The GOM website lists the event as 2012 GSL Season 1 Up&Down Match Group A .
Message from MorroW:
On December 15 2011 18:57 MorroW wrote: gsl wanted me to play this season so i just said yes without anymore to it. i will do everything i can to prepare for this group and im very happy i got the invite to up and down i think i got lucky in my group because there is no zerg in it which is my weakest matchup by statistics and personal opinion but its too bad my housemate tassadar is in this group :/
anyhow i hope you cheer for me i will try show my absolute best games in long time
on a side-note, practice is going great. im learning so much
Edit: added dates, liquipedia link, MorroW message, added some polls
On December 15 2011 16:51 Itsmedudeman wrote: No easy groups really.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I guess that's the state of the GSL these days, especially with all the people coming in from the expanded Code A and more Code S players dropping down.
I'm excited though, there's so much on the line with these Up and Downs now. I think they may bring some of the best matches yet.
On December 15 2011 17:01 Packawana wrote: So is MorroW replacing CoCa for Up/Downs? Is that why there are still two foreigner seeds?
As far as I know yes. I think he was originally going to just be in Code A, but I suppose GOM figured it would be dumb to give everyone a free win in place of Coca so they opened another slot.
These are gonna be CRAZY long days if they actually have to play through all 15 matches.
Yikes, don't really know how to call these groups. Huk looks to have good odds of taking top 2 in his group, and he should have had enough time to unwind from the traveling and prepare. Still, the groups are all pretty balanced.
Edit: Heart says Huk/Lucky (Huk/Demuslim if that is the ???) Morrow/Killer Zenio/Losira Boxer/Cezanne Hero/Clide
On December 15 2011 17:01 Packawana wrote: So is MorroW replacing CoCa for Up/Downs? Is that why there are still two foreigner seeds?
Looks like it, according to the schedule there's still 2 uncomplete groups, which would only mean 2 more seeds.
Wasn't it originally announced that Idra, Demuslim and Huk would all be competing in the up-and-down matches, but IdrA got bumped up to Code S seed. So that leaves any ready to play foreigner to be invited, I'm thinking Tod or Sase again.
Group A looks the easiest. Huk has a good chance. Alicia is meh, nada has been down, Monster is meh, lucky is decent although nani says he has some of the best zvp
I'm not sure i like Morrow playing in the up & down matches, he needs more time in Korea, it's going to be the same story all over again like with Sase and Naniwa. It's not fair to the Koreans trying to qualify and it's not fair to MorroW either, the kid´s got skill but he needs time and i think he can make it through the Code A qualifiers in the future.
MorroW plays ZvT, ZvP, but swaps for TvZ (says he hates ZvZ). Are there rules in the GSL that prevent race swapping like that? I know you can't in the middle of, say, a best of 3 swap races half way through (MLG has the blind race pick where you pick your race without knowing what your opponent is picking), but is there some rule saying he has to like declare himself a race and has to only play that race?
In light of recent events, I could see GOM/GSL having a rule for that, or using a rule/line they already have and say it falls under the same thing.
On December 15 2011 17:18 lavit2099 wrote: MorroW plays ZvT, ZvP, but swaps for TvZ (says he hates ZvZ). Are there rules in the GSL that prevent race swapping like that? I know you can't in the middle of, say, a best of 3 swap races half way through (MLG has the blind race pick where you pick your race without knowing what your opponent is picking), but is there some rule saying he has to like declare himself a race and has to only play that race?
In light of recent events, I could see GOM/GSL having a rule for that, or using a rule/line they already have and say it falls under the same thing.
Morrow can do zvt/zvp/tvz. It has been confirmed already by him.
On December 15 2011 17:18 lavit2099 wrote: MorroW plays ZvT, ZvP, but swaps for TvZ (says he hates ZvZ). Are there rules in the GSL that prevent race swapping like that? I know you can't in the middle of, say, a best of 3 swap races half way through (MLG has the blind race pick where you pick your race without knowing what your opponent is picking), but is there some rule saying he has to like declare himself a race and has to only play that race?
In light of recent events, I could see GOM/GSL having a rule for that, or using a rule/line they already have and say it falls under the same thing.
It's already been announced he will play terran against zergs. Not sure exactly what the conditions are though but I doubt he can change his race on a whim in the middle of a series.
With that in mind I think he got as good of a group he could ever hope for. Not sure what shape he's in though.
On December 15 2011 17:18 lavit2099 wrote: MorroW plays ZvT, ZvP, but swaps for TvZ (says he hates ZvZ). Are there rules in the GSL that prevent race swapping like that? I know you can't in the middle of, say, a best of 3 swap races half way through (MLG has the blind race pick where you pick your race without knowing what your opponent is picking), but is there some rule saying he has to like declare himself a race and has to only play that race?
In light of recent events, I could see GOM/GSL having a rule for that, or using a rule/line they already have and say it falls under the same thing.
It's already been announced he will play terran against zergs. Not sure exactly what the conditions are though but I doubt he can change his race on a whim in the middle of a series.
With that in mind I think he got as good of a group he could ever hope for. Not sure what shape he's in though.
Yeah this whole rule allowing changing race based on matchup is weird.
