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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 12 2012 15:39 GMT
#161
Wow, I was willing to give eSahara the benefit of the doubt on some the other things they have done that seem "unprofessional" but dropping cArn like this really makes me reconsider.
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
January 12 2012 15:40 GMT
#162
I think the situation is unfortunate for both parties - maybe something good can come from it..
    I hope the best for cArn (That other teams see how much support he has from the community for the dedication he has shown).

    I also hope other players see that a little bit of community interaction (like cArn's blogs) can go a long way in getting fans and support.

    Last, I hope esports organizations see some of the value in community reputation.

JBanKs
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
January 12 2012 15:40 GMT
#163
Another blow to eSahara? :Feel sorry for cArn, he is so motivated and I have a lot of respect for him
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fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
January 12 2012 15:45 GMT
#164
On January 13 2012 00:38 inamorato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 00:01 DwD wrote:
Just be real people. You can't keep a player forever if they never produce any results. Afaik they are housing him in Korea? Or maybe he paid for himself but if they are I think they at least can make some demands and he probably didn't fulfill with not even trying to qualify. Imagine if this was a football club, he would've been gone a long time ago. Anyway I don't wanna sound like a complete hater because I don't actually know who cArn is, I've just read his name a few times but it's just about being realistic.

You're from Sweden so I am assuming that when you say football you talk about euro football which in this analogy it doesn't really matter. Their are players in American football and soccer that never play a game but are just as much part of the team as anyone else.

You can't be MORE signed than anyone else.

And you want to talk about realism, they signed 2 korean beta players who have since fallen off and sent 2 players to Korea. Naama who placed 8th at Dreamhack being his highest and most notable achievement and Deathangel who doesn't have any legitimate accomplishments.

BEING REALISTIC they aren't going to achieve anything. I would be suprised to even see the seasoned beta koreans qualified for Code A.

i thought naama's best achievement was winning a dreamhack
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
January 12 2012 15:54 GMT
#165
No results, I never hear about this guy and not even trying to get to GSL? You cant have players in your team forever, in jobs too you get fired if you are bad. Simple as that.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
January 12 2012 15:54 GMT
#166
eSahara is turning into a joke more and more. Their statements are unprofessional as hell they switch players more than some players switch teams. I like carn's statement on the matter and I hope he can achieve his goals with another better team.
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inamorato
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States263 Posts
January 12 2012 15:55 GMT
#167
On January 13 2012 00:45 fcgog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 00:38 inamorato wrote:
On January 13 2012 00:01 DwD wrote:
Just be real people. You can't keep a player forever if they never produce any results. Afaik they are housing him in Korea? Or maybe he paid for himself but if they are I think they at least can make some demands and he probably didn't fulfill with not even trying to qualify. Imagine if this was a football club, he would've been gone a long time ago. Anyway I don't wanna sound like a complete hater because I don't actually know who cArn is, I've just read his name a few times but it's just about being realistic.

You're from Sweden so I am assuming that when you say football you talk about euro football which in this analogy it doesn't really matter. Their are players in American football and soccer that never play a game but are just as much part of the team as anyone else.

You can't be MORE signed than anyone else.

And you want to talk about realism, they signed 2 korean beta players who have since fallen off and sent 2 players to Korea. Naama who placed 8th at Dreamhack being his highest and most notable achievement and Deathangel who doesn't have any legitimate accomplishments.

BEING REALISTIC they aren't going to achieve anything. I would be suprised to even see the seasoned beta koreans qualified for Code A.

i thought naama's best achievement was winning a dreamhack

Yeah Enron's highest achievement was 90 dollars a share 2 years before the paper vanished and left copper.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 12 2012 15:56 GMT
#168
On January 12 2012 20:51 Marou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:36 Tidus Mino wrote:
Your post is really bias, and it's obvious you are affiliated with eSahara. If he felt he would get crushed in the qualifiers, of course he would not want to try as to lose badly would be hugely demotivating.


LOL i have nothing to do with eSahara, i just don't like the fact that there is so much hate around this team. I was very sceptical about this team when they started but they are looking to be a team that is there to stay.

Thing is, going to the qualifier is just one day, even if you don't think you will qualify, it's always good to take the tournament experience and i don't understand why he wouldn't even try.


No comment about the team's future.

I agree it doesn't hurt to go and it can be a good experience, but this being the last straw for dropping a player?

Loosey-goosey.
VPVanek
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada238 Posts
January 12 2012 16:05 GMT
#169
Not very professional.
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krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
January 12 2012 16:06 GMT
#170
On January 12 2012 20:30 Marou wrote:
I think this is a sad news, even if cArn has never reach any success, his sacrifice and motivation are inspiring to all other gamers. I don't understand why he didn't even tried to qualify...
I hope he stays in Korea and manage to be on GSL one day...although i totally understand the position of eSahara, this is not an acceptable behavior for a progamer.


you have nothing to do with the team, yet u fell in the position to judge cArn for the 3 lines of statement that eSahara gave?
Just stop it.

