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I was checking out ESFIWorld.com and saw this article, seemed to be sort of out of the blue and unexpected as shows like Fuck Slahser were generating a lot of traffic.
From the ESFI Article
A source within Major League Gaming has disclosed to ESFI World that the company will be canceling many of their online shows. The affected shows include Rod Breslau's "!@#$ Slasher", "StarCraft Report" hosted by Patrick O'Neill and JP McDaniel, Weekly Warfare, Julie's Show and the MLG F.A.Q. It is unknown as to what the future of "State of the Game" is as the source did not disclose if the show's syndication as part of MLG's programming will continue.
Full Article Here
So what does everyone think? I know I watched Fuck Slasher and SC Report like ever day, and will be bummed out to see them go.
Also Chobopeon has left MLG as he said in his personal blog
From Chobopeon's Blog
I’m leaving MLG and Tuesday will be the last episode of the StarCraft Report.
In short: Tune in Tuesday @ 5PM EST for the last episode of SC Report. It’ll be a big highlight show and I’m gonna have a ton of fun with it.
Now, allow me to explain!
First, I want to thank MLG for bringing me on board even if it was only for a couple of months. It’s been a huge learning experience. Getting to know the people behind the scenes has been invaluable and, better yet, fun.
Since even before I signed the papers and worked at MLG, I’ve wondered if it was really the right place for me. Shifting away from an independent perspective has been tricky for me and, truth be told, I’ve been itching to get back to indie work. Even though the folks at MLG have been nothing but wonderful and helpful to a clueless guy like me, I’d been considering the move simply because I have more fun this way. I think it’s a viable path.
As the community has focused more and more on independent journalism in recent months, the itch has become stronger for me. I had made up my mind before the company made clear that it was shifting focus away from the sort of content I produced. I was told last week that SC Report would be cancelled. I didn’t know what sort of thing I might be doing at MLG from that point but it didn’t matter because my mind had been made up and this only sured up my decision.
Again you can find more about that here
Quite the shake up at MLG 0_O!
Edit: Sundance has tweeted about it:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bouLr.png)
Edit 2: Statement form Slasher
On December 20 2011 08:00 Slasher wrote:
A lot of people don't seem to like me or what I do, but I appreciate the support from everyone nonetheless! Hope to be able to provide meaningful content to everyone again sometime. I would like to go more in-depth surrounding this topic and independent journalism, but not at this time.
I still work for MLG, just will not be doing the show anymore, for now.
Edit 3: JP confirms SoTG is NOT canceled.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZNUkD.jpg)
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Very unexpected for me, personally i will really miss Fuck Slasher. 
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Fucky slasher was really good too bad
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Israel2209 Posts
This is horrible news. I absolutely love the SC Report (aka SC Center). It is the most useful show of all.
Hopefully chobopeon brings it back to life again somehow, even with a lower production value.
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Wow did not see that coming. I wonder what happened. I enjoy F slasher.
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wow really outta the blue
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oO
I'll miss f slasher. wth? MLG why?
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Holy shit. Totally unexpected... Will see what will come out of this.
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They were probably not too neutral. Some people probably never even knew that MLG ran them.
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If they fucking take away SOTG....
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As long as SOTG is unaffected, I don't care. The other shows were nice but losing SOTG would really hurt.
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I think they should have kept !@#$ Slasher, and SC Report. Those shows were actually things that people watched routinely. Atleast in my opinion.
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Wtf? Tuned in every day for SC report and F Slasher to respectively catch up on the games I missed and hear about the current happenings of esports
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I liked "#¤"¤ Slasher cuz that was one of those NA shows that wasnt super late for me and it was actually quite good!
Sad to hear that its probably a goner
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wow wtf, starcraft report? really?? not a smart move.
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Is MLG struggling financially or something (does this have anything to do with the layoffs at MLG recently) or am I reading too much into this?
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While I won't miss Julie's Show and I don't even know what Weekly Warfare was, F Slasher and Starcraft Report being taken off are a shame. Biggest problem with SC Report was its time was right when I was driving home from work...
As for FAQ, I don't think that was practical to keep going anyways, since that's not something you can continuously do. Maybe like once a quarter would make sense for that.
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On December 20 2011 05:22 Kouda wrote:
I think they should have kept !@#$ Slasher, and SC Report. Those shows were actually things that people watched routinely. Atleast in my opinion.
Yeah.... I watched those every day T___T
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Updated the OP with some more stuff about Chobopeon leaving.
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wth. why would they cancel these shows. i dont think they cost like anything to produce.
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Oh damn.....I loved fuck slasher, watched nearly every episode T_T
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f-slasher was pretty good man, and screport was picking up as it was pretty much unknown..
mlg seeing hard times or what?
am i only one that thinks this might have something to do with the Gomtv/MLG code S issue, cause i read somewhere they told slasher that he does not express the views for mlg even though he worked for them.
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I assume this is just because they were obviously losing money? I assumed MLG figured the publicity/buzz they created was worth it, but it's reasonable to think otherwise. I'll miss SC Report, but it is actually better if shows of that sort were run by third party media groups, not one of the major leagues themselves.
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Aw man, I liked Fuck Slasher
But I swear, if they stop SOTG, I'll cry.
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Would love to hear something from Sundance on this. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, SC2 explodes making your events huge and you nix content that covers it?
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The article won't load at all for me, but this is sad news indeed
Let's hope SotG continues on
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So it's "fucked Slasher" now? 
I hope they don't cut SoTG, but then again I preferred pre-MLG SoTG for a number of reasons anyway, I really disliked the affiliation. Also SC Report was great.
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Shame, I had just started actually enjoying f Slasher and it was kinda growing on me. Very weird news seeing as MLG doesnt seem to be in financial trouble from what I thought. I mean they are setting up an even bigger 2012 circuit right? Strange.
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Dang, I liked these shows. I don't know what I would do if they cancel SotG too.
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Didn't watch any of the shows really. Tuned in a few times, but they all felt like watered down or in general worse versions of SotG, which I hope will stay. I felt the hosting just wasn't up to snuff; not that JP is a godlike host either, but the rest of the pillars make up for it.
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On December 20 2011 05:24 FlyingLigerz wrote:
wth. why would they cancel these shows. i dont think they cost like anything to produce.
Well, MLG employees were running them, right? And they had good production, so someone must have been doing that. I can't imagine people were working for free. SOTG gets 16K+ viewers. F slasher was only getting like 1 to 1.8k.
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They must be doing some serious overhauling with their content in order for them to just want to do away with all of these really successful shows.
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was this whole thing just about money?
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Why the hell would they do this? I watched Fuck Slasher and SC Report regularly and they always has a huge amount of viewers. I can't imagine either of those shows are losing MLG money...
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Fuck Slasher, literally. Jokes aside. I really enjoyed what content Slasher brought to his show. If it really is the case that the online show is going to be closed - then I'll have a couple of hours each day to do something else.
Fuck Slasher!
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Even if SOTG was not affiliated with MLG, I'm sure JP would just do it on his own like before
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None of them were particularly important but if SOTG is effected that would SUCK.
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On December 20 2011 05:26 zeox wrote:The article won't load at all for me, but this is sad news indeed Let's hope SotG continues on
sotg was here before mlg, and it im pretty sure it will be here without mlg.
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Kind of disappointing, as much as people dislike Slasher he had a lot of content + got guests for his show on a regular basis, I for one will miss it.
Never really got to check out SC report much though
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um, wow that sucks =( usually had (*@& slasher on in the background at night regardless of what I was doing because of the schedule, it's a shame I hope they have something in store in the near future though
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I doubt these shows cost very much to run, and if they do the money they generate from commercials should allow the shows to pay for themselves. I hope they do not cancel state of the game.
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SOTG is too big to die. if MLG cancels the show, I am sure JP (or someone else) will take up the reigns and produce it independently.
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Wow that is sad, I liked watching Fuck Slasher and SC Report because it was usual on when not that many people were streaming.
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I think part of the reason these shows were cancelled were because destiny and other streamers had consistently more viewers than mlg's shows. Its sad and I hate that this has happened, but part of it is on us for not tuning in.
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On December 20 2011 05:29 Masterfirewall wrote:
I doubt these shows cost very much to run, and if they do the money they generate from commercials should allow the shows to pay for themselves. I hope they do not cancel state of the game.
How much do you think it costs to pay the various people who produce the show? How much do you think they pull in off 1-2k viewers over an hour versus the cost to pay those employees and content producers an hourly wage?
I don't think 1-2k viewers per hour would pay many peoples salaries, if even one persons salary...no?
Sad to see shows go.
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This industry seems transitory and I hope MLG's effort will be remembered by future professionals. Personally a show a week would suffice for me.
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wtf? these shows were doing great. whats going on?
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So was/is MLG paying the hosts of SOTG? It seems like SOTG doesn't really need MLG and only got affiliated with it because JP works there. So I'm not too worried about SOTG being canceled.. shame for these other shows though. Not that they cannot continue on their own and make some money off commercials if they wanted?
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wow fuck slasher and sc report any news from sundance?
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On December 20 2011 05:29 Masterfirewall wrote:
I doubt these shows cost very much to run, and if they do the money they generate from commercials should allow the shows to pay for themselves. I hope they do not cancel state of the game.
well first you have your talent, then your director, then your writers, then your TD's, then your producer, and if you're paying all of them (which i'm going to assume they were, at least partially) costs go up quick, not to mention the equipment they were using etc.
as someone who works in the entertainment industry (not just esports but like MTV, HBO, etc.) the costs to run shows like they were producing daily, can definitely be up there. its a shame, those shows were entertaining and well done, hopefully they find new homes/the hosts can keep doing what they were doing with new groups.
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Wow, that's too bad. I've watched Fuck Slasher a couple of times even though it was out of my timezone and enjoyed it quite a lot.
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Shit man, why? SC Report and Fuck Slasher are both great. I sure hope this doesn't affect SotG.
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Interesting...
Good news out if this is chobopeon going indie again. Really happy to see that.
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This sucks. I've been so impressed by Chobopeon these last months, I hope so see more of him elsewhere.
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MLG were cutting down staff right?
...my suspiciousness sense is tingleling
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Not a fan of the ones that got canceled, and I think State of the Game is way too damn popular to get rid of.
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You guys seriously watch any of that? Never would have thought a large number of viewers even watched, enough for advertisers to care at least. Just because a few people care doesn't make it viable to keep running for MLG, same stuff happens with Television, not that I watch but it makes sense. Low viewership, no viability, no point. Well Slasher and SC Report at least, I can understand furor over SotG if it were to be, but seriously the others? Who really cares?
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It's been such a pleasure seeing Chobopeon amazing talent and dedication pay off, first with JP, then as part of MLG, and i am sure the next thing he will move on to, will be grand
Chobo, if you are reading this: thanks for all the amazing content you provide us all year long, you are the best <3
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I actually watched those shows.. X_X why cancel them? This sucks..
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On December 20 2011 05:33 MrNomad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:29 Masterfirewall wrote:
I doubt these shows cost very much to run, and if they do the money they generate from commercials should allow the shows to pay for themselves. I hope they do not cancel state of the game. well first you have your talent, then your director, then your writers, then your TD's, then your producer, and if you're paying all of them (which i'm going to assume they were, at least partly) costs go up quick, not to mention the equipment they were using etc.
Well besides F Slasher and SC Report , I'm pretty sure SOTG can fund its self and be worthwhile to produce.
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I never watched these shows, but as they appear to have generated a lot of traffic, I don't understand why they were cancelled.
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On December 20 2011 05:35 Longshank wrote:
This sucks. I've been so impressed by Chobopeon these last months, I hope so see more of him elsewhere.
Hopefully back on TL writing articles. \o/
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Damn even though i hate slasher, his show was fresh, all days they had something to inform you about other communities in the esport scene =(.
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F Slasher was really good.
As long as SOTG remains im kinda fine but it seems like a stupid move to cancel F slasher imo.
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State of the Game could cancel MLG so i'm not too worried about that
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I hope slasher will do something else on his own, some of his episodes were really really good!
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i wouldnt be surprised if chobo brings back sc center, i had a feeling he was hedging in case this happened ever since the official mlg version was called sc report and not sc center.
feel bad for their writers/researchers too
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Weekly Warfare just debuted 2 days ago or something.. WTF is going on? The shows are low overhead $$.. so why cancel them? Something is brewing for sure. Most of us should know that MLG is always working off someone elses dime.. so if that dime gets taken away.. so does their ability to exist.. hmmm..
odd non the less.
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Sad news, completely expected due to the lackluster viewing figures but sad nonetheless.
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The only show I really care to watch is SOTG and it seems like things are still on track with that so I'm still happy. There's absolutely nothing stopping the hosts of the other shows from going independent.
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MLG really needs to explain what the fuck is going on. First a ton of employees let go and now they're letting go of shows they took in under their reigns.
The fuck mlg?
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I think it's better if these shows are run independently, but it's difficult to make money from it I guess. Everyone on sotg for example are involved in major ESPORT organisations and you can often tell when they discuss things that they are biased or not able to express their opinions because of it. I think sotg would need one or a couple of people that are independent, who can ask the tough and interesting questions.
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On December 20 2011 05:37 SCevermore wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:33 MrNomad wrote:On December 20 2011 05:29 Masterfirewall wrote:
I doubt these shows cost very much to run, and if they do the money they generate from commercials should allow the shows to pay for themselves. I hope they do not cancel state of the game. well first you have your talent, then your director, then your writers, then your TD's, then your producer, and if you're paying all of them (which i'm going to assume they were, at least partly) costs go up quick, not to mention the equipment they were using etc. Well besides F Slasher and SC Report , I'm pretty sure SOTG can fund its self and be worthwhile to produce.
yeah SOTG was just the guys on a skype call, so regardless i think they'll have some variation of it, may not be SOTG due to branding/naming rights, but if SOTG is cancelled, i can be pretty sure to expect someone to pick it up, however the question would be if JP would be on it due to conflict of interest as he works for MLG and doing a show on a "rival" network isn't kosher.
it'll be interesting to see how things go from here.
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On December 20 2011 05:33 MrNomad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:29 Masterfirewall wrote:
I doubt these shows cost very much to run, and if they do the money they generate from commercials should allow the shows to pay for themselves. I hope they do not cancel state of the game. well first you have your talent, then your director, then your writers, then your TD's, then your producer, and if you're paying all of them (which i'm going to assume they were, at least partially) costs go up quick, not to mention the equipment they were using etc. as someone who works in the entertainment industry (not just esports but like MTV, HBO, etc.) the costs to run shows like they were producing daily, can definitely be up there. its a shame, those shows were entertaining and well done, hopefully they find new homes/the hosts can keep doing what they were doing with new groups.
doubt highly they are paying any of them.. and in fact.. I can assure you that most are not. The production value on them does not require half of the things you listed that are needed. These are basically internet streams bro.. You could produce something like this without much investment.
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SOTG won't go away I don't think. SOTG was independent to begin with, then MLG took it under it's wing sometime in the early summer. So even if they "cancel" SOTG. They'll just go back to an independent show anyway, I would think. No big problem with SOTG really. Just a sad day for the other shows really. Can't say I ever watched them, so I am indifferent but it seems like a lot of people liked F*** Slasher.
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On December 20 2011 05:35 LittLeD wrote:
MLG were cutting down staff right?
...my suspiciousness sense is tingleling
they have probably found that while they are seeing massive growth in their lan events, the online shows (mostly) arent keeping up and it just isnt worth the effort to them anymore
just my speculation though
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Not a great way to handle this should be a post by MLG explaining the situation and why they are doing this.
Ending shows like this is how rumors come to life.
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I'm guessing both F*** Slasher & SotG will continue regardless, sad to hear about SC Center though
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On December 20 2011 05:23 Charger wrote:
Is MLG struggling financially or something (does this have anything to do with the layoffs at MLG recently) or am I reading too much into this?
thats what my question would be. But could never imagine this being the case.
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Um.. MLG? You got some 'splaining to do...
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Why?!?!? ever day the show gets 5K hit ( i think ) that should be good enough??? right
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I'm pretty sure that NOBODY watched SC center. Not sure the following that *@&! Slasher had, but it certainly wasn't the best show I'd ever seen. There's a limited market for these type of shows, and I think that between Live on Three and SOTG, it's mostly filled. I guess that there just weren't enough people watching it to justify the cost of producing it.
I hope to see some independent shows like these crop up and garner followings of their own.
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On December 20 2011 05:41 csn_JohnClark wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:33 MrNomad wrote:On December 20 2011 05:29 Masterfirewall wrote:
I doubt these shows cost very much to run, and if they do the money they generate from commercials should allow the shows to pay for themselves. I hope they do not cancel state of the game. well first you have your talent, then your director, then your writers, then your TD's, then your producer, and if you're paying all of them (which i'm going to assume they were, at least partially) costs go up quick, not to mention the equipment they were using etc. as someone who works in the entertainment industry (not just esports but like MTV, HBO, etc.) the costs to run shows like they were producing daily, can definitely be up there. its a shame, those shows were entertaining and well done, hopefully they find new homes/the hosts can keep doing what they were doing with new groups. doubt highly they are paying any of them.. and in fact.. I can assure you that most are not. The production value on them does not require half of the things you listed that are needed. These are basically internet streams bro.. You could produce something like this without much investment.
do you think we worked for free? mlg paid us and mlg continues to pay many of these guys.
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This is surprising. I liked the SC Report / Fuck Slasher double act of news then opinion, and it looked like they were lining up an evening broadcast schedule on MLG TV that was stable and could be built on. That was pretty impressive. I look forward to the statement explaining the decision.
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On December 20 2011 05:39 Antoine wrote:
i wouldnt be surprised if chobo brings back sc center, i had a feeling he was hedging in case this happened ever since the official mlg version was called sc report and not sc center.
feel bad for their writers/researchers too
that is accurate! (in regard to why the name was changed)
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Shit, I just started watching these on a regular basis and now they're gone.
I hope anyone affected by this can bounce back and make a profit doing it elsewhere. I especially liked Fuck Slasher because he dipped into some other games but always gave sc2 enough attention when needed. I assume SoTG will continue on whether with mlg or not.
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On December 20 2011 05:45 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm pretty sure that NOBODY watched SC center.
Eh, that's silly. Obviously there were people that watched.
Besides, shows like SC Center take a while to really take off since they don't have cheap humor/drama element to it. SC Report probably has the highest quality content of all three and had a lot of potential.
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This is sad news, but its definitely not the last we'll see of slasher, chobopeon, jp, et. all. Good luck to everyone.
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F*** Slasher? More like F*** MLG. :|
I have no clue why they would want to cut these programs unless they lost some sponsors... maybe they were kicked out of the building they were streaming at?
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:[ Well poo, I'm sure we'll continue seeing Chobopeon around in the community, no doubt about that. GL to him, and I'd like to hear MLG and what they have to say. Quite curious.
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never watched any of them but id like to know why ?
explanation poleeez!
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On December 20 2011 05:47 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:45 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm pretty sure that NOBODY watched SC center. Eh, that's silly. Obviously there were people that watched. Besides, shows like SC Center take a while to really take off since they don't have cheap humor/drama element to it. SC Report probably has the highest quality content of all three and had a lot of potential.
I was a bit hyperbolic there, I mean I watched the show myself, but whenever I did there were between 150-300 viewers.
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On December 20 2011 05:47 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:45 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm pretty sure that NOBODY watched SC center. Eh, that's silly. Obviously there were people that watched. Besides, shows like SC Center take a while to really take off since they don't have cheap humor/drama element to it. SC Report probably has the highest quality content of all three and had a lot of potential.
SC Center was on at a bad time, pre- 5pm EST so most people in the US are at work. If chobopeon revives his show he should probably consider the time slot more carefully.
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F** Slasher was a very nice show, and at a time where Europeans could watch.
I'll miss it.
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People may be reading too much into it. You gotta have the courage to cancel some shows if you want to build better shows.
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One thing that doesn't add up is that they bring out a statement after Providence saying they had an amazing year in terms of viewership and business, yet they fire a lot of staff and stop all(?) their online shows.
They either lost a bunch of corporate sponsors of their league (a really bad move for the sponsors in my opinion), or they're re-shuffling a lot of what they are in business for.
Who knows.
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On December 20 2011 05:49 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:47 Talin wrote:On December 20 2011 05:45 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm pretty sure that NOBODY watched SC center. Eh, that's silly. Obviously there were people that watched. Besides, shows like SC Center take a while to really take off since they don't have cheap humor/drama element to it. SC Report probably has the highest quality content of all three and had a lot of potential. I was a bit hyperbolic there, I mean I watched the show myself, but whenever I did there were between 150-300 viewers.
that is weird because we got over 1k on a regular basis and hit as high as 3k on big shows!
that said, we definitely had not really hit our stride as far as viewership goes. we had a way to go. but that is not really why it's being cancelled, mlg wasnt expecting 5k viewers so quickly. it's just a matter of refocusing as ive already written.
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The design on MLG's website sure didn't help promote these shows. Don't they realize the MLG website is terrible?
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Can anyone explain the whole take-over of Got-Frag from MLG and then hiring those employees to MLG only for MLG not to use them? It confuses me.
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On December 20 2011 05:51 chobopeon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:49 Zorkmid wrote:On December 20 2011 05:47 Talin wrote:On December 20 2011 05:45 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm pretty sure that NOBODY watched SC center. Eh, that's silly. Obviously there were people that watched. Besides, shows like SC Center take a while to really take off since they don't have cheap humor/drama element to it. SC Report probably has the highest quality content of all three and had a lot of potential. I was a bit hyperbolic there, I mean I watched the show myself, but whenever I did there were between 150-300 viewers. that is weird because we got over 1k on a regular basis and hit as high as 3k on big shows! that said, we definitely had not really hit our stride as far as viewership goes. we had a way to go. but that is not really why it's being cancelled, mlg wasnt expecting 5k viewers so quickly. it's just a matter of refocusing as ive already written.
Is MLG going to come out and tell us what exactly they are refocusing on, or do we have to wait until next year for that?
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Well now atleast they have a chance to become completely independent from MLG which i can only see as a good thing as long as they take the opportunity.
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Unexpected !
And quite sad. SC Report and Fuck Slasher were pretty good shows. SoTG is just one of the biggest, if not the biggest, out there.
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Don't you dare to touch SoTG! That show has 15-20k viewers easily and the best show on the planet so take away F Slaher if you want
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MLG 2012 is going to be huge so it would make sense for them to get rid of all of the branches that are not necessary and put more effort into focusing on the actual big year ahead of them.
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On December 20 2011 05:52 FreudianTrip wrote:
Can anyone explain the whole take-over of Got-Frag from MLG and then hiring those employees to MLG only for MLG not to use them? It confuses me.
they really did not buy Got Frag for Got Frag.. they bought it for the 'numbers'. This was years ago of course and I am sure there may be some regrets as not to continue with it as it was.. but this is what happens when an 'entertainment' events organization tries to be more involved with organizations that cater to the base and to a community.
my 2 cents...
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On December 20 2011 05:52 FreudianTrip wrote:
Can anyone explain the whole take-over of Got-Frag from MLG and then hiring those employees to MLG only for MLG not to use them? It confuses me.