Just because if two people who did that met up... how would they decide races?
I've watched a number of online tournys with MorroW and know that he swaps from Z to T when facing Z. Just didn't know if GOM/GSL would permit that. Seems like something they would put a kibosh on.
Im happy to see such hard groups because it means the level is getting higher and higher. I cant pick a group of death cause every group seems to be one.
glgl all go morrow zenio, hero, huk, nada, losira, luvsic, july, jyp, boxer, tassadar, killer, gumiho!
I'm kinda "meuh ?" for DeMusliM or even ToD : I don't think they have the level to compete against well trained Code A/S. I definitely think Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa are better but none of them have made through the code A.
I really would like to see White-Ra in seed. It's sound silly but watching "Korea vs the rest of the world" and the "SuperTournament" show that he has the potential to qualify for code S and his playstyle is so unique.
Anyway, up&down will be fun to watch and I hope with lot of surprising results.
On December 15 2011 17:25 FluoCrazyKenny wrote: No easy group.
I'm kinda "meuh ?" for DeMusliM or even ToD : I don't think they have the level to compete against well trained Code A/S. I definitely think Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa are better but none of them have made through the code A.
I really would like to see White-Ra in seed. It's sound silly but watching "Korea vs the rest of the world" and the "SuperTournament" show that he has the potential to qualify for code S and his playstyle is so unique.
Anyway, up&down will be fun to watch and I hope with lot of surprising results.
On December 15 2011 17:21 RPR_Tempest wrote: ...MorroW's actually got an insanely good shot at Code S.
I don't know, I think his group is really strong... SlayerSRyung - vZ: 16-12 (57.14%) StarTaleBomber- vZ: 17-8 (68.00%) Killer - vZ: 20-17 (54.05%) NSHoSeoTassadar - vZ: 20-20 (50.00%) FXOGuMiHo - vZ: 22-10 (68.75%)
I mean Gumiho and Bomber are really strong T's. Ryung is up there as well. Killer and Tassadars vs Z are a bit meh, but Morrow needs to take down at least 3 preferably 4 of these guys.. so...
On December 15 2011 17:21 RPR_Tempest wrote: ...MorroW's actually got an insanely good shot at Code S.
I don't know, I think his group is really strong... SlayerSRyung - vZ: 16-12 (57.14%) StarTaleBomber- vZ: 17-8 (68.00%) Killer - vZ: 20-17 (54.05%) NSHoSeoTassadar - vZ: 20-20 (50.00%) FXOGuMiHo - vZ: 22-10 (68.75%)
I mean Gumiho and Bomber are really strong T's. Ryung is up there as well. Killer and Tassadars vs Z are a bit meh, but Morrow needs to take down at least 3 preferably 4 of these guys.. so...
MorroW's ZvP is BEASTLY. Killer and Tassadar are unimpressive against Zerg, so he can take them down.
Bomber's slumping at the moment and has never been impressive against Zerg, while MorroW is good against Terran. I'd favor MorroW against Bomber.
Ryung is decent vs Zerg and GuMiho is great vs Zerg. I think GuMiho will beat MorroW, Ryung possibly.
On December 15 2011 17:31 TheBB wrote: So there are still two open slots. One missing foreigner seed and one for CoCa (and the latter might not be filled).
MorroW is replacing CoCa. Well, that's the impression I got.
Morrow has a good shot against Ryung. He went down just fine against Sheth, and we haven't seen much of what Morrow can do lately. When he was more active, Morrow was definitely among the top three foreign Zergs. It's just that his WCG run was pretty... lame...
Who will be the 2 missing players? If there will invite some foreigners then i hope they will pick some good Protoss players like ToD, Sase, HasuObs, Socke or, my favourite, good ol' White-Ra
Cant decide, which group is the hardest... B or D?
Group C looks the most difficult. But i guess Morrow has a REALLY good shot at taking his group His ZvP looked amazing, he'll beat both protoss. He should be able to beat Ryung as well, easily imo. Ryung has never impressed me, and lately, he performed bad. Gumiho is gonna be tricky, as he has a nasty Mech style and abusive cheesy builds.
I actually like Monster and Lucky to do well in Group A. Huk has a shot of course, but I don't know what to expect from Nada at all. Has he been treating the break as a vacation, or using the time off to prepare for these matches?
On December 15 2011 17:21 RPR_Tempest wrote: ...MorroW's actually got an insanely good shot at Code S.
I don't know, I think his group is really strong... SlayerSRyung - vZ: 16-12 (57.14%) StarTaleBomber- vZ: 17-8 (68.00%) Killer - vZ: 20-17 (54.05%) NSHoSeoTassadar - vZ: 20-20 (50.00%) FXOGuMiHo - vZ: 22-10 (68.75%)
I mean Gumiho and Bomber are really strong T's. Ryung is up there as well. Killer and Tassadars vs Z are a bit meh, but Morrow needs to take down at least 3 preferably 4 of these guys.. so...
MorroW's ZvP is BEASTLY. Killer and Tassadar are unimpressive against Zerg, so he can take them down.
Bomber's slumping at the moment and has never been impressive against Zerg, while MorroW is good against Terran. I'd favor MorroW against Bomber.
