On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, there's nothing unfair about it. It stands to reason that someone trying to practice and perfect two races is going to be weaker than someone who practices one. This is why random players never make it far.
It's not as if him switching races has led to him dominating the foreign scene or anything, it just gives him a slight preparation edge.
I agree that it isn't "unfair," but if tournaments are going to allow it, they need to have some procedure for what happens if two players who pick race based on opponents race play each other.
Someone of the two has to pick their race first. Perhaps flip a coin game 1, and the winner picks race first the next game?
On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, there's nothing unfair about it. It stands to reason that someone trying to practice and perfect two races is going to be weaker than someone who practices one. This is why random players never make it far.
It's not as if him switching races has led to him dominating the foreign scene or anything, it just gives him a slight preparation edge.
I agree that it isn't "unfair," but if tournaments are going to allow it, they need to have some procedure for what happens if two players who pick race based on opponents race play each other.
Someone of the two has to pick their race first. Perhaps flip a coin game 1, and the winner picks race first the next game?
I'm still curious as to whether or not it'll even be allowed, though. I know character switching is banned from most major SF4/Third Strike/Tekken etc tournaments; not exactly the same thing, but it's plausible that GOM has a similar rule.
Group A 19th December EGHuK (P) SlayerSAlicia (P) oGsNaDa (T) MVPMonster (Z) FXOLucky (Z)
Alicia hasn't been doing incredibly well lately, though he may take a game off Huk, only because he's been struggling at PvP. Huk should be able to beat everyone but Lucky. Lucky should beat everyone.
Group B 20th December SlayerSRyung (T) MouzMorroW (Z/T) StarTaleBomber (T) Killer (P) NSHoSeoTassadar (P) FXOGuMiHo (T)
Tassadar is a beast as he's shown. Ryung has fallen off in matchups that aren't TvT, so he could still make it, but overall I think Gumiho is the better player of the rest of them.
Group C 21st December TSLPolt (T) oGsInCa (P) IMLosira (Z) StarTaleVirus (T) LiquidZenio (Z)
Polt has shown what he's made of in the Blizzard cup. Inca doesn't have any Protoss to beat, and Losira is just better than Virus and Zenio.
Group D 22nd December SlayerS'Boxer' (T) SlayerSTaeja (T) FXOasd (T) MVPGenius (P) StarTaleSquirtle (P) oGsCezanne (Z)
Taeja should be an obvious pick, and Squirtle is just my fan boy pick.
Group E 23rd December SlayerSClide (T) SlayerSYuGiOh (Z) LiquidHerO (P) StarTaleJuly (Z) JYP (P) oGsLuvsic (Z
If Hero can get over nerves, he has 3 Zergs so he has a good chance. This might be the hardest group to predict though.
On December 16 2011 03:26 SeaSwift wrote: Given how harsh GOM has been on players doing slightly dodgy things, and the Korean attitude in general, I doubt MorroW will be allowed to play T & Z.
It's not dodgy if his opponents know beforehand what race they will be expecting...Zergs should expect Terran when playing Morrow, other races should expect Zerg. As long as there's no element of surprise, there's no "real" advantage. It would be a problem if he suddenly played ZvZ when his opponents expected Terran as a Zerg.
There are a lot of strong players coming up this season. My bets for winners: A.Huk and NaDa; B. Bomber and Killer; C.Polt and LosirA; D.Boxer and Taeja; E.Clide and July
Every code s, huk manages to get an easy group. Really don't know how he does it. Guy has major luck with groups. Hopefully, Nada and Lucky come out of that group.
I don't really see how you can say any of these groups are particularly harder or easier, every single player in these groups is capable (except morrow imho) of going to Code S. It simply depends on who is having a good day and who is off.
Group D is certainly not "easy" by any means, 2 SlayerS terran, asd (vastly underrated), and a veteran code S toss in Genius........and even if Cezanne and Squirtle aren't top tier pros, they have put up good results recently. I would assume two terrans will come out of this group, but certainly Genius could make a run.
Group B is (at least in my opinion) actually the easiest. Bomber and Ryung have been struggling recently (Bomber has looked abysmal), Morrow is simply not a code S quality player, and Tassadar has never particularly impressed me since his initial Code A run (I could definitely be way off on him though too). Killer (if he's on) will absolutely mop the floor with this group. Gumiho is scary too, the whole former fOu team has just improved so much since becoming FXO, and don't forget he gets to practice with Leenock/Oz so you know he's going to come in playing well.
I would say Group A would be between Huk/Nada/Lucky, with Huk being the most likely to advance. Difficult to make any in-depth predictions here because Alicia and Lucky are streaky while Nada has struggled (but hes still Nada so........)
Group C pretty much comes down to if Polt comes to play and who wins between Virus/Losira. Zenio has not been Code S caliber for....well he's on Liquid I won't say anything bad Inca won't make it out barring him having some amazing day (or everyone in his group deciding to switch to P?) Expect Polt to come out, and don't be surprised if Virus makes it two terrans coming out of this group.
Group E is a bloodbath. I would expect the 3 Z's to struggle in this group (luvsic is a generally unknown quantity to me, July has not evolved with the other Code S pros, and YuGiOh is just......well, at least we get to hear 25 more trap card jokes...) Clide is obviously one of the best players on the planet and one of the most consistently high placers in GSL, I would be surprised if he doesn't make it out. Hero and JYP are the wildcards in this group. When Hero is on, he's very very difficult to take down (he's one of these Protoss that just gets how to tech without dying, get his deathball out, and then use it to maximum effect) JYP on the other hand has probably top 3 micro in the world among P, and is an absolute boss PvP (though Hero is too). This group is the hardest to predict by far imo, should be really interesting.
On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, there's nothing unfair about it. It stands to reason that someone trying to practice and perfect two races is going to be weaker than someone who practices one. This is why random players never make it far.
It's not as if him switching races has led to him dominating the foreign scene or anything, it just gives him a slight preparation edge.
I agree that it isn't "unfair," but if tournaments are going to allow it, they need to have some procedure for what happens if two players who pick race based on opponents race play each other.
Someone of the two has to pick their race first. Perhaps flip a coin game 1, and the winner picks race first the next game?
The way MLG does it (though I'm not sure if that situation ever came up) is that the lowest seeded player has to pick his or her race first if the two player cannot come to an agreement, and IIRC its a coin-flip if they are ranked equally. I would imagine that GOM would be able to have a similar rule.
I have no problem with race picking at all personally. If everyone is allowed to do it then its just part of the game and as a player you have to deal with it.
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Hopefully, Nada and Lucky come out of that group.