Oh Freud<3
I actually liked Fuck Slasher a lot, the interviews he did were of much use to me :D As for the SC Report, it was a nice way for me to find out what happened in the GSL as I can't buy a ticket, so I liked that as well. It's a shame they're all being stopped, but hopefully nothing happens to sotg.
Good luck Chobopeon!
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I've seen every single SC report even from the beginning when JP was pioneering it...so sad to see it go. We need a sports center type of show every day that sums up everything happening in the starcraft community! Very disappointing to see it go. Good luck with your Future Chobopeon.
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perhaps Slasher will be able to remake the show as part of Onemoregame so he can be critical of MLG and other tournaments without being under the banner of MLG.
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I did watch Fuck Slasher if I felt the craving for an esports podcast on nonSOTG/ITG/LO3 days, so this is quite unfortunate.
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wow i did not see this coming I've been a big fan of (SC Center) Starcraft Report for a long time but I mean if MLG is changing things than we'll just have to wait and see what 2012 has to offer...
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Chill out guys, they're not cancelling SOTG...it would make absolutely no sense at all, in any way, shape or form, for them to cancel the biggest and most popular SC2 show out there, which gets about as many viewers as your average tournament does.
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WTF i watched F Slasher and Sc Report almost every day T_T
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Why? They even laid off some employees..
Dont they make enough money?, we need a statement!
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of course we could all be jumping the gun a bit.. its possible that it is not a matter of cancelling stuff as much as it is about re-organizing things to bring smaller but of higher quality content to the user.
I hope that is their plan.. as I am sure they have the means to do so and have a lot of talented people there working with/for them.
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I have a feeling we aren't going to see any explanation...I mean, if there was going to be one, wouldn't it make sense to make a statement before the community goes apeshit demanding a reason why the shows were cancelled?
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On December 20 2011 05:57 csn_JohnClark wrote:
of course we could all be jumping the gun a bit.. its possible that it is not a matter of cancelling stuff as much as it is about re-organizing things to bring smaller but of higher quality content to the user.
I hope that is their plan.. as I am sure they have the means to do so and have a lot of talented people there working with/for them.
If that is the case it is pretty idiotic for MLG to just leak the bad part without saying any of the good parts (the ESFI article cites an MLG source).
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On December 20 2011 05:42 Mirosuu wrote:
SOTG won't go away I don't think. SOTG was independent to begin with, then MLG took it under it's wing sometime in the early summer. So even if they "cancel" SOTG. They'll just go back to an independent show anyway, I would think. No big problem with SOTG really. Just a sad day for the other shows really. Can't say I ever watched them, so I am indifferent but it seems like a lot of people liked F*** Slasher.
SC Center/Report was also independent to begin with though. It just means that JP would either do it on his own outside of MLG Live, or MLG won't let him do it, in the future.
I just don't see why they want to get rid of some pretty f'ing popular shows, and ridding of content creation as a whole.
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Meh, most of the non SOTG shows get like 1k viewers. Can't really see it worth the production / cast costs.
Good call.
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I watched both every day
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if they take away sotg... ill fukin tweet jp to hell -.-
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On December 20 2011 05:43 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:23 Charger wrote:
Is MLG struggling financially or something (does this have anything to do with the layoffs at MLG recently) or am I reading too much into this? thats what my question would be. But could never imagine this being the case.
Why not?
The problem is that these leagues don't make money. No esport league makes money. MLG is MAYBE the only league to make money in 2011, and I'm even dubious about that... but luckily they had $10 million in VC money to play with on the year, and I'm sure they have more long term plans so it doesn't matter if they don't make money this year...
quote from Xeris
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F Slasher was such an underrated show, too many ESPORTS junkies latching on to dumb opinions Slasher held about player/casters rather than the tournament coverage which was always excellent. I will truly miss it.
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Really sad to see Fuck Slasher and the SC Report go.
Rod and Patrick are both extremely talented and I'm looking forward to whatever new projects they may start.
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again.. what production costs go into an internet show? The studio is already there.. turning the lights on and camera on.. do not cost that much. Slasher worked on his own content im sure.. i doubt highly anyone was paid to do his dirty work.
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Assuming SotG is fine, F Slasher is what I'll really miss. LO3 feels like the overarching summary of E-Sports and F Slasher feels like Rod taking the extra time (since he has it with how often the show occurs) to go into more details and opinions on those topics. The two really go well with each other.
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On December 20 2011 05:59 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:43 KalWarkov wrote:On December 20 2011 05:23 Charger wrote:
Is MLG struggling financially or something (does this have anything to do with the layoffs at MLG recently) or am I reading too much into this? thats what my question would be. But could never imagine this being the case. Why not? Show nested quote +The problem is that these leagues don't make money. No esport league makes money. MLG is MAYBE the only league to make money in 2011, and I'm even dubious about that... but luckily they had $10 million in VC money to play with on the year, and I'm sure they have more long term plans so it doesn't matter if they don't make money this year... quote from Xeris
ESL makes money and so does ESEA. You wanna know why? Cause they are actual 'leagues' that cater to a larger base and feed off of it to provide for the 1%ers (pros that make a living from gaming). ESL is a 10 year old company.. having built the largest esports network in the world.. (more then MLG, NASL, ESEA combined I would guess)
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On December 20 2011 05:36 deadmau wrote:
You guys seriously watch any of that? Never would have thought a large number of viewers even watched, enough for advertisers to care at least. Just because a few people care doesn't make it viable to keep running for MLG, same stuff happens with Television, not that I watch but it makes sense. Low viewership, no viability, no point. Well Slasher and SC Report at least, I can understand furor over SotG if it were to be, but seriously the others? Who really cares?
Kinda harsh way to put it but I sort of agree, that I did not really watch FuckSlasher or the ScReport. The only shows I follow are Inside the Game and State of the Game. However apparently there are people who liked it so they can't be terrible as you make it sound.
This is interesting though, I'd like to know the reasons behind this.
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On December 20 2011 05:58 deepfield1 wrote:
Meh, most of the non SOTG shows get like 1k viewers. Can't really see it worth the production / cast costs.
Good call.
they have anywhere from 1k-2k live, at a horrible time, the whole point is they have upwards of 20k-30k vod views each...
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I love SOTG! If it leaves imma be so mad. But I mean, SOTG did fine before MLG stepped on board anyways.
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Fuck slasher was good, if they kill sotg that would be one of the most retarded thing mlg could do.
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On December 20 2011 05:24 FlyingLigerz wrote:
wth. why would they cancel these shows. i dont think they cost like anything to produce.
Um... Man hours cost money. Bandwidth cost money. Data storage cost money. The hosts cost money, since they need to eat.
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Wow best move ever. We are lacking independent journalism. Some of the most prominent figures of the community who are capable and experienced in this are Chobopeon and Slasher.
Since I'll be going off assumptions. I'm not assuming either are being held responsible for a possible major news error on MLG's part considering the League Exchange Program with GOM.
I'm also not assuming the name Fuck Slasher was deemed inappropriate or is getting a lot of negative light from outside the community. (This is what I thought was the case in the first second).
MLG will still be able to support both. Under the table, indirect or by different means. I'm not sure if such a construct is in place. If not I hope they will be able to succesfully go independent. It would be a real shocker to see them leave alltogether, I don't think this is the case.
Continuing on. The way the shows were run. With overtime and irregular working hours for the staff. Or if there was still a place for it looking forward to the 2012 season.
Now for the basket I will be putting my eggs in. The MLG - GOM situation is also hurting MLG. It seems like it's unfeasible for MLG to step up as MLG and inquery GOM properly. Or they are bound to this because of other reasons.
Having independent journalism would allow those instances to go out, pressure and figure out things. For many reasons this would be really good and the current 'demeaner' of the inside man getting cast out is not entirely valid. In ways it is but even without extending the following to valuable people on the "inside". being independent means you can take any hit or backlash regarding what you have to publish since you aren't connected. Taking one for the scene if you will. I actually believe this is still a worthy thing to think about and potentially act on regardless of ones position.
Like we see in politics where governments don't officially support certain parties but still support them because they are incredibly beneficial and do those the government needs to get done but otherwise cannot freely do this in the public eye.
I think but more so really hope that applies to this case.
Fuck slasher especially is a giant loss. Ohya almost forgot. The overlap and expansion of onemoregame.tv. With djWHEAT at twitch.tv and by now having transitioned over properly from his old job and able to have some rest and spent needed time with his family. We will have to see something become active from that and have them expand it. Around this time last year is when the djWHEAT.tv website with it's shows Weapon of Choice and LiveOnThree went on a x week/y month hiatius to come back as onemoregame.tv but they haven't been able to get broadcasters from other communities directly involved and producing shows under the onemoregame banner. Maybe that is a new home.
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The fact that one of their own employees leaked all this info and they haven't made any statement makes them look incompetent.
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i dont really care as long as i get my state of the game!
but its sad for the people that watch them, which i assume is quite the large crowd
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This is almost like GGL all over again. :/ Great shows just don't have a chance if they can't get sponsorship or advertising dollars.
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Fuck Slasher was a nice show. I watched it sometimes. He covered more thant just SC2 and was a good and independent voice
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this is unexpected. but if theres not enough people watching...
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I can understand that they are cancelling the shows from there end but couldn't JP and Chobopeon just do the show on their own like they used to? Same goes for SOTG the show existed just fine without MLG and would continue to into the future either way. Suck to see the support these shows get cut off.
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Kind of saw something like this coming when Sundance, when he was on that vvv show, let on that he wasn't even impressed by the number of views on sotg.
2000 live viewers won't cut it in the long run. Sundance was very clear on one point, things must make money nowdays. The time of investing is gone, time to make MLG a working company.
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Well even if the shows get canned, jp slasher and chobo are the kind of people that would do this kind of stuff from their basement for free.
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SOTG won't get cancelled, no one is stupid enough to cancel that show, but I understand about the other shows. SOTG occupies my once-a-week show slot.
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If State of the Game gets cancelled...... its table flipping time......
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SC Report is pretty awesome :/ I really enjoyed watching it... And I wouldn't worry too much about State of the Game guys. Even if State of the Game was dropped by MLG, I think they would continue doing it as their own project (like it was originally). The only way I could see it completely dying is if MLG specifically told JP he could not do SOTG while he was part of MLG, and the other hosts didn't want to try doing it without him. Personally I don't feel like MLG would do that, but I do not know their reasoning for cancelling any shows in the first place so who knows...
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I'm glad this happened simply because Chobo is going independent and now that he's gotten a little more exposure through MLG it should carry over. People just need to support and tune in when he starts his own thing. Web cam + overlays + PC powerful enough to stream is all he needs. I think everyone including Chobo will be better off for it in the end. I'll be watching.
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On December 20 2011 06:09 WightyCity wrote:
this is unexpected. but if theres not enough people watching...
true, its the sad nature of television/entertainment
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Disappointed to see F Slasher cancelled.
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Just another thing: I hope MLG won't go all out corporate style from now on. If this becaem visible, they would lose all support from us little nerds, since we distrust any too big to fail companies for their back door deals and hidden agendas.
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On December 20 2011 06:08 DigitalD[562] wrote:
This is almost like GGL all over again. :/ Great shows just don't have a chance if they can't get sponsorship or advertising dollars.
Well said.. was not aware many here knew who GGL was. I look back at my time there and now realize as many stupid mistakes as they made.. they were ahead of their time with their production value. In fact.. most of their shows and content is still way ahead anything out there now in esports.
in the end though.. they spent too much money on 'media' and trying to be an 'entertainment' org and they lost out.... hmm.. sounds like the same road MLG has taken.
interesting...
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Let's all pretend that MLG isn't having financial problems. and if they are, i don't want to know about it.
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F Slasher had really good viewer numbers considering it was a daily show. Often it was between 2k-4k depending on guests.
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Hm what? I thought **** slasher and Sc report were quite popular?
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damn i watched both those shows, i just hope its because they're making something bigger and better for us to watch
and certainly i dont think state of the game would go anywhere
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state of the game is the only one I watched, so as long as that is still around it doesn't bother me.
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As much as this shake up, nearly everyone involved I think will go independent, I will watch fuck slasher, sotg and read chobopeons articles whether or not they are associated with MLG, and as long as there is interest, I don't see what is stopping said producers of content from going solo.
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I don't know how you can expect MLG to continue to run shows that generate 1000-2000 viewers.
I assume State of the Game will stick around since they seem to run 15000-25000 viewers regularly. If not I'll be pretty pissed.
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On December 20 2011 06:16 csn_JohnClark wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 06:08 DigitalD[562] wrote:
This is almost like GGL all over again. :/ Great shows just don't have a chance if they can't get sponsorship or advertising dollars. Well said.. was not aware many here knew who GGL was. I look back at my time there and now realize as many stupid mistakes as they made.. they were ahead of their time with their production value. In fact.. most of their shows and content is still way ahead anything out there now in esports. in the end though.. they spent too much money on 'media' and trying to be an 'entertainment' org and they lost out.... hmm.. sounds like the same road MLG has taken. interesting...
more like the road mlg is stepping off, considering this latest move. I still see mlg as a successful company just trimming the fat.
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On December 20 2011 06:14 OKScottish wrote:
If State of the Game gets cancelled...... its table flipping time......
hehe, my thoughts exactly.
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On December 20 2011 06:17 Mzimzim wrote:
Let's all pretend that MLG isn't having financial problems. and if they are, i don't want to know about it.
i blame people like you for financial crisis
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Slasher has finally been #@(!'d.
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I liked the other shows but if State of the Game gets canceled, oh man I will be angry..Sad..But Angry...I will turn into the incredible hulk and just sit there and the forums saying I miss State of the Game. Damnit...
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Wow... Very dissapointing.
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I enjoyed F Slasher, too bad it had to go. This move bring up some questions though. I guess even with all the success that MLG is having, they still might be having financial troubles which does not allow them to support some of these smaller shows. Esports has not made it yet, but we are almost there.
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Man Slasher really did a great job with his show,sad to see it canceled.
The title of the show was pretty dumb but it had quality content.
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Im sad i tuned in to F slasher most of the time cuz of his news and the people he brought in..me will be sad panda
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Not a huge loss to be honest... I think sc report and fuck slasher needed a lot of work anyway. Both were far too dry - their only worthwhile content was interviews, and I think they needed to spend more time with interviews and less time with recap. Recap is pointless, because their viewers are already hardcore enough that they know everything that they're recapping (at least that was the case for me).
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Can't say I blame MLG, that is a lot of shows to host. My guess is MLG looked at the fast-ballooning number of shows and realized they were not really part of the core vision they had for the company's future. Stuff like this happens all the time. And I have to wonder at the actual viewship numbers on some of these, other than SOTG.
I think the only suprise is Chobo's cancellation, his shows (even pre MLG) have really become a fixture in the SC2 community. But maybe the viewship just wasn't there. Anyway, hopefully he can make it on his own like he is hoping.
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Did they need to pad their numbers for the investors ? The pro circuit is a success, anything else bar SotG...not much.
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i didn't watch that much fuck slasher, but from what I could tell from the show that it had a profound impact on the SC2 community, and often brought major controversies into the light.
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Wasn't a big fan of F Slasher and the SC Report, but it's still bad news.
Hopefully SoTG stays running, that show is miles above the others.
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slasher should keep doing his show, really enjoyed the content.
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hmm, that sucks . . .hope everything at the MLG organization is all right.
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I'm sure SotG will be untouched, didn't really care for the rest of the MLG shows
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I think they cancelled them because they hurt their own trademark, for example. the Naniwa case made Slasher look retarded on his show and also chobopeon (or what his name is?) also was criticizing MLG/GOM for not beeing clear about the Code-S seed.
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Damn, I enjoyed F slasher...
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On December 20 2011 06:30 Suichoy wrote:
I'm sure SotG will be untouched, didn't really care for the rest of the MLG shows
Hah imagine the shitstorm if they cancelled SotG.
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I won't believe this until I see an official statement from MLG.
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Sucks.. I can't say I have watched any of their shows besides F slasher and SOTG though.. I think Slasher deserves to have a show.. Maybe make it 2 times a week instead of daily.
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On December 20 2011 05:24 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:22 Kouda wrote:
I think they should have kept !@#$ Slasher, and SC Report. Those shows were actually things that people watched routinely. Atleast in my opinion. Yeah.... I watched those every day T___T
How can people watch it everyday in your opinion?
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RIP Slasher, you were an asshole but you were our asshole.
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The Slasher show only needs to be a weekly segment, it's just none sense to have it daily. Regarding SOTG, they need a shakeup in the cast, there's too many 1 race (protoss) represented.
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On December 20 2011 06:34 carloselcoco wrote:
I won't believe this until I see an official statement from MLG.
slasher confirmed on twitter:
Slasher
Tomorrow will be final episode of the show, with guests #SCR champion Justin Wong, and a recap of the #GSL Blizzard Cup Finals.
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F Slasher was an amazing show, the starcraft community (and gaming community in general) really needs people like him who are not afraid to rustle a few feathers.
Im sick of all the nepotistic ego-stroking friends club content that is produced.
SOTG is fun, but its rubbish for news and honest views.
LO3 is good too, but its EG-centric.
Inside the game was awful, don't know if its even going.
Slasher was our beacon of hope , the only one brave enough to call out his friends and enemies alike.
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I wonder if there was some type of crazy news that came out of MLG, or possibly new direction? I'm just lost at this point...
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It's not that I don't like Slasher, I just don't like hearing his opinions. So I avoid his show like the plague. But then everyone parrots and spreads it, eventually to me.
Kinda glad he's going off the air.
SC Report on the other hand ;;
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the content of the shows where really bad and the View count was not enough for actually paying them wages. Plus they actually had support staff in studio. Makes no sense to run these weird "sportcenter" type shows for 1k people. It was nothing but a money sink.
Also lo3 / slasher spend way too much time each show recapping things people that care already know
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On December 20 2011 05:22 FryktSkyene wrote:
If they fucking take away SOTG....
State of the Game was around before MLG took over. It will be fine.
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Oh.. Well that sucks. F Slasher was alright.
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What a shame...even though i sometimes want to punch slasher in the face, i really enjoyed this show
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While it is a shame MLG is discontinuing there shows, I have a feeling that the shows will still exist in some other medium, like SC centre used to be on youtube daily and state of the game has existed long before MLG took interest.
I did like F slasher but I feel the show title really needs reworked as it's too offensive for the random viewer who sees it.
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I really liked Fuck Slasher. Sotg is entertainment which is fun, but Fuck Slasher is actual journalism which we don't have enough of.
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Mmm... downsizing/layoffs and now this? Not exactly sure what to make of this, but with the obvious increased growth in esports/sc2 I can only assume Sundance/MLG know what they're doing.
Personally I never really watched SCReport/FSlasher (wasn't interested and didn't have the time during that time of the day) so I'm not sad to see those go; however, I will be extremely sad if they also cancel SotG... then again, SotG is vastly more popular than the aforementioned AND it's only on once a week (relatively low maintenance you can assume, well at least low maintenance to fslasher/screport).
As someone previously mentioned, SotG will still carry on even if MLG doesn't "run" it.
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SOTG is the only show I care about so lets see .. I dont think it will be affected :D
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Never really watched Fuck Slasher but I always enjoyed the 'starcraft report'. This is a real shame, it would be nice to hear an explanation from MLG.
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Guess I have no reason to bookmark MLGPRO.COM now. Thanks for helping me clear unwanted space. TT
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The only show i really care about is state of the game. Hopefully that stays. I always honestly found slasher a little annoying
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Well, I'm sure they have some reason for doing this. I hope MLG can give us some sort of statement confirming why so that we don't need to guess. Would be nice to at least know, they were good shows. I really liked F Slasher and he always got some great interviews.
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Comeon MLG
You can still undo this! give us slasher back at least
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I hope they are making new shows at least.
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I won't miss them (not really in my "wake-time") but when i saw them they were decend and peopel seem to like them so..
WTF MLG?
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Never thought I'd say this but I'm actually going to miss Fuck slasher.
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On December 20 2011 06:38 resilve wrote:F Slasher was an amazing show, the starcraft community (and gaming community in general) really needs people like him who are not afraid to rustle a few feathers. Im sick of all the nepotistic ego-stroking friends club content that is produced. SOTG is fun, but its rubbish for news and honest views. LO3 is good too, but its EG-centric. Inside the game was awful, don't know if its even going. Slasher was our beacon of hope , the only one brave enough to call out his friends and enemies alike.
Sounds a shame if what you say is true. I haven't bothered to make time to watch any of the shows for quite a while. Would rather watch SC2 tourneys and read news on forums.
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On December 20 2011 05:36 deadmau wrote:
You guys seriously watch any of that? Never would have thought a large number of viewers even watched, enough for advertisers to care at least. Just because a few people care doesn't make it viable to keep running for MLG, same stuff happens with Television, not that I watch but it makes sense. Low viewership, no viability, no point. Well Slasher and SC Report at least, I can understand furor over SotG if it were to be, but seriously the others? Who really cares?
Why? because we like quality content? a bit of drama here and there, It gave me a feeling of a esports TV station so to say, almost every day there was something to watch.
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But... MLGTV has become the replacement for my old 'regular TV' .. >o<''
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man, I hope they AT LEAST keep SotG. That show is a pillar of the sc community
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Fuck Slasher had really good range and quality of the guests slasher was able to muster on a daily basis was exceptional. Hopefully he can do it somewhere other than MLG.
For everyone worrying about SOTG I wouldn't the show is popular enough to continue even if mlg canned it.
Edit: Wow my smart phone really butchered some of these sentences.
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too bad i liked those shows
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I don't generally take SC2 stuff too seriously, but if they cancel SotG I'm gonna be fucking PISSED......
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state of the game was around way before, it won't be going anywhere
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Man I'm going to miss F Slasher
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Makes sense. Was wondering why some of those programs existed ran. Only Slasher's really had legs from what I could gather.
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What a shame, I didn't really enjoy watching Fuck Slasher but I think it was important because Slasher is one of the few figures that aren't afraid to have and state an opinion, even if it is an unpopular/controversial one.
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Sundance just tweeted:
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We all secretly know that we need more "ultimate gaming house" and less "journalism" :p
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Sad sad to see this. I wouldn't be surprised if Slasher left MLG and went over to OneMoreGame and got his own show on there. I think this controversy will make whatever new project he does even more popular.
I hope Chobo enjoys his independent journalism. Here's hoping he can interview people and ask the REAL questions, without having to worry about what his Overlords will say about the questions OR his opinions on them. All of this "I don't speak for MLG and can't give my personal opinion" crap they dropped on Slasher makes me like Chobo's move to the independent sector. Go you, sir, and let us know where we can find your new content!
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Hopefully SotG isn't going anywhere. I personally didn't watch F slasher or the SC report, but i'm still saddened by this because of all the people who do watch it on a regular basis.
