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No, I'm not an MLG employee lol. Here's my twitter if you want to verify that. (I know it doesn't prove much, but I would have it advertised on my profile if I was)
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I'm just a gamer and I gave my opinion on the matter. MLG was obviously planning a PPV type of model for some time, but you can't expect them to announce it when they don't have everything figured out. I don't see them purposely holding back information from the community, they've always been the type of company that will make announcements once everything has been sorted out, which in that case would be a good practice of business would it not? Now, after MLG finishes up a season and prepares for the next is when it releases information regarding the pro circuit. Every year that information is given in mid-January and more information is given throughout the next several weeks. One thing you need to keep in mind is MLG has never ran an event this early, previously every year prior the first event isn't until April, but this year with the Arenas they are starting in February. With this being the first year, not everything will go perfect and perhaps they needed more time to work out their plans when typically they had a couple more weeks to do so. In the future I expect this information will be released sooner as MLG would then have the experience of running this new structure.
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On February 15 2012 22:12 SupLilSon wrote:
"They can't announce something that hasn't fully be analyzied and figured out". Isn't that EXACTLY what they did? Furthermore, I highly doubt they came up with a solid model or did any substantial prior research. If 2700/3000 people on TL of all places are saying NO to the product then in my eyes they obviously didn't do their homework.
But logically it will work out. People right now are saying no, but at the next arena when they knock down the price, give a better discount to gold members and people watch the VoD's afterwards and see the content they put out, people will see a more reasonable price for high quality content and a large portion of those who refused to pay for the pass this time would pay for it the next. So this time not many people will pay for it, the next time they knock the price down the $10, the majority of people are willing to compromise for that price and they sell a lot of passes, the plan just worked then. If this is truly what they're doing, it's actually a good decision to start high and work down so people get angry now but will be happy down the road rather than start small and work high and piss off more people as time goes on.
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should have an option to pay $5 for the last day, being from europe there is no way I'm going to watch the whole thing but I'd pay $5 for the last day or something
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On February 15 2012 22:28 mememolly wrote:
should have an option to pay $5 for the last day, being from europe there is no way I'm going to watch the whole thing but I'd pay $5 for the last day or something
everyone has a different opinion... The last day is exactly what's hardest for me to watch. (This year was the first in over 15 that I didn't watch the superbowl).
Personally, I don't like the approach MLG took here and they lost some credit as a business in my eyes. There are a lot of better value options on the market as well (imo).
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On February 15 2012 22:28 mememolly wrote:
should have an option to pay $5 for the last day, being from europe there is no way I'm going to watch the whole thing but I'd pay $5 for the last day or something
I think MLG is quite inflexible with the 20$. There should be a more divided system:
10$ for the Tastosis stream
5$ for any other stream
5$ for the behind the scene stream
10% off for EU and other zones with bad timezone for the event.
20$ for the whole bundle
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On February 15 2012 22:23 eLeVaTioN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:12 SupLilSon wrote:
"They can't announce something that hasn't fully be analyzied and figured out". Isn't that EXACTLY what they did? Furthermore, I highly doubt they came up with a solid model or did any substantial prior research. If 2700/3000 people on TL of all places are saying NO to the product then in my eyes they obviously didn't do their homework. But logically it will work out. People right now are saying no, but at the next arena when they knock down the price, give a better discount to gold members and people watch the VoD's afterwards and see the content they put out, people will see a more reasonable price for high quality content and a large portion of those who refused to pay for the pass this time would pay for it the next. So this time not many people will pay for it, the next time they knock the price down the $10, the majority of people are willing to compromise for that price and they sell a lot of passes, the plan just worked then. If this is truly what they're doing, it's actually a good decision to start high and work down so people get angry now but will be happy down the road rather than start small and work high and piss off more people as time goes on.
You seem so sure of how well this will go for MLG. How can you be so sure? Wouldn't starting at 5-10 dollar then ramping up with better content and more stable streams be a better choice than alienating alot of the viewers and giving PPV a negative sound from the get go?
