22:47:48
February 26 2012 22:45 GMT
#4683
On February 27 2012 07:23 esotericc wrote:
I don't fully understand where this idea that we have to pay to keep having tournaments and support growth.

A TV station doesn't make money solely off viewers they support themselves fully off of advertisement money, why are tournaments like MLG not being supported off advertisement money? Is it because it's not popular enough? I'm not even talking about stream ad revenue, I am litterally talking about a company paying X amount of money to advertise during MLG almost like commercials work on TV.

How is this not working and PPV is the only choice? seems strange.


Can you block commercials on TV stations? No. Can you block commercials on internet streams? Yes. Does majority of people block those commercials? Yes.

Also, how much people is watching TV shows and how much is watching MLG? Lets take average show like HIMYM or TBBT, few million people are watching it. MLG? 100k at peak?

And btw, I would rather pay 20 USD to watch without commercials, then watch wuth commercials for free...
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 22:56:14
February 26 2012 22:54 GMT
#4684
On February 27 2012 07:31 StarStruck wrote:
Right now it isn't self-sustainable. They need the sponsor money and the numbers aren't there yet.

I would not depend on a base that is only 100K on a good showing. That rating is way too small and when you're only reaching 5-10% of that. -_-

Needs to keep growing.



How is the scene going to grow when Most of the held tournaments in NA by MLG are going to be restricted access so that seems counter intuitive. Noons outside of SC2 is going to Pay for that and or find about it because it's PPV.

Way Less exposure of SC2 is hurtfulI think and the whole thing is counterintuitive
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
February 26 2012 22:57 GMT
#4685
On February 27 2012 07:54 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 07:31 StarStruck wrote:
Right now it isn't self-sustainable. They need the sponsor money and the numbers aren't there yet.

I would not depend on a base that is only 100K on a good showing. That rating is way too small and when you're only reaching 5-10% of that. -_-

Needs to keep growing.



How is the scene going to grow when Most of the held tournaments in NA by MLG are going to be restricted access so that seems counter intuitive. Noons outside of SC2 is going to Pay for that and or find about it because it's PPV.

Way Less exposure of SC2 is hurtfulI think and the whole thing is counterintuitive


There will be 4 free MLGs this year vs 6 last year. If you think that those 2 less free tournaments is going to break MLG's income from growth vs self sustainability from PPV events, you seriously need to think again.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:02:06
February 26 2012 22:59 GMT
#4686
That isn't my job thankfully. There's a reason I quit the scene years ago.

It's a lot easier being in the armchair as Jason put it. I have no idea what MLG's expenses are other than what we're told so I really couldn't tell you much of anything.

I can only give you constructive criticism from what I see.
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:12:56
February 26 2012 23:11 GMT
#4687
@Mod, I'm going to make my post in BOLD because I want to ensure that someone from MLG reads it.

Not sure if this is a bug or not. I did not get to watch this MLG event Friday (working) or Saturday (sleeping) and today I've watched most of the "final 6" games for free. I've just consistently loaded up multiple tabs of streams from the MLG website and then going to twitch.tv and searching MLG. I would try to open them up at the same time so maybe it would bug out, and I don't know if MLG set some of the streams to free or not for trial views or not. Maybe because I opened like 3-4 at the same time it would go through on one of them... However I've been watching a lot of games all day for free by just constantly opening new pages when one craps out. By crapping out I mean getting the "pay 20 bucks screen."

I wasn't trying to steal or anything. To be honest I was totally down to pay 10 bucks just for the 6 hours today but no response from MLG's twitter or anything. Not sure if this is a bug or intended. However somehow I was able to sneak through. I watched all of the DRG-Parting extended series. Now all of DRG-HuK. Some DRG-Oz.

EDIT: and in addition I was a former silver member last year and gold this year. So maybe they are giving me some access on the final day? Not sure but they're still getting money from me so <3
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
February 26 2012 23:16 GMT
#4688
On February 27 2012 08:11 Nizzy wrote:
@Mod, I'm going to make my post in BOLD because I want to ensure that someone from MLG reads it.