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I don't understand how so many people are confused about why these shows are cancelled. SC Report rarely pulled in more than a couple hundred viewers a show.Fuck Slasher could pull in a Thousand maybe two. That is not enough for a company to continue to support a program that pays the hosts, the people who make the graphics, and any producers or cameramen that are needed to make the show run. Personally saw it coming. I really liked both shows and tuned into them (not regularly but a couple times a week probably) and I thought they were great. But MLG was definitely running a loss when it came to then. I would like to see both continue with lower production costs independently until they build enough of a following that they would be worth it for a company to pick them up. I look forward to more of Chobopeon's stuff cause he is definitely very passionate about the scene. Obviously JP and Slasher are big enough personalities in ESPORTS that they should have no problem continuing to produce content from MLG in whatever form.
And I think its obvious that SOTG is almost entirely safe. Its way too big for it to be cancelled and if it does get cancelled by MLG it would continue on as an independent show, or be picked up by another company.
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On December 20 2011 07:01 Velr wrote:
We all secretly know that we need more "ultimate gaming house" and less "journalism" :p
lol!
btw I want to add that F slasher had 2-5k viewers when it was on so I think it was ok
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On December 20 2011 05:22 Ben... wrote:
As long as SOTG is unaffected, I don't care. The other shows were nice but losing SOTG would really hurt.
I share the same sentiments. I never watched Fuck Slasher or SC report because I didn't really have the time.
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Didn't really watch any of those shows, but this is kinda shocking to me.
Good thing SOTG is way to popular for them to close it.
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I love how he says "No offical comment" but then follows that up with "Lean and Mean in 2012." Mean is certainly right if they don't even think this is PR document worthy.
I think this primarily means is that MLG doesn't want to become the eSports/SC2 online channel that SC2 Center/F*** Slasher/SOTG was taking them down... this probably also means less streams from them outside of MLG events.
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I suppose this could have something to do with all that TV/ESPN stuff Sundance was talking about earlier in the year. His tweet suggests that something bigger is on the horizon and I think that would be a logical conclusion.
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After all maybe Slasher will keep up to his promise from IPL3/MLG Orland (that if foreign wins these tours he will quit journalism)
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SotG generates too much traffic. Probably had a threshold the other shows needed to come to but could not, so they got pulled.
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I really hope Slasher tries to get it back or make his own f slasher in some form. I looked forward to it every day when I woke up.
Seems like a really weird move...
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SOTG brings in too much blingbling, TBH. No way it's getting dropped.
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Man, going to miss Fuck Slasher :/
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wow sad news esfi is such a sick site though. so quick and accurate every single time! <3
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Is it possible they are going to have other content in its place. They were talking about online leagues and what not.
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sad to the the shows go.
hopefully SotG stays... but i cannot see why they would ever let it go. soo good
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This is a bit sad, people just seem to care about State of the Game, which is fun, but quite useless in terms of sparking discussions and giving spotlight, coverage and interview time to up-and-coming players who the SOTG pillars aren't friends with which is exactly what Fuck Slasher in particular provided.
I hope we'll see something similar to Fuck Slasher again from someone, be it under the MLG flag or not and I sincerely hope that chobopeon revives SC Report and fills the role as the independent esports journalist again, which suits him better than the MLG work anyway, imho. He always seemed a bit restrained on the MLG shows.
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I really liked F Slasher because it didn't just have SC news, it had esports news. Learned a couple of things about the other games and communities. Hope we'll see something like it.
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If state of the game disappears, there's really no reason left for living- /wrist
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omg talk abot ruining e-sports culture. I hope slasher finds an alternative broadcaster but chobo can do whatever he wants. SOTG is only good because artosis is there.
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Nooo! !@#$ Slasher is really good, I really hope they don't do anything to SotG.
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But... Wtf... I was really getting into the whole MLG.tv thing...
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Perhaps djWheat is looking to expand the OneMoreGame brand >.>
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Well I can't say I know who this Slasher is but I guess he could run the show without MLG, JP ran SOTG for over a year on his own.
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That's too bad, although I've never watched anything but SOTG
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On December 20 2011 07:07 Silidons wrote:
SotG generates too much traffic. Probably had a threshold the other shows needed to come to but could not, so they got pulled.
Not to mention it has a very loyal and vocal fanbase
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I have heard enough from Sundance to be very confident in his decisions when it comes to MLG's Business Model. They need to focus on core activities in order to grow, sounds reasonable to me.
GL in 2012 MLG and thanks for a great 2011.
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FSlasher was good but these last few weeks you could really tell MLG had him by the balls on some issues like Naniwa and the GSL Code S spot from Providence. I hope he can get the funding to do his own show (maybe on onemoregame? weapon of choice has been dead for awhile...).
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Wow, crazy they would cancel these shows. They better not touch SotG though, because then they'd be going too far. That's silly. Was it even costing MLG money to produce the shows?
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Will people please shut up about SOTG? That show is not going anywhere, if MLG DID drop it for some fucking retarded reason, then JP would continue it on his own stream, and nothing would change!
Now that that's out of my system onto the matter at hand. I believe losing these shows is terrible, but necessary for MLG as a TOURNAMENT COMPANY. Of course they want stuff to be biased, they want to look good, that is nothing against them what so ever, just smart business. They realized that the can't really host "un-objectionable" shows that potentially say bad things about them, not smart business. While I am sad these shows are not going to be happening, this allows chobopeon to hopefully work with or start his own independent E-Sports news, and same with slasher. I hope everyone the best in the future, but stop bashing MLG, this is a smart move for them to look professional.
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On December 20 2011 07:14 GuiltyJerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:07 Silidons wrote:
SotG generates too much traffic. Probably had a threshold the other shows needed to come to but could not, so they got pulled. Not to mention it has a very loyal and vocal fanbase
Quite true. I think they'd be shooting themselves in their foot if they cancelled SotG. I never really watched the shows they canceled often, but did watch SC Report once and a while. It's too bad it's cancelled.
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This is really... random? I don't know what else to say than that, since I'm quite positive the shows that care will make it on their own. Everything has scrubbed up a strong fanbase already.
Just confused really... Looking for more info
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It shouldnt be up to Mlg to produce shows.
User Content.
Fuck Slasher should continue if he really wanted it to., but The Community should step in and Provide content that people obviously want to watch and talk about.
A lot of people joke about who the fuck is this JP guy
but he was someone who wanted to talk about starcraft and starcraft 2 events, and u fuckers loved his show.
Go out there an Innovate.
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I could see JP continuing SOTG with or without MLG.
Perhaps DJwheats OneMoreGame network might pick up a few of these people/shows if they want to keep them going on the side.
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cannot understand why they did this... makes no sense to me. F slasher pulled huge numbers everyday. Must not have been making enough money to support the studio probably
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Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them....
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Probably just putting everything they can into the tournament, and that is great. New shows from independent sources will probably pop up! 
Gl to everybody and hope noone goes jobless.
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Stop arguing about SOTG, it will continue, the guys who made the shows obviously knew about the cancellations beforehand and JP didn't hint at going off air at all, he rather said how much he was looking forward to coming back in 2012 and so on.
Even if that was no sign at all, just look at the fanbase. They would deprive themselves of such a great marketing instrument...
The other shows being canceled is the real topic.
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On December 20 2011 07:20 AceOfDeath wrote:
cannot understand why they did this... makes no sense to me. F slasher pulled huge numbers everyday. Must not have been making enough money to support the studio probably
Huge numbers? yeah 2-3k is a lot they make no money what so ever with any of these shows they lose money. Why would the keep producing them? To lose more and more money?
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if SOTG is gone, i will stop supporting MLG
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We'll miss you, !@#$ Slasher
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Imho, they should have gave shows that aren't too bad like Slasher's an announcement to the public that if things don't go well for a one full month and turn over then they will pull it, this would give fans an ample amount of time to support the show if they felt they wanted it to stick around.
Instead they just rug pulled the whole thing.. o.o...
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we will be watching these shows on ESPN 10 next year, chill guys.
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It makes sense because it didn't make sense for MLG to be the ones hosting these kinds of shows to begin with
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I didn't watch SC report, I tried a few times but lost interest. However, F Slasher I did enjoy from time to time and I feel like Slasher put a ton of work into the show to make it as successful as he could. I think given a better time slot and maybe less exposure (not on everyday) it could have made better numbers. <3SlaSher.
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On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them....
care to tell us about your sources?
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I am fairly sure the decision to cancel Fuck Slasher and SC Report was not taken lightly
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On December 20 2011 07:23 Pandalorum wrote:
if SOTG is gone, i will stop supporting MLG
They couldn't touch SOTG, even if they wanted.
edit: djWHEAT should pick everything up on one more game.
DO IT DJ WHEAT YOU WONT
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Was never MLG's place to have those shows. Produce awesome events/games, and leave the community programs to the community.
At least SoTG will be around forever, it's the only one I watch anyway.
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On December 20 2011 07:25 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them.... care to tell us about your sources?
Umm......? How do you make money off of 2k viewers and 3k at most? when you have to pay at least 3-5 people to produce one of the shows you lose an absurd amount of money
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On December 20 2011 07:24 hugman wrote:
It makes sense because it didn't make sense for MLG to be the ones hosting these kinds of shows to begin with
I don't see the problem, Real sports leagues like the NBA have their own channels on TV that produce shows similar to the SC Report. I think MLG just wanted to slim down the content they were producing but there was nothing wrong with what they were producing.
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I hope nothing happens to state of the game. I love watching it every week.
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Never really watched much of the SC report or !@#$ slasher, but I loved the mlg faq. Will be sad to see that go. Will be interesting to see if other managements or shows start up something similar to the shows that were cancelled.
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I'm thinking they want to cut out all of the extraneous stuff and make the actual events bigger and better. I could be wrong of course, but come january and we will see. I'm gonna hazzard a wild guess and say that the cost/reward of these shows<cost/reward of an upgraded MLG event.
Again, just a random guess.
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Never seen f. slasher, not that impressed by sc report, but I love love SOTG.
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What difference would it make if they cancelled sotg. In all likelihood the guys would still do it anyway just not under the mlg label
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I don't watch anything aside from SotG but it's sad nonetheless that these are all ending. Best of luck to everyone involved.
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I actually watched SC Center a lot preMLG, then refused to watch it once it went to MLG. Obviously that did no good to support Chobopeons cause, but really.. I don't care for MLG to be branded over everything they own - hence why i stop watching SotG.
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Based on Sundance's tweet I'd say there just doing what every other firm in the US is doing. The economy sucks and trimming fat is priority number 1. They probably lasted as long as they did because they were already budgeted through the end of the year, but there wasn't room for them in next years budget.
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If they touch SotG, the shitstorm will be bigger than all the drama conspiracy booms of 2011 joined together.
This whole thing seems weird, hope MLG is not collapsing or something. I've watched F Slasher, SC Report every now and then (not very regularly, but also haven't missed many, and have often checked the VODs) ; and even one Julie show in which she interviewed Day[9]. While these shows were running, quite a lot of news happened on them, and the best source in such occasions was the show itself.
If MLG needs to squeeze budgets etc, then maybe they should join the teams of F Slasher and SC Report, and make the show more rare, but still keep it, imo.
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I wouldn't be surprised if MLG ended their affiliation with SOTG as well. However, I do not believe JP will let the show die. Artosis is employed by GOM, but obviously is allowed on SOTG and looks like he has free rein to say whatever he pleases. I would imagine if JP stays with MLG in a tournament organizer/caster role, he will keep SOTG.
That's my positive spin opinion, anyway. I wish Chobo, JP and all the other guys (except Slasher XD) the best in 2012.
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thank god SOTG is sill there
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If MLG cuts SotG, does anyone really think that it would disappear? SotG was independent before MLG picked it up and was wildly successful.
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On December 20 2011 07:35 figq wrote:
If they touch SotG, the shitstorm will be bigger than all the drama conspiracy booms of 2011 joined together.
This whole thing seems weird, hope MLG is not collapsing or something. I've watched F Slasher, SC2 Report every now and then (not very regularly, but also haven't missed many, and have often checked the VODs) ; and even one Julie show in which she interviewed Day[9]. While these shows were running, quite a lot of news happened on them, and the best source in such occasions was the show itself.
If MLG needs to squeeze budgets etc, then maybe they should join the teams of F Slasher and SC2 Report, and make the show more rare, but still keep it, imo.
Educated/experienced people are actually REALLY expensive in the US. The only way to significantly cut costs for a lot of firms is layoffs. Merging the two shows while still paying all those salaries is probably not as penny pinching as you'd think.
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I think a better way to go would be to do F Slasher weekly, I mean 2-3hrs of e-sports (read: sc2) talk every night is just too much.
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So I just want to say that from a business perspective it makes complete sense for them to cancel their shows. MLG wants to focus on their core competencies in 2012. For them that is throwing tournaments and from the sound of it they will be having much more online tournament content. They are probably canceling the shows to make room for whatever online tournaments they have planned for next year.
At least I hope so.
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I hope state of the game disappears, but comes back with a new host and the same pillars/guests.
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Well, I'm glad. I hope SoTG is cut also, so they can return to their "neutral" stance. I disliked SoTG when Incontrol was associated with NASL, and I disliked it when JP is/was associated with MLG.
I hope all the shows find stable sponsors and are able to continue without MLG's support.
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they can't lose SOTG..artosis, day9, and incontrol is perhaps the greatest, most entertaining trio of starcraft personalities ever put together
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On December 20 2011 07:37 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:35 figq wrote:
If they touch SotG, the shitstorm will be bigger than all the drama conspiracy booms of 2011 joined together.
This whole thing seems weird, hope MLG is not collapsing or something. I've watched F Slasher, SC Report every now and then (not very regularly, but also haven't missed many, and have often checked the VODs) ; and even one Julie show in which she interviewed Day[9]. While these shows were running, quite a lot of news happened on them, and the best source in such occasions was the show itself.
If MLG needs to squeeze budgets etc, then maybe they should join the teams of F Slasher and SC Report, and make the show more rare, but still keep it, imo. Educated/experienced people are actually REALLY expensive in the US. The only way to significantly cut costs for a lot of firms is layoffs. Merging the two shows while still paying all those salaries is probably not as penny pinching as you'd think. Merging implies still a lot of layoffs (unfortunately).
P.S. It's SC Report, not "SC2 Report", sorry about that.
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On December 20 2011 07:38 Xcobidoo wrote:
I think a better way to go would be to do F Slasher weekly, I mean 2-3hrs of e-sports (read: sc2) talk every night is just too much.
Its never too much. Only if its expensive to produce and doesnt get any income in return.
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On December 20 2011 07:34 CidO wrote:
I actually watched SC Center a lot preMLG, then refused to watch it once it went to MLG. Obviously that did no good to support Chobopeons cause, but really.. I don't care for MLG to be branded over everything they own - hence why i stop watching SotG.
So you stop watching shows you like, because they are on the MLG stream?
Why would you do that?~
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On December 20 2011 07:39 andeh wrote:
I hope state of the game disappears, but comes back with a new host and the same pillars/guests.
JP is the creater of the show I think, and he does an amazing job hosting. SOTG would not be the same if he wasnt there.
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On December 20 2011 07:34 Klondikebar wrote:
Based on Sundance's tweet I'd say there just doing what every other firm in the US is doing. The economy sucks and trimming fat is priority number 1. They probably lasted as long as they did because they were already budgeted through the end of the year, but there wasn't room for them in next years budget.
Pretty much this. I won't be surprised if we see them debut another show in early 2012 that is a weekly show with Slasher and some other MLG crew members to do a 2-3 hour eSports news + interview show. SoTG is sort of going that route but it is focusing more on the players and commentator's reactions to SC2 news and events and patch changes, where-as F*#@ Slasher and SC Report were more of a neutral, 'just the facts jack' kind of show.
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I'd never thought I'd say this at some point but I want "Fuck Slasher" to stay: The only esports web show on a daily basis and I love it. Covers all the eSports news, speculation, previews, recaps, drama, announcements - and the best live in-depth interviews.
Slasher, I'll miss you, somehow. :/
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"Lean and mean in 2012, its time to focus"
I'm pretty pumped to see whats to come next year.
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If it's indeed a monetary issue causing the cancelation of !@#$ Slasher and SC Report, SOTG should stay untouched considering it basically has no production value.
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On December 20 2011 07:37 Stanlot wrote:
If MLG cuts SotG, does anyone really think that it would disappear? SotG was independent before MLG picked it up and was wildly successful.
My thoughts as well.
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I tought they got more money would be nice to hear the reason. Maybe MLG wants to focus on the tournament stuff 100%. WILL MISS F: SLASHER EVERY DAY (((
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I like that MLG sticks to their main focus of running tournaments/leagues.
We've seen what has happened when MLG tries to move away from their core focus (see: Gotfrag.com).
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I loved sc2 report, but rarely took the time to watch Fuck Slasher. I wonder what Sundance is thinking this will do for the company and him.
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On December 20 2011 07:28 brad1031 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:25 Mandalor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them.... care to tell us about your sources? Umm......? How do you make money off of 2k viewers and 3k at most? when you have to pay at least 3-5 people to produce one of the shows you lose an absurd amount of money
where are you guys getting that it takes 2-3 people to produce the show?
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On December 20 2011 05:31 Thelionheart wrote:
I think part of the reason these shows were cancelled were because destiny and other streamers had consistently more viewers than mlg's shows. Its sad and I hate that this has happened, but part of it is on us for not tuning in.
Err, it's not "on me" for these shows to succeed. Many of these shows brought in viewership comaprable to a mid-level popularity streamer and only for the periods of time they're on. These shows require planning and organization but I can't imagine the overhead is too much for MLG. All of the shows mentioned are way inferior to SotG, I really doubt SotG will go anywhere.
MLG hopefully doing something else to match the amount of content IPL puts out.
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No way that they would cancel State of The Game...... that is too good.
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This sucks for fans of the shows, but its a pretty reasonable and probably wise business move. It is extremely unlikely that those shows generated enough revenue to pay for themselves. And as MLG makes huge leaps in its scope, there are other considerations that go along with it. Some of those are justifying operations that have a negative margin, like the shows in question.
So while these will be missed by their viewers, I am ok with this move from MLG and it is consistent with what I consider an awesome vision and trajectory for that tournament series.
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How much money could it possibly take to not be able to justify the costs of these?
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Not surprising. MLG said before that it considered the online hosting platform for these shows as a purely temporary way to have content between events. I'm positive they'll be replacing them with something else.
edit: Anyone who thinks SotG is disappearing is dumb. But if it's no longer MLG syndicated that's really really good, in my opinion.
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I quite liked Fuck Slasher. Oh, sure, I didn't often find the time to watch it (particularly with time zones), but when I did I always found it worth the time.
Obviously State of the Game would go on even without MLGs support. I wonder if it would still be able to be called State of the Game. Though, even if MLG did cancel SotG and own the rights to the "brand", it would be a terrible move to actually enforce that. That'd be a lot of angry nerds. Angry nerds that may or may not buy MLG Gold.
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Doesn't this mean those shows will probably just find new hosting?
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They really shouldn't cancel state of the game its a really great show that has been around for a long time. Fuck slasher is a good show too I don't see why they canceled that really. SC report was ok ish but it was just one too many shows. Fuck slasher was nice since the format was different with all the guests and since its a talk show format and they let random people on to talk too which is ever so funny
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On December 20 2011 07:51 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Doesn't this mean those shows will probably just find new hosting?
aside from branding issues, yeah they can, may not be as well produced as before though
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On December 20 2011 07:46 csn_JohnClark wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:28 brad1031 wrote:On December 20 2011 07:25 Mandalor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them.... care to tell us about your sources? Umm......? How do you make money off of 2k viewers and 3k at most? when you have to pay at least 3-5 people to produce one of the shows you lose an absurd amount of money where are you guys getting that it takes 2-3 people to produce the show?
do you think it takes 1 person to produce each of these shows? cause then you're crazy
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On December 20 2011 07:51 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Doesn't this mean those shows will probably just find new hosting?
The talent certainly won't disappear. It's not like they're executing the employees. They may not even be in shows anymore but we'll certainly still be hearing their voices.
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I wonder if DjWheat is going to rub this in Slasher's face in the next Live on Three. I think these shows had the same problem NASL currently has, by airing everyday they are way to frequent and lose their value.
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On December 20 2011 07:28 brad1031 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:25 Mandalor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them.... care to tell us about your sources? Umm......? How do you make money off of 2k viewers and 3k at most? when you have to pay at least 3-5 people to produce one of the shows you lose an absurd amount of money
They don't make money off it, they make show to keep the viewers in touch, so they know what's going on. Just like UFC they need to have a show to talk about upcoming fighters right?
Also SoTG have 20k viewers easily, so if you don't know a thing pls don't talk.
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Finally they start cutting loosy shows out. Thank you MLG !
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Slasher is probably staying with LO3, I would imagine. So this certainly isn't the last we've heard of him. Although I have to say I quite liked "Fuck Slasher".
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When Sundance detailed MLG's plans for 2012 at that one live State of the Game at an August MLG didn't they say they were going to have online regional qualifiers which lead up to the live events every season?
Couldn't this be freeing up the time slots for JP+Artosis (or whomever) to cast the qualifiers like how they casted the MLG Global Invitational (which I assume was testing the waters for 2012 MLGs)?
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On December 20 2011 07:56 Amlitzer wrote:
I wonder if DjWheat is going to rub this in Slasher's face in the next Live on Three. I think these shows had the same problem NASL currently has, by airing everyday they are way to frequent and lose their value.
If he has any business sense we could see fuck slasher/SC report on onemoregame.tv, because, well, where else ?
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My thought is that MLG as a league figures that they shouldn't be the ones producing stories and covering the games that are played in their tournaments. It;s pretty similar to how the NBA doesn't write and produce all the coverage about their games. They leave those to networks and independent journalists to cover. I think this is a great spot for Twitch.TV to come in and pick up these guys to do shows and to become a premiere spot for all the journalistic coverage for the leagues.
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From a business standpoint I don't think that most the people that had shows would warrant a full paycheck, plus all the production expenses just for that show. Granted, I don't know what kind of money the shows generated or how the employees were paid, from Sundance's tweets it just seems like it was cutting into profits rather than generating more. This could mean increases in tournament production, tournament winnings for players and a lot more. Sucks, because the shows were entertaining. SOTG seems to not be in trouble because it doesn't seem like too much production.. JP seems to have most of it under control by himself. Plus dropping SOTG would be one of the stupidest things they can do; therefore, I'm not too worried about them dropping it. Sundance is too smart for that.
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A lot of people don't seem to like me or what I do, but I appreciate the support from everyone nonetheless! Hope to be able to provide meaningful content to everyone again sometime. I would like to go more in-depth surrounding this topic and independent journalism, but not at this time.
I still work for MLG, just will not be doing the show anymore, for now.
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SC Report nooooooooooooooooooooo!
I'm glad Chobo kept back the SC Center name; I was kinda surprised they decided to change it when they started up with MLG, but in the light of this it makes perfect sense. It's a totally awesome show and I will definitely seek it out and watch regardless of where it's being put together and the production values involved. I just hope it continues to exist somewhere!
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On December 20 2011 08:00 Slasher wrote:
A lot of people don't seem to like me or what I do, but I appreciate the support from everyone nonetheless! Hope to be able to provide meaningful content to everyone again sometime. I would like to go more in-depth surrounding this topic and independent journalism, but not at this time.
I still work for MLG, just will not be doing the show anymore, for now.