I am one of the guys who's paid for all GSLs since s1 and i've bought 2010-2011 Blizzcon stream tickets. I wont be buying this and wont be buying it later on either if they keep up this crappy attitude. A weekend tournament with no crowd with less player skill than the GSL at horrible times for EU isn't really a good start to start charging money. Especially when it's more than i pay for a month of premium soccer, hockey, movies, and series.
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On February 15 2012 22:40 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:28 mememolly wrote:
should have an option to pay $5 for the last day, being from europe there is no way I'm going to watch the whole thing but I'd pay $5 for the last day or something I think MLG is quite inflexible with the 20$. There should be a more divided system: 10$ for the Tastosis stream 5$ for any other stream 5$ for the behind the scene stream 10% off for EU and other zones with bad timezone for the event. 20$ for the whole bundle
Exactly, I could not care less about the Dr.Pepper's healthcorner or whatever. I'd probably pay for the main stream, for two of the days, even though that might be too flixible.
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On February 15 2012 22:41 karpo wrote:
You seem so sure of how well this will go for MLG. How can you be so sure? Wouldn't starting at 5-10 dollar then ramping up with better content and more stable streams be a better choice than alienating alot of the viewers and giving PPV a negative sound from the get go?
I am one of the guys who's paid for all GSLs since s1 and i've bought 2010-2011 Blizzcon stream tickets. I wont be buying this and wont be buying it later on either if they keep up this crappy attitude. A weekend tournament with no crowd with less player skill than the GSL at horrible times for EU isn't really a good start to start charging money. Especially when it's more than i pay for a month of premium soccer, hockey, movies, and series.
I said it makes more sense taking the approach they are. Yeah, they can start out at $5 or $10, but the content is already good depending on what your view on good content is and the streams are stable, if technical issues occur, they will occur regardless. But if you start off at $5-$10, then they want to increase it to $15-$20, people will get mad that they could pay $5 or $10 and then all of a sudden why should they have to pay $15 or $20 for the same content or maybe a slight increase but people felt it's not worth it in the future. Instead they can start off higher to see how the community feels about it, and they can lower the price for future Arena to something that the community will find reasonable and people will pay for it and everything will work out better. Either way people were going to complain about paying $20 for the stream, better they can establish that now at the start rather than starting low and then in the future piss people off by increasing the amount.
Also every tournament outside of the GSL will have players that are less skilled playing, and the EU is just one part of the world that will watch. But even then, it's like GSL, the VoD will be available to those who paid for the pass
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On February 15 2012 22:51 eLeVaTioN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:41 karpo wrote:
You seem so sure of how well this will go for MLG. How can you be so sure? Wouldn't starting at 5-10 dollar then ramping up with better content and more stable streams be a better choice than alienating alot of the viewers and giving PPV a negative sound from the get go?
I am one of the guys who's paid for all GSLs since s1 and i've bought 2010-2011 Blizzcon stream tickets. I wont be buying this and wont be buying it later on either if they keep up this crappy attitude. A weekend tournament with no crowd with less player skill than the GSL at horrible times for EU isn't really a good start to start charging money. Especially when it's more than i pay for a month of premium soccer, hockey, movies, and series. I said it makes more sense taking the approach they are. Yeah, they can start out at $5 or $10, but the content is already good depending on what your view on good content is and the streams are stable, if technical issues occur, they will occur regardless. But if you start off at $5-$10, then they want to increase it to $15-$20, people will get mad that they could pay $5 or $10 and then all of a sudden why should they have to pay $15 or $20 for the same content or maybe a slight increase but people felt it's not worth it in the future. Instead they can start off higher to see how the community feels about it, and they can lower the price for future Arena to something that the community will find reasonable and people will pay for it and everything will work out better. Either way people were going to complain about paying $20 for the stream, better they can establish that now at the start rather than starting low and then in the future piss people off by increasing the amount. Also every tournament outside of the GSL will have players that are less skilled playing, and the EU is just one part of the world that will watch. But even then, it's like GSL, the VoD will be available to those who paid for the pass
It's like playing simcity... raise taxes a lot then lower by 1 to hear the cheering... stupid citizens :D
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Do you get ads if you pay the $20?