Not sure if this is a bug or not. I did not get to watch this MLG event Friday (working) or Saturday (sleeping) and today I've watched most of the "final 6" games for free. I've just consistently loaded up multiple tabs of streams from the MLG website and then going to twitch.tv and searching MLG. I would try to open them up at the same time so maybe it would bug out, and I don't know if MLG set some of the streams to free or not for trial views or not. Maybe because I opened like 3-4 at the same time it would go through on one of them... However I've been watching a lot of games all day for free by just constantly opening new pages when one craps out. By crapping out I mean getting the "pay 20 bucks screen."

I wasn't trying to steal or anything. To be honest I was totally down to pay 10 bucks just for the 6 hours today but no response from MLG's twitter or anything. Not sure if this is a bug or intended. However somehow I was able to sneak through. I watched all of the DRG-Parting extended series. Now all of DRG-HuK. Some DRG-Oz.

EDIT: and in addition I was a former silver member last year and gold this year. So maybe they are giving me some access on the final day? Not sure but they're still getting money from me so <3


Many have already posted about this. It's been like that for some since friday.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 26 2012 23:18 GMT
#4689
Yes, they're aware of the issues. :/
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
February 26 2012 23:22 GMT
#4690
thanks all <3<3<3

Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
February 26 2012 23:26 GMT
#4691
well, after seeing a restream (cool production and excellent line up), i changed my mind somewhat. i will pay 10 bucks next time, if it there is no hassle with payment and stream. 20$ is somewhat to much, however i might even pay that occasionally (not every tourney).
21 is half the truth
megid
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil142 Posts
February 26 2012 23:29 GMT
#4692
anw, i found something funny lol nothing personal =P

https://anony.ws/i/jaoAQ.png

LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 26 2012 23:30 GMT
#4693
Sundance says on stream that the event was successful and that two similar events will take place in the spring. Those events will seed into the second MLG championship event of the year. No pricing details or anything yet.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:34:43
February 26 2012 23:34 GMT
#4694
On February 27 2012 08:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Sundance says on stream that the event was successful and that two similar events will take place in the spring. Those events will seed into the second MLG championship event of the year. No pricing details or anything yet.


Big success!

Would have been lame if there weren't enough people buying the pass.
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
February 26 2012 23:35 GMT
#4695
I watched this MLG for free. The production was great. People have told me that "The price is fine, dont be cheap." I'm not cheap, I just don't have $20. I place little to no value on money, my lifestyle is efficient, comfortable, and affordable. I feel like it was the contribution of the community that allowed people like MLG to make any money in the first place. So charging me for this content is insulting, demeaning, and frankly - shows that MLG is so profit driven that they can't see past their own paychecks. It has been sad for me to watch SC grow from humble roots, to a strong, community driven flourish and now fall to the corrupt and disgustingly immoral capitalist dogma that hinders our species as a whole. PLEASE make this a "pay what you can" event. PLEASE understand that without the community you are nothing. and PLEASE do not become AMERICAN POLITICS. Think of how bad that stigma is.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
February 26 2012 23:35 GMT
#4696
On February 27 2012 08:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Sundance says on stream that the event was successful and that two similar events will take place in the spring. Those events will seed into the second MLG championship event of the year. No pricing details or anything yet.


I would like to know the numbers, usual mlg gets like 60k ... not sure they will release it though.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 26 2012 23:36 GMT
#4697
On February 27 2012 08:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Sundance says on stream that the event was successful and that two similar events will take place in the spring. Those events will seed into the second MLG championship event of the year. No pricing details or anything yet.


Like I said in the LR thread that means very little to me until we see the actual buyrate. It could mean anything.
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
February 26 2012 23:36 GMT
#4698
its a great event but at someone else said above 20 dollars is too much, im also watching "restreams" and I think that for this production 8 dollar or something is a resonable price, then they wont risk that people are watching restreams either..
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 23:37:41
February 26 2012 23:37 GMT
#4699
Kind of disappointed that they aren't addressing the free viewing of the event (Unfair to people who actually paid tt), but overall this tournament has been a great success.
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
February 26 2012 23:38 GMT
#4700
Scumbag Sundance

Says event was a success, already has plans to make the next one 35 bucks.

Good Guy Sundance

Says event was a success, already has plans to make the next one 15 bucks.

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