Good response SLasher.. now lets get the 'No spin' story
Good luck to you man.. knowing you.. I am sure you already have something brewing to bring all the kiddies!
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On December 20 2011 07:41 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:34 CidO wrote:
I actually watched SC Center a lot preMLG, then refused to watch it once it went to MLG. Obviously that did no good to support Chobopeons cause, but really.. I don't care for MLG to be branded over everything they own - hence why i stop watching SotG. So you stop watching shows you like, because they are on the MLG stream? Why would you do that?~
Because being affiliated with your "boss" you cant go around talking bad about him, or you will lose your job.
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Thats sorta wierd that they would actually cancel shows.
They are all awesome and maybe they will continue anyway.
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!@#$ was actually a decent show, not only covering SC2 but a lot of the other games like the FPS and Fighting community. What shall we do without SOTG?
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F Slasher was a great show and will be missed, if this is truly it's final death. Perhaps Slasher will resurrect the show with a name that isn't shitty :D
Very disappointing news... I feel without F Slasher there is no other decent e-sports journalism?
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This makes me sad, I liked both shows very much. That said, I totally understand why it was done. There was a very large conflict of interest and it reared it's ugly, conflicty head just recently with the whole Naniwa debacle, specifically when it came to Naniwa's spot in Code S and whether he had earned it through MLG or it was given to him. Slasher stated that he "couldn't talk about it" for a show. If I had to guess, that may have been the tipping point. You can't have a real journalistic show when it's on the website of one of the two biggest gaming leagues in the US. While that can be done eventually (like the MLB or NFL network), you really need to have an independent scene established with content that isn't influenced by anything but the facts. There was simply no way to do that with these shows on MLG's website, put on by people who work for MLG. While I don't agree that working for a single company means that you will automatically have bias and spout fluff when it comes to that organization, this was at the extreme end of having a conflict of interest.
It also makes sense from a financial aspect. We have to remember the community has been clamoring for MLG to improve their prize pool, the quality of their high-quality streams, and so on, as well as the fact pros have been asking for a while for a dedicated pro area. While MLG did grow amazingly over the past year, we don't know their financials. What we do know is it seems like they have a strict business plan, and money doesn't grow on trees. If they wanted to improve their tournament product and the growth of 2011 wasn't enough to do so then cuts needed to be made in other places to improve what is their main product, the tournament series.
So while it stinks, and I enjoyed those shows, it does make sense. I wish the timing had been better, letting people go and cancelling things right before Christmas and the new year was pretty Grinch-like to those directly involved. That said, I see Scoots tweeting about a new Slasher show already, and Chobopeon's in this very thread talking about bringing SC Center back (who knows, maybe OneMoreGame.tv is the place to go in the future for "television" SC2 journalism), so at the end of the day this may end up being a good thing.
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Time to go back to good old SC center then?
I do hope F slasher will continue in some form as well =/
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On December 20 2011 08:06 Amsterdamned wrote:
(who knows, maybe OneMoreGame.tv is the place to go in the future for SC2 journalism).
Or ESFI, especially considering they provided this info...
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maybe its even good news, since they can be more free in speech while not beeing under to hood of MLG...
I don't think they will stop doing these shows completely, maybe they will merge into 1 good show ;-)
SC Center was a very good concept in my opinion, hopefully it will not die!
Also State of the Game could need some refreshment...
ah and... fuck slasher! ;-)
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Oh shit this is unexpected...
lean and mean ok, will still be supporting
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On December 20 2011 08:11 Incandenza wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:06 Amsterdamned wrote:
(who knows, maybe OneMoreGame.tv is the place to go in the future for SC2 journalism). Or ESFI, especially considering they provided this info...
Yeah, I fixed my quote to be more specific, I meant via video.
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I hope they pull a DJWheat and go off air for a while and come back with more focused and organized shows. I personally found that the shows aired at a time that was hard to watch, and the shows were so common that a lot of times they didn't feel like they had a lot of meaning. Judging by Sundance and Slasher's statements I doubt that the shows are gone forever, but they just needed to revamp them.
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i see no reason why these shows require MLG to exist. so they won't be on MLGs stream anymore, big deal. the biggest thing i see here is that it could potentially delay the next SotG episode, which would be unforgivable and i would thusly stop watching all MLG related content... not really but i woulnd't be happy about it.
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On December 20 2011 08:17 iruel wrote:
i see no reason why these shows require MLG to exist. so they won't be on MLGs stream anymore, big deal. the biggest thing i see here is that it could potentially delay the next SotG episode, which would be unforgivable and i would thusly stop watching all MLG related content... not really but i woulnd't be happy about it.
Watch Slasher's show, he might often be the only one on camera, but he has a producer at least, and getting the guests and preparing the topics actually take a lot of time, and the show will often run like 2+ hours, it's a very big time commitment.
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this is quite upsetting. by Sundance's tweet it seems they're cutting budget for something, i assume events. this actually sucks quite a bit
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Most of them didn't get many viewers, but I am sad to see fuck slasher /SC report go. I imagine eventually these shows might catch now, but probably not a big enough audience to be worth the money atm.
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On December 20 2011 08:00 Slasher wrote:
A lot of people don't seem to like me or what I do, but I appreciate the support from everyone nonetheless! Hope to be able to provide meaningful content to everyone again sometime. I would like to go more in-depth surrounding this topic and independent journalism, but not at this time.
I still work for MLG, just will not be doing the show anymore, for now.
You know you sometimes say stupid stuff, but at least I think there will be a hole in the place where your show (and SC Report as well) used to be. The scene seems to be too big by now for Lo3 to fill by itself. A weekly show instead perhaps at some point?
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On December 20 2011 05:24 FlyingLigerz wrote:
wth. why would they cancel these shows. i dont think they cost like anything to produce.
thats entirely the point....$$$ talks!
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MLG is going for the big buisness model, can't have some dumbass like slasher giving you a bad image while you're trying to make it big time.
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I'm a little bit sad that F*** Slasher is going away, but I hope that this means MLG will back off of SotG and it will return to something closer to it's roots, though I think that's unlikely.
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I enjoyed Fuck Slasher quite a bit as it was a way to get some of my gaming news, not just SC related content, without having to dig through news sites and forums.
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I can also see more podcast opportunities, which are much less upkeep, can be produced by a single person, and don't require the visual component. Monetizing comes through episode sponsorship versus streamed commercials. And it's more convenient. Plus, am I one of the few who thought the frequency of a show like #@%! Slasher was a bit high, especially given the platform and amount of non-MLG content that comes out on a daily basis (ie not much at all)?
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I'm interested to see the new platform. Change sucks, but it is necessary. Thanks to Slasher and the crew for all their work. Best of luck guys...
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sundance wants a new ferrari. time to make some cuts now that things are growing
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As of right now this sounds like the dumbest thing to come out of MLG in my 6 years of being apart of their community. Really makes zero sense and I wish they would just fucking announce their shit already.
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I tried to watch SC Report (aka SC Center) every time it was on and usually checked out Fuck Slasher when he had SC2 personalities on. Suck that they'll end. Hopefully Chobopeon and JP keeps doing SC Center even though it's off MLG.
Would be very surprised if they did anything to SotG, considering the huge following it has.
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On December 20 2011 08:23 Postman wrote:
I'm a little bit sad that F*** Slasher is going away, but I hope that this means MLG will back off of SotG and it will return to something closer to it's roots, though I think that's unlikely.
SOTG hasnt changed though. it was the same before and after MLG took over. the only difference is the site where you watch it (and, i think, but do not know, that the episodes are uploaded faster now).
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Too bad, liked F Slasher
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never watched any of the mentioned shows
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what about state of the game?
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On December 20 2011 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:23 Postman wrote:
I'm a little bit sad that F*** Slasher is going away, but I hope that this means MLG will back off of SotG and it will return to something closer to it's roots, though I think that's unlikely. SOTG hasnt changed though. it was the same before and after MLG took over. the only difference is the site where you watch it (and, i think, but do not know, that the episodes are uploaded faster now).
Another difference was hearing "Anna, do you like horses?" on every break in MLG 
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On December 20 2011 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:23 Postman wrote:
I'm a little bit sad that F*** Slasher is going away, but I hope that this means MLG will back off of SotG and it will return to something closer to it's roots, though I think that's unlikely. SOTG hasnt changed though. it was the same before and after MLG took over. the only difference is the site where you watch it (and, i think, but do not know, that the episodes are uploaded faster now).
It feels much more commercialized though, with JP constantly trying to juggle commercials in and stick to a timetable for everything. And it also seems (to me at least) that since it became higher profile everyone involved was trying to stick to a more professional attitude instead of the somewhat more relaxed appearance from the earlier SotG shows. Just my two cents.
That said, this drunken SotG felt like all the previous drunken ones and I was happy to watch it.
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they better not cancel State of the Game
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On December 20 2011 08:22 magnaflow wrote:
MLG is going for the big buisness model, can't have some dumbass like slasher giving you a bad image while you're trying to make it big time.
Do you even read? It doesn't matter if it was Slasher's show or Day9's, they are closing all the online shows to focus on their bigger goals like re routing all their assets to live production and traveling production for 2012.
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This was long and coming. Talk shows revolving around Starcraft 2 were extremely saturated, especially as several of them were produced by a single company. If MLG had to cut something to shift its funds elsewhere, then these online shows was the best option IMO.
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On December 20 2011 08:35 Postman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 20 2011 08:23 Postman wrote:
I'm a little bit sad that F*** Slasher is going away, but I hope that this means MLG will back off of SotG and it will return to something closer to it's roots, though I think that's unlikely. SOTG hasnt changed though. it was the same before and after MLG took over. the only difference is the site where you watch it (and, i think, but do not know, that the episodes are uploaded faster now). It feels much more commercialized though, with JP constantly trying to juggle commercials in and stick to a timetable for everything. And it also seems (to me at least) that since it became higher profile everyone involved was trying to stick to a more professional attitude instead of the somewhat more relaxed appearance from the earlier SotG shows. Just my two cents. That said, this drunken SotG felt like all the previous drunken ones and I was happy to watch it.
He has been doing commercials because he needs a way to easily break up the large video files so that the VoD can be up ASAP.
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Well, it's not like they can't continue their shows. Chobopeon was doing his thing before MLG hired him and I'm pretty sure he'll continue after this. Best of luck to Rod and Patrick, but I don't think they'll need it. My guess is we'll be seeing them again real soon.
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!@#$ Slasher was the best most entertaining show on e-sports. I hope it can live on elsewhere.
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Perhaps they are really focusing on the LAN parts of their tournaments. I doubt State of the Game will get cancelled. JP will probably do it without MLG if they don't want to help him.
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On December 20 2011 08:20 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:17 iruel wrote:
i see no reason why these shows require MLG to exist. so they won't be on MLGs stream anymore, big deal. the biggest thing i see here is that it could potentially delay the next SotG episode, which would be unforgivable and i would thusly stop watching all MLG related content... not really but i woulnd't be happy about it. Watch Slasher's show, he might often be the only one on camera, but he has a producer at least, and getting the guests and preparing the topics actually take a lot of time, and the show will often run like 2+ hours, it's a very big time commitment.
pretty much sums up my points from earlier
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You guys didn't buy enough shirts!
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On December 20 2011 05:22 Ben... wrote:
As long as SOTG is unaffected, I don't care. The other shows were nice but losing SOTG would really hurt.
Exactly this. State of the Game is undoubtedly the best Starcraft stream without actual matches actually being featured as the focus of the show, and the viewership solidly reflects that. Preserve State of the Game, and you still have my support!
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On December 20 2011 08:42 Atlas247 wrote:
Perhaps they are really focusing on the LAN parts of their tournaments. I doubt State of the Game will get cancelled. JP will probably do it without MLG if they don't want to help him.
the issues you may have though are:
1) MLG may own the rights to SOTG, which means rebranding the show
or
2) MLG may not allow JP to do the show if they opt to nor run SOTG due to "conflict of interest" or any variety of reasons a company won't let an employee venture out
it'd suck to lose SotG imo, hopefully they realize the huge following will make MLG realize dropping them is no bueno
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On December 20 2011 08:46 MrNomad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:42 Atlas247 wrote:
Perhaps they are really focusing on the LAN parts of their tournaments. I doubt State of the Game will get cancelled. JP will probably do it without MLG if they don't want to help him. the issues you may have though are: 1) MLG may own the rights to SOTG, which means rebranding the show or 2) MLG may not allow JP to do the show if they opt to nor run SOTG due to "conflict of interest" or any variety of reasons a company won't let an employee venture outit'd suck to lose SotG imo, hopefully they realize the huge following will make MLG realize dropping them is no bueno
ROFL conflict of interest in the esports scene!
im prolly the odd ball out here but i feel even SOTG has run its course, and i wouldnt really want to show it to people who arent into sc2 already. at least not until the hosts either change or grow up a bit
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There's too much Starcraft stuff going on and yeah oversaturation is the flavor of the month for SC2 e-sports news.
It's a good thing: the industry is competitive. The consequences are that less successful ventures will eventually close down, because the number of potential viewers/customers are finite and it has reached the point where supply exceeds demand.
It's a consumers' market guys. Gone are the days where we zealously defend and support what few events we had.
Nowadays how we voice our criticism, where we spend our money, and what shows/events we consciously decide to support has a huge impact on Starcraft.
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If they touch SOTG I'll have to bite someone's jugular.
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Its over, the bubble is bursting, esports is dying, its been a good run guys but it'll be over soon
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This news is weaksauce. :C
As soon as I saw this thread,
I watched fuck slasher.
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On December 20 2011 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:23 Postman wrote:
I'm a little bit sad that F*** Slasher is going away, but I hope that this means MLG will back off of SotG and it will return to something closer to it's roots, though I think that's unlikely. SOTG hasnt changed though. it was the same before and after MLG took over. the only difference is the site where you watch it (and, i think, but do not know, that the episodes are uploaded faster now).
Nah, it's a lot different. You can't really blame them, but it's very different than it used to be.
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is it necessary to have MLG for SC Center? I like that show
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Didnt watch most of the MLG shows. If they kill SOTG ill be pissed. JP and the boys are awesome.
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This could actually be a good opportunity for a real independent eSports news source to pop up. I'm imagining a world where Fuck Slasher, SC Report & other quality shows (imbalanced? lolo) are all united under a single eSports News banner (unaffiliated with any events/teams ^_^).
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these shows worked without mlg and they will work again sotg g doesnt need mlg, mlg needs sotg bitches
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I actually like F Slasher a lot and he was my go-to guy for news outside of SC2
and SC report was for anything within SC.
What a terrible thing today D:
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Hopefully these shows come back without MLG
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dont you DARE take away SOTG, i need my weekly fill of Tyler, Day9, Artosis and JP.
!@#$ Slasher was fun to watch at school :D
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I think that if MLG cancelled SOTG, EG would pounce on it. Don't worry guys.
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On December 20 2011 07:56 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:28 brad1031 wrote:On December 20 2011 07:25 Mandalor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them.... care to tell us about your sources? Umm......? How do you make money off of 2k viewers and 3k at most? when you have to pay at least 3-5 people to produce one of the shows you lose an absurd amount of money They don't make money off it, they make show to keep the viewers in touch, so they know what's going on. Just like UFC they need to have a show to talk about upcoming fighters right? Also SoTG have 20k viewers easily, so if you don't know a thing pls don't talk.
First of all I wasn't talking about sotg at all if you were paying attention...and UFC gets way more viewers on their fighters having a show than all the shows canceled combined......and 2k viewers is nothing compared to the 200k+ mlgs
don't talk if you don't know what you are talking about #nerd
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I'd better see some massive fucking increases in prize pools for this. MLG shouldn't have any business cancelling these shows with all the money they saved having the lowest prize pool in existence for the amount of views it drew. I liked watching these daily shows, and now there will be no reason to care about MLG unless it is one of the 20 days out of the year in which a tournament is being held.
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i doubt they will take sotg away because it brought in 15-20k viewers unlike the other shows that struggled to break 2k-3k
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If they kill SOTG, jesus fuck, if they kill SOTG D:<
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEE
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Only thing that matters is SOTG.
If they somehow cancel that/don't allow it to go back on for free or whatever I'll have to find some way to make a vocal protest.
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On December 20 2011 05:22 Ben... wrote:
As long as SOTG is unaffected, I don't care. The other shows were nice but losing SOTG would really hurt.
I doubt it will be.
Correct me if I am wrong, but SotG began airing prior to any sort of affiliation with MLG, and, as a result, they would have no ethical right to cancel it. Again, I could be wrong on that point.
Regardless of whether or not that point is accurate, SotG generates numbers that few other pieces of Starcraft media can match. Cancelling it would be a HUGE mistake.
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I REALLY hope SoTG isn't getting cancelled. I can't believe that any of these shows were bad for their business though. But hey, what do I know.
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On December 20 2011 05:24 FlyingLigerz wrote:
wth. why would they cancel these shows. i dont think they cost like anything to produce.
Are you mentally ill? you have to pay people to work if they were to pay 3-5 employees minimum wage to produce the show they would be not making any money
User was warned for this post
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On December 20 2011 09:05 Mohdoo wrote:
I think that if MLG cancelled SOTG, EG would pounce on it. Don't worry guys.
Yes and no. Someone would try to take it over, but that would mean JP is out. None of the other regulars have the time to make the show notes every week. Without JP, there is no show, and even if someone else fills that role, viewer numbers go way down. There are few prominent community figures that have the position where they can host that show regularly.
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Bit unexpected, but I can see it not being a good fit for them. Hopefully something better comes of this.
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On December 20 2011 07:56 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:28 brad1031 wrote:On December 20 2011 07:25 Mandalor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them.... care to tell us about your sources? Umm......? How do you make money off of 2k viewers and 3k at most? when you have to pay at least 3-5 people to produce one of the shows you lose an absurd amount of money They don't make money off it, they make show to keep the viewers in touch, so they know what's going on. Just like UFC they need to have a show to talk about upcoming fighters right? Also SoTG have 20k viewers easily, so if you don't know a thing pls don't talk.
This is correct. I remember when JP had to put the show on hold for a couple weeks recently because he was really busy with events and MLG business, he stated (I think on TL) that they do the show because they love doing it, and they don't get money out of it. If they end up shutting down SotG as well, I won't be happy . During school in particular, being able to listen to State of the Game on Tuesday nights is really fun and relaxing. I'd hate to see it go.
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I really liked Fuck Slasher! and some of the other shows (vinny brusco show was random and i dont think it actually was about games but it was entertaining!) but I can understand that maybe the whole "MLG.tv" idea just wasn't strong enough to stand on its own legs. Hopefully some if not all of these shows can continue on other "networks" so to speak.
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On December 20 2011 09:10 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:05 Mohdoo wrote:
I think that if MLG cancelled SOTG, EG would pounce on it. Don't worry guys. Yes and no. Someone would try to take it over, but that would mean JP is out. None of the other regulars have the time to make the show notes every week. Without JP, there is no show, and even if someone else fills that role, viewer numbers go way down. There are few prominent community figures that have the position where they can host that show regularly.
Why would JP be out o.o
SotG didn't always affiliate with MLG and JP still ran it back then
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There is no way MLG is going to get rid of SotG. I mean, they could, but realistically, knowing that Sundance and crew aren't idiotic, they wouldn't. When they can get over 15,000+ weekly for a show that is based around JP calling people on Skype, they should know that they're in a good place.
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I will miss F slasher, but not the other shows. Lets be real, SotG and LO3 were around long before MLG, and they will still be there when MLG is long gone.
I gotta say though that I am puzzled by the decision. It's not like either of those shows cost a ton to produce. All you need is a webcam and (I guess) the hosts. Honestly you don't even need the crappy little studio of F Slasher, the show would've worked just as a good as a podcast. I guess MLG learned that there was no point in paying hosts when they would probably produce the content for free anyway.
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I'm really not happy about this, and kinda scared as to what's gonna happen to SotG...
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On December 20 2011 09:14 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:10 Mr Showtime wrote:On December 20 2011 09:05 Mohdoo wrote:
I think that if MLG cancelled SOTG, EG would pounce on it. Don't worry guys. Yes and no. Someone would try to take it over, but that would mean JP is out. None of the other regulars have the time to make the show notes every week. Without JP, there is no show, and even if someone else fills that role, viewer numbers go way down. There are few prominent community figures that have the position where they can host that show regularly. Why would JP be out o.o SotG didn't always affiliate with MLG and JP still ran it back then
He works for MLG. If EG or TL picked up the show, MLG would not let him host it. Not as a malicious act. I'm sure the everyone at EG and TL are very friendly with everyone at MLG, but it's business. An MLG employee can't host an EG or TL show.
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On December 20 2011 09:06 SimDawg wrote:
Only thing that matters is SOTG.
I think thats the reason for this cancels. Dont get me wrong, FS and SC were great, but they were not as apealing as something like Sotg, where a huge part of the community is just waiting for tuesdays just to watch it.
They cancel them both because they will probably try to create a more solid show. There is a lot of content (news, games, etc) generated on a daily basis so they just have to get the right formula to squeze al the juice out of it. Hopefully we will get something great.
Pd: I never liked slasher =/
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On December 20 2011 09:11 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:56 tuho12345 wrote:On December 20 2011 07:28 brad1031 wrote:On December 20 2011 07:25 Mandalor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:21 brad1031 wrote:
Wise to cancel these shows. They lose money by producing them.... care to tell us about your sources? Umm......? How do you make money off of 2k viewers and 3k at most? when you have to pay at least 3-5 people to produce one of the shows you lose an absurd amount of money They don't make money off it, they make show to keep the viewers in touch, so they know what's going on. Just like UFC they need to have a show to talk about upcoming fighters right? Also SoTG have 20k viewers easily, so if you don't know a thing pls don't talk. This is correct. I remember when JP had to put the show on hold for a couple weeks recently because he was really busy with events and MLG business, he stated (I think on TL) that they do the show because they love doing it, and they don't get money out of it. If they end up shutting down SotG as well, I won't be happy . During school in particular, being able to listen to State of the Game on Tuesday nights is really fun and relaxing. I'd hate to see it go.
This was true originally, but now the hosts get paid by MLG. Which, I suppose, is kinda the reason why they stopped in the first place, because it was affecting their "real" jobs.
Even if MLG drops SotG, EG has bidded against MLG for SotG in the past. They might do so again. Inside the Game is different enough from SotG that it would work, and SotG still has a much larger following.
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On December 20 2011 09:06 SimDawg wrote:
Only thing that matters is SOTG.
If they somehow cancel that/don't allow it to go back on for free or whatever I'll have to find some way to make a vocal protest.
At the end of the day its just a bunch of guys talking. They could easily just change the name and as long as its the same people it wont matter.
Shame that F**k Slasher is cancelled though or is he going to continue on his own?
Slasher is a good host but I think he could do better with a more informal show (just a webcam and some callers) I feel like he holds back a bit with F Slasher
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Who else would love to see Chobopeon + Slasher show, im sure it will be informative and hilarious :D
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On December 20 2011 09:09 brad1031 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:24 FlyingLigerz wrote:
wth. why would they cancel these shows. i dont think they cost like anything to produce. Are you mentally ill?
