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IMNotMvp
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)530 Posts
February 08 2012 19:14 GMT
#41
PARTING ♥♥
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
February 08 2012 19:15 GMT
#42
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:23:55
February 08 2012 19:23 GMT
#43
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Wha? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but MC pretty much stated flat out that protoss is OP, at least in PvZ.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
February 08 2012 19:24 GMT
#44
The changes aren't the problem. Those changes simply plugged some really poor design that made Protoss too fragile.

No race should be fragile.

But the issue is that Protoss timing attacks hit too hard with warpin, and their lategame is not contestable, at least for Terran.
tpfkan
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 08 2012 19:31 GMT
#45
On February 09 2012 04:12 Welmu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:25 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...


Wait, what? So winrates were >70% for Zerg, then suddenly when Protoss got this straw that broke the camel's back, the winrate suddenly switched to being P-favoured?

How does that make sense to you?

The change in winrate came from the players and the way of playing, not from any patches.

Although I do think maps had a bit of an impact.


Infestor change, Warp prism buff, cheaper upgrades are all pretty major changes helping out PvZ :>


In which case you would expect the winrate to change with each patch, as they did not all occur in one patch. Protoss would gradually gain a higher percentage, but they didn't. It just went BOOM from about 37% to >50% all of a sudden. And at the same time, playstyle's changed dramatically.

I don't see this as a coincidence.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 08 2012 19:32 GMT
#46
On February 09 2012 04:23 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Wha? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but MC pretty much stated flat out that protoss is OP, at least in PvZ.


Well, he could have meant that he was really good at it. Nestea would state that he would crush pretty much anyone in a ZvZ, but that doesn't make ZvZ imbalanced (obv).

Also, you did misunderstand his post. Nestea, MVP et al have complained about the state of Terran or Zerg when they were in interviews, even when they had phenomenal winrates and Protoss was being wiped clean from GSL. MC doesn't do that.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
February 08 2012 19:34 GMT
#47
Dem fightin' words.

Gogogo, Parting.
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
February 08 2012 19:34 GMT
#48
What was the royal road reference in parting's interview about?
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
fishuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States369 Posts
February 08 2012 19:38 GMT
#49
Ahahaha, nice to see Parting's not short of confidence.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 08 2012 19:39 GMT
#50
MC boss as always. Interesting to see that he'd openly say that he thinks Protoss has the advantage in PvZ, when the stats don't really back it up.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:39:54
February 08 2012 19:39 GMT
#51
MC confident of 3-0 any zerg, DRG and Idra bitching about ZvP, is ZvP really that broken atm ?
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:45:39
February 08 2012 19:42 GMT
#52
On February 09 2012 04:32 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:23 red4ce wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Wha? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but MC pretty much stated flat out that protoss is OP, at least in PvZ.


Well, he could have meant that he was really good at it. Nestea would state that he would crush pretty much anyone in a ZvZ, but that doesn't make ZvZ imbalanced (obv).

Also, you did misunderstand his post. Nestea, MVP et al have complained about the state of Terran or Zerg when they were in interviews, even when they had phenomenal winrates and Protoss was being wiped clean from GSL. MC doesn't do that.


"Q: This current season seems to be the best chance for Protoss. As President of Protoss, what are your thoughts?
A: For PvT, the map order is really important, but for PvZ, it is true that Protoss has an advantage in that matchup. I will have to look out for tomorrow's group D matches to know who my next opponent will be. However, if a Zerg qualifies in second place for that group, I am confident of winning 3-0."

Well my interpretation of that quote is that he said protoss has an advantage, not that he personally has an advantage. He also doesn't seem to care whether it's Nestea or DRG who he faces, he's just confident that if he plays a zerg he'll win 3-0.

I'm aware of Nestea complaining about zerg even when he was doing well but I dunno about MVP. I only recall him saying there were too many terrans in code S and that he was going to knock the undeserving ones out.


On February 09 2012 04:39 HaXXspetten wrote:
MC boss as always. Interesting to see that he'd openly say that he thinks Protoss has the advantage in PvZ, when the stats don't really back it up.


MC is the president toss, the pinnacle of protoss play. Only balance at the very top is relevant to MC, not the results of lesser competition.
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
February 08 2012 19:55 GMT
#53
all programers say ZVP is hard right now , the ones in the top tier. Stupid people in this thread claiming statistics WHICH ARE BASED ON HISTORY IE. THE PAST does not even make sense. Next month you guys will be claiming zvp is hard when progamers in korea might be stating the opposite.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
February 08 2012 19:58 GMT
#54
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Yeah but when it's doing bad he whines endlessly about it being the worst race.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
February 08 2012 19:59 GMT
#55
On February 09 2012 04:42 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:32 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:23 red4ce wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Wha? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but MC pretty much stated flat out that protoss is OP, at least in PvZ.


