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Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
February 01 2012 23:48 GMT
#21
Although there aren't any major tournaments online; there is so much high quality competitive gaming that you can get right at your computer, right at home. It's nice to mix it up a bit by going to see the players, the games, how it happens and just being a part of it. It's like any sporting event. Right now Im pretty happy with the balance of sitting at home or going to an event that eSports already offers. It's going to get even better too as eSports continue to grow and there are more big local tourneys.
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
February 01 2012 23:48 GMT
#22
On February 02 2012 08:38 Peleus wrote:

Cheating -
I'd say this is a fair point. I'd say however that it appears that lots of online tournaments do take place (although not the major ones) and cheating doesn't seem to be a huge issue at this stage, however I acknowledge this may change in the future with either different hacks developing or the prize stakes increasing.



The problem with cheating in Online tournaments isnt so much hacks, but rather that it will be broadcasted live, meaning you could watch what the other person is doing with it ever being able to prove it. And no one wants to watch replays being casted(if its a major tournament such as Dreamhack etc).
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 01 2012 23:49 GMT
#23
Live is always better than online.

Always.
Saiton
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden467 Posts
February 01 2012 23:49 GMT
#24
If you've never been to a LAN event i can see this question popping up. I went to Dreamhack Winter 2011 and the SC2 finals in the arena with 4000 people was just amazing!
Top diamond terran streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/saitontv
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
February 01 2012 23:51 GMT
#25
On February 02 2012 08:48 aderum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 08:38 Peleus wrote:

Cheating -
I'd say this is a fair point. I'd say however that it appears that lots of online tournaments do take place (although not the major ones) and cheating doesn't seem to be a huge issue at this stage, however I acknowledge this may change in the future with either different hacks developing or the prize stakes increasing.



The problem with cheating in Online tournaments isnt so much hacks, but rather that it will be broadcasted live, meaning you could watch what the other person is doing with it ever being able to prove it. And no one wants to watch replays being casted(if its a major tournament such as Dreamhack etc).


That is not the problem to my knowledge. You can easily add 5 minutes caster delay if you want to, which makes that kind of cheating impossible. What you cannot prevent are hacks on the PCs, Teammates standing behind the player and giving advice (which might be unhelpfull in many cases, but simply having someone else watching the minimap as well can be a huge help). Hell you need to jump through some special hoops to make sure the correct guy is even playing...

What most current tournaments do is "hope" to some extent that the honor system works. Trust me, if we had a tournament worth 100k online that hope would be a completly unacceptable risk.
Stiver
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada285 Posts
February 01 2012 23:54 GMT
#26
I've watched this game since beta, and to this date the only live tournament I have ever been to was MLG Columbus. The best expereince I ever had, despite the games not being as good as some online ones, was the one time I went to an MLG Live

Live was so very much better
"The most difficult thing in the world is to know how to do a thing and to watch someone else do it wrong without comment."
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
February 01 2012 23:54 GMT
#27
Well offline tournaments is just so much better than online. Mostly because the crowd/cheering/adrenaline and the atmosphere in general. The casting. Players interacting with the fans etc. Online tournaments is good too but i prefer offline tournaments. And nowadays we can watch the offline tournaments over the streams so.

Before we didn't even have streams and such.
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
February 01 2012 23:58 GMT
#28
I prefer offline tournaments casted from replays. Not as much waiting around for matches and not as many technical issues causing awkward moments. With SC2 being a global sport ,with people playing all around the world knowing the results immediately is not as important to me as watching a well produced show.
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
February 02 2012 00:02 GMT
#29
It's fun.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 00:40:39
February 02 2012 00:39 GMT
#30
Ways people can cheat online:

- Maphacking
- Stream watching
- Using friends/team mates to watch and give you tips as you play (I imagine this goes on a lot in online tournaments).
- Let other people play on your account

Online tournaments are fun but LAN is all that really matters.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
February 02 2012 00:44 GMT
#31
I really think that even from an online stream-viewer's point of view, I still enjoy watching LAN's.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
February 02 2012 00:48 GMT
#32
by far scheduling and latency. offline tournaments create the fairest environment.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
February 02 2012 00:54 GMT
#33
Take your question and ask it for everything.
Why do fans go to live sporting events?
Why to presidents fly to other countries to meet people?
Etc.
Erucious
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway393 Posts
February 02 2012 11:36 GMT
#34


Girls screaming because of the sick storms, and all the hundreds of other examples of people losing their mind in real life, is the reason why live events are so much better.
I'm Norwegian/Dutch. Just the awesome parts of them though :D
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:50:31
February 02 2012 11:42 GMT
#35
The primary answer lies in viewer preference. Whether the viewer preference is rational is a wholly different matter.

We like strange things. For example, why does people care about whether the games are live or replays from yesterday? As long as we can control for leaks, does it really matter? Unfortunately, people care about that a lot. Given same conditions, a replay-based broadcast will suffer a third in viewership reduction compared to a live one.
Thank God and gunrun.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:47:23
February 02 2012 11:45 GMT
#36
It's also important to remember that a lot of these events (dreamhack and assembly come to mind) are pre-existing events that have simply added SC2 to their tournament list.

Although MLG is taking more of an online approach. Online qualifiers followed up with a broadcast only winter finals. We'll see how it goes :D
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
February 02 2012 11:51 GMT
#37
When the online environment will offer a latency that is hardly noticeable we'll start to see a heavier direction towards online tournaments.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
February 02 2012 14:59 GMT
#38
On February 02 2012 20:51 Mouzone wrote:
When the online environment will offer a latency that is hardly noticeable we'll start to see a heavier direction towards online tournaments.


Even when two players are playing across from each other, all the signals have to go through the Bnet servers hundreds of miles away, hence the "no-lan" thing.
Thank God and gunrun.
Desti
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
February 02 2012 15:18 GMT
#39
Another question, why are there no tournament houses? I mean a neutral house in each country with neutral PCs and observers, maybe even a small viewer area. So players don't need to travel for each tournament around the globe with all the travel costs and you still have it cheat protected and live streaming compatible.
NurSo
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany13 Posts
February 02 2012 15:34 GMT
#40
Because there are not that many tourney´s in every country, but think or the GOM studios.
Also there would also be a limited count of people who could visit the event, this is the reason why MLG has different stations every time.

Homestory cup was so amazing!! I hope there will always be many offline tournaments, it´s pretty much better than online tourneys!!
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