Your going to have to up your commenting standards if you want to last long on TL. The whole you are misinformed/I disagree therefore your retarded youtube comments section attitude is really frowned upon here.
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On December 20 2011 09:19 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:14 CeriseCherries wrote:On December 20 2011 09:10 Mr Showtime wrote:On December 20 2011 09:05 Mohdoo wrote:
I think that if MLG cancelled SOTG, EG would pounce on it. Don't worry guys. Yes and no. Someone would try to take it over, but that would mean JP is out. None of the other regulars have the time to make the show notes every week. Without JP, there is no show, and even if someone else fills that role, viewer numbers go way down. There are few prominent community figures that have the position where they can host that show regularly. Why would JP be out o.o SotG didn't always affiliate with MLG and JP still ran it back then He works for MLG. If EG or TL picked up the show, MLG would not let him host it. Not as a malicious act. I'm sure the everyone at EG and TL are very friendly with everyone at MLG, but it's business. An MLG employee can't host an EG or TL show.
But an EG or TL employee can host an MLG show? We've been through this already when Incontrol briefly left and it wouldn't make sense for them to open this can of worms again after they showed that they can make this work.
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i hope theyll keep sotg but honestly ive never heard of the other shows
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On December 20 2011 09:06 SimDawg wrote:
Only thing that matters is SOTG.
Pretty much yes.
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Hopefully it's for the best. The money that would've gone to producing those shows could go towards the prize pool for all we know.
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You must keep State of the Game alive, it is hands down the best online show for SC2. Every Tuesday my week becomes a little bit brighter because of the show. The pillars carry the community on their shoulders, and canceling it would do no good for MLG and e-sports. In the case that it is canceled i believe it would be safe to say MLG is killing E-Sports
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I wonder what MLG is replacing these with... O.O?!
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On December 20 2011 09:21 nekoconeco wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:06 SimDawg wrote:
Only thing that matters is SOTG.
If they somehow cancel that/don't allow it to go back on for free or whatever I'll have to find some way to make a vocal protest. At the end of the day its just a bunch of guys talking. They could easily just change the name and as long as its the same people it wont matter. Shame that F**k Slasher is cancelled though or is he going to continue on his own? Slasher is a good host but I think he could do better with a more informal show (just a webcam and some callers) I feel like he holds back a bit with F Slasher
Yeah that's a good point. MLG really won't be able to keep the show off air.
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On December 20 2011 09:25 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:09 brad1031 wrote:On December 20 2011 05:24 FlyingLigerz wrote:
wth. why would they cancel these shows. i dont think they cost like anything to produce. Are you mentally ill? Your going to have to up your commenting standards if you want to last long on TL. The whole you are misinformed/I disagree therefore your retarded youtube comments section attitude is really frowned upon here.
Report it and move on if you think it's a problem. I find your "holier-than-thou" attitude to be more bothersome than his post.
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On December 20 2011 09:49 KawaiiRice wrote:
I wonder what MLG is replacing these with... O.O?!
The 2012 Season
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whats stopping slasher from doing it from his house like wheat?
show was just starting to pick up steam
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Aw man, !@#$ Slasher was really good
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More Prizemoney = Less Staff!
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Its too bad they have to cancel these shows, i wonder if its due to the economy or if they have new directions they want to go.
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They were running out of repeats on their license for the pre-show music. Gotta save them for the tournaments.
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Slasher had a great program. just too few viewers.. I'm a sad tiger. (
GL to Slasher bro
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SotG will survive ofc, but I was starting to like F Slasher.
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Actually, thinking about it, it doesn't make sense for MLG to be producing all that content. They're a tournament, and if they move in that direction somewhere down the line they'll become an eSports corporate giant the tournament will suffer. It's better if it focuses on the tournament, and leaves the journalism and shows to other people.
This, as well as the obvious arguments about independent journalism etc.
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i'm guessing it was purely cost/benefit decision. they want to be more profitable, so get rid of the items with the least traffic. unfortunately, those shows had potential (and were entertaining to me and all the posters above)
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Didn't JP start SotG without MLG? Should be fine
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LOLWUT? Are the tournaments affected?!
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State of the Game isn't going anywhere.
Back to my cave!
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On December 20 2011 10:22 Herper wrote:
Didn't JP start SotG without MLG? Should be fine
Yeah thats what I figured. It was only after that short break that it became part of the MLG broadcast.
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If I were to make a guess, it would be simply that people have been pushing for our community to step up the non biased indie media. No one has done that really, so some of our existing journalists left MLG and now are likely to pursue this "avenue". Kind of like swappin the label on a jar of jelly onto a jar of jam, a placebo for your preference. Same stuff, a little different taste.
Then again, just a shot in the dark, I have no "legitimate" Idea why anything would close unless there is some sort of lack of interest or funding.
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I know for sure F slasher was not that big, 1-2k viewers live, and it airs at a terrible time for west coasters in NA. I know all these smaller shows had something unique like interviews and such but SOTG already covers most starcraft content.
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There's no way they'll cancel SOTG. Even if by some absurd turn of events, someone else will pick up sponsoring it, I'm sure. Last week had at least 20k viewers if I remember correctly?
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they're cancelling the shows because there will be a bunch of video content in 2012 of actual gameplay (40 out of 52 weeks will have gameplay, according to sundance), they don't need to fill mlg.tv time with badly-produced shows anymore.
seriously ... Fuck Slasher was terrible, Julie's Show was awkward, and SC center was all right, I guess, but I just read the forums to keep up with SC news. none of these shows ever had more than a few hundred viewers.
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I liked the WaxAngel GSL discussion. Oh well.
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On December 20 2011 10:33 jtp118 wrote:
they're cancelling the shows because there will be a bunch of video content in 2012 of actual gameplay (40 out of 52 weeks will have gameplay, according to sundance), they don't need to fill mlg.tv time with badly-produced shows anymore.
seriously ... Fuck Slasher was terrible, Julie's Show was awkward, and SC center was all right, I guess, but I just read the forums to keep up with SC news. none of these shows ever had more than a few hundred viewers.
hopefully this means bigger prize pools for mlg too.
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On December 20 2011 10:26 itmeJP wrote:
State of the Game isn't going anywhere.
Back to my cave!
OH thank goodness.
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Lame, I watched both SC Report and F Slasher on a regular basis. I guess I'm okay without F slasher as long as Lo3 picks up the slack but it was nice to hear reactions of things daily. SC Report I watched less but I still tuned in often to hear their pov's on a lot of situations.
I would have flipped shit if SotG got canceled so thanks for the heads up JP! :D
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On December 20 2011 10:21 price wrote:
i'm guessing it was purely cost/benefit decision. they want to be more profitable, so get rid of the items with the least traffic. unfortunately, those shows had potential (and were entertaining to me and all the posters above)
This is probably the case. All we have in the way of news is chobo/slashers posts in this thread, the esfi article, and sundance's tweet. People are asking why is there not a larger press release regarding this. Generally, it's good business practice to explain things for PR reasons, and Sundance isn't an idiot so we can assume that the decision not to disclose specifics is for a reason. As far as I can tell there are a few related possibilities
1) The reason is self explanatory, they want to be leaner in 2012, and they couldn't justify the cost/benefit based on performance to date. In this case, making a detailed explanation of their financial position is counterproductive and hurts their brand image, hence the announcement being as it is. It doesn't even need to be that MLG is losing money or whatever, but that they are refining the way they produce content, this would be in line with what chobo said about refocusing.
2) Related news will be in an upcoming press release of 2012 announcements, this news needs to come out now because some of these shows will be airing their final episode. For whatever reason it makes no sense to release news about whatever changes are occurring at this point (there could be a perception of better overall coverage/more brand equity gained by releasing everything at once in a massive press release), so they release as little as possible. This is actually in my mind also quite probable, and doesn't exclude point 1).
3) They're a bunch of reptilian aliens trying to control the world, we cannot comprehend their logic since our brains are different from theirs, so we need to watch and see what happens. This is probably the most likely.
On December 20 2011 10:26 itmeJP wrote:
State of the Game isn't going anywhere.
Back to my cave!
This should have been self explanatory from the start-- remember JP tweeted just after the drunk episode something to the effect that he feels lucky to be able to be paid to do something like this? He definitely would not have had that type of tone had cancelling sotg been in the books, his tone is even more appropriate given that cancelling other shows was on the table. We could argue conversely that employees such as JP/Slasher had no advance notice of these changes, and we can't read too much into things, which is entirely possible, but I'm willing to bet that they would have at least a couple weeks notice, and definitely knew before the public release of the news.
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Also there is a German Dutch language article with Sundance here: http://www.gamer.nl/interview/195594/interview-met-mlg-ceo-digiovanni-het-was-een-geweldig-jaar
Here it is thru google translate:
+ Show Spoiler +
Last week we looked at the figures for the Major League Gaming Season 2011, and we gazed back at a successful year of electronic sport and the league itself. To conclude the year, we spoke again with MLG CEO Sundance DiGiovanni over the past year and the changes within the organization. In addition, look ahead to 2012 and what the coming year has in store for MLG, its spectators and players.
GNL: How have you experienced in 2011, compared to the 2010 season?
Sundance DiGiovanni: It was very rewarding to be able to be part of such a great year in terms of growth. 2011 2010 has definitely surpassed what numbers are concerned and I am very curious to see what we can achieve in the future. This is just the beginning.
What major changes have been made this year and why?
We have some things improved this year in order to make progress with the electronic sports. Streaming was for us one of the main points. Our partnership with Stream Works, we viewers the opportunity to stream the 720p HD quality viewing during our six Pro Circuit events. It's great to live to be present at a tournament, that feeling we wanted everyone around the world to experience. Streaming through, we were able to reach 175 countries and in total, more than 15 million hours of video viewed.
Furthermore, the addition of StarCraft II course a huge contribution to the growth of our community and attendances. Furthermore, we introduced the MLG Membership program and we added to the League of Legends tournament. Everything we have done this year is done to satisfy the community and expand our audience.
What was the most positive and most negative experience of this year?
The most positive experience of 2011 was the success of the national championship in Providence. I was convinced that we could drop a grand event and the results were extraordinary. 241,000 concurrent viewers and more than 3.6 million hours of video in just one weekend are great results, I would not it be happier.
The most negative experience was a shortage of tournaments. But six competitive events in one year is far from enough and we hope here in 2012, something that can do more through online and offline tournaments.
What are the prospects for Major League Gaming in 2012?
For 2012 we aim to build on the success of 2011. Expect more games, more leagues, more video, more live broadcasts and more global interaction.
Are there any games you would like to add Major League Gaming in the near future?
We are always researching new titles that could cause a big event and there are plenty of new games are eligible. I would greatly like Diablo III, fighting games, more first-person shooters and other titles to add. Eventually it is all down to what the community wants and what the current state of affairs [of the game and the sport itself electronically].
Is there anything you would still like to say to our readers?
I would greatly like to see more overseas trips in 2012 and our loyal fans visit. Helping to introduce Major League Gaming to others. I also want to thank everyone for a great 2011.
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Nooo, I liked SCreport and **** Slasher
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Was just getting into **** Slasher recently..oh well.
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On December 20 2011 10:26 itmeJP wrote:
State of the Game isn't going anywhere.
Back to my cave!
I wanted to quote this before I realized it was JP posting it. Oh well, still quoting.
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On December 20 2011 10:46 caradoc wrote:Also there is a German language article with Sundance here: http://www.gamer.nl/interview/195594/interview-met-mlg-ceo-digiovanni-het-was-een-geweldig-jaarHere it is thru google translate: + Show Spoiler +
Last week we looked at the figures for the Major League Gaming Season 2011, and we gazed back at a successful year of electronic sport and the league itself. To conclude the year, we spoke again with MLG CEO Sundance DiGiovanni over the past year and the changes within the organization. In addition, look ahead to 2012 and what the coming year has in store for MLG, its spectators and players.
GNL: How have you experienced in 2011, compared to the 2010 season?
Sundance DiGiovanni: It was very rewarding to be able to be part of such a great year in terms of growth. 2011 2010 has definitely surpassed what numbers are concerned and I am very curious to see what we can achieve in the future. This is just the beginning.
What major changes have been made this year and why?
We have some things improved this year in order to make progress with the electronic sports. Streaming was for us one of the main points. Our partnership with Stream Works, we viewers the opportunity to stream the 720p HD quality viewing during our six Pro Circuit events. It's great to live to be present at a tournament, that feeling we wanted everyone around the world to experience. Streaming through, we were able to reach 175 countries and in total, more than 15 million hours of video viewed.
Furthermore, the addition of StarCraft II course a huge contribution to the growth of our community and attendances. Furthermore, we introduced the MLG Membership program and we added to the League of Legends tournament. Everything we have done this year is done to satisfy the community and expand our audience.
What was the most positive and most negative experience of this year?
The most positive experience of 2011 was the success of the national championship in Providence. I was convinced that we could drop a grand event and the results were extraordinary. 241,000 concurrent viewers and more than 3.6 million hours of video in just one weekend are great results, I would not it be happier.
The most negative experience was a shortage of tournaments. But six competitive events in one year is far from enough and we hope here in 2012, something that can do more through online and offline tournaments.
What are the prospects for Major League Gaming in 2012?
For 2012 we aim to build on the success of 2011. Expect more games, more leagues, more video, more live broadcasts and more global interaction.
Are there any games you would like to add Major League Gaming in the near future?
We are always researching new titles that could cause a big event and there are plenty of new games are eligible. I would greatly like Diablo III, fighting games, more first-person shooters and other titles to add. Eventually it is all down to what the community wants and what the current state of affairs [of the game and the sport itself electronically].
Is there anything you would still like to say to our readers?
I would greatly like to see more overseas trips in 2012 and our loyal fans visit. Helping to introduce Major League Gaming to others. I also want to thank everyone for a great 2011.
thats dutch not german
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omg they shoulda made fuck slasher weekly and kept it. No idea what screport is though, never heard of that
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The problem with Slasher is it may be difficult for him to have a similar show under someone else's or his own banner since he still works for MLG. Where SotG is more of an entertainment show and JP can mostly avoid topics that may be critical of MLG, Slasher likes to do call ins and more actual journalism, and problems can and will arise with being employed by MLG and doing these things as we saw last week. So even if he starts a new show not produced by MLG, he will still have conflict issues.
Also I can't help but feel the scheduling of these shows was awful, especially SC Report. 5pm or earlier EST on a week day is very inaccessible. If MLG plans to add any shows in the future or chobopeon/slasher want to independently run their own shows they really need to consider this.
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On December 20 2011 10:33 jtp118 wrote:
they're cancelling the shows because there will be a bunch of video content in 2012 of actual gameplay (40 out of 52 weeks will have gameplay, according to sundance), they don't need to fill mlg.tv time with badly-produced shows anymore.
seriously ... Fuck Slasher was terrible, Julie's Show was awkward, and SC center was all right, I guess, but I just read the forums to keep up with SC news. none of these shows ever had more than a few hundred viewers.
Not true. Fuck slasher got 1.5-2.5k
SC center was in the 1000s
the other shows were below 1000 though.
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I'm sure that those shows will be reproduced with a non-MLG producer. I don't think this will effect the shows that much, it is just going to take some readjustment time.
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On December 20 2011 10:22 Herper wrote:
Didn't JP start SotG without MLG? Should be fine
Chobopeon ran SC Center independently for several months in March before it became SC Report..
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juicyjames
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If this post is accurate, then it sounds like MLG is just freeing up time slots to broadcast actual games. Given that MLG Global Invitational consistently got around 7k-12k it makes sense that they cancelled their shows in order to broadcast content more people will watch.
On November 22 2011 01:57 Ladnil wrote:The following is a bit of what I have gathered from Sundance's various leaks and teases. - 2012 to be divided into 4 seasons where they will host competitions both online and in their studios in Texas (where JP is based) and New York (where most of MLG is based). Each season culminates in a big event weekend comparable to what they ran this weekend in Providence, with a possible 5th event as a Grand Championship type of deal.
- Dramatically increased prize pools.
- 40 weeks a year of live content, but not necessarily every game every week in order to prevent oversaturation. Might be SC2/Halo one week and Gears/LoL the next for example.
- The MLG Global Invitational was sort of a beta test for the online component of next year’s system, and points towards seeding at the big live events will be able to be earned online.
- More ways into the pools (and by extension out of them). The online component mentioned, but also the possibility of local feeder tournaments.
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On December 20 2011 11:01 BiG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 10:46 caradoc wrote:Also there is a German language article with Sundance here: http://www.gamer.nl/interview/195594/interview-met-mlg-ceo-digiovanni-het-was-een-geweldig-jaarHere it is thru google translate: + Show Spoiler +
Last week we looked at the figures for the Major League Gaming Season 2011, and we gazed back at a successful year of electronic sport and the league itself. To conclude the year, we spoke again with MLG CEO Sundance DiGiovanni over the past year and the changes within the organization. In addition, look ahead to 2012 and what the coming year has in store for MLG, its spectators and players.
GNL: How have you experienced in 2011, compared to the 2010 season?
Sundance DiGiovanni: It was very rewarding to be able to be part of such a great year in terms of growth. 2011 2010 has definitely surpassed what numbers are concerned and I am very curious to see what we can achieve in the future. This is just the beginning.
What major changes have been made this year and why?
We have some things improved this year in order to make progress with the electronic sports. Streaming was for us one of the main points. Our partnership with Stream Works, we viewers the opportunity to stream the 720p HD quality viewing during our six Pro Circuit events. It's great to live to be present at a tournament, that feeling we wanted everyone around the world to experience. Streaming through, we were able to reach 175 countries and in total, more than 15 million hours of video viewed.
Furthermore, the addition of StarCraft II course a huge contribution to the growth of our community and attendances. Furthermore, we introduced the MLG Membership program and we added to the League of Legends tournament. Everything we have done this year is done to satisfy the community and expand our audience.
What was the most positive and most negative experience of this year?
The most positive experience of 2011 was the success of the national championship in Providence. I was convinced that we could drop a grand event and the results were extraordinary. 241,000 concurrent viewers and more than 3.6 million hours of video in just one weekend are great results, I would not it be happier.
The most negative experience was a shortage of tournaments. But six competitive events in one year is far from enough and we hope here in 2012, something that can do more through online and offline tournaments.
What are the prospects for Major League Gaming in 2012?
For 2012 we aim to build on the success of 2011. Expect more games, more leagues, more video, more live broadcasts and more global interaction.
Are there any games you would like to add Major League Gaming in the near future?
We are always researching new titles that could cause a big event and there are plenty of new games are eligible. I would greatly like Diablo III, fighting games, more first-person shooters and other titles to add. Eventually it is all down to what the community wants and what the current state of affairs [of the game and the sport itself electronically].
Is there anything you would still like to say to our readers?
I would greatly like to see more overseas trips in 2012 and our loyal fans visit. Helping to introduce Major League Gaming to others. I also want to thank everyone for a great 2011.
thats dutch not german
oops, thanks. fixed.
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Really confused, first we hear that MLG laid off a ton of people, now they are cancelling all of their online content?
The amount of growth MLG has had since even last year is incredible. Why would they be cutting these things? Especially slows like F slasher and sc report that were getting decent viewership?
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Looks like they *Puts on sunglasses* Fucked Slasher xd
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On December 20 2011 11:03 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 10:22 Herper wrote:
Didn't JP start SotG without MLG? Should be fine Chobopeon ran SC Center independently for several months in March before it became SC Report..
And if he wanted to start up sc center again he could
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On December 20 2011 07:00 Diamond wrote:Sundance just tweeted:
Does this mean bigger prize pools? :O
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On November 22 2011 01:57 Ladnil wrote:The following is a bit of what I have gathered from Sundance's various leaks and teases. - 2012 to be divided into 4 seasons where they will host competitions both online and in their studios in Texas (where JP is based) and New York (where most of MLG is based). Each season culminates in a big event weekend comparable to what they ran this weekend in Providence, with a possible 5th event as a Grand Championship type of deal.
- Dramatically increased prize pools.
- 40 weeks a year of live content, but not necessarily every game every week in order to prevent oversaturation. Might be SC2/Halo one week and Gears/LoL the next for example.
- The MLG Global Invitational was sort of a beta test for the online component of next year’s system, and points towards seeding at the big live events will be able to be earned online.
- More ways into the pools (and by extension out of them). The online component mentioned, but also the possibility of local feeder tournaments.
so... MLG is basically copying NASL?
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I hope to god they don't take away SOTG!
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On December 20 2011 11:28 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 01:57 Ladnil wrote:The following is a bit of what I have gathered from Sundance's various leaks and teases. - 2012 to be divided into 4 seasons where they will host competitions both online and in their studios in Texas (where JP is based) and New York (where most of MLG is based). Each season culminates in a big event weekend comparable to what they ran this weekend in Providence, with a possible 5th event as a Grand Championship type of deal.
- Dramatically increased prize pools.
- 40 weeks a year of live content, but not necessarily every game every week in order to prevent oversaturation. Might be SC2/Halo one week and Gears/LoL the next for example.
- The MLG Global Invitational was sort of a beta test for the online component of next year’s system, and points towards seeding at the big live events will be able to be earned online.
- More ways into the pools (and by extension out of them). The online component mentioned, but also the possibility of local feeder tournaments.
so... MLG is basically copying NASL?
Yes in fact that is what it seems more stream of game and less content like Media Etc
Seems they want to let the independent Media take control of things ... idk..
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It seems the shows were just not bringing enough traffic. I remember watching the vod with less than 1000 views per video, that is probably not enough to sustain a multimillion company.
Honestly makes perfect sense to me even though I think the shows had potential if they had better PR.
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Seems really out of nowhere. but good luck to all parties.
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cancel huh? we still havent gotten the MLG GI vods -_-
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Wow. I really hope state of the game won't be cancelled, it's such an amazing show. Besides, it's not like these shows cost much to produce and they actually generate so many views.
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SOTG and Weekly Warfare are confirmed to not be canceled.
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SotG is not going to be cancelled. JP was running for months before involving it with MLG.
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Katie Goldberg, MLG's public relations head, gave the following statement to ESFI World, which has been added to the original post on ESFI's site:
"We haven't made any announcements regarding an official broadcast schedule for 2012, but will likely be premiering new programming and showcasing competitive gameplay. As we approach the holidays, we do have a revised line-up including Weekly Warfare and State of the Game and the final episodes of !@#$ Slasher and SC Report airing [Tuesday]."
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With all the layoffs between MLG and Agora, and now this, it appears that they're really trimming the fat.
I'm guessing a closer look at the books showcased that they were throwing away a little too much of that venture capital on people and resources that weren't generating much, and there might be some pressure to start having a better return on all their events.
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if you listen caerfully to Sundance in interviews he has termed 2011 an "investment year" on many occasions. What that really means is that "we are doing unsustainable things with venture capital" and seeing which things make money and which things do not. The shows that were cancelled were probably not sustainable. Of course if any one whining about their demise really feels these shows are money makers no one is stopping them from becoming the "executive producer" for any of these recently cancelled shows.
i heard a rumour that Katie Goldberg is Bill Goldberg's cousin.
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Do SOTG without MLGS consent?
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Slasher should just do Fuck Slasher in his free time--it was a great show. Underappreciated.
