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Noro
Canada991 Posts
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2vs2.Zepiii
Belgium134 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:04 Zepiii wrote: Because I'm team lover player (and master) and I almost never play 1on1 ! So sick that 2v2 isn't more popular while it's a mix a teamplay, skill and micro ! There's this weird community-wide contempt for team games in the SC scene. Has been the same with War3 too. People will play team games a lot, you'll find thousands of people with many more team games on their history than 1vs1 matches, yet as soon as you're talking about team games, everyone will treat it like the plague. People will ramble on about how team games take no skill, take away from the "real game" that is the solo ladder, and how it's a waste of time and server bandwidth bla bla bla. And this isn't just coming from high level players; you see these arguments thrown around in Bronze discussions as well. And then they wonder why noone bothers to join the friendly, tolerant and open 1vs1 club. | ||
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Asturas
Finland587 Posts
The reason why today I almost don't play 1v1 on ladder is Bnet. There was a time when as a Platinum league player I played almost only with Diamonds. And I was mostly winning. But for some reason Bnet never gave me promotion to Diamond. So I discouraged and stopped playing. When I came back to 1v1 ladder moved on. I started to lose with Platinums and sometimes even with Golds. So this season I played only ~30 games on 1v1 ladder. I play only team games and sometimes I ladder on 1v1 KR server. Anyway, I don't mind that Bnet 2.0 is lacking many important features. I am just angry that promotion rules are so ridiculous sometimes. League system makes me wanna advance. When I really feel I deserve it and I am angry and discouraged from playing. One more example. When I was in Gold league, before advancing to Platinum I played with few Diamond players. I lost most of those games (come on, I was Gold!). I understand that if I keep winning with Diamonds Bnet may have (or probably may have not...) promote me at some point to Diamond straight from Gold. But it is frustrating when you are winning most of your games and Bnet instead of promoting you is giving you too skilled opponents. Don't like this system and this is most important reason to me. That's why I stopped 1v1 laddering. Broken promotion system. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:33 tuho12345 wrote: tbh we didn't have much RTS games to play at that time beside BW lol what time are we talking about? the game was still up and running in 2009. And WC3 is still popular. | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
Lately though I feel as if there isn't much point, you never seem to get promoted except if you win your placement game every new season, which happens for me, so atm i'm just staying top 3 diamond, hopefully get masters next season and hang about in low masters. The reason i don't play much right now is because of the matchups, I don't mind "all in, cheese", I do however mind ZvZ, the matchup is so brutal in how the early game works, and the matchup for me just isn't FUN, its not a matter if i win or not, over 50% of my ZvZs that aint build order losses like 15hatch vs pool before overlord, but the matchup isn't fun for me. My favorite matchup is ZvT, I really like that matchup, controlling mutas, ling/bane or infestor/ling, its really enjoyable. and I mostly play 15hatch, gas, pool builds, try and get some map control, I useally overmake some lings early and counterattack while they're hellions are outside my base, its fun. I also like ZvP, in this matchup I use a lot of aggressive builds lately, because i've had a hard time dealing with 2base "all-ins", and doing things like expand, 30 drones and get 18 roaches followed by lings, it almost always kills their nexus if its on a map with a wide open natural, or something like expand, get 7 roaches and attack, if they try and tech VERY quickly then I can do some damage, kill probes, kill sentries, or the nexus, depends on the map. I just wish there was a filter to choose your matchups, I HATE ZvZ, I wish i could play TvZ, ZvT and ZvP. Right now for me, to get way better, i'd have to spend a lot more time, I consistently beat mid/low masters, but I feel that because zerg is a reactive race, you can't really do whatever you want till lategame, because protoss/terran got walls to prevent that. I feel protoss or terran can be like "Hey, I wanna do this wonky attack" and succed if zerg doesn't know it, but for zerg, you have set "all ins" early aggresion, like a 7 roach rush, baneling bust, or the roach/bane bust in zvt. These are VERY powerful attacks, but also predictable, a protoss or terran can do some sort of wierd aggresive build and catch you off guard. My last idea for the latter would be to seperate your account to have 4 different "ladder accounts", one for zerg, one for protss, one for terran and one for random. I really wanna play terran, but my friends stopped playing, and if I queue up on the ladder as terran, I get stomped because I don't know the builds perfectly, my macro is far inferior to that I have as zerg. I would say my terran is mid platinum / top gold, my micro is really good with bio, my tank use is pretty awful, but I can't practise it because i'll get paired with people far better at the matchup than me. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
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cameler
Canada99 Posts
On April 10 2012 17:44 NukeD wrote: The reason I stopped playing was wanting to throw up every time I saw 200/200 armies as explained here. That in combination with disgusting unit design makes this simply a bad pc game for me. Yeah I can't take SC2 that seriously. It is a miracle groups like EG and TL survive in the west. However, it is still fun against PC in GTAI mode. I simply cannot ladder against nerds that take this game so seriously like most of the people I encounter. | ||
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WartotheDeath
United States1 Post
Of course battlenet 2.0 isn't great either. In custom games when someone joins and lags out. You have to wait a good minute or two for them to drop while everyone has to sit there. Yeah and like a lot of other people said what custom games? I used to love playing all the different ones in brood war. Hopefully the next patch takes care of this. I also don't get why Blizzard balanced the game around the big championships so much. Couldn't you have just modded the competetive championship games and left other certain aspects alone for the rest of your game and players? That kind of design does not make much sense to me. Lots of really good points brought up in this thread. Also first post hello. | ||
