EPTcArn and eSahara parts ways - Page 12
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FMStyles
Germany162 Posts
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On January 12 2012 20:34 RPR_Tempest wrote: If that is honestly the reason they dropped him, then that's fucking bullshit. cArn is an incredibly hard working player. He decides not to attend ONE TIME and they drop him even though he's sacrificed everything to try and participate in GSL? What the fuck, eSahara. EDIT: If you're going to be disrespectful and say shit like "Who cares, cArn has achieved nothing." Read his blogs before you post. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=299855 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=300320 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=301987 They sent him over there to participate and atleast try to qualify. If he had just dont that even if he though everyone was better then he'd still be on a team. But not even attempting a try is terrible cause it wasnt his own money going into him being sent there, and to live there.He wasted his teams money by not going an if I were management I would've dropped him also feeling extreamly betrayed. I know my skills are nowhere near good enough to even walk through the door at GSL though if someone were paying for me to be there god knows I'd show up. So no it's not bullshit cause when people dont do their job at work they get fired. He didnt do his job and now he has to suffer through the consequences of his actions. No ill will should fall upon eSahara for they were doing what any other team would or atleast shouldve done. They can't be wasting their own money on players who aren't doing what they were sent to do. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
On January 13 2012 04:42 Jakkerr wrote: Why is it a terrible mindset? cArn has no results, I can't imagine he makes any money and has a very limited fanbase. You can try to build that up but sometimes things just don't go exactly how you had planned them. If u practice in Korea for almost 2 years without sucess it's probably never gonna happen. Might aswell stop and work on a future. Do you realize that there are quite a lot of korean that live in a prohouse and just have not been able to qualify for Code A for over a year ? Does that mean they should stop playing the game ? No. So taking into account the fact that he hasn't been able to practice for 5-6 months... It's not like he participated in every playhem cup and never passed the first round. C'mon Code A qualifiers is one of the hardest tournament out there. | ||
arena_say_what
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
On January 12 2012 23:43 karpo wrote: Just because someone decides to live in Korea doesn't mean they get access to training partners or a decent place to practice. It's not as black and white as either you try and win or try and fail. There's lots of circumstances that affect the outcome. Maybe it's beneficial for esahara to kick cArn. But what irks me is that people like you can just breeze in and say "It's best if you do X". Do you know cArn, do you know all the circumstances or are you just sprouting your opinion as some kind of fact? Maybe you should use the word "maybe" some in your posts as it seems like you're just guessing. i'm not pretending my opinion is fact. it's just that - my opinion, which, like everyone else, i have a right to air on this forum. that's what forums are - a place for people to post their opinion. if moderators deleted everything that wasn't deemed factual the website would be a graveyard. that said, i've based my "opinion" on the events that i've described, which largely revolves around the fact that cArn hasn't had any results for a year. why that is the case is still speculative at this stage - carn has his side of events, esahara has announced theirs, although i wouldn't be surprised if internally they held a different view altogether. but even carn came out and said he wished esahara had just left their reasoning at "no results". if carn's prepared to accept that, what's your problem in me using it for the basis of my posts? it's an accepted fact; there's no need to burn me down in flames for it. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On January 12 2012 20:47 Detrimentally wrote: this is disguting. eSahara has lost my support and I hope they fail (or waste all of their money on more fake players). Like they wasted money on cArn right? They paid him to be there, they even wasted money on his cost of living there since thats what teams do. He paid them back in no way, not participating in team events, and having poor results in no gain for the team and thats what teams do. When a player isnt participating, not having expected results, and not showing up to tournaments will result in anyone being canned. If MVP started pulling that there isnt a doubt in my mind that IM would can him and not even think twice. So I think you need to calm down an look at this situation for what it is. A player not participating, having results, or benefiting the team in any way got fired which is what would happen to anyone out there. | ||
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MassacrisM
United Kingdom149 Posts
IMO there's absolutely no problem with a team removing a player posting lackluster results. Think of mouzSyck(?) a while back. He was recruited but was unable to have the ' breakout ' performance, and thus he was simply kicked out. If you're good enough, you get your chances. Some seem to take it for granted it seems. Just think of yourself being the director of a company, and one of your employees cannot contribute to the organization in any way, shape or form while still being able to receive salary. Would you want to keep him ? People feel bad for cArn cuz of the sacrifices he made, but we all need to remember that it was his decision to be there in the first place. They were the risks he was willing to make, and eSahara has to do what's best for them as a team. | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
imo the problem here was that he doesnt do team stuff with the team. (no offense intended here) each foreign team has "no results" players, but they dont get kicked out, because they do things for the team i.e. clanwars, practicing, etc. | ||
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Auren
United States82 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:04 Xeris wrote: It's funny how people complain when teams release cookie cutter explanations, "we were going in different directions so we decided to part ways," and now when a team actually posts the reasons they removed someone from their team everyone bitches? eSahara didn't handle it quite well, and even if it isn't true, their belief is what matters. They believed that he didn't put in enough effort. If you're not putting effort and not getting results == kicked from the team. That's what they said. They were actually 100% transparent, more so than almost every other team. And yet, when people now hear the real reason they complain. If eShara had said, "well, cArn and us decided to go a different direction," people would still be complaining and asking for the real reason. I understand why teams make the "going in a different direction" statement when these things happen. But, I'd appreciate if teams would use a bit more... variety? It's hard for me to read a team talk about wishing a player all the best in the future and how they both parted ways amicably and at the same time use the exact same statement every time. It makes the teams look lazy and like they don't give a shit to me. I'm morbidly waiting for one of the teams to fuck up and post a statement that ends up referencing a different player because they flat out copy/pasted the same statement and forgot to change one of the names... sigh. I fully understand that may sound unreasonable but the same tired PR statement gets boring  | ||
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Meki
Netherlands97 Posts
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Apollo_Shards
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
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Boof
Canada77 Posts
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leecH
Germany385 Posts
if you cant even let a player go with dignity there is only one conclusion to be made which is the team management is not up to the job. and what was the thing about having no place to train for 5-6 months? wtf this is.. wtf is this WTF am i even reading here?! this is just a reminder of how tiny and unprofessional the business side of starcraft2 is. i´d love to see some salaries and contracts made public so team managements act according to their "financial ego". shit like this makes me so angry.... | ||
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Suichoy
Canada397 Posts
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discobaas
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adnnn
United Kingdom36 Posts
Source: + Show Spoiler + Also, during this talk it was revealed to me that Naaama will not be making the trip to Korea thanks to an INCREDIBLE mistake on eSahara's part. I'll link you in the spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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leecH
Germany385 Posts
On January 13 2012 05:28 Suichoy wrote: The eSahara announcement isn't as bad as the OP makes it seems. The French version says that they wish him the best of luck in pursuing the GSL. If you can't read french, just use Google Translate. You will see the announcement is quite reasonable. i can read french. but in the world of money people talk differently. and saying "lack of dedication" in a public post by someones "ex boss" is shitting all over your face and rubbing it in to it. it does not matter if you end it with "and wish you good luck" because you still shit in someones face. i know i get a warning for this.. but i do make i point dont i? User was warned for this post | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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