Ryung is decent vs Zerg and GuMiho is great vs Zerg. I think GuMiho will beat MorroW, Ryung possibly.
Ryung is not much of a threat in TvZ at all. He's done quite poorly against zergs since 1.4.0, losing to relatively ordinary zergs. with regularity. Gumiho is super inconsistent, sometimes looking like he belongs in code S and sometimes like he belongs in code B. Let's hope he plays like the latter when he's up against Morrow. I think Tassadar is more dangerous than you give him credit for. He's so cheesy you just know he'll bust out something devious against Morrow.
On December 15 2011 17:35 CoolSea wrote: Any potential for meaningless matches here?
It is round-robin. So, unless they plan to cancel the bottom matches, yes, there will be matches that are meaningless for one or both players.
This situation has come up before in the up and down groups and also in the Team Ace Invitational. GOM simply skipped the matches if they didn't have any bearing on who advanced, so there won't be a repeat of the Naniwa controversy, so don't expect a repeat of the Naniwa controversy.
On December 15 2011 17:35 CoolSea wrote: Any potential for meaningless matches here?
It is round-robin. So, unless they plan to cancel the bottom matches, yes, there will be matches that are meaningless for one or both players.
GomTV has cancelled matches that were meaningless for both players in previous up&down tournaments with the round-robin format. I would expect them to do the same this time. But you never know...
you guys cant truly think Zenio is gonna be top 2 in that group...I understand hes with liquid but still, theres polt and losira with him. I heard ???? is good too.
gsl wanted me to play this season so i just said yes without anymore to it. i will do everything i can to prepare for this group and im very happy i got the invite to up and down i think i got lucky in my group because there is no zerg in it which is my weakest matchup by statistics and personal opinion but its too bad my housemate tassadar is in this group :/
anyhow i hope you cheer for me i will try show my absolute best games in long time
on a side-note, practice is going great. im learning so much
On December 15 2011 18:57 MorroW wrote: gsl wanted me to play this season so i just said yes without anymore to it. i will do everything i can to prepare for this group and im very happy i got the invite to up and down i think i got lucky in my group because there is no zerg in it which is my weakest matchup by statistics and personal opinion but its too bad my housemate tassadar is in this group :/
anyhow i hope you cheer for me i will try show my absolute best games in long time
on a side-note, practice is going great. im learning so much
On December 15 2011 18:57 MorroW wrote: gsl wanted me to play this season so i just said yes without anymore to it. i will do everything i can to prepare for this group and im very happy i got the invite to up and down i think i got lucky in my group because there is no zerg in it which is my weakest matchup by statistics and personal opinion but its too bad my housemate tassadar is in this group :/
anyhow i hope you cheer for me i will try show my absolute best games in long time
on a side-note, practice is going great. im learning so much
On December 15 2011 17:17 gruff wrote: I thought Morrow would wait until at least gsl january to play? So I guess this is instead of his Code A seed he talked about?
HerO should get trough his group, he has like 4 zergs, and his PvZ is insane, so yeah, MorroW is lucky he has no Zergs in the group and actually has a fairly good shot at going into Code S. I also hope BoxeR is going to smash his group
Lol all the groups suck. They're pretty stacked << Maybe Group D is the weakest group or the players in Group D I can't say I think will do super well.
Group A: Huk/Nada. Even though Nada has fallen off a bit, he is still code S material. Lucky did beat Nada though so he could probably do it. Huk needs to try his best though as none of them are weak. Group B: Bomber/Ryung. hard one sigh. Bomber for sure. He is really strong vT and vP. He is definitely still code S material. I want to give second one to Ryung if Ryung could take out Bomber and Gumiho and 1 game off any protoss but I am not sure if Ryung could win against protoss. Same goes for Gumiho. Killer, I am not sure if he can beat Tassadar. So I'll give it to Ryung. Group C: Losira/Polt. Cant see anyone taking Losira out. I'll give second Polt due to Zenio's somewhat bad vT. Group D: asd/Taeja. asd showed great match vP recently and he is great vT. Second I am torn between Taeja and Boxer. Taeja is an amazing player at any match up, but since it is best of 1, Boxer's creative build might win him the game. Group E: Hero/JYP. Sorry Clide but your best MU is vT and there isnt any terran in your group. Same goes for July and ZvZ. With that many zergs, I feel like Hero could take it if he gets over his nerves. JYP is really good vZ and he is lucky this group isnt terran heavy.
On December 15 2011 16:48 Namakaye wrote: The ??? means there should be a player in this group but they haven't been added yet, likely the foreign seeds although MorroW is already in (he may not be one of the foreigner seeds he may have just been selected cause GOM felt like it)
One of the ??? should have been Idra, I wonder who they'll find to replace him (I know it's not the new official version, but I hope I still have some credibility and you can trust me when I say this). I guess Sase as he's in Korea ?
On December 15 2011 16:57 theBALLS wrote: Boxer. Go. Code S. GSL. Go. Take the title.
If there's some twist of fate and Boxer is a code s player while bomber is not, I may have to go to Korea and slap bomber around until he comes back to his previous period of utter dominance.