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I will miss Fuck Slasher . It had a lot of good content and always had interesting guests.
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They will land on their feet. I would like to see some of the shows move over the OMG.tv
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I never got into a lot of their content, but I'm excited to see what new shows they intend on premiering in 2012. Change isn't always bad!
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It feels like they're doing this for a reason, but is it financial, or are they just looking to cut things to focus more?
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I only watch sotg, so hopefully its unaffected T.T
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What a shame, fuck slasher was really good. I blame incredibly poor marketing.
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Weird, why was Sundance saying he wanted one of MLG's focus to be on creating/distributing this type of content?
Perhaps investors could be seeing enough of their money being handed over to nobodies and think it's time to start seeing a return on their investments.
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As bad as it is it might be a good thing. Taking out all non-important stuff to form a more focused MLG. And doubt they will close their partnership with SOTG since pulls in a ton of viewers.
Anyways hope once they ready they add more awesome shows again.
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No more @#$%^ Slasher!!!!!!!!!!!!! No!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SOTG???
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I will really miss Slasher's show. It was like Lo3, but with just slasher. So many great guests and content. Its a damn shame.
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That's a shame, I'm gonna miss Fuck Slasher. I also used to watch SC Report a lot too, but haven't since the change over to MLG.
Hope SotG remains relatively unchanged!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I will boycott MLG if they cancel SotG >
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are they cancelling sotg? cause if so I'd be soooo angry
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state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny.
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On December 20 2011 13:45 zhurai wrote:are they cancelling sotg? cause if so I'd be soooo angry
No according to JP, updated OP.
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Shocking. I thought these shows were doing great for MLG!
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Aww crap. Don't like, at all.
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Not like the vods for these shows ever seemed to work when I tried them on MLG.tv anyway >,> I have the latest flash and browser and more often than not there's just blank space where the video should be and it never loads no matter what I do.
Not sad to see "fuck slasher" go tbh. That type of immaturity and lack of professionalism doesn't really add much of value to the scene or look good to investors imo. There's a big difference between not being afraid to prod a bit to get the truth with "hard hitting journalism" and just being a foul mouthed asshat for attention and to make a name for yourself, as is more the case for Slasher imo. Just my opinion though and I'm just one person so, respect whatever decisions MLG makes as long as they keep bringing awesome tournaments.
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On December 20 2011 14:21 darkest44 wrote:
Not like the vods for these shows ever seemed to work when I tried them on MLG.tv anyway >,> I have the latest flash and browser and more often than not there's just blank space where the video should be and it never loads no matter what I do.
Not sad to see "fuck slasher" go tbh. That type of immaturity and lack of professionalism doesn't really add much of value to the scene or look good to investors imo. There's a big difference between not being afraid to prod a bit to get the truth with "hard hitting journalism" and just being a foul mouthed asshat for attention and to make a name for yourself, as is more the case for Slasher imo. Just my opinion though and I'm just one person so, respect whatever decisions MLG makes as long as they keep bringing awesome tournaments.
Now we're two.
I think 'foul mouthed asshat' describes him perfectly. His one appearance on SotG left me going 'please don't get him on again'.
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On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny.
do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years
of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does
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On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny.
... I can't even tell if you're serious.
Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight.
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Canceling "fuck slasher" was a good idea, if MLG wants to move out of the basement, put on a suit, and actually get mainstream advertising support.
SC Report...make it a weekly show, and show it on Monday before or after Day9. I just don't think MLG has the production capacity to turn out Sportscenter-like daily recap.
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the only one of the canceled shows i've heard of is fuck slasher. i watched 2-3 times. it was o.k.
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Independent journalism in eSports was the "in topic," but we just need more (and better) journalism in general. I don't understand what MLG was thinking when they brought Chobopeon and SC Center in, only to kill off SC Center two months later.
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Sorry if this has been brought up, but what are the chances these were cancelled due to a partnership with a greater media distribution company? Having something called "Fuck Slasher" doesn't exactly look good for say, ESPN. And the bigger the company, the more control they will want over MLG's product.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On December 20 2011 14:40 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. ... I can't even tell if you're serious. Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight.
His opinions about esports in general are relevant, of course, but his opinions on SC2 carry even less weight than Tyler's "I have nothing more to add to that" XD
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On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does
umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game.
and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game.
to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft.
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On December 20 2011 14:40 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. ... I can't even tell if you're serious. Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight.
actually no, i would rather listen to opinions from someone like tyler or incontrol even if they aren't competing at the highest level anymore, because they actually have played at the highest level before and play the game better than 99.5^% of the community and they are more entertaining than some so called 'journalist with 10 yrs of of exp.
10 years of experience doesn't count for shit if your thought and opinions aren't relevant.
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I won't miss slasher, not after he truly BM'ed MC.
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On December 20 2011 14:25 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:21 darkest44 wrote:
Not like the vods for these shows ever seemed to work when I tried them on MLG.tv anyway >,> I have the latest flash and browser and more often than not there's just blank space where the video should be and it never loads no matter what I do.
Not sad to see "fuck slasher" go tbh. That type of immaturity and lack of professionalism doesn't really add much of value to the scene or look good to investors imo. There's a big difference between not being afraid to prod a bit to get the truth with "hard hitting journalism" and just being a foul mouthed asshat for attention and to make a name for yourself, as is more the case for Slasher imo. Just my opinion though and I'm just one person so, respect whatever decisions MLG makes as long as they keep bringing awesome tournaments. Now we're two. I think 'foul mouthed asshat' describes him perfectly. His one appearance on SotG left me going 'please don't get him on again'.
I seriously don't understand you guys. Slasher is really the only person on LO3 who keeps the show somewhat no fluff, and even on his own show being employed by MLG he was pretty honest and outright said when he couldn't comment on something due to his position at mlg. If you consider this immature perhaps you want all your media to be circle jerks like SotG, which although often entertaining, is far too embedded with major sponsors to say much of anything substantive.
JP did a great job in having the initiative to create a show with a good premise, but he is not a very good host and nothing resembling a journalist. You should have some more respect for slasher, someone who is actually willing to make people uncomfortable and control his own show instead of just letting his guests talk for as long as they want off topic.
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On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft.
Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick.
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On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick.
in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people.
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On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people.
In theory yes. In practice fuck no. All those people are so in bed with the industry that you will get a ton of softball questions which answer nothing.
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On December 20 2011 15:01 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:40 Skwid1g wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. ... I can't even tell if you're serious. Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight. His opinions about esports in general are relevant, of course, but his opinions on SC2 carry even less weight than Tyler's "I have nothing more to add to that" XD
Something about Fuck Slasher, though, is that it had quite a few guests (SC2 pros) come on and talk. State of the Game is usually the same people talking about other events whereas Fuck Slasher had the people involved in the events. I mean you guys can hate his foul mouth all you want (and yeah he can be a bit awkward) but he brought some pretty nice content. Hell, he even kinda got me interested in the other MLG games and fightan
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While he may or may not have any idea what he is talking about, he brought on people who definitely did (TLs Waxangel for GSL predictions etc, big name people for FPS games, prominent members of MOBA and fightan community even). I mean come on, this work must count for something.
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On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people.
You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that.
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well atleast JP is not going anywhere. fuck slasher was cool but !
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On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that.
exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis.
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yeah, dude, STOG is titilating, fer sure.
no way they'd drop that shit--it's the only show that ppl actually watch.
JP Entertaining!!!
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On December 20 2011 15:30 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:01 lichter wrote:On December 20 2011 14:40 Skwid1g wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. ... I can't even tell if you're serious. Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight. His opinions about esports in general are relevant, of course, but his opinions on SC2 carry even less weight than Tyler's "I have nothing more to add to that" XD Something about Fuck Slasher, though, is that it had quite a few guests (SC2 pros) come on and talk. State of the Game is usually the same people talking about other events whereas Fuck Slasher had the people involved in the events. I mean you guys can hate his foul mouth all you want (and yeah he can be a bit awkward) but he brought some pretty nice content. Hell, he even kinda got me interested in the other MLG games and fightan Edit: While he may or may not have any idea what he is talking about, he brought on people who definitely did (TLs Waxangel for GSL predictions etc, big name people for FPS games, prominent members of MOBA and fightan community even). I mean come on, this work must count for something.
sotg has had plenty of pros on it...even if the usual cast is more of a staple than other pros, they usually offer a pretty good balance of opinions.
i just dont really respect opinions given by people who dont know what they're talking about, kind of like how i think science journalists are a bit of a joke.
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On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis.
why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. there is quite a bit of criticism of MLG on sotg.
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On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh.
Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused.
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On December 20 2011 15:42 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:30 Dakure wrote:On December 20 2011 15:01 lichter wrote:On December 20 2011 14:40 Skwid1g wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. ... I can't even tell if you're serious. Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight. His opinions about esports in general are relevant, of course, but his opinions on SC2 carry even less weight than Tyler's "I have nothing more to add to that" XD Something about Fuck Slasher, though, is that it had quite a few guests (SC2 pros) come on and talk. State of the Game is usually the same people talking about other events whereas Fuck Slasher had the people involved in the events. I mean you guys can hate his foul mouth all you want (and yeah he can be a bit awkward) but he brought some pretty nice content. Hell, he even kinda got me interested in the other MLG games and fightan Edit: While he may or may not have any idea what he is talking about, he brought on people who definitely did (TLs Waxangel for GSL predictions etc, big name people for FPS games, prominent members of MOBA and fightan community even). I mean come on, this work must count for something. sotg has had plenty of pros on it...even if the usual cast is more of a staple than other pros, they usually offer a pretty good balance of opinions. i just dont really respect opinions given by people who dont know what they're talking about, kind of like how i think science journalists are a bit of a joke.
Supposing SotG talked about dignitasbling's performance at WCG, this is the difference between that show and fuck slasher:
SotG: Day9/JP/Tyler/InControl/Artosis/Someone else talking about his performance
Fuck Slasher: DignitasBling talking about his performance.
(http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/80276-slasher-12-13-11-bling-interview)
That's what I meant about Slasher bringing people on his show that were actually involved in the events that are being talked about. And I really enjoy that aspect of the show--it's the reason I continued watching after I was first introduced to it. Slasher isn't the only person that can do this, and to me it's fine if someone else does this, so long as this type of content is produced.
Do you see the difference in the types of shows? Slasher isn't really offering his own opinions so much as bringing on relevant names. When Slasher does talk without a guest, it's usually objective news. And when he does put in his opinion, there's often some banter with a co-host, and more recently open phone lines (Skype calls).
In particular, I'm defending the show is about.
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On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused.
SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War.
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On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. there is quite a bit of criticism of MLG on sotg.
Sotg is very entertaining but they couldn't even criticize a small new tournament organizer who defrauded people out of thousands of dollars and criticized the community for overreacting instead. They agreed independent journalism is needed because they aren't going to have any harsh questions or opinions on people they work with like Gus and shouldn't be expected to.
It is also mostly and sometimes only protoss players.
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On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused.
yes that happens when you read posts out of context, people were stating about the 'objectivity' of sotg, which i countered with the fact that slasher doesn't actually know anything meaning his role can be fulfilled by any multitutde of people (in other words he's pretty replaceable.)
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On December 20 2011 15:59 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:42 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:30 Dakure wrote:On December 20 2011 15:01 lichter wrote:On December 20 2011 14:40 Skwid1g wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. ... I can't even tell if you're serious. Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight. His opinions about esports in general are relevant, of course, but his opinions on SC2 carry even less weight than Tyler's "I have nothing more to add to that" XD Something about Fuck Slasher, though, is that it had quite a few guests (SC2 pros) come on and talk. State of the Game is usually the same people talking about other events whereas Fuck Slasher had the people involved in the events. I mean you guys can hate his foul mouth all you want (and yeah he can be a bit awkward) but he brought some pretty nice content. Hell, he even kinda got me interested in the other MLG games and fightan Edit: While he may or may not have any idea what he is talking about, he brought on people who definitely did (TLs Waxangel for GSL predictions etc, big name people for FPS games, prominent members of MOBA and fightan community even). I mean come on, this work must count for something. sotg has had plenty of pros on it...even if the usual cast is more of a staple than other pros, they usually offer a pretty good balance of opinions. i just dont really respect opinions given by people who dont know what they're talking about, kind of like how i think science journalists are a bit of a joke. Supposing SotG talked about dignitasbling's performance at WCG, this is the difference between that show and fuck slasher: SotG: Day9/JP/Tyler/InControl/Artosis/Someone else talking about his performance Fuck Slasher: DignitasBling talking about his performance. (http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/80276-slasher-12-13-11-bling-interview) That's what I meant about Slasher bringing people on his show that were actually involved in the events that are being talked about. And I really enjoy that aspect of the show--it's the reason I continued watching after I was first introduced to it. Slasher isn't the only person that can do this, and to me it's fine if someone else does this, so long as this type of content is produced. Do you see the difference in the types of shows? Slasher isn't really offering his own opinions so much as bringing on relevant names. When Slasher does talk without a guest, it's usually objective news. And when he does put in his opinion, there's often some banter with a co-host, and more recently open phone lines (Skype calls). In particular, I'm defending the show is about.
you didnt link the sotg where they talk about it. i watched the slasher interview and honestly i fail to see your point. slahser asks the same fucking questions that any journalist would ask. he sounds just like some random asking question about sc2.
" oh how did you feel about this match."
"how did you know you were gonna do good'
'what did you do in seoul how did you feel about'
'how do you feel playing aginst MVP, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING herp a derp'.
his role could be fulfilled by any journalist whether or not they have been 'involved in esports for 10 years' as if that means anything at all.
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On December 20 2011 16:01 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. there is quite a bit of criticism of MLG on sotg. Sotg is very entertaining but they couldn't even criticize a small new tournament organizer who defrauded people out of thousands of dollars and criticized the community for overreacting instead. They agreed independent journalism is needed because they aren't going to have any harsh questions or opinions on people they work with like Gus and shouldn't be expected to. It is also mostly and sometimes only protoss players.
? day 9 plays random, artosis played zerg as well. if you're referencing PPSL the only questions that were fielded was direct as artosis who was unaware of the drama, because he was treated well. that seemed like a pretty honest opinion to me, why would you SPECULATE about something you don't know.
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On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War.
I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows.
And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does.
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On December 20 2011 15:30 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:01 lichter wrote:On December 20 2011 14:40 Skwid1g wrote:On December 20 2011 13:46 dreamsmasher wrote:
state of the game was the only show i watched anyways.
modern warfare is a joke of a competitive game. i mean i guess you can play checkers competitively, but you get the point.
seems like people watched fuck slasher...never watched it, since it had kind of a retarded name and i dont even know who slasher is? why does his opinion even matter. with state of the game you know who's on it, that they know what they're talking about, and its pretty fucking funny. ... I can't even tell if you're serious. Slasher has been involved with E-sports for longer than almost anyone else. I'm not a fan of him or his show, but his opinion definitely carries some weight. His opinions about esports in general are relevant, of course, but his opinions on SC2 carry even less weight than Tyler's "I have nothing more to add to that" XD Something about Fuck Slasher, though, is that it had quite a few guests (SC2 pros) come on and talk. State of the Game is usually the same people talking about other events whereas Fuck Slasher had the people involved in the events. I mean you guys can hate his foul mouth all you want (and yeah he can be a bit awkward) but he brought some pretty nice content. Hell, he even kinda got me interested in the other MLG games and fightan Edit: While he may or may not have any idea what he is talking about, he brought on people who definitely did (TLs Waxangel for GSL predictions etc, big name people for FPS games, prominent members of MOBA and fightan community even). I mean come on, this work must count for something.
It was just a joke
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On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:38 taLbuk wrote:
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do you even read what you type? half of what your saying has no relevance at all, also slasher is a journalist who has been in esports for 10+ years
of course sotg isn't going anywhere don't know why people would even imagine it does umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game. and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game. to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does.
well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'.
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On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:
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umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game.
and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game.
to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right?
Fuck Slasher was a new show, so it takes time to build an audience. Before MLG killed it off pre-maturally, it had been slowly gaining momentum and by far was MLG's best performing daily lineup. In its last weeks, it has been hitting 3k concurrents peaks - that's in line with stuff like Korean Weekly, ITG, IPL, or a bad day for NASL.
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On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:
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umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game.
and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game.
to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right?
He was getting roughly 2k viewers daily and he has Lo3. He has over 13k followers on twitter. How many esports journalists can say that? Hell how many can you name? We dont even know why mlg canceled the shows either. These are only assumptions right now.
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On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 dreamsmasher wrote:
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umm well considering one of the shows that was canceled was called the WARFARE WEEKLY, ya i think it does kind of have relevance especialy since mlg hosts CoD as a competitive game.
and i care that slasher is a journalist (even if its in esports of 10 years)? why does his experience matter if he doesn't really know shit about the game.
to me he's just some sloppily dressed fucker who i've never seen before offer some rather useless opinions about starcraft. Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'.
You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint.
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IMO makes sense, give a several shows a go, see which ones thrive and which ones are just surviving (ie not making money)
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On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:
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Can you be any more ignorant? Fuck slasher was a good show not because of slashers opinions, but because each day he was able to get big names on the show relating to current topics and issues. And it wasnt just sc2, it was all of esports in one place. Slasher never claimed to be an expert in the games, but always got some experts and pros in daily. It was a great show and i will miss it. Slasher has worked harder in esports than most people. Just because you dont know this doesnt mean you get to be a prick. in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint.
can't take your post seriously with the word journalistical in it. can't ignore that irony. JOURNALISTICAL STANDPOINT guys.
rebecca black made a lot of money via itunes, mw3 sold more copies than sc2 + hos + heart of the void probably wll sell together doesn't mean any of the aforementioned subjects are any good at their respective fields. in fact they're pretty trash.
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On December 20 2011 16:35 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:
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in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint. ya i mean rebecca black sold a lot of mp3's? (not sure don't pay of music) on itunes doesn't mean she's a good musician and cod mw3 selling more copies in one year than sc2 may over all 3 xpacs doesn't mean its a good game.
Rebecca black sold music because she was hilariously bad. William Hung did the same thing 10 years ago. Mw3 selling millions of copies means is more popular than sc2, which it is, as a game, not an esport.
And whats the point?
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good riddance and seriously fuck slasher every time i tune in there was never any content just him and his crew chillaxin and mess in round i had a premonition of this last week for trying to OWN the name MAJOR LEAGUE GAMING they sure don't seem too professional
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On December 20 2011 16:35 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:24 dreamsmasher wrote:
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in other words he could be replaced by someone else who actually knows what theyr'e talking about, or he could be replaced by several shows with people who actually know what they're talking about interviewing the same relevant people. You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint. can't take your post seriously with the word journalistical in it. can't ignore that irony. JOURNALISTICAL STANDPOINT guys. rebecca black made a lot of money via itunes, mw3 sold more copies than sc2 + hos + heart of the void probably wll sell together doesn't mean any of the aforementioned subjects are any good at their respective fields. in fact they're pretty trash.
And attacking a typo, running out of arguments?
And once again, just because you think something is trash doesnt make it trash. You said slasher had no appeal when he clearly does, and so does cod.
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On December 20 2011 16:38 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:35 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
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You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint. ya i mean rebecca black sold a lot of mp3's? (not sure don't pay of music) on itunes doesn't mean she's a good musician and cod mw3 selling more copies in one year than sc2 may over all 3 xpacs doesn't mean its a good game. Rebecca black sold music because she was hilariously bad. William Hung did the same thing 10 years ago. Mw3 selling millions of copies means is more popular than sc2, which it is, as a game, not an esport. And whats the point?
well since you need me to point it out to me it involves someone being bad, but getting 'increasing more views' even though he has about the same number of views as any number of pros streaming.
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On December 20 2011 16:43 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:35 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
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You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint. can't take your post seriously with the word journalistical in it. can't ignore that irony. JOURNALISTICAL STANDPOINT guys. rebecca black made a lot of money via itunes, mw3 sold more copies than sc2 + hos + heart of the void probably wll sell together doesn't mean any of the aforementioned subjects are any good at their respective fields. in fact they're pretty trash. And attacking a typo, running out of arguments? And once again, just because you think something is trash doesnt make it trash. You said slasher had no appeal when he clearly does, and so does cod.
a typo is when you misspell a word, you genuinely thought that journalistical was a word.
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Huzzah! Much love to JP for assuaging our fears. The crisis has been averted.
*returns pitchfork to barn and snuffs out torch*
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Slasher brought actual content with people involved. Even when he couldn't give his opinion he had guests who could.
You can not compare SOTG with FSlasher. And i would say that Slasher had more outspoken guests and therefore more opinions than SOTG ever had. SOTG is a talkshow. Nothing more.
Slasher had much more insight. It was news.
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On December 20 2011 16:43 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:35 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:On December 20 2011 15:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
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You dont get it. You shouldnt be looking to Slasher for analysis on the games. You look to Slasher for info on news in the scene. Kobe isnt showing you highlights on espn. Kobe isnt doing interviews with Lebron. People like Slasher do that. exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint. can't take your post seriously with the word journalistical in it. can't ignore that irony. JOURNALISTICAL STANDPOINT guys. rebecca black made a lot of money via itunes, mw3 sold more copies than sc2 + hos + heart of the void probably wll sell together doesn't mean any of the aforementioned subjects are any good at their respective fields. in fact they're pretty trash. And attacking a typo, running out of arguments? And once again, just because you think something is trash doesnt make it trash. You said slasher had no appeal when he clearly does, and so does cod.
.never said he has no appeal, but clearly my opinion is reflected by the fact that he got canceled.
i mean if he makes it big .independently you can make me eat my words.
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On December 20 2011 16:45 Derity wrote:
Slasher brought actual content with people involved. Even when he couldn't give his opinion he had guests who could.
You can not compare SOTG with FSlasher. And i would say that Slasher had more outspoken guests and therefore more opinions than SOTG ever had. SOTG is a talkshow. Nothing more.
Slasher had much more insight. It was news.
can't have insight when you don't know shit about any game you're talking about.
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Glad SoTG is still alive, but sad to see ( I can't believe I'm saying this) Fuck Slasher and StarCraft Report go TT
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On December 20 2011 16:44 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:43 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:35 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 15:34 Duravi wrote:
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exactly. kobe isnt going to criticize other players. kobe isnt going to criticize the league. players and people like day 9 cannot be used for any kind of honest analysis. why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh. Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint. can't take your post seriously with the word journalistical in it. can't ignore that irony. JOURNALISTICAL STANDPOINT guys. rebecca black made a lot of money via itunes, mw3 sold more copies than sc2 + hos + heart of the void probably wll sell together doesn't mean any of the aforementioned subjects are any good at their respective fields. in fact they're pretty trash. And attacking a typo, running out of arguments? And once again, just because you think something is trash doesnt make it trash. You said slasher had no appeal when he clearly does, and so does cod. a typo is when you misspell a word, you genuinely thought that journalistical was a word.
So not only do you represent the opinion of everyone in the community, you also know what i meant to post. Clearly i didnt mean journalistic, because its not like i said it earlier in this thread. Im sorry i work 50-60 hours a week and get tired.
Slasher would get more views than most pros. He shouldnt because more emphasis needs to be on the players but thats another topic.