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On February 15 2012 22:51 eLeVaTioN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:41 karpo wrote:
You seem so sure of how well this will go for MLG. How can you be so sure? Wouldn't starting at 5-10 dollar then ramping up with better content and more stable streams be a better choice than alienating alot of the viewers and giving PPV a negative sound from the get go?
I am one of the guys who's paid for all GSLs since s1 and i've bought 2010-2011 Blizzcon stream tickets. I wont be buying this and wont be buying it later on either if they keep up this crappy attitude. A weekend tournament with no crowd with less player skill than the GSL at horrible times for EU isn't really a good start to start charging money. Especially when it's more than i pay for a month of premium soccer, hockey, movies, and series. I said it makes more sense taking the approach they are. Yeah, they can start out at $5 or $10, but the content is already good depending on what your view on good content is and the streams are stable, if technical issues occur, they will occur regardless. But if you start off at $5-$10, then they want to increase it to $15-$20, people will get mad that they could pay $5 or $10 and then all of a sudden why should they have to pay $15 or $20 for the same content or maybe a slight increase but people felt it's not worth it in the future. Instead they can start off higher to see how the community feels about it, and they can lower the price for future Arena to something that the community will find reasonable and people will pay for it and everything will work out better. Either way people were going to complain about paying $20 for the stream, better they can establish that now at the start rather than starting low and then in the future piss people off by increasing the amount. Also every tournament outside of the GSL will have players that are less skilled playing, and the EU is just one part of the world that will watch. But even then, it's like GSL, the VoD will be available to those who paid for the pass
I agree with you considering the poll in the first page of this thread.
- 89% would not buy a 20$ ticket
- 72% would not buy a 10$ ticket (5$ for gold members)
There is only a slight difference. It can be explained by several factors but also because this business model is new, so whatever the price is. So if you want to try this business model, it was smarter to start high and then lower the price. The difference at first is not that big and give better oportunities afterwards. Especially with a good reputation like the one MLG has.
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On February 15 2012 23:00 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:51 eLeVaTioN wrote:On February 15 2012 22:41 karpo wrote:
You seem so sure of how well this will go for MLG. How can you be so sure? Wouldn't starting at 5-10 dollar then ramping up with better content and more stable streams be a better choice than alienating alot of the viewers and giving PPV a negative sound from the get go?
I am one of the guys who's paid for all GSLs since s1 and i've bought 2010-2011 Blizzcon stream tickets. I wont be buying this and wont be buying it later on either if they keep up this crappy attitude. A weekend tournament with no crowd with less player skill than the GSL at horrible times for EU isn't really a good start to start charging money. Especially when it's more than i pay for a month of premium soccer, hockey, movies, and series. I said it makes more sense taking the approach they are. Yeah, they can start out at $5 or $10, but the content is already good depending on what your view on good content is and the streams are stable, if technical issues occur, they will occur regardless. But if you start off at $5-$10, then they want to increase it to $15-$20, people will get mad that they could pay $5 or $10 and then all of a sudden why should they have to pay $15 or $20 for the same content or maybe a slight increase but people felt it's not worth it in the future. Instead they can start off higher to see how the community feels about it, and they can lower the price for future Arena to something that the community will find reasonable and people will pay for it and everything will work out better. Either way people were going to complain about paying $20 for the stream, better they can establish that now at the start rather than starting low and then in the future piss people off by increasing the amount. Also every tournament outside of the GSL will have players that are less skilled playing, and the EU is just one part of the world that will watch. But even then, it's like GSL, the VoD will be available to those who paid for the pass It's like playing simcity... raise taxes a lot then lower by 1 to hear the cheering... stupid citizens :D
watch MLG do the same and people cheering for them xD
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On February 15 2012 22:51 eLeVaTioN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:41 karpo wrote:
You seem so sure of how well this will go for MLG. How can you be so sure? Wouldn't starting at 5-10 dollar then ramping up with better content and more stable streams be a better choice than alienating alot of the viewers and giving PPV a negative sound from the get go?
