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cArn and eSahara parts ways - Page 11
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
T'es capable! | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On January 13 2012 02:57 Erasme wrote: Jinro can beat top players while carn cannot. Jinro hasn't beaten many top players since he fell out of GSL. | ||
Poopi
France13012 Posts
I don't get why so much people shit on him because he didn't post result. Of course he did not do well in ESWC, since he had no proper training for a long time... However when he was practicing in the GOMHouse, he had a good MMR, being matched with the likes of FruitDealer (who was not that "bad" at the time, maybe low/mid GM mmr? that's still good for KR server) and Haypro, etc... but then he had no house to practice in. Thus he got flamed/trolled for nothing (especially on the french sites) for his "bad performance". I really hope that what he said in this thread is true, basically that he is still motivated and has started practicing again to become in shape, because even tho I don't really follow his stream (too many awesome koreans terrans out there so when you don't got enough time for streams...) I hope to see him one day in code A. About eSahara's decision, it's not a good or bad decision : if they dropped him because of the lack of results, they should have expected it since when you are in korea there is not anything to do besides GSL (and the KSL now! which is awesome but when you are not in a korean team...), and seeing how hard and rare code A qualifiers are (NO foreigner EVER went past the code A qualifiers) you get this situation. We don't know how hard he practices right now so we should not judge either him or eSahara's decision, anyways I hope that he will still try hard, keep fighting cArn :D. Oh and by the way it has been noticed already, but eSahara's international statements are kinda meh, english-wise. They should hire someone to translate properly because not anyone knows that they are a serious team, and this relatively bad english in their news hurt their image quite a bit imo | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:04 Xeris wrote: It's funny how people complain when teams release cookie cutter explanations, "we were going in different directions so we decided to part ways," and now when a team actually posts the reasons they removed someone from their team everyone bitches? eSahara didn't handle it quite well, and even if it isn't true, their belief is what matters. They believed that he didn't put in enough effort. If you're not putting effort and not getting results == kicked from the team. That's what they said. They were actually 100% transparent, more so than almost every other team. And yet, when people now hear the real reason they complain. If eShara had said, "well, cArn and us decided to go a different direction," people would still be complaining and asking for the real reason. People will always complain, no matter what... The organization has to figure it out themselves when to release more information or less. You can't please everyone. From reading the OP all I got is cArn couldn't practice (at a team house) for 6 months therefore his form is bad and eSahara expected him to win during this time. He was let go because of his lack of dedication (and refusal try and qualify for gsl) even though I assume getting into proS house would have been an improvement. I assume with any conflict, there was a miscommunication or a lack of communication on where cArn stood. Thems the breaks. Best of luck to cArn. **edit: I understand eSahara's decision since they r trying to run a business, just stinks since from my POV cArn really isn't at fault for his form. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:04 Xeris wrote: It's funny how people complain when teams release cookie cutter explanations, "we were going in different directions so we decided to part ways," and now when a team actually posts the reasons they removed someone from their team everyone bitches? eSahara didn't handle it quite well, and even if it isn't true, their belief is what matters. They believed that he didn't put in enough effort. If you're not putting effort and not getting results == kicked from the team. That's what they said. They were actually 100% transparent, more so than almost every other team. And yet, when people now hear the real reason they complain. If eShara had said, "well, cArn and us decided to go a different direction," people would still be complaining and asking for the real reason. I do like the transparency. Stating the real reason they did it is one thing they actually did right and that I can respect. Unfortunately that doesn't make the reason itself any more agreeable. And let's be honest, the only reason teams come up with "different directions" in the first place is because they know that the real reasons wouldn't be so widely accepted in the community. In a lot of cases it will be a lose-lose situation for the teams, but it's a situation they got themselves in and they only have themselves to blame (in this case, signing a player they don't believe in). The community should stand behind the player, at a fundamental level all of them are basically one of us. They are passionate about the game, they are committed to it, and they are the pillars of the community. The teams and organizations should tread carefully when it comes to making controversial moves, deal with the negative publicity it happens, and making it a higher priority to avoid it in the future. It takes guts to actually come out clean and state the real reasons for that, that's admirable and it can buy them some sympathy points, but it doesn't make them immune to criticism related to the actual issue. | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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dubRa
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But I also respect eSahara's decision. (Not their comment on cArn's motivation) It is hard do release a player, mostly because of community backslash. I think sc2 teams fear to release players too much. Best of luck cArn! | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
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Blackrobe
United States806 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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bigbeau
368 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:46 Balgrog wrote: Why was he "banned" from the GOM house? I would think they would ask him to leave or something for the FXO guys, but banned? Anyone know what he did? He wasnt banned as far as I know, they just ran out of room when the FXO team came. He wasn't really doing anything noteworthy so they 'kicked him out' because FXO came, but not for anything he did personally as far as I know. | ||
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Xiphid
Canada12 Posts
Carn alongside Fury were the first players to join eSahara on their Starcraft endeavor. Seven months later, while eSahara is expanding, cArn was in a delicate situation, living in south korea, he was expulsed from the GOM house, in order to create space for the FOX players. This long period without being able to practice brought disappointing results at ESWC and PPSL. After playing a few months in the ProS House, cArn did not want to go to the latest GSL qualifications estimating that his current gaming level would not suffice to win the necessary matches. Following what was interpreted as a lack of motivation eSahara has decided to part ways with cArn, who is not implicated in any team leagues (due to lag caused by the different zoning) eSahara hopes good fortune to cArn in his quest to the GSL as well as his search for a new team. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Strike_
Netherlands704 Posts
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On January 13 2012 02:57 Erasme wrote: Jinro can beat top players while carn cannot. No he can't lol, certainly not on a consistant basis atleast... | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:04 Xeris wrote: It's funny how people complain when teams release cookie cutter explanations, "we were going in different directions so we decided to part ways," and now when a team actually posts the reasons they removed someone from their team everyone bitches? eSahara didn't handle it quite well, and even if it isn't true, their belief is what matters. They believed that he didn't put in enough effort. If you're not putting effort and not getting results == kicked from the team. That's what they said. They were actually 100% transparent, more so than almost every other team. And yet, when people now hear the real reason they complain. If eShara had said, "well, cArn and us decided to go a different direction," people would still be complaining and asking for the real reason. The difference is that it's just morons who complain about teams not releasing all the information, in a business like this you SHOULDN'T. If people complain about that then let them be moronic. Dirt-talking a player like this is wrong wether or not TL whines about it. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On January 13 2012 02:54 ZAiNs wrote: This is a terrible mindset. What about Jinro? He had results at the very beginning of the year but since his January Code S Ro4 he hasn't had good results in Korea or outside of Korea. But like cArn, Jinro is still in Korea training, because he has dedication. Why is it a terrible mindset? cArn has no results, I can't imagine he makes any money and has a very limited fanbase. You can try to build that up but sometimes things just don't go exactly how you had planned them. If u practice in Korea for almost 2 years without sucess it's probably never gonna happen. Might aswell stop and work on a future. | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
A team should be providing a proper practice environment and try to accomodate the players, but in the end it is the player's job to contribute to the team. They are the employee, the team the employer. I'm not sure why it gets reversed so often when people discuss e-sports teams. When a team fires a player for not producing results, I'm surprised the team is getting such backlash. In the absense of other information, it should be the player who is seen as at fault. To say its not cArn's fault he isn't playing well is rediculous, and if thats the case, its hard to call him a "pro-gamer". If someone is a pro-gamer it is literally their job to play well. If they aren't playing well enough to earn a living then they really aren't a professional. | ||
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