And once again you are assuming the show got canceled due to lack of viewership. We dont know this. We do know mlg will be putting out more gaming content next year taking up their resources and broadcast time.
And slasher already made it on his own. Its why he is popular today. Do you think he only has a following because he works for mlg?
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slasher is trash, glad his show is gone. he ruined the last sotg for me and many other people. i had to turn it off 5 min after he came on. if i remember correctly the viewership had gone down like 3k viewers before i logged off. hes the only personality in esports that consistently takes talking points and turns them negative. less slasher means more awesome people talking about starcraft.
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On December 20 2011 17:07 Magikarplol wrote:
slasher is trash, glad his show is gone. he ruined the last sotg for me and many other people. i had to turn it off 5 min after he came on. if i remember correctly the viewership had gone down like 3k viewers before i logged off. hes the only personality in esports that consistently takes talking points and turns them negative. less slasher means more awesome people talking about starcraft.
Yeah because with no fuck slasher we will see Waxangel talking gsl after each round. We will get so many interviews with DRG.
Oh wait... they, along with a ton of other pros, were all on fuck slasher...
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Hmmm... so there are changes incoming? Still a little weird that they would cancel shows that really don't cost a lot to produce.
But I guess there will be new shows.... or I hope there will be new shows!
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On December 20 2011 17:07 Magikarplol wrote:
he ruined the last sotg for me and many other people.
Consider me not part of your many other people.
Keep the harmful remarks out of this thread, please, no one deserves to be told they're trash.
Ontopic: My guess is that this has to do with MLG wanting to be televized. Full focus on the conventions, less on the streams.
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wasn't watching any of those, and SotG would continue even if MLG wouldnt want it. Afaik only one of the 4 hosts is an MLG emlpoyee
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at first he says he wasn't sure
and then he says he made the decision beforehand
it is a blatant contradiction
he then goes on to try to find some middle ground, saying "this only made me more sure of my decision"
I feel as if he was considering this, and then decided to act like he had pulled the plug previously to MLG doing so, because it is hurtful to have someone end a relationship, and that's what this is in a sense, a relationship. I feel bad for you guys that watched this show, and while I would normally wade through 27 pages of content, I don't have much invested into this. I was worried about SotG, personally.
I am referring to ChoboPeon, I believe. I am not really "up to date" with these shows, admittedly, but I try to stay on top of my SC2 news.
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SOTG is the only thing I watch anyway
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i liked fuck slasher sad to see it go
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Slasher never really seem informed about any scene besides maybe quake. He would skim the latest drama thread or read some results but there where a lot of times he simply flat out said the wrong things. One of the worst ever was when he said he "understood korean culture" and the sc esports team blah blah I talk to __________ reporter from _____. Then he went on to completely make a fool of himself as he applied western culture directly to korea with the TSL fiasco. Slasher gets stuff wrong all the time, it shows he looks it up but is not "into" many of the scenes he tries to cover. I dont think the daily show on "esports" is really needed or valuable unless its done EXCEPTIONALLY well, which really unfortunately isnt worth the cost right now either.
MLG TV was really shoddy as well and its a good cut. Fuck Slasher was "okay" at times but no way that content can draw in the viewers.
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This makes sense. Make way for much more independent journalism in 2012. I enjoyed Fuck Slasher but like MLG's decision to put resources in places that make more sense, the MLB/NHL,etc. aren't primarily investing their money on in house coverage, but rather marketing,etc. and letting 3rd parties do the analysis and news surrounding the sport. ie. ESPN, TSN, etc.
If MLG and eSports want to grow I think this is an excellent choice.
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So sad for FSLASHER. It was a not too late in the night show that i found really intersting even though you can discuss about the revelance of some content or opinion stated in it.
I think the cancellation might also have a link with the audience of the show that was not very big (1500 viewers on average, 3000 at maximum), compare high valuated production involved.
Anyway, i hope they will start those shows again somewhere else!
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even though i don't really 100% agree with slasher's point of view on the world, i kind of liked his show considering it was a good source to get news in the competitive gaming scene. besides, unless it was something about the mlg, he had quite an objective view and don't try to talk things good like other shows, who claim that it is not their duty to do so (which might be true but is still a bit disappointing).
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Sad for FSlasher, was a great show.
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F Slasher, you will be missed!
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Slasher annoyed me I"m not sad to see it go
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As long as SOTG continues ...
SC Report was great, visible lineup, everything reminiscent of SportsCenter. Hope chobopeon hasn't lost his passion (chuckle) and finds a way to continue the program in a diminished capacity at least.
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Definitely curious why the shows shut down. Perhaps either bad PR or not doing well enough (whatever that actually means)?
Quite frankly, I trust Sundance's decision on it for the most part, considering how good of a guy he is. He surely has really legitimate reasons for doing something like this, and he wouldn't close them for no reason.
Super happy that SotG is staying
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I suspect this really is what Sundance says it is; making MLG leaner. The more things the company has to do, the more decisions have to be made, and the less focus the higher ups at the company can spare for any given product. If you've got projects that are sucking up a lot of man hours but aren't generating a big ROI, and you have an idea where you could put that money and time to get a better return, it makes sense to refocus.
Basically, even if the shows they cancelled were breaking even or even making a small profit, it may very well make good business sense to stop producing them to focus resources elsewhere.
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This is sad news, but if I had to guess, MLG may be looking to compete with IPL's success with more actual game content. I won't be the least bit surprised to see the announcement of MLG's own versions of Team Arena Challenge and Fight Club, etc. Maybe even an online league season similar to GSL in frequency and format.
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I'm really perplexed as to why they removed Fuck Slasher. Was a really decent show that. Didn't it hold around 2k average and being a daily show and all ?
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This isn't really news MLG created all of this and they can take it all away whenever they want to. Just remember that MLG is in offseason mode right now and I imagine they want to cut everything. These shows can simply go independent much like State of the Game was and is now simply hosted by MLG. EZ PZ!
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Waw..that left a gap in my heart really i was a daily !%$@! Slasher watcher and i loved them all
+ The huge fact i was finding out about other awesome communities like Quake...CoD ...CS...and so on...it was a great show that covered a huge part of e-sports..not just 1 game
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Im not really supportive of MLG's choice of doing this. Fuck Slasher, and SOTG better continue elsewhere. Their to good to drop. Julies Show was interesting at times. It just had some weird guests at times.
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sad
i think dailys are the way to go to improve esports and make it a stable buisness and keep the fans in the game.
i really liked mlg for their way to produce sc2 content on a regular way. i really love seeing mlgs every 2-3 months. Big events once a year are nice but tbh when one year is over some of the games alrdy lost half of their fans. so i really love events and shows on a regular basis. maybe dailys are too much for fuck slasher but i think a weekly would be ok aswell.
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It is very strange that Sundance would just have no comment.
Why not just explain the reasoning and be done with it, now instead we have big questions and speculation.
They couldn't have handled this worse in my view.
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Have to say I never watched an episode.
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Well I am not hugely surprised as none of these shows really got any viewers. I could be wrong but did Fuck Slasher really ever get over 2k viewers and SC2 report I believe had even less, I have seen some mlg shows that have like 50 viewers.
It seems to me that State of the game is pretty much the only really successful online show that mlg has so obviously that isn't going anywhere.
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On December 20 2011 23:18 Krogan wrote:
Well I am not hugely surprised as none of these shows really got any viewers. I could be wrong but did Fuck Slasher really ever get over 2k viewers and SC2 report I believe had even less, I have seen some mlg shows that have like 50 viewers.
It seems to me that State of the game is pretty much the only really successful online show that mlg has so obviously that isn't going anywhere.
Fuck Slasher had more than 2k pretty much all the time (i think it hit 5k on good shows). The lasts SC2 reports were at 1k.
I will really miss them.
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Never tuned in to fuck slasher. I don't really like slasher and thought the name of the show was dumb.
2k viewers isn't much if you compare it to other shows and if MLG is backing it. Not surprised this stuff got axed
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2k/5k viewers = not enough income when the show is about 1-2 hours long.
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"Fuck Slasher" was a dumb and immature name for a show to begin with, and the actual show wasn't much better. Good riddance.
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funny that sundance mentions lean and mean, while really its just Lean management which means all processes that dont contribute to the end product/happiness of customers should be cut. While i actually do see sotg and f slasher contribute to the end product. Since branding MLG is part of what they are supposed to do. Anyhow it's not that I bother to much really, welcome to the real world where unpopular shows get cut daily. (although i dont see sotg be unpopular, but I guess the costs don't out weight the benefits since the pillars of sotg aren't really there out of the name of MLG but try to be not bias. Also its not that they get more website hits, because MP3's and VODS are posted on sotg blogspot.
So from an organisational pov its totally acceptable. And from my personal view I don't give a f
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I'm OK with this. I'd be very sad if there was no SOTG, but as long as it keeps trucking I'm a happy bunny.
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As long as SOTG is unaffected this is acceptable... still -.-
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That sucks, Slasher's show was actually pretty decent as far as news related shows went
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Im not surprised that these have been cancelled. F Slasher was entertaining at times but he always seems to play the role of "ill be as controversial as possible" which for my tastes got boring very quickly and can only really be achieved by very funny people in any form of program. However, I'm sure that this isn't Rod in real life (time for your public persona to mature a little IMO) and expect other content to emerge from MLG. As for starcraft centre i only ever watched one but I feel that JP's strengths are much more suited to being a host than a caster where I feel that he is weaker. Just my opinions but good luck to all and everyone should bear in mind that these programs when you factor in support staff, equipment and location expenses were well supported and given a fair chance.
Now I expect an amalgamation of these shows with better direction and presentation to emerge at some point and probably would be better off once a week, so that its something to look forward to, SOTG would be boring if it were to happen 3 times a week.
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SotG is alive and kicking which is awesome. Fuck Slasher. (end of sentence)
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i really dont understand why, i always liked slasher
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Not too surprised or upset to see "F%$# Slasher" go, it was kind of annoying hearing weekly Slasher pontificate from positions which he was completely wrong about, and yet make a stir in the community because the talking heads of esports for some reason respected his opinion enough to show him how wrong he was. Well, if you're a Slasher fan, don't worry, I'm sure he'll still be guest starring more on LiveOnThree and SoTG etc. I wonder, are they doing away with the Vinny Brusco show too? I really enjoyed that one, but it had a paltry amount of viewers compared to even Slasher.
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On December 20 2011 23:28 LuckyFool wrote:
Never tuned in to fuck slasher. I don't really like slasher and thought the name of the show was dumb.
Same here. Slasher comes off as immature to me, and the name of the show just furthered that belief in me.
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I remember seeing another forum member saying he was looking to get more into the E-sports scene in some kind of behind the scenes fashion, not necessarily playing. With news like this, it appears that getting a chance like that will become even harder. I can understand what Sundance is saying when he wants MLG to be lean and mean, so this decision will help MLG toward that goal, but it would be nice to see something consistent from MLG especially since it's the off season before the next wave of events.
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Which show other than State of the game was more popular than F Slasher for MLG? Having 2k-5k daily viewers is pretty damn good.
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On December 21 2011 01:01 Eury wrote:
Which show other than State of the game was more popular than F Slasher for MLG? Having 2k-5k daily viewers is pretty damn good.
Its really good by the standards of independent people putting on a show, but not by the standards of an actual for-profit organization. Kind of like how you couldn't support a workforce of people from Destiny's stream, but he can easily support himself from it.
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On December 20 2011 17:55 dacthehork wrote:
Slasher never really seem informed about any scene besides maybe quake. He would skim the latest drama thread or read some results but there where a lot of times he simply flat out said the wrong things. One of the worst ever was when he said he "understood korean culture" and the sc esports team blah blah I talk to __________ reporter from _____. Then he went on to completely make a fool of himself as he applied western culture directly to korea with the TSL fiasco. Slasher gets stuff wrong all the time, it shows he looks it up but is not "into" many of the scenes he tries to cover.
this is precisely correct; i've watched Slasher on the MLG FAQ, F Slasher, and LO3 ... he knows almost nothing about the Halo scene (which is where i started with esports), and even less about the SC2 scene. he doesn't really seem to put in the effort, and is extremely annoying (imo), in terms of presentation and interviewing style
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I'm sorry to see these go. SotG is funny but frankly probably the most useless of the three. Having it stay around makes sense because it pulls the most viewers, but it's sad to see MLG prioritize the quantity of viewers over quality of the program. As long as they use this change-up to devote more energy to their events I guess it will be worth it, but they were on to something with those shows and it's sad that they don't want to continue in that direction.
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On December 21 2011 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:01 Eury wrote:
Which show other than State of the game was more popular than F Slasher for MLG? Having 2k-5k daily viewers is pretty damn good. Its really good by the standards of independent people putting on a show, but not by the standards of an actual for-profit organization. Kind of like how you couldn't support a workforce of people from Destiny's stream, but he can easily support himself from it.
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too.
Was stog immediately as popular as it is today. How long did it take them to be as popular as fuck slasher was now?
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On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too.
Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit.
I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move:
* MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around.
* MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen.
* MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business.
* There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that.
It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things.
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I honestly can't say I'll miss any of these shows, since I never watch them. However, I feel sorry for the people who actually host / anchor the shows, their spokespeople. It must feel like a real corporate dick-slap to be hung out to dry like that. I wish them all the best.
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Chill out people. If they drop SOTG it will be for all the better. Then SOTG can actually play real music during the breaks instead of the "free" music JP plays. You folks remember a time when SoTG wasn't backed by anyone but JP? but really SoTG gets so many viewers each week, it would be stupid for MLG to drop that show.
And who watched that Slasher show?
#%&@! Slasher was the Nancy Grace Show of the SC2 community.
Thank God it's not backed by mlg anymore. That show was dragging MLG's name through the mud.
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On December 21 2011 01:33 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too. Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit. I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move: * MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around. * MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen. * MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business. * There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that. It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things.
Very well said. I just don't think that pure profit was the reason for cancelling these shows as many of posters are implying. I might as well speculate a little.
The shows were not as popular as expected.
Mlg wants to be solely a tournament, not news show where the topic is 50% of the time themselves. And they cant be 100% honest when talking critically of themselves.
Slasher wasn't representing mlg very well at times.
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I'm not entirely sure how an organization that wants to appear professional (I assume) would even touch a show called @$#% Slasher in the first place. Incredibly juvenile and unprofessional name to associate/brand yourself with. Add in the fact that the guy admitted smoking pot before "work", on air and it's just a PR nightmare. Even if none of that bothers you personally, it's a terrible business decision that does nothing but alienate a significant group of people that might be interested in the content otherwise.
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F Slasher was quite good sad too see it go
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Well.. This sucks! Tuesday evenings for me consist of 2 things: 1) SC2 Tournaments from Zeek and Playhem 2) Sc2 Report, Slasher, and the rest of the shows.
What will I do tonight? These shows did not bring 100% of the news content out there...but for someone like me who doesn't buy GSL tickets, and who knows nothing about Counter Strike, LOL or Quake..I feel like I need these shows. These shows really kept me up to date on players and events going on around the world(Especially SLASHER).
Why do people NOT like Slasher's show? People want journalists...esports needs journalists. He has a strong point of view and is not afraid to speak it.. He also has a wide amount of knowledge about the Esports scene as a whole. When I first saw Slasher's show I remember laughing and learning about what's going on lately in all areas of gaming. I had the opportunity to speak with Slasher at Barcraft NASL in NYC for a few minutes(and got a picture!!!). Rod is a VERY well spoken man with TONS of potential still building up.
Julie's show and the other one..the guys with a pizza box for an overlay. haha...Julie had some pretty cool interviews...but nothing too special. However, Episode 3 of Julie's show interviewed Errol Spat Oktan(Is that abbreviated?) who works for Spatcave Studios(which is in Little Neck, NY!?!? Didn't know that!). This was a VERY fun episode to watch!! Seeing that there is someone who builds props for both video games and movies in Long Island intrigued me greatly. I'm planning on visiting the studio sometime after the holidays if anyone in NY is interested in tagging along.
I really hope that these shows continue somewhere..
-Tommy-
REFLEX.500
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so sotg is safe, but seriously "!%&!" Slasher" was awesome, too...
I will miss this show tbh..
everytime an esports-show gets cancelled its bad for the scene, MLG killing ESPORT in 2012?
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good f slasher was bad. he basically jumped on the rts stage even tho hes a fighting game guy
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I got warned for saying Slasher was trash. Sorry about that. But if you have a show called Fuck Slasher, it really shows what type of person you are. A very immature host, I'm glad he isn't further hurting the image of esports directly.
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On December 21 2011 01:33 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too. Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit. I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move: * MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around. * MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen. * MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business. * There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that. It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things.
Well said. I would rather MGL focus on being a lean, mean, event running machine. The man hours and money they were spending on those should could be put into other things. There are tons of things that they need to improve on, starting with that horrible website(sorry Sundance, Love you, but that site is like some horrible nightmare of 2002 web-design gone wrong). Art ,production and player profiles. I could go one forever.
Iphone/Ipad/tablet apps that allow us to download VODs would have me paying $10 every event just for that service. It would be the greatest gift to those of us who do not have unlimited time on the weekend to watch all of MGL. (I know I can stream, but I don't want to pay the data. I would rather give the money directly to MGL, rather than my cell provider).
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Glad state of the game isn't going anywhere, I wasn't expecting it to disband but yeah. I wont miss the affiliation it doesn't matter.
I don't think this is a good move by MLG because I am a perfect example of a starcraft show watcher that wasn't a particular fan of MLG but was starting to warm up to them because of the shows they produced.
It was a really cheap effective way to get thousands of people to see the MLG label everyday.
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Cutting away the useless shows going by the "lean and mean" comment. Though I will miss SC Repor, no one really watched it when it was SC Center either. ~1000 views average. MLG is clearly is just restructuring and determining what to do with next year's budget. Hopefully they implement some of the things mentioned on SOTG. It would be really neat.
On December 21 2011 02:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:33 Lysenko wrote:On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too. Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit. I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move: * MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around. * MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen. * MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business. * There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that. It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things. Well said. I would rather MGL focus on being a lean, mean, event running machine. The man hours and money they were spending on those should could be put into other things. There are tons of things that they need to improve on, starting with that horrible website(sorry Sundance, Love you, but that site is like some horrible nightmare of 2002 web-design gone wrong). Art ,production and player profiles. I could go one forever. Iphone/Ipad/tablet apps that allow us to download VODs would have me paying $10 every event just for that service. It would be the greatest gift to those of us who do not have unlimited time on the weekend to watch all of MGL. (I know I can stream, but I don't want to pay the data. I would rather give the money directly to MGL, rather than my cell provider).
That's a great suggestion. There's a lot of money out there and organizations like MLG aren't really tapping into that. Their membership isn't a very lucrative deal. Crazy how the community alone can send a player to a tournament (MKP). I think they mentioned that on SOTG. Just wanted to echo that sentiment.
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i predict new show or two more focused and prepared like SOTG. Instead of these smaller ones... just an opinion. Seems like classic restructuring to try to get more interest in stuff.
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Honestly, I watched SC2 Report once to see what it was and it didn't do much for me. I just wasn't thrilled about watching someone read TL threads and headlines to me. SOTG on the other hand is enjoyable because of it's cast of high profile casters and players.
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On December 21 2011 03:15 SupLilSon wrote:
Honestly, I watched SC2 Report once to see what it was and it didn't do much for me. I just wasn't thrilled about watching someone read TL threads and headlines to me. SOTG on the other hand is enjoyable because of it's cast of high profile casters and players.
I likes the SC Center, before it was on MGL. But back then it was 6 minutes. Provided me with my SC2 news in 6 minutes on youtube and I will tune in every day. Make me go to the MGL website, I will never tune in.
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Only one of the ones going to close i watched was fuck slasher... and that show was extremely hit or miss for me some good some atrociously boring and bad, i think MLG is just regearing a bit. SOTG has to stay there's no way i'd be as happy without it^^
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On December 21 2011 03:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 03:15 SupLilSon wrote:
Honestly, I watched SC2 Report once to see what it was and it didn't do much for me. I just wasn't thrilled about watching someone read TL threads and headlines to me. SOTG on the other hand is enjoyable because of it's cast of high profile casters and players. I likes the SC Center, before it was on MGL. But back then it was 6 minutes. Provided me with my SC2 news in 6 minutes on youtube and I will tune in every day. Make me go to the MGL website, I will never tune in.
Sorry pet peeve but it's MLG, not MGL.
On-topic: I won't miss any of the shows, as I didn't watch them. I spend a lot of time on TL so I don't need SC2 report to tell me anything, and !@#$ Slasher...well the name put me off already and I've heard Slasher a bit on LO3 and I didn't like it.
If most of these shows budgets go into the MLG events to expand membership benefits and event coverage then I'm happy for this rebudgeting
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I'd like to see a poll, 'which of these shows have you regularly watched?'
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Read this as "day9 cancels online show" because of the way it's lined up on the front page of sc2. wtf ><
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Slasher is an acquired taste ... Not the most natural broadcasting personality, but he's willing to raise the issues and questions that most broadcasters are too chummy, politically correct or chicken shit to ask. Gonna miss that.
Only real knock against Slasher is that he's a crummy drunk.
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On December 21 2011 01:10 jtp118 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 17:55 dacthehork wrote:
Slasher never really seem informed about any scene besides maybe quake. He would skim the latest drama thread or read some results but there where a lot of times he simply flat out said the wrong things. One of the worst ever was when he said he "understood korean culture" and the sc esports team blah blah I talk to __________ reporter from _____. Then he went on to completely make a fool of himself as he applied western culture directly to korea with the TSL fiasco. Slasher gets stuff wrong all the time, it shows he looks it up but is not "into" many of the scenes he tries to cover. this is precisely correct; i've watched Slasher on the MLG FAQ, F Slasher, and LO3 ... he knows almost nothing about the Halo scene (which is where i started with esports), and even less about the SC2 scene. he doesn't really seem to put in the effort, and is extremely annoying (imo), in terms of presentation and interviewing style
That's just honestly not true. Quake is the game that I play at a high level, but I am informed and up to date regarding the competitive scenes of all the other games, most notably Starcraft 2. I watch every tournament for every game, and make sure to factcheck, research and talk to the players, teams, leagues and journalists to get a full perspective of a situation. I try my hardest to be knowledgeable in the things I talk about, and I believe I have done so on the shows I have written and produced. While I may not be as 'into' the LoL/Halo scenes for instance, I watch the tournaments, do my homework and talk to people. Sometimes I get things wrong but I try to own up to my mistakes when I do so.
The name of my show is admittedly terrible, and one of the worst ideas I've had. Sorry about that!
The final airing of SC Report and !@#$ Slasher will be today. Will have Open Phones and some special guests, so if you've never tuned in before, or want to show us a send-off, tune in at http://www.MLG.tv at 5 PM EST.
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You had to go and ruin it with Open Phones :/
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Whats wrong with open phones?
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chances of getting on, slim to none lol
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SoTG is a "MLG show" now? what a fucking joke
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On December 21 2011 05:58 smallerk wrote:
SoTG is a "MLG show" now? what a fucking joke
Its been a mlg show for months...