I am one of the guys who's paid for all GSLs since s1 and i've bought 2010-2011 Blizzcon stream tickets. I wont be buying this and wont be buying it later on either if they keep up this crappy attitude. A weekend tournament with no crowd with less player skill than the GSL at horrible times for EU isn't really a good start to start charging money. Especially when it's more than i pay for a month of premium soccer, hockey, movies, and series. I said it makes more sense taking the approach they are. Yeah, they can start out at $5 or $10, but the content is already good depending on what your view on good content is and the streams are stable, if technical issues occur, they will occur regardless. But if you start off at $5-$10, then they want to increase it to $15-$20, people will get mad that they could pay $5 or $10 and then all of a sudden why should they have to pay $15 or $20 for the same content or maybe a slight increase but people felt it's not worth it in the future. Instead they can start off higher to see how the community feels about it, and they can lower the price for future Arena to something that the community will find reasonable and people will pay for it and everything will work out better. Either way people were going to complain about paying $20 for the stream, better they can establish that now at the start rather than starting low and then in the future piss people off by increasing the amount. Also every tournament outside of the GSL will have players that are less skilled playing, and the EU is just one part of the world that will watch. But even then, it's like GSL, the VoD will be available to those who paid for the pass
Man you really, really want to defend MLG. The reasons i presented are valid and saying that other EU tournaments don't have top competition doesn't really change the point as those tournaments are free to watch. The GSL is the only tournament that has a premium subscription service and they provide better level play, more content than the MLG does, a better selection of choices when it comes to premium content, and they also provide a free stream for their matches, something the MLG won't do (at least for now).
The GSL has built something from scratch and the fact that they have monthly subscriptions with clear definitions about what's included is a plus, contrary to the whole MLG gold membership debacle.
On February 15 2012 23:06 Thurken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:51 eLeVaTioN wrote:On February 15 2012 22:41 karpo wrote:
You seem so sure of how well this will go for MLG. How can you be so sure? Wouldn't starting at 5-10 dollar then ramping up with better content and more stable streams be a better choice than alienating alot of the viewers and giving PPV a negative sound from the get go?
I am one of the guys who's paid for all GSLs since s1 and i've bought 2010-2011 Blizzcon stream tickets. I wont be buying this and wont be buying it later on either if they keep up this crappy attitude. A weekend tournament with no crowd with less player skill than the GSL at horrible times for EU isn't really a good start to start charging money. Especially when it's more than i pay for a month of premium soccer, hockey, movies, and series. I said it makes more sense taking the approach they are. Yeah, they can start out at $5 or $10, but the content is already good depending on what your view on good content is and the streams are stable, if technical issues occur, they will occur regardless. But if you start off at $5-$10, then they want to increase it to $15-$20, people will get mad that they could pay $5 or $10 and then all of a sudden why should they have to pay $15 or $20 for the same content or maybe a slight increase but people felt it's not worth it in the future. Instead they can start off higher to see how the community feels about it, and they can lower the price for future Arena to something that the community will find reasonable and people will pay for it and everything will work out better. Either way people were going to complain about paying $20 for the stream, better they can establish that now at the start rather than starting low and then in the future piss people off by increasing the amount. Also every tournament outside of the GSL will have players that are less skilled playing, and the EU is just one part of the world that will watch. But even then, it's like GSL, the VoD will be available to those who paid for the pass I agree with you considering the poll in the first page of this thread. - 89% would not buy a 20$ ticket - 72% would not buy a 10$ ticket (5$ for gold members) There is only a slight difference. It can be explained by several factors but also because this business model is new, so whatever the price is. So if you want to try this business model, it was smarter to start high and then lower the price. The difference at first is not that big and give better oportunities afterwards. Especially with a good reputation like the one MLG has.
Akl this poll shows is that people were upset by the sudden introduction of the PPV system and the fact that gold members didn't get what they were supposed to. If it had been just a hypothetical poll before all this became known i'm pretty sure the numbers for the lower price point would be alot more favourable.