On December 15 2011 18:57 MorroW wrote: gsl wanted me to play this season so i just said yes without anymore to it. i will do everything i can to prepare for this group and im very happy i got the invite to up and down i think i got lucky in my group because there is no zerg in it which is my weakest matchup by statistics and personal opinion but its too bad my housemate tassadar is in this group :/
anyhow i hope you cheer for me i will try show my absolute best games in long time
on a side-note, practice is going great. im learning so much
I'll be cheering so hard for you! You can do it :D
All the groups are sick. My predictions : A : NaDa and Lucky B : Bomber and Killer C : Polt and Losira D : Boxer and Taeja E : Clide and July (6 T - 3 Z - 1 P)
On December 15 2011 17:33 TheBB wrote: Morrow has a good shot against Ryung. He went down just fine against Sheth, and we haven't seen much of what Morrow can do lately. When he was more active, Morrow was definitely among the top three foreign Zergs. It's just that his WCG run was pretty... lame...
Group A: EGHuK, FXOLucky Group B: SlayerSRyung, FXOGuMiHo Group C: TSLPolt, LiquidZenio Group D: SlayerSTaeja, FXOasd Group E: JYP, LiquidHerO/Clide
My predictions, some of the groups are very hard to predict though. Speciually since i feel that players like Polt/Zenio/asd,Clide have really high tops but also really low bottoms when it comes to stability.
What? Group B the hardest? Hardest to pick a winner in I guess you could argue, but no way the hardest (IMO). Morrow isn't at the top level (even as a foreigner). Killer is good, Ryung and Bomber are very good but seemingly inconsistent. Of course all of them (sans Morrow) are very good players, but not amongst the best in the up & downs (in my opinion of course, and everybody will have different ones I am sure).
Group E seems way more stacked. Hero, Clide and JYP are probably better than everybody in that whole group (except maybe an in-form Bomber who is amazing). Yugioh is sick good, July is hard to play against and I know nothing of Luvsic (terrible name, so I assume he plays Protoss?).
EDIT: Should probably point out: All of the groups are stacked as hell, but B doesn't seem close to the toughest.
On December 15 2011 18:57 MorroW wrote: gsl wanted me to play this season so i just said yes without anymore to it. i will do everything i can to prepare for this group and im very happy i got the invite to up and down i think i got lucky in my group because there is no zerg in it which is my weakest matchup by statistics and personal opinion but its too bad my housemate tassadar is in this group :/
anyhow i hope you cheer for me i will try show my absolute best games in long time
on a side-note, practice is going great. im learning so much
another fan rootin for ya to make it through. gg and gl
Good groups, it's like top 2 advancing right? Well Huk and Boxer both have a decent chance at making that happen. I'm really curious to see the ? unveal.
On December 15 2011 21:04 althaz wrote: What? Group B the hardest? Hardest to pick a winner in I guess you could argue, but no way the hardest (IMO). Morrow isn't at the top level (even as a foreigner). Killer is good, Ryung and Bomber are very good but seemingly inconsistent. Of course all of them (sans Morrow) are very good players, but not amongst the best in the up & downs (in my opinion of course, and everybody will have different ones I am sure).
Group E seems way more stacked. Hero, Clide and JYP are probably better than everybody in that whole group (except maybe an in-form Bomber who is amazing). Yugioh is sick good, July is hard to play against and I know nothing of Luvsic (terrible name, so I assume he plays Protoss?).
EDIT: Should probably point out: All of the groups are stacked as hell, but B doesn't seem close to the toughest.
That's usually what the 'hardest' group or "Group of Death" refers to. If there's top players in a group (unless there's multiple), then it's almost guaranteed that they'll get out of the group, but when all the players in the group are on a similar skill level then it becomes unclear and the hardest group to advance from.
On December 15 2011 17:33 TheBB wrote: Morrow has a good shot against Ryung. He went down just fine against Sheth, and we haven't seen much of what Morrow can do lately. When he was more active, Morrow was definitely among the top three foreign Zergs. It's just that his WCG run was pretty... lame...
On December 15 2011 21:04 althaz wrote: What? Group B the hardest? Hardest to pick a winner in I guess you could argue, but no way the hardest (IMO). Morrow isn't at the top level (even as a foreigner). Killer is good, Ryung and Bomber are very good but seemingly inconsistent. Of course all of them (sans Morrow) are very good players, but not amongst the best in the up & downs (in my opinion of course, and everybody will have different ones I am sure).
Group E seems way more stacked. Hero, Clide and JYP are probably better than everybody in that whole group (except maybe an in-form Bomber who is amazing). Yugioh is sick good, July is hard to play against and I know nothing of Luvsic (terrible name, so I assume he plays Protoss?).
EDIT: Should probably point out: All of the groups are stacked as hell, but B doesn't seem close to the toughest.
Based on their latest games Group B is the toughest IMO, clide/hero/JYPs play have been pretty lackluster lately. Judging on their latest games, Ryung/Bomber/Killer have been playing like bosses.
On December 15 2011 17:17 gruff wrote: I thought Morrow would wait until at least gsl january to play? So I guess this is instead of his Code A seed he talked about?
This is GSL January.
Eh no it isn't. Or am I retarded? They can qualify for GSL january but the up and downs is part of the same season as the current Code A according to the new format. If morrow had gotten a seed for gsl January that wouldn't be this round of code a or up and downs.
