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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 08 2012 18:23 GMT
#21
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 18:27:16
February 08 2012 18:25 GMT
#22
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...


Wait, what? So winrates were >70% for Zerg, then suddenly when Protoss got this straw that broke the camel's back, the winrate suddenly switched to being P-favoured?

How does that make sense to you?

The change in winrate came from the players and the way of playing, not from any patches.

Although I do think maps had a bit of an impact.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
February 08 2012 18:26 GMT
#23
The sad thing about it all is that blizzard had to instigate those changes to change the meta. I agree none of the changes were that major yet protosses still went with it and it had a deep impact.
blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
February 08 2012 18:26 GMT
#24
Even the non-SlayerS want a piece of MMA..... What is going on?
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
February 08 2012 18:26 GMT
#25
wow the 2nd placed finisher sure practiced with plenty of people! I like that gogo XXXXX!
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2012 18:27 GMT
#26
Could PartinG be about to walk the Royal Road? I remember GSL November when nobody knew who he was. He has come a long way.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
February 08 2012 18:28 GMT
#27
so true parting, better be disliked then overlooked!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2012 18:28 GMT
#28
On February 09 2012 03:26 blamekilly wrote:
Even the non-SlayerS want a piece of MMA..... What is going on?


With MVP in Code A, MMA is now arguably the hottest player in the world right now, and with his relatively weak TvP, MC and PartinG see an opportunity to win big.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 08 2012 18:33 GMT
#29
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...

Just because MC's two and three base timings crush zergs doesnt mean other aspects of the game are imba the other way. Perhaps blizz doesnt like seeing mass muta or BL infestor work protoss so much? There gonna have to do someting once MS is gone.
MC for president
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 08 2012 18:40 GMT
#30
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...

Um the matchup is still zerg favored look at the stats. I guess protoss is never supposed to win in your eyes and if they do start approaching even 50% for even a month the whining begins with zergs.
MC for president
Mirosuu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
England283 Posts
February 08 2012 18:53 GMT
#31
I think the patch came at a time where the Protoss players were actually just learning to play better and safer (see: more than 1 observer). So I think both of those things collided and caused this, and even so, I don't think Protoss are in any way OP. They just learned how to play, now the Terran's and Zerg's need to follow suit.

I'm just happy for the success for Protoss, as they've not been in a GSL final since InCa's failure against NesTea in the early summer.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 08 2012 18:53 GMT
#32
On February 09 2012 03:40 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...

Um the matchup is still zerg favored look at the stats. I guess protoss is never supposed to win in your eyes and if they do start approaching even 50% for even a month the whining begins with zergs.


Actually in Korea it's currently ~55% for Protoss.

http://imgur.com/a/hQHYS

Of course, internationally PvZ is horrific, but that's not the highest level of play. Once mass Muta into BL/Infestor starts getting figured out, international PvZ should get much better.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
February 08 2012 19:00 GMT
#33
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
February 08 2012 19:02 GMT
#34
looking forward to the r8 actions. maybe its time for mc's 3rd trophy. but id rather mma win though!
Sylailene
Profile Joined February 2011
91 Posts
February 08 2012 19:02 GMT
#35
Wish I could get my girlfriend a gsl championship lol, he is such a boss
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
February 08 2012 19:03 GMT
#36
Thanks so much for this!! Great addition to the PartinG fanclub!
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:09:14
February 08 2012 19:08 GMT
#37
On February 09 2012 03:53 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:40 tdt wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...

Um the matchup is still zerg favored look at the stats. I guess protoss is never supposed to win in your eyes and if they do start approaching even 50% for even a month the whining begins with zergs.


Actually in Korea it's currently ~55% for Protoss.

http://imgur.com/a/hQHYS

Of course, internationally PvZ is horrific, but that's not the highest level of play. Once mass Muta into BL/Infestor starts getting figured out, international PvZ should get much better.

If you look properly December was 55% for Protoss, January was 55% for Zerg. That things can flip around that much with no big patches going on just shows that it's a very small sample size and that both sides can win the matchup fine. MC has always been super confident against Zerg, it doesn't have much to do with the current state of PvZ.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
February 08 2012 19:11 GMT
#38
To be honest, I feel that as long as I can make it past the round of 8, there are no other competitors that can defeat me. If I make it past the round of 8, I can already look forward to winning the championship

After losing 0-2 to MC lol.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
February 08 2012 19:12 GMT
#39
On February 09 2012 03:25 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...


Wait, what? So winrates were >70% for Zerg, then suddenly when Protoss got this straw that broke the camel's back, the winrate suddenly switched to being P-favoured?

How does that make sense to you?

The change in winrate came from the players and the way of playing, not from any patches.

Although I do think maps had a bit of an impact.


Infestor change, Warp prism buff, cheaper upgrades are all pretty major changes helping out PvZ :>
Progamertwitter.com/welmu1 | twitch.com/Welmu1
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:18:52
February 08 2012 19:14 GMT
#40
On February 09 2012 03:40 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...

Um the matchup is still zerg favored look at the stats. I guess protoss is never supposed to win in your eyes and if they do start approaching even 50% for even a month the whining begins with zergs.

I don't think they care about some silly ladder ratings.
The only thing they care about is the GSL (code A and S) and let's be honest, zergs are getting slaughtered this season.
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