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On February 15 2012 23:06 Thurken wrote:
I agree with you considering the poll in the first page of this thread.
- 89% would not buy a 20$ ticket
- 72% would not buy a 10$ ticket (5$ for gold members)
There is only a slight difference. It can be explained by several factors but also because this business model is new, so whatever the price is. So if you want to try this business model, it was smarter to start high and then lower the price. The difference at first is not that big and give better oportunities afterwards. Especially with a good reputation like the one MLG has.
You explained it well and that was what I was trying to say, perhaps I didn't explain myself as well as I could have. Essentially starting off higher gives better opportunities afterwards which would help MLG more than starting out lower and increasing the price.
Also right now 72% of people said they wouldn't buy it for $10, but if this first Arena event runs smoothly and people see that the past issues of technical difficulties are no longer a problem, consumer confidence will go up and many people who said they wouldn't pay $10 for it might consider buying it then. Plus the people outside of this site who just enjoy watching the game would be more inclined to pay $10 to watch, so if MLG went down that path, I think they would make out pretty well.
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Once again thwarted by John Nelson... ARGH!!!! 
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Also, If it was 20$ for high quality stream for the entire year, or even season. I might consider it, but as it is, 20$ for ONE weekend is just ridiculous when there are so many other alternatives... I think this tarnishes MLG's image, which sucks, because I really did think they weren't in it just for the money... Seems like being successful, rich and accessible isn't as important as being more rich.
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I don't know how much money MLG needs to make with this to break even but the number of viewers is going to be really sad
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On February 14 2012 07:59 careohx wrote:
Actually im totally fine with this. I think 20dollar is fine for a great weekend worth of entertainment. I dont know guys but if you want quality, well produced tournaments and esports to grow you need to accept things like this and realize that it is still cheaper than going to watch a movie... I quess this will only be an issue for young people who have no access to a credit card.
The last thing you mentioned will be a problem for me. I'll get my own credit card once I reach 18 later this year, but before that I guess I'll watch assembly or any other tournament that's free. Think this is a bad move by MLG.
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On February 15 2012 22:40 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:28 mememolly wrote:
should have an option to pay $5 for the last day, being from europe there is no way I'm going to watch the whole thing but I'd pay $5 for the last day or something I think MLG is quite inflexible with the 20$. There should be a more divided system: 10$ for the Tastosis stream 5$ for any other stream 5$ for the behind the scene stream 10% off for EU and other zones with bad timezone for the event. 20$ for the whole bundle
lol you make me laugh so hard... Watch the vods if your worried about time they aren't going to give you a discount because you want to watch it live when it is hosted in another country.... Do you think???
And to everyone else less qq more pew pew
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On February 15 2012 23:14 karpo wrote:
Man you really, really want to defend MLG. The reasons i presented are valid and saying that other EU tournaments don't have top competition doesn't really change the point as those tournaments are free to watch. The GSL is the only tournament that has a premium subscription service and they provide better level play, more content than the MLG does, a better selection of choices when it comes to premium content, and they also provide a free stream for their matches, something the MLG won't do (at least for now).
The GSL has built something from scratch and the fact that they have monthly subscriptions with clear definitions about what's included is a plus, contrary to the whole MLG gold membership debacle.
I said previously, I would be saying the same thing no matter who the league was. If it was GSL that did this, I would back them up in their decision and the same would go for IPL, IEM, NASL, etc. I don't just support MLG, I support the growth of competitive gaming and that includes all leagues, I'm not just backing up MLG because that's what I had as a platform because if the other leagues decided to follow suit and do PPV, I would support their decision to do so as well as any other decision that I felt would be for the better of E-sports. Between the GSL and MLG, GSL's competition is better and it's more prestigious but in terms of content both leagues are about the same. MLG is only charging for the Arena events, the large scale events will have a free stream and the online qualifiers for the Arenas are completely free and are streamed in HD. I didn't post here to compare MLG to GSL and such though, I posted to give a better explanation as to why MLG might possibly run this PPV model the way they are and to explain that it will actually benefit us rather than hurt us.
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