On December 15 2011 22:31 pdd wrote: Funny how the two 'forfeitures' would have likely been Idra (now in Code S because of Naniwa's ban) and Coca.
I don't really like the fact that two groups only have 5 players, but I guess it's tough already as it is.
Idra didn't take Naniwa's place, that's a misconception.
Naniwa would have been in Code S had he not done that probe rush. There were only 2 Code S invites, so one of Idra and Sen would have been in the Up/Downs either way.
Morrow's group has strong individual players but their matchups give morrow a decent chance because almost all the players are specialists outside of the ZvX matchup. Morrow also only has to prepare for 2 matchups whereas everyone else prepares for three.
That said, each and everyone of those players are extremely accomplished. Killer nearly broke into the round of 4 just last season, and has had the most cumulative success in the last 2 seasons of GSL code S amongst any protoss. Bomber's worst matchup might be ZvT but he's still a powerhouse. Gumiho and Ryung and world class players in ZvT, even if Ryung had a bad series vs. Sheth, whose no slouch himself. Tassadar dispatched Select like the dude was a ladder player, and went through almost all of Code A undefeated just 2 seasons ago.
On December 15 2011 22:42 willyallthewei wrote: Morrow's group has strong individual players but their matchups give morrow a decent chance because almost all the players are specialists outside of the ZvX matchup. Morrow also only has to prepare for 2 matchups whereas everyone else prepares for three.
That said, each and everyone of those players are extremely accomplished. Killer nearly broke into the round of 4 just last season, and has had the most cumulative success in the last 2 seasons of GSL code S amongst any protoss. Bomber's worst matchup might be ZvT but he's still a powerhouse. Gumiho and Ryung and world class players in ZvT, even if Ryung had a bad series vs. Sheth, whose no slouch himself. Tassadar dispatched Select like the dude was a ladder player, and went through almost all of Code A undefeated just 2 seasons ago.
Killer Ro4? I remembered him getting brutally beat down by CoCa in that season in the Ro16. The only reason he's noted as a solid Protoss was because he so happened was the only Protoss in the Ro16 during the sad zealot season and that one good GSTL performance he had. Other than that he's been a massive letdown.
And given that he's now teamless I don't think he'll be able to improve much more.
His only saving grace is that he has to play PvTs which is his best match-up, in a time when the metagame seems slightly Protoss favored.
On December 15 2011 22:39 michielbrands wrote: NaNiWa the last player for group A? He may still try to requalify if I am right.............
Nope, The UpDowns are for players who lost in Code s or got far in code a
It wouldn't be him regardless if you go by the Quantic/naniwa appology announcement as it states Naniwa won't participate in gsl january as a show of good-will or something like that.
He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best.
On December 15 2011 22:39 michielbrands wrote: NaNiWa the last player for group A? He may still try to requalify if I am right.............
Nope, The UpDowns are for players who lost in Code s or got far in code a
Your idea of the U&D is based on how it was in the past. Right now, all U&D players come from code A. Of course, some of these are Code S players that didn't get to the Ro8 and failed to win the Ro24 in code A.
Regardless, the current U&D format has 28 players coming in from Code A (losers of Ro32 (16) and losers of Ro24 (12)) and 2 external "invites" to make 30 total.
On December 15 2011 22:39 michielbrands wrote: NaNiWa the last player for group A? He may still try to requalify if I am right.............
Nope, The UpDowns are for players who lost in Code s or got far in code a
Your idea of the U&D is based on how it was in the past. Right now, all U&D players come from code A. Of course, some of these are Code S players that didn't get to the Ro8 and failed to win the Ro24 in code A.
Regardless, the current U&D format has 28 players coming in from Code A (losers of Ro32 (16) and losers of Ro24 (12)) and 2 external "invites" to make 30 total.
this, Morrow is one of the invited players but who is/was the second who refused his spot? BTW the second open slot is obvious because of Coca.
On December 15 2011 22:31 pdd wrote: Funny how the two 'forfeitures' would have likely been Idra (now in Code S because of Naniwa's ban) and Coca.
I don't really like the fact that two groups only have 5 players, but I guess it's tough already as it is.
Idra didn't take Naniwa's place, that's a misconception.
Naniwa would have been in Code S had he not done that probe rush. There were only 2 Code S invites, so one of Idra and Sen would have been in the Up/Downs either way.
Yes, but SirScoots said that Idra's Code S spot was confirmed a week ago, Gom just didn't announce it until after the trouble with Naniwa. So most likely the Code S invites were going to be Nani and Idra, and Sen got Nani's spot.
On December 15 2011 23:21 Louis8k8 wrote: Yay HuK got the lucky easier group. I really want to see him back in Code S. He could place first in his group.
Morrow hasn't decided his race? I feel most of the ones that make it to code S will be the SlayerS
He plays ZvP, ZvT and TvZ, that's why I put Z/T for his race
As always Huk gets the easy group and probably will slip through to Code S again... Lol. Huks great but come on, he isn't at the Code S standard - so many players from Code A deserve to be there more than him.