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What's with the circlejerk? Of course the people who watched the shows regularly and enjoyed them will be in uproar about this, but keep in mind the thousands of people who dunno what this even entails, nevertheless care about it.
Think beyond yourselves, guys. :X
EDIT: I wish to emphasise that I did watch F Slasher occassionally, and did enjoy the casual yet informative atmosphere, and above all, interaction with fans. So, no, it's not a haters gonna hate case, but sometimes all of us need to zoom out. Peace xoxo
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On December 20 2011 06:07 Duravi wrote:
The fact that one of their own employees leaked all this info and they haven't made any statement makes them look incompetent.
Err I guess every company that's ever done layoffs that made the news is incompetent then since it's almost ALWAYS leaked to the media by an employee before the company makes an official statement. But hey, go on believing what you want.
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Final shows going live in just a few minutes
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Final shows going live in just a few minutes
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On December 21 2011 05:58 smallerk wrote:
SoTG is a "MLG show" now? what a fucking joke
how long have you been living under that rock?
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Companies have layoffs for several reasons, and many rebound later. I won't cite examples because it's such a common occurrence that I would say it's commonplace. However, that said, generally companies that are not yet profitable perform layoffs for one of three reasons:
1) To preserve cash - If you're not profitable or barely profitable, the amount of cash you have equates very directly to how long you can keep the doors open. It's just a math problem. Could be MLG is just stocking up for the slow season and will hire many of them back once they get closer to the 2012 season
2) To be more cash positive for Investors - Companies, particularly new ones, do this all the time to increase shareholder equity either just before a new round of investments, or before they are about to be acquired. I'm not saying MLG is getting a new round of VC or is being acquired, I'm just stating this is one of the reasons why companies have layoffs. Layoffs at the end of the year make balance sheets look good because it gives a temporary boost to perceived cash position going into the next fiscal year.
3) Business Re-organization - For many startups, they hire as fast as they can for critical positions, and later come back and revisit who is working out and who isn't. Since layoffs are easier than firings (and less likely to result in wrongful termination suits), many companies take their lowest performing employees and do a round of layoffs. It makes them look good to their shareholders, it cleans out the low-performers and saves some short term cash until those positions need to be refilled, hopefully by better-performing personnel.
About the only thing that's certain about a layoff is that it means that MLG is not making money hand over fist right now, but that shouldn't really be news to anybody as the entire eSports industry is in its infancy and no organization except perhaps GSL is really raking in the profits right now.
So I wish those who recently departed MLG a speedy re-entry into the workforce, and the rest of you Happy Holidays.
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That's too bad about F!^%& Slasher it was the most professional show in e-sports. Slasher actually researched and asked the right questions, unlike a lot of others who seem to just wing it.
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On December 20 2011 17:05 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 16:44 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:43 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:35 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:16 dreamsmasher wrote:On December 20 2011 16:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 16:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 20 2011 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 20 2011 15:43 dreamsmasher wrote:
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why not. there is a pretty good balance of opinion on sotg tbh.
Why are you comparing sotg to fuck slasher? They arent geared toward the same thing. Fuck slasher is more news focused while sotg is more game focused. SotG doesnt discuss the game anymore. Where have you been? They cover the news and upcoming tournaments. The closest thing that they ever get to discussing the game is Brood War. I said game, not game play. They talk tournaments and thats pretty much it. They talk news when its a huge story, but thats it. Fuck slasher and sotg are very different shows. And sure plenty of people can do it, but they dont and they dont have the appeal of slasher. Like it or not, he is a polarizing character that people like to watch. And he actually comes at it from a journalistic standpoint, something that is badly needed in the community. Personally i would love to see slasher go indie like chobopeon so his hands arent tied at all, but i understand that doesnt pay the bills like MLG does. well numbers prove you're wrong considering if he had the numbers to back his show, then he wouldn't be getting canceled right? not sure this 'appeal' comes from either. he doesn't offer any good insight, not really any good questions, is kind of awkward, and isn't even all that visually appealing (no homo). again why is he relevant. oh yea '10 years experience in the esports scene'. You realize your opinion of him isnt the opinion of everyone right? Why does Bill Simmons have appeal? Slasher does offer vreat insight because he often has the scoop on news stories in esports. Stop looking at this as an analytical thing and look at it as a journalistical standpoint. can't take your post seriously with the word journalistical in it. can't ignore that irony. JOURNALISTICAL STANDPOINT guys. rebecca black made a lot of money via itunes, mw3 sold more copies than sc2 + hos + heart of the void probably wll sell together doesn't mean any of the aforementioned subjects are any good at their respective fields. in fact they're pretty trash. And attacking a typo, running out of arguments? And once again, just because you think something is trash doesnt make it trash. You said slasher had no appeal when he clearly does, and so does cod. a typo is when you misspell a word, you genuinely thought that journalistical was a word. So not only do you represent the opinion of everyone in the community, you also know what i meant to post. Clearly i didnt mean journalistic, because its not like i said it earlier in this thread. Im sorry i work 50-60 hours a week and get tired. Slasher would get more views than most pros. He shouldnt because more emphasis needs to be on the players but thats another topic. And once again you are assuming the show got canceled due to lack of viewership. We dont know this. We do know mlg will be putting out more gaming content next year taking up their resources and broadcast time. And slasher already made it on his own. Its why he is popular today. Do you think he only has a following because he works for mlg?
journalistic is a word journalistical isn't. your continued bungling just further proves my point.
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Hmm, maybe this belongs in the simple questions/simple answers thread, but I think it's relevant here too...
What's Fuck Slasher about? And where can I watch the episodes? The name intrigues me
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It doesn't bother me as long as State of the Game doesn't get cancelled. I feel like MLG having all of these shows kind of helps to show whether or not MLG is television worthy, though. Cancelling them is an interesting move.
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sad to see those go, but at least sotg stays.
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I don't really understand this move by MLG, but I am glad to see that State of the game is staying.
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Why is everyone worried about SOTG, it was a fine show before mlg and it didn't change in any way since it is on MLG. Only reason it is on mlg is because of jp
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This is strange. I'm curious why all the cuts (this and the recent layoffs)
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Pretty interesting so much hunting for viewers and then its suddenly too much.. As much as everyone - SOTG still in bussiness means im a happy zealot
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Well this is unfortunate news. Going to miss 'Fuck Slasher' and 'SC Report', but we'll have to see what MLG is going to do from here. Seems odd that they just finished putting all this work into their new studios/shows and then cancel them all a few months later, but I'm sure they know what they're doing. Also, best of luck to Chobopeon. Love your shit dude, keep on keeping on.
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Well I have to say I hate it for the hosts and the teams that produce those shows. I can't blame MLG for trying to trim fat and optimizing revenue, but it does suck for these people who have put a lot of hard work into their content. I think it just continues to show the fact that is extremely hard to generate traffic and revenue from a journalistic e-sports platform.
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IMO this is retarded, MLG really needs to put money in the right spots if they are removing these shows. They are the lowest prize pool of the main tournaments and get the best competition of any foreign tournament. Hopefully this is just a cut so they can add a bigger prize pool, or some other cool stuff. I am still disappointed though.
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so sad to see fuck slasher bite the dust ; ;
was a good show
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The saddest part was that I was hoping for Sotg would become independent. MLG has ruined the show and they never talk about any good events but MLG. At this rate I'll proboably stop watching it.
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On December 21 2011 10:47 Robinsa wrote:
The saddest part was that I was hoping for Sotg would become independent. MLG has ruined the show and they never talk about any good events but MLG. At this rate I'll proboably stop watching it.
What are you talking about they cover all the major events...
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Is there an obvious, elaborate and stated reason for this? cause i don't seem to find it anywhere..
Usually when something like this is announced, a reason accompanies the announcement.
Edit: im kind off "demanding" a reason for this.. If shows in traditional sports or on standart tv are cancelled, a reason is given as well...
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On December 20 2011 09:31 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:19 Mr Showtime wrote:On December 20 2011 09:14 CeriseCherries wrote:On December 20 2011 09:10 Mr Showtime wrote:On December 20 2011 09:05 Mohdoo wrote:
I think that if MLG cancelled SOTG, EG would pounce on it. Don't worry guys. Yes and no. Someone would try to take it over, but that would mean JP is out. None of the other regulars have the time to make the show notes every week. Without JP, there is no show, and even if someone else fills that role, viewer numbers go way down. There are few prominent community figures that have the position where they can host that show regularly. Why would JP be out o.o SotG didn't always affiliate with MLG and JP still ran it back then He works for MLG. If EG or TL picked up the show, MLG would not let him host it. Not as a malicious act. I'm sure the everyone at EG and TL are very friendly with everyone at MLG, but it's business. An MLG employee can't host an EG or TL show. But an EG or TL employee can host an MLG show? We've been through this already when Incontrol briefly left and it wouldn't make sense for them to open this can of worms again after they showed that they can make this work.
Tyler, incontrol, and idra aren't hosts. They are always on the show, but SotG is really JP's show. MLG would never allow JP to be the head of a show that is operated by EG/TL, and vise versa. Not out of hate. It's just business.
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This sucks I loved that shit..
I mean the drama that came out of fuck slasher for example felt to me like it really, in an odd way, contributed a lot of intresting material to the scene!
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People love hating on Slasher. So much drama developed out of things he and his guests would say on his show. Will miss the conflict and his crass, blunt but poignant commentary on his show!
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They can run their shows without the support of mlg too. Even better.
I really didn't like that every show was backed by MLG, it'll be better this way.
Maybe it has something to do with people wanting more unbiased shows.
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Did not watched it anyways.
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MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
Either way, I'd appreciate more transparency, because currently MLG just looks like it's either in financial troubles, or indecisive.
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On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
They released a brief announcement saying they'd be adding new shows in the new year, and it sounded like they were talking about a different kind of content.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
You're nuts, the guys on MLG's shows didn't even agree about that.
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On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
Either way, I'd appreciate more transparency, because currently MLG just looks like it's either in financial troubles, or indecisive.
MLG have been in financial trouble for years, and Sundance was very clear on the vvvv show that it is time for MLG to make money. He said that they would cut stuff that didn't fit in or made economic sence.
They are just making the business work, the time of investment is over.
Sundance became CEO for just this reason. he didn't step back in for just the fun of it.
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SOTG isn't touched. Good.
I was almost crying. Almost.
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On December 21 2011 20:05 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move. They released a brief announcement saying they'd be adding new shows in the new year, and it sounded like they were talking about a different kind of content. Show nested quote +Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue. You're nuts, the guys on MLG's shows didn't even agree about that.
I said "who knows, maybe". I don't particularly believe that theory, but it's certainly not completely implausible. Chobopeon's statement in fact mentioned "independent journalism". And certainly whatever they said on MLG shows would have been MLG-approved opinions.
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On December 21 2011 20:07 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
Either way, I'd appreciate more transparency, because currently MLG just looks like it's either in financial troubles, or indecisive. MLG have been in financial trouble for years, and Sundance was very clear on the vvvv show that it is time for MLG to make money. He said that they would cut stuff that didn't fit in or made economic sence.
Considering how huge 2011 was for them, how could they possibly be in financial trouble? Or did all those satellite trucks and expensive casters and flying in Koreans end up going over their budget?
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On December 21 2011 20:22 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 20:07 Jiddra wrote:On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
Either way, I'd appreciate more transparency, because currently MLG just looks like it's either in financial troubles, or indecisive. MLG have been in financial trouble for years, and Sundance was very clear on the vvvv show that it is time for MLG to make money. He said that they would cut stuff that didn't fit in or made economic sence. Considering how huge 2011 was for them, how could they possibly be in financial trouble? Or did all those satellite trucks and expensive casters and flying in Koreans end up going over their budget?
Growth is not equal to profit. Expanding a business is mostly a costly affair.
MLG raised several million dollars from investors, mostly from the owners own companys. With this capital they could expand during 2011, but now they must make this growth help them making a profit that will make their owners happy.
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On December 21 2011 20:20 yeint wrote:
And certainly whatever they said on MLG shows would have been MLG-approved opinions.
But... They were saying opposite things! Slasher took the position that Naniwa screwed up and deserved negative attention while JP and the SOTG guys defended him. Anyway, I'd say the odds that Slasher was running his opinions past anyone for approval was just about zero -- nothing has ever stopped him from ranting. The only things he's held back that I've seen are MLG insider info.
MLG is a small organization -- riding herd on every opinion stated on every show just isn't going to happen, even if they wanted to try.
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On December 21 2011 05:27 Slasher wrote:
Whats wrong with open phones?
I despise open phones almost as much as I do the general public. It ruins every single show I've ever listened to, especially on the internet where it seems no-one screens the calls to see whether the caller has anything interesting to say or has a retarded drawl of a voice where they seem to struggle with words over three syllables. So not only do you get bad questions but they're asked by some retard who spends half the time trying to interject. I don't watch SOTG/ITG/LO3/F Slasher to hear the opinions of some nobody who's normally wrong or trying to fan fires, I'm there to hear the opinions of those that have a foot with-in the subject you're talking about.
These same things apply to all radio. Especially Sports Talk shows. Jesus Christ the people who call in to those are so fucking retarded it makes me turn off. (On the nerdy talk shows such as your own I just mute until someone starts talking again.
I'm not utterly against E-Mails because it's a finite piece that can be read before hand to see if it's interesting, edited down so it doesn't ramble and is read aloud by someone who doesn't sound like Buffalo fucking Bill.
The only place Open Phones is apt is Conservative Talk Radio due to them both the Caller and the Host being as retarded as each other.
edit: Shoutout to Goatlust though, only one who makes it work.
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From what I can tell about Sundance and the future of MLG (for example, meeting with TV executives), MLG is probably going to move to a higher production standard and business model.
What I'd assume is MLG moving from a large number of independent shows to one "SportsCenter" type broadcast with all of our favorite personalities.
This model increases simultaneous viewership by condensing viewers of different segments into one easy-to-watch broadcast. This eSportsCenter would be on at the same time every day, thus making it easy for viewers to schedule a watching session. The American entertainment market has already proven this model to be successful on a TV scale, and Day[9] has proven it on an internet scale.
The condensed broadcast would contain segments from community favorite personalities into one timeslot, and cut down on spending by MLG.
This decision has nothing to do with NaNiwa- in fact, rivalry and debate make for excellent news!
This is almost assuredly a business decision to formulate a more profitable business model- either by improving ad revenue, or cutting down on spending by consolidation. Expect new membership models in 2012 as well, providing say, VoDs of the new programming or higher definition, or something.
Frankly, I'd pay up to about $25 a month for my various eSports subscriptions, just to support the industry until we get a nice eESPN channel on cable
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Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage.
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On December 22 2011 02:26 wizshaw2 wrote:
Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage.
Sc Report and F Slasher had like 8-10 production people working all day for it. Sotg costs 0 dollars to make
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See? Everything is okay SOTG lives on. Now clean your underwear ^^.
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Well I've tried to watch SOTG several times, but it's always so freaking strange. Everyone's calling everyone dumb, making themselves look so silly. Even if they're joking the mood is so so dead. 0 charisma from everyone on the show. And when Incontrol tried to light the atmosphere a bit he was immediately called dumb by 3 others. Also Artosis lost me as a fan after I saw his performance there. I guess I ask a bit too much out of an unscripted show discussing about how dumb Incontrol is.
TLDR: SOTG lacks spontaneity and thus they end up making childish/awkward remarks to each other.
No offense to anyone on the show, Incontrol is great, I love everyone as a player/caster, but that "talk-show" just isn't my cup of tea. I'll give it another try whenever I get up earlier and hopefully everyone was just tired in those 2-3 episodes I watched.
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On December 22 2011 02:26 wizshaw2 wrote:
Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage.
Well we can obviously see your bias. His show was actually at 2.5k for its last several shows.
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I like both FSlasher and SOTG (as well as both their hosts), but I've always been perplexed by how the community can't get someone with energy to host these things. Slasher and JP have such a drowsy delivery, allow for a lot of awkward dead air, and generally don't seem enthused. They are smart people but just don't have the personalities to carry these types of shows. iNcontroL or someone with more personality should be doing this. Nobody tunes in to these shows to watch Slasher or JP, they do it because they are die-hard gamers. Lets get some charismatic hosts who can make a show that the uninitiated would find entertaining.
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Phew Sotg is my favorite. However that's a real shame losing two great shows like that, they are for me my SC version of SC and First Take, My ESPN you know? :<
Well the closing of things with MLG hopefully can turn into new beginnings for everyone involved. <3
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If Slasher's determined he can still do the show solo.
That said, from a business perspective I think it's a good idea for MLG to become more "lean and mean." The scene is becoming so oversaturated with second-rate content it's becoming a bit nauseating.
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On December 22 2011 06:27 Ghostface_Killa wrote:
The scene is becoming so oversaturated with second-rate content it's becoming a bit nauseating.
Afaik, F Slasher was the only show of it's kind. I don't think there's any other daily show that covers e-sports and brings on some pretty big named players. Also, how is the scene being oversaturated a bad thing. Shouldn't that be a good thing as we are still a pretty small scene so until we get to the point where we can manage without every single viewer we get, it should be a good thing.
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wow these shows are awesome they are being kinda lame
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I actually really liked both of those shows. But I wasn't part of the "tune in live" audience. For me, the MLG shows were a very good " something to put on while i'm cooking dinner" sorta thing.
Hope these shows return in some format!
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On December 22 2011 02:34 pileopoop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 02:26 wizshaw2 wrote:
Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage. Sc Report and F Slasher had like 8-10 production people working all day for it. Sotg costs 0 dollars to make
Your point? Still sucked.
On December 22 2011 03:26 gregnog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 02:26 wizshaw2 wrote:
Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage. Well we can obviously see your bias. His show was actually at 2.5k for its last several shows.
My bias? Show sucked man. Sounded like I was listening to a radio station on grand theft auto 4.
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I like this. I don't think it's really MLG's place to host these shows.
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I really liked !@#$% Slash He's a good host and I hope he does start up another show of some type; maybe not MLG affiliated.
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On December 22 2011 09:31 wizshaw2 wrote:
My bias? Show sucked man. Sounded like I was listening to a radio station on grand theft auto 4.
A lot of people on this thread obviously liked it. Who are you to say "it sucked" ? You know, everything you don't like doesn't necessarily suck.
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dislike slasher never seen the SC report, don't really care entiehr of these things affect SC2 as a whole........ better not touch SOTG
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@Caydussc chobo left because he wanted to go back to indie and F-slasher didn't get enough viewers to make sense. Sad but true.
New tweet from Sunny D. Pretty much sums up what I already thought about the sitatuation. Shame really F Slasher was a really good idea and show. I loved some of the interviews he did with players and people.
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On December 23 2011 06:51 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +@Caydussc chobo left because he wanted to go back to indie and F-slasher didn't get enough viewers to make sense. Sad but true.
New tweet from Sunny D. Pretty much sums up what I already thought about the sitatuation. Shame really F Slasher was a really good idea and show. I loved some of the interviews he did with players and people.
Straight from the horse's mouth.
Slasher's poor ratings are killing Esports.
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I had just started getting into Fuck Slasher so I'm sad they cancelled it. =(
SC Report just can't seem to find a home unfortunately. First JP and Chobopeon were doing it on youtube, then it went on hiatus and came back as an MLG program, now it's gone again. I personally like having it around so I can keep up with the scene when I'm busy.
At least State of the Game is still on! They'd be fools to cancel that.
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Wow this comes as quite a surprise actually, I didn't expect so many of MLG's show to close down, this is a total shocker for me personally, but let them about their own decisions. IMO there will always come new shows who will be just as popular as the old ones and as Sundance has said, It's time to focus.
Looking forward to another year with the greatest game in the world
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Fuck slasher would of been great without slasher. They got a lot of interesting people to interview and then slasher would ask bad questions and interject their answers with his own. Sometimes i got the feeling he wasn't even paying attention, the person being interviewed would spend 3 or 4 minutes giving a good in-depth answer and after they would finish slasher would ask them a question that they had already covered in their answer.
There have been times when I've seen slasher ask a great probing question or a controversial one which other interviewers avoid asking but this is the minority, not the majority of the time. It's a shame to criticise him because he puts out a lot of content for the community and he has some good qualities which could make a really important part of the community. Unfortunately too often than not he can't support his controversial opinions with a reasonable argument and he get's caught between being edgy and being safe in interviews.
It's not any of my business but i get the feeling Slasher would be better off going independent where he wouldn't have to worry about representing a large organisation (even though MLG do seem relatively laid back). I'm not entirely sure what he does for MLG now that he's not hosting fuck slasher and JPs a much better liaison between MLG and the SC2 community.
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On December 20 2011 07:01 Velr wrote:
We all secretly know that we need more "ultimate gaming house" and less "journalism" :p
I won the damn thing and I slightly disagree with you. I feel that journalism is important to the scene. Our entire community is entirely internet based. Anyone can write anything they want about anything. I think we need actual journalists to add legitimacy to the scene.
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Fuck Slasher was alright, even if some days the show was pretty weak. I know Slasher gets a lot of guff, but he asks a lot of good questions to his guests.
I watched it a lot while at work. Shame to just see content disappear.
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I feel think this was a very smart decision by MLG.
When I started reading this thread, I was baffled by how many people said they would miss Slasher. But then again I was always baffled when he went over 1k on his stream which was always I checked.
So these shows have something that people like, but I feel at least slasher was very polarizing, and the negative reactions tend to be very very negative. I guess many people are accustomed to the cerebral approach to Starcraft and don't 'get' what Slasher is about, I know I didn't. These shows were a lot more MLG than SotG can ever be, its awesome but you can't edit these people, they are not your employees. And Slasher just reflects very poorly on MLG to just some of the people (maybe alot).
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I wonder if they're downsizing these avenues so they can invest in others... I'm excited to see what MLG gives us in return for cutting out these shows.
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At least we still have State of the Game. I would cry so many tears if that were to go away
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Fuck Slasher was the most badass show out there.
SOTG is pretty untouchtable, incontrol + artosis = 100$ humor show on broadway
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I liked Fuck Slasher too. As a weekly show, I might have watched every episode.
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maybe not many people are that interested in 267746 shows about sc2? State of Game and the like will be ok
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not sure why they would get rid of them they could have just toned them down and put less money towards them.
Anyways.. merry christmas TL!
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On December 24 2011 01:46 TheLOLas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:01 Velr wrote:
We all secretly know that we need more "ultimate gaming house" and less "journalism" :p I won the damn thing and I slightly disagree with you. I feel that journalism is important to the scene. Our entire community is entirely internet based. Anyone can write anything they want about anything. I think we need actual journalists to add legitimacy to the scene.
I think he was being sarcastic xD
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thats a shame, I loved these shows, oh well cant wait to see the new doors that will open!!!
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that is kind of unfortunate what has happened. I will miss the shows... hopefully they will come back in the future?
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well, this slasher guy is just attention whore, nobody cares...
User was warned for this post
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Hmm I wonder what the new doors will be?
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!@#$ Slasher was so darn good, can't believe that the show is ending.
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sundance is either a genius or a fool, I guess that's how it generally goes though.
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Its sad to see the shows the go, but SOTG LIVES ON!
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it´s not a april - so I don´t get the joke
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