Well, he could have meant that he was really good at it. Nestea would state that he would crush pretty much anyone in a ZvZ, but that doesn't make ZvZ imbalanced (obv).

Also, you did misunderstand his post. Nestea, MVP et al have complained about the state of Terran or Zerg when they were in interviews, even when they had phenomenal winrates and Protoss was being wiped clean from GSL. MC doesn't do that.


"Q: This current season seems to be the best chance for Protoss. As President of Protoss, what are your thoughts?
A: For PvT, the map order is really important, but for PvZ, it is true that Protoss has an advantage in that matchup. I will have to look out for tomorrow's group D matches to know who my next opponent will be. However, if a Zerg qualifies in second place for that group, I am confident of winning 3-0."

Well my interpretation of that quote is that he said protoss has an advantage, not that he personally has an advantage. He also doesn't seem to care whether it's Nestea or DRG who he faces, he's just confident that if he plays a zerg he'll win 3-0.

I'm aware of Nestea complaining about zerg even when he was doing well but I dunno about MVP. I only recall him saying there were too many terrans in code S and that he was going to knock the undeserving ones out.

MVP's definitely balance-whined in the past before. I distinctly remember an interview in which he said that Terran was the weakest race.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 08 2012 20:00 GMT
#56
On February 09 2012 04:58 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Yeah but when it's doing bad he whines endlessly about it being the worst race.


What? Lol, I don't remember that. When did he do this?
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
February 08 2012 20:07 GMT
#57
On February 09 2012 04:58 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Yeah but when it's doing bad he whines endlessly about it being the worst race.


Never saw him do that. I've seen him always being honest though. When he won his first GSL, he said Protoss was not UP. There was a few other times too and this time also. Gotta respect that.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
February 08 2012 20:08 GMT
#58
On February 09 2012 04:58 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:15 double620 wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:00 K3Nyy wrote:
MC is such a beast! I really like his honest opinions in the interview. I'm looking forward to his 3rd GSL win!


You got to respect Mc. When toss is doing well, he will honestly tell you other races are not imba unlike some others.


Yeah but when it's doing bad he whines endlessly about it being the worst race.


he never blamed his losses on imbalance...he always said protoss as the weakest and terran strongest to poke fun at the statistics
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
February 08 2012 20:14 GMT
#59
Protoss just have a TON of very effective early game timing pushes. Put that on top of massive advantage that warpins can be late game, and protoss are finally starting to utilize their full power. Zergs can still win win the matchup just fine. But it requires excellent game sense to know what easly pressure to counter as well as when to take 4 bases and drone up. It's a very interesting matchup right now, IMO.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
February 08 2012 20:14 GMT
#60
On February 09 2012 04:31 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:12 Welmu wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:25 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:23 sitromit wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:03 sitromit wrote:
So MC himself confirms what DRG and Nestea were tweeting about recently. Yet Blizzard is talking about even more Protoss buffs...


Think about PvZ a couple of months ago. Zergs just crushed Protoss, P was at like 38% winrate in GSL including Code A.

What changed? Maps. Immortal range. Upgrades costs.

None of those are massive alone, the really P favoured maps are already gone. CBTS is gone, most maps are considered either Zerg favoured or balanced.

PvZ is still a really unexplored matchup, so while I don't see P buffs as necessary (for PvZ), it's not like Zerg are totally screwed right now.


No, it's more like the cumulative effects of several Protoss buffs over several patches finally reaching a tipping point along with metagame changes. If they buff even further, I can't even imagine how it will be...


Wait, what? So winrates were >70% for Zerg, then suddenly when Protoss got this straw that broke the camel's back, the winrate suddenly switched to being P-favoured?

How does that make sense to you?

The change in winrate came from the players and the way of playing, not from any patches.

Although I do think maps had a bit of an impact.


Infestor change, Warp prism buff, cheaper upgrades are all pretty major changes helping out PvZ :>


In which case you would expect the winrate to change with each patch, as they did not all occur in one patch. Protoss would gradually gain a higher percentage, but they didn't. It just went BOOM from about 37% to >50% all of a sudden. And at the same time, playstyle's changed dramatically.

I don't see this as a coincidence.

takes while to adapt~
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