Also I don't understand why group D is being polled as easiest. Taeja is an amazing terran, boxer has been re-emerging with some new strategies and asd has provided many upsets. Genius and squirtle are also two very capable protoss players. Cezanne is probably the outsider I'd say of this group, but he still definitely could take games off any one of these players.
Group B is probably the most stacked, and realistically Morrow is going to be tossed around like a dog toy. Ryungs been slumping recently as well, as much as I hate to say it, but hes probably going to fall out of this group. I want to say Bomber, but he just hasn't impressed in the last few months at all... I feel like Bomber's had one too many "He's totally the second best Terran in the world after MVP" 's without actually delivering in any notable tournament really. I've never felt like Killer could ever win Code S, but his round 8 appearance two GSLs back was pretty impressive. I think we'll see Gumiho advance and second will depend on who delivers between bomber, tassadar and killer.
I still struggle to understand why MorroW dont play ZvZ. I mean he must have played it on ladder plus he can find some practice partner. Having 2nd race for 1 matchup is demanding and only can worse his skills.
I wish they'd stop seeding foreigners into up&down and code s. seems unfair and lackluster based on the past but it is what it is. i think group a is the easiest with b being the hardest.
On December 16 2011 00:02 Nawe wrote: I still struggle to understand why MorroW dont play ZvZ. I mean he must have played it on ladder plus he can find some practice partner. Having 2nd race for 1 matchup is demanding and only can worse his skills.
He did play ZvZ for a long time so it's not because the lack of practise. I guess partly because he wasn't very successful in it and partly because he simply likes TvZ better. I'm not sure his TvZ win percentage in tournament games is even better than his tournament ZvZ was so the "terran is op" argument that some seem to attribute to his change is a bit lacking. He'll have to answer for himself (I think he has previously but I don't remember exactly where or how he expressed himself).
Oh God...I reserve my right to refuse to do stats for the Up-and-Downs. Too much info for my brain to make interesting, and too much typing for my hands to recover from...
On December 16 2011 00:30 Hassybaby wrote: Group A 19th December EGHuK (P) SlayerSAlicia (P) oGsNaDa (T) MVPMonster (Z) FXOLucky (Z)
Group B 20th December SlayerSRyung (T) MouzMorroW (Z/T) - Plays ZvP, ZvT and TvZ StarTaleBomber (T) Killer (P) NSHoSeoTassadar (P) FXOGuMiHo (T)
Group C 21st December TSLPolt (T) oGsInCa (P) IMLosira (Z) StarTaleVirus (T) LiquidZenio (Z)
Group D 22nd December SlayerS'Boxer' (T) SlayerSTaeja (T) FXOasd (T) MVPGenius (P) StarTaleSquirtle (P) oGsCezanne (Z)
Group E 23rd December SlayerSClide (T) SlayerSYuGiOh (Z) LiquidHerO (P) StarTaleJuly (Z) JYP (P) oGsLuvsic (Z)
I really wanna see JYP's control go tow to toe with the Code S players.
JYP literally got the best group he could ask for. The only Terran is Clide, and he's pretty bad against Protoss. His opponents are also not the strongest compared to the others.
B is 100% the toughest with six players and Bomber, Gumiho, Killer, etc.
On December 16 2011 00:30 Louis8k8 wrote: Because Terran is always the victor in a ZvZ.
Question, is the poll asking which group has the hardest opponents or is the hardest to guess who the top two are?
The poll is asking which group is the hardest to get out off, sorry I didn't make it clearer.
Ah, thanks for clarification
Which one that hardest one is said repeatedly said many times and I agree, it's obvious.
The easiest imo is A. There's HuK and NaDa (Not doing that well compared to what's behind that name). The rest are decent, but that 'decent' compared to what's in group D doesn't seem like a comparison.
Oasd, Taeja, Genius and Squirtle just makes the group seem much harder than group A for me.
Group A - Huk takes first, Lucky takes second, Alicia goes 3rd. Group B - Walkover for Bomber (who has been praticing a thon lately), then it's a wash between Ryung and Gumiho. Group C - Probably the hardest to predict due to recent performances from the players, though Polt should make it easily. As for second, I'm inclined to say Virus, but anyone can take it really. Group D - Taeja wins the group, Genius takes 2nd and asd takes 3rd. Boxer barely makes it. Group E - JYP crumbles under pressure in GSL and Hero wants to prove he is Code S caliber following his 0-4 performance in Blizzard Cup. Hero takes 1st, Clide and Yugioh take 2nd and 3rd.
On December 15 2011 22:42 willyallthewei wrote: Morrow's group has strong individual players but their matchups give morrow a decent chance because almost all the players are specialists outside of the ZvX matchup. Morrow also only has to prepare for 2 matchups whereas everyone else prepares for three.
That said, each and everyone of those players are extremely accomplished. Killer nearly broke into the round of 4 just last season, and has had the most cumulative success in the last 2 seasons of GSL code S amongst any protoss. Bomber's worst matchup might be ZvT but he's still a powerhouse. Gumiho and Ryung and world class players in ZvT, even if Ryung had a bad series vs. Sheth, whose no slouch himself. Tassadar dispatched Select like the dude was a ladder player, and went through almost all of Code A undefeated just 2 seasons ago.