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cameler
Canada99 Posts
On April 10 2012 19:12 WartotheDeath wrote: BM BM and more BM. I just blocked everyone because I was sick of getting BMed every game. That helped a lot. I have never seen so much crap talk in a game. I d k. I don't remember it being that way in brood war and starcraft so much but wow. Then once everyone is blocked. You never really get to team up or meet anyone. On steam, my list is completely full of friends. Of course battlenet 2.0 isn't great either. In custom games when someone joins and lags out. You have to wait a good minute or two for them to drop while everyone has to sit there. Yeah and like a lot of other people said what custom games? I used to love playing all the different ones in brood war. Hopefully the next patch takes care of this. I also don't get why Blizzard balanced the game around the big championships so much. Couldn't you have just modded the competetive championship games and left other certain aspects alone for the rest of your game and players? That kind of design does not make much sense to me. Lots of really good points brought up in this thread. Also first post hello. THIS is what bothered me the most regarding the balance aspects. YES the game is balanced... just not for us... Blizzard would rather "balance" the game for Code S rather than for us in lower leagues, even though the people in Code S could still pull the same bullshit moves that cheesers on ladder pull. You don't balance the game to favour the cheesers in the early game, you balance to tone down the unit strengths across all races. The fewer WHOA LOOK AT THAT COOL UNIT moments, the better. What the hell is the mothership for other than for EYE CANDY? Nerf EVERYTHING then I will play in a more macro oriented setting. Yeah, NERF EVERYTHING... | ||
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ngooo
Germany102 Posts
On February 18 2012 15:47 SoBeDragon wrote: I guess the common ground with all of this is that there is little to no way to measure how you're doing. Since ladder points are worthless, it's hard to tell if you're getting better or not. I really wish they would just do away with this phantom point system and either reveal MMR or use the WC3 laddering system. Here's hoping that Battle.net gets revamped in HotS Yeah that is exactly how I feeI about the game. You seemingly don't have any way to measure your progress/improvement with other people, aside from the ladder of your division. It would be really great if Blizzard would implement something to show you how much you improved lately, like showing your MMR and not only the points and rank in your division with people you don't really know. Even if there would be a clansupport, one could implement an internal ladder to compare the progress you have made with your clanmembers. It's the little things that give the game more sociablity. Also it would be a great feature to watch replays with your friends in a group... There are just so much possibilities to make 1v1 ladder more attractive but I really don't see Blizzard doing anything. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
SC2 has the potential to be ten times larger than it currently is - the map making facilities built into the game are the best I've seen outside of Neverwinter Nights. It's a far more enjoyable game than LoL which after playing Terran in SC2 and the vastly more fun PvP of WoW feels just.. bad. As for the 1v1 ladder, how to improve it? - better chat - more obvious improvement metrics - let you see your damn MMR! Seriously. Blizzard have made billions successfully employing the carrot approach. Let people see how good they are. Hell, I'm a teacher. You can't punish people into doing well. Doesn't work. | ||
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
I know there's already the daily tournaments like Playhem, but we need something from Blizzard. | ||
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EternalAce
Denmark8 Posts
however, it is quite stressful, and hard to "enjoy casually". I was the type of guy, who thought like "imma be the next top EU player", and then found out how much dedication and work it requires. also, I had alot of anger and problems irl, so I thought it would be best just to do something else. but I do miss the game now and then, and I will start again eventually.. when I get a new computer, but I believe I will play the game abit less. took it way too serious before.. but I love this game and rly look forward to hots! but I did make it high rank master, so maybe I could had become something  never know. but progaming is just not me, it's not what I wanna do, but I love playing in general, but I also like to stand out of the crowd, and show that I am something special. | ||
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Tarfire
Canada67 Posts
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
Isn't the majority of the player base Bronze - Platinum? I can't remember that exact numbers off the top of my head, but I know most players are in that level of play. So like I said earlier, have daily tournaments like those in WC3, because I doubt the majority of casual players in the lower leagues know anything about the current non-blizzard sponsored daily tournaments. Have something on the front page when you log in that shows when the tournament is and what not and you'll start to see people logging in everyday to participate in them. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
There is a huge window of opportunity to make SC2 much bigger than BW ever was - it's a better designed game at its core and is being limited only by Blizzard's reluctance to deviate from the hands off strategy they're using atm. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
I remember how constantly hyped I was playing ladder and BNet WC3 tournaments on old BNet... now, I'll rather play Custom games in SC2. If I could motivate myself to play crazy amount of games and give a shot for GM league I would play but then again if I was GM worthy player I wouldn't care about ladder for other reasons. Even if I believe people at Blizzard aren't total morons and decisions/changes they make are carefully calculated I just can't understand reasoning behind terrible changes BNet 2.0 introduced, they basically killed everything good BNet as platform essentially stood for... and that, when I think about it, makes me kinda angry. Being angry on platform that servers as gateway to my gaming isn't best thing as initiative for playing. | ||
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