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31,500 Replays - A look at balance in Starcraft II - Page 13

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ZeroTalent
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
February 04 2012 21:32 GMT
#241
This is great stuff ... is the full replay pack available somewhere? I'd love to use it to look at win rates based on matchup and the length of the game...
Can we get an official definition of "all-in"? Please?
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
February 04 2012 21:33 GMT
#242
On February 05 2012 03:57 OnYourWifi wrote:
What are the winrates for each matchup for the various game lengths? SC2Gears reports this.


Now this would be some good data statistically.

Could you report on the winrates per matchup on various game length OP?
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
February 04 2012 21:40 GMT
#243
Everything looks pretty balanced to me. Thanks OP for going into the trouble of presenting this data to us, was rather useful.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
February 04 2012 21:41 GMT
#244
Funny, for the longest time, everyone always talks about Metalopolis being a "zerg map", but Terran is actually up 1% in that matchup.
We CAN have nice things
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2408 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 21:47:18
February 04 2012 21:46 GMT
#245
On February 05 2012 06:33 Dalavita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 03:57 OnYourWifi wrote:
What are the winrates for each matchup for the various game lengths? SC2Gears reports this.


Now this would be some good data statistically.

Could you report on the winrates per matchup on various game length OP?


PLEASE do this. That would be fantastic- like having winrates for games <12minutes and games >12 minutes.

[edit] Or even better, do winrates >average game length and <average game length for each map.
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Monitor
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 21:47 GMT
#246
Mother of god.
DashedHopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada414 Posts
February 04 2012 21:48 GMT
#247
Wow that collage is rlly cool lol quite interesting
ZeroTalent
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
February 04 2012 21:53 GMT
#248
On February 05 2012 06:33 Dalavita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 03:57 OnYourWifi wrote:
What are the winrates for each matchup for the various game lengths? SC2Gears reports this.


Now this would be some good data statistically.

Could you report on the winrates per matchup on various game length OP?


It doesn't report it directly. You can get an individual players' WR by game length, and you can get their WR by matchup. But you can't get matchup win rates for a group of players. You have to get a group of replays, paste the data into Excel, and then do a bunch of stuff. It's not rocket science, but it is work. (Work I'd be willing to do if someone has a zip file with 30K replays :D)
Can we get an official definition of "all-in"? Please?
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
February 04 2012 22:10 GMT
#249
very impressive OP.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16081 Posts
February 04 2012 22:22 GMT
#250
In general these stats tend to reinforce general forum opinion.

Shattered favors Terran in TvZ

Dual Sight sucks for Protoss

etc.

What I find interesting is that the stats for Shakuras in particular are so close. From my own experience I would have expected Terrans to have a larger advantage there in TvZ especially, ditto with Metalopolis and Zerg.

I think the variable that is not being specifically mentioned in the OP is the amount of early game all ins present across the replays.I think that might be a big contributing factor in the stats on these maps but I'm not entirely sure i have a good iea of how it sways it.

I'd really like to see an analytical post done by some of the guys who actually watched all of the replays, as much as I am excited to see this kind of quantitative data, there's a lot to speculate on without actually seeing the replays for myself.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
awakenx
Profile Joined May 2011
United States341 Posts
February 04 2012 22:34 GMT
#251
how are there more gg's than replays... o.o
WorstMicroNA
EventHorizoN
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany101 Posts
February 04 2012 22:35 GMT
#252
Wow. Thank you!
Urlacher
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
February 04 2012 22:35 GMT
#253
This are such nice stats!
Thanks so much for putting it together. <3
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
ZeroTalent
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
February 04 2012 22:40 GMT
#254
On February 05 2012 07:34 deathtrance wrote:
how are there more gg's than replays... o.o


Some people say gg at the start of the game.
Can we get an official definition of "all-in"? Please?
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 04 2012 22:40 GMT
#255
On February 05 2012 07:34 deathtrance wrote:
how are there more gg's than replays... o.o


Player 1 (loser): gg
Player 2 (winner): gg

....
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
February 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#256
On February 05 2012 06:24 AfricanPsycho wrote:
The most favoured protoss map is 53% (pvz), come on blizz we need more P favoured maps please.

Looks like there are no PvT favoured maps, only vice versa. Its tuff to be a toss these days seriously!

Nope, cloud kingdom has TvP 45% which means PvT 55%
Search "[SO]" on B.net to find all my maps ||| Cloud Kingdom / Turbo Cruise '84 / Bone Temple / Eternal Empire / Zen / Purity and Industry / Golden Wall / Fortitude / Beckett Industries / Waterfall
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
February 04 2012 23:00 GMT
#257
On February 05 2012 07:40 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 07:34 deathtrance wrote:
how are there more gg's than replays... o.o


Player 1 (loser): gg
Player 2 (winner): gg

....


LOL i guess deathtrance had a derp moment
Guardian1972
Profile Joined August 2010
United States40 Posts
February 04 2012 23:07 GMT
#258
Very nice stats ... thanks playhem
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
February 04 2012 23:13 GMT
#259
On February 05 2012 07:52 Superouman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 06:24 AfricanPsycho wrote:
The most favoured protoss map is 53% (pvz), come on blizz we need more P favoured maps please.

Looks like there are no PvT favoured maps, only vice versa. Its tuff to be a toss these days seriously!

Nope, cloud kingdom has TvP 45% which means PvT 55%


I wonder why cloud kingdom is the only one where protoss wins vs terran?

I bet you it is really hard for terran to drop protoss on that map, because you can simultaneously defend the third and main from drops on the left, and defend nat and main from drops on the right.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
February 05 2012 00:01 GMT
#260
Interesting stats, Tal Darim has always felt very balanced to me in my ladder games.
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