Keep it neutral in the OP; such things make me angry, and just show 0 respect for a player who dedicated a year of his life for sc2.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
January 12 2012 16:07 GMT
#171
On January 13 2012 00:56 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:51 Marou wrote:
On January 12 2012 20:36 Tidus Mino wrote:
Your post is really bias, and it's obvious you are affiliated with eSahara. If he felt he would get crushed in the qualifiers, of course he would not want to try as to lose badly would be hugely demotivating.


LOL i have nothing to do with eSahara, i just don't like the fact that there is so much hate around this team. I was very sceptical about this team when they started but they are looking to be a team that is there to stay.

Thing is, going to the qualifier is just one day, even if you don't think you will qualify, it's always good to take the tournament experience and i don't understand why he wouldn't even try.


No comment about the team's future.

I agree it doesn't hurt to go and it can be a good experience, but this being the last straw for dropping a player?

Loosey-goosey.


I think they put a lot more thought into it than whats appearing. They stated themsevles. They spoke with the ProS/RS house manager about carn and his performance. The manager had said that carn was not really playing that much and not putting in any hours, much perferring to play dota instead.

The looking at the fact he didn't auctally go to qualifers, eSahara must have felt somewhat like carn was wasting the teams resources to play dota when he should be playing sc2.

Maybe the way eSahara let him go wasn't perfect. But I understand their reasons.
momonami5
Profile Joined July 2011
United States109 Posts
January 12 2012 16:12 GMT
#172
look like Carn was wasting there resources and got dropped, no results , and quite frankely never heard any of this guy doing well in anything not even online tournaments. Also manager of pro house said carn wasting time playing Dota lol dunno why people saying esahara is bad , what unprofessional is getting paid to be a pro gamer and then playing Dota on team house.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 12 2012 16:13 GMT
#173
Of course it's an accumulation of things, but when you state it the way they did. It comes off poorly.

When you release a player you don't have to provide the public with a reason at all and if you do state the team is going in a different direction. ._.

Keep it private.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 16:22:06
January 12 2012 16:21 GMT
#174
On January 12 2012 20:42 gregnog wrote:
Dont worry they have.... Madelisk?


fun fact: madde lisk has more achievements than carn lol (2 times 3rd in iron lady cup while carn has no top 3 finish)

more seriously: they have still naama deathangel satiini and check who all of them probably are quite a bit better thatn carn
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
January 12 2012 16:24 GMT
#175
Aww =(
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krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
January 12 2012 16:25 GMT
#176
On January 12 2012 22:13 mTw|NarutO wrote:
It does not matter what he does sacrifice. His passion does not matter in terms of being a progamer. If he thinks so low of himself or just very high of others and that makes him not even try, he's just not progamer material.

Its not about not falling, its about rising again. GL to cArn, I don't understand his decision.


you can be happy, mTw is not like eSahara.
They were obviously just looking for something to get him out of the team.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 16:31:55
January 12 2012 16:27 GMT
#177
On January 13 2012 01:12 momonami5 wrote:
look like Carn was wasting there resources and got dropped, no results , and quite frankely never heard any of this guy doing well in anything not even online tournaments. Also manager of pro house said carn wasting time playing Dota lol dunno why people saying esahara is bad , what unprofessional is getting paid to be a pro gamer and then playing Dota on team house.


ever heard something of tyler or incontrol?

they even stream it sometimes lol


On January 13 2012 01:25 krisss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 22:13 mTw|NarutO wrote:
It does not matter what he does sacrifice. His passion does not matter in terms of being a progamer. If he thinks so low of himself or just very high of others and that makes him not even try, he's just not progamer material.

Its not about not falling, its about rising again. GL to cArn, I don't understand his decision.


you can be happy, mTw is not like eSahara.
They were obviously just looking for something to get him out of the team.


lol wtf
naruto has a full time job and his situation is not even close to being similar

carn just never had ANY results whatsoever so thats a good reason to kick him out of the team by itself
as i posted earlier:
even maddelisk has had more top 3 finishes (eventhough it was only online female cups but at leas SOMETHING)
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
January 12 2012 16:29 GMT
#178
Poor carn. Is it just me or does esahara seem like a very self important team? All they care about is PR and they don't show any actual results. Maybe if they took care of carn and let him practice the way he needs to, they'd actually get results. Right now they just seem like a bitchy teenager who's complaining about their 2010 mercedes being too out-of-date.
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
January 12 2012 16:32 GMT
#179
Was wondering why carn was stuck in a roster with no results for so long. Not attempting to qualify after months and months on end in Korea is pretty saddening if you ask me.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 12 2012 16:33 GMT
#180
Well, there was probably more behind that decision than what is made public.

Anyways, hard to tell why they really axed carn, I am not well informed enough about the european leagues to say where the other players on the roster stand like skill- and result-wise.


On January 13 2012 01:21 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 20:42 gregnog wrote:
Dont worry they have.... Madelisk?


fun fact: madde lisk has more achievements than carn lol (2 times 3rd in iron lady cup while carn has no top 3 finish)

more seriously: they have still naama deathangel satiini and check who all of them probably are quite a bit better thatn carn


Well, he doesn't really need a top 3 finish to have better results than placing 3rd in iron lady.
But yeah, he has no results to speak of at this moment, so maddelisk is above him in that regard.
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