Killer Ro4? I remembered him getting brutally beat down by CoCa in that season in the Ro16. The only reason he's noted as a solid Protoss was because he so happened was the only Protoss in the Ro16 during the sad zealot season and that one good GSTL performance he had. Other than that he's been a massive letdown.
And given that he's now teamless I don't think he'll be able to improve much more.
His only saving grace is that he has to play PvTs which is his best match-up, in a time when the metagame seems slightly Protoss favored.
Yeah he was in the ro8 of November i believe. Losing to Coca is nothing to be ashamed of, based on consistency Coca's had the best ZvP in Sc2, maybe ever.
Advancing into the ro16 and then the ro8 is no easy task, it makes him one of best performers in recent months.
On December 16 2011 00:48 kiy0 wrote: Easy to predict groups in my opinion.
Nothing is easy to predict in GSL.
I'll just have some guesses: A: Lucky, Monster (clearly the easiest group, Nada, Huk and Alcia are slumping, only 5 players) B: Gumiho, Bomber (Only Morrow as Z, good for Bomber, bad for Gumiho, but Ryung has to face 2 protoss) C: LosirA, Polt D: Taeja, Squirtle E: Clide, JYP (really anyone could make it here)
On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Group A - Lucky, Huk (can be Monster instead of Huk though, depends which Huk shows to the event) Group B - Bomber, Gumiho (hoping for Morrow and Tassadar, but don't think they will advance unfortunately) Group C - Polt, Losira (like the most not interesting group ever) Group D - Taeja, asd (hoping for Squirtle, he is pretty good again, can cause an upset maybe. Boxer can win some TvT, but don't think he will be able to go to Code S) Group E - July, HerO (Clide may be able to advance, hoping for JYP the most, only 1 T in his group, he may actually have a chance)
On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, there's nothing unfair about it. It stands to reason that someone trying to practice and perfect two races is going to be weaker than someone who practices one. This is why random players never make it far.
It's not as if him switching races has led to him dominating the foreign scene or anything, it just gives him a slight preparation edge.
I don't like how there are 2 forfeits in 2 groups which makes it unfair. They should have done an online tournament with people knocked out of Code A with top 2 getting a spot in up/down. Leaving 2 open spots is just a waste and unfair.
As much as I'd like to see more Protoss and Zerg advance from the up/down to have a more balanced code S, there are a quite a few strong Terrans in here that I think will advance.
On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, there's nothing unfair about it. It stands to reason that someone trying to practice and perfect two races is going to be weaker than someone who practices one. This is why random players never make it far.
It's not as if him switching races has led to him dominating the foreign scene or anything, it just gives him a slight preparation edge.
I agree that it isn't "unfair," but if tournaments are going to allow it, they need to have some procedure for what happens if two players who pick race based on opponents race play each other.
Someone of the two has to pick their race first. Perhaps flip a coin game 1, and the winner picks race first the next game?
On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, there's nothing unfair about it. It stands to reason that someone trying to practice and perfect two races is going to be weaker than someone who practices one. This is why random players never make it far.
It's not as if him switching races has led to him dominating the foreign scene or anything, it just gives him a slight preparation edge.
I agree that it isn't "unfair," but if tournaments are going to allow it, they need to have some procedure for what happens if two players who pick race based on opponents race play each other.
Someone of the two has to pick their race first. Perhaps flip a coin game 1, and the winner picks race first the next game?
I'm still curious as to whether or not it'll even be allowed, though. I know character switching is banned from most major SF4/Third Strike/Tekken etc tournaments; not exactly the same thing, but it's plausible that GOM has a similar rule.
Group A 19th December EGHuK (P) SlayerSAlicia (P) oGsNaDa (T) MVPMonster (Z) FXOLucky (Z)
Alicia hasn't been doing incredibly well lately, though he may take a game off Huk, only because he's been struggling at PvP. Huk should be able to beat everyone but Lucky. Lucky should beat everyone.
Group B 20th December SlayerSRyung (T) MouzMorroW (Z/T) StarTaleBomber (T) Killer (P) NSHoSeoTassadar (P) FXOGuMiHo (T)
Tassadar is a beast as he's shown. Ryung has fallen off in matchups that aren't TvT, so he could still make it, but overall I think Gumiho is the better player of the rest of them.
Group C 21st December TSLPolt (T) oGsInCa (P) IMLosira (Z) StarTaleVirus (T) LiquidZenio (Z)
Polt has shown what he's made of in the Blizzard cup. Inca doesn't have any Protoss to beat, and Losira is just better than Virus and Zenio.
Group D 22nd December SlayerS'Boxer' (T) SlayerSTaeja (T) FXOasd (T) MVPGenius (P) StarTaleSquirtle (P) oGsCezanne (Z)
Taeja should be an obvious pick, and Squirtle is just my fan boy pick.
Group E 23rd December SlayerSClide (T) SlayerSYuGiOh (Z) LiquidHerO (P) StarTaleJuly (Z) JYP (P) oGsLuvsic (Z
If Hero can get over nerves, he has 3 Zergs so he has a good chance. This might be the hardest group to predict though.
On December 16 2011 03:26 SeaSwift wrote: Given how harsh GOM has been on players doing slightly dodgy things, and the Korean attitude in general, I doubt MorroW will be allowed to play T & Z.
It's not dodgy if his opponents know beforehand what race they will be expecting...Zergs should expect Terran when playing Morrow, other races should expect Zerg. As long as there's no element of surprise, there's no "real" advantage. It would be a problem if he suddenly played ZvZ when his opponents expected Terran as a Zerg.
There are a lot of strong players coming up this season. My bets for winners: A.Huk and NaDa; B. Bomber and Killer; C.Polt and LosirA; D.Boxer and Taeja; E.Clide and July
Every code s, huk manages to get an easy group. Really don't know how he does it. Guy has major luck with groups. Hopefully, Nada and Lucky come out of that group.
I don't really see how you can say any of these groups are particularly harder or easier, every single player in these groups is capable (except morrow imho) of going to Code S. It simply depends on who is having a good day and who is off.
Group D is certainly not "easy" by any means, 2 SlayerS terran, asd (vastly underrated), and a veteran code S toss in Genius........and even if Cezanne and Squirtle aren't top tier pros, they have put up good results recently. I would assume two terrans will come out of this group, but certainly Genius could make a run.
Group B is (at least in my opinion) actually the easiest. Bomber and Ryung have been struggling recently (Bomber has looked abysmal), Morrow is simply not a code S quality player, and Tassadar has never particularly impressed me since his initial Code A run (I could definitely be way off on him though too). Killer (if he's on) will absolutely mop the floor with this group. Gumiho is scary too, the whole former fOu team has just improved so much since becoming FXO, and don't forget he gets to practice with Leenock/Oz so you know he's going to come in playing well.
I would say Group A would be between Huk/Nada/Lucky, with Huk being the most likely to advance. Difficult to make any in-depth predictions here because Alicia and Lucky are streaky while Nada has struggled (but hes still Nada so........)
Group C pretty much comes down to if Polt comes to play and who wins between Virus/Losira. Zenio has not been Code S caliber for....well he's on Liquid I won't say anything bad Inca won't make it out barring him having some amazing day (or everyone in his group deciding to switch to P?) Expect Polt to come out, and don't be surprised if Virus makes it two terrans coming out of this group.
Group E is a bloodbath. I would expect the 3 Z's to struggle in this group (luvsic is a generally unknown quantity to me, July has not evolved with the other Code S pros, and YuGiOh is just......well, at least we get to hear 25 more trap card jokes...) Clide is obviously one of the best players on the planet and one of the most consistently high placers in GSL, I would be surprised if he doesn't make it out. Hero and JYP are the wildcards in this group. When Hero is on, he's very very difficult to take down (he's one of these Protoss that just gets how to tech without dying, get his deathball out, and then use it to maximum effect) JYP on the other hand has probably top 3 micro in the world among P, and is an absolute boss PvP (though Hero is too). This group is the hardest to predict by far imo, should be really interesting.
On December 16 2011 02:34 Gara wrote: I don't understand, is Morrow actually allowed to play Terran vs. Zergs? They're allowing him to race-pick? That seems inordinately unfair.
How is it unfair? A lot of tourneys allow it.
The ones that don't allow it do not use "unfair" as a justification, just they don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, there's nothing unfair about it. It stands to reason that someone trying to practice and perfect two races is going to be weaker than someone who practices one. This is why random players never make it far.
It's not as if him switching races has led to him dominating the foreign scene or anything, it just gives him a slight preparation edge.
I agree that it isn't "unfair," but if tournaments are going to allow it, they need to have some procedure for what happens if two players who pick race based on opponents race play each other.
Someone of the two has to pick their race first. Perhaps flip a coin game 1, and the winner picks race first the next game?
The way MLG does it (though I'm not sure if that situation ever came up) is that the lowest seeded player has to pick his or her race first if the two player cannot come to an agreement, and IIRC its a coin-flip if they are ranked equally. I would imagine that GOM would be able to have a similar rule.
I have no problem with race picking at all personally. If everyone is allowed to do it then its just part of the game and as a player you have to deal with it.
Sometimes I am unsure if people read groups before they vote in them. I don't really agree with much of what people have voted. I think there isn't any remarkably easy or hard group relatively speaking. Also, to have Taeja, Boxer, asd, squirtle and genius in a group doesn't scream 'easiest' to me.
I think every group except B is easy, there aren't that many legit code S players in the up and downs this season. Looking at Alicia, Lucky/Huk, Bomber, Gumiho/Ryung, Polt, Losira, Taeja, asd, Hero, and July will probably advance.
Best of luck morrow, bring the paiin! (Also, I wish you would practice recognizing vulnerable timings in your opponents, or just plain old trading armies. Your makro is always very strong, and that often time gives you an army/food advantage. But too often that advantage seem to disappear when you play too defensively. You're too timid!)
Group A 19th December EGHuK (P) SlayerSAlicia (P) oGsNaDa (T) MVPMonster (Z) FXOLucky (Z)
Group B 20th December SlayerSRyung (T) MouzMorroW (Z/T) - Plays ZvP, ZvT and TvZ (Im hopin, even though its probably unrealistic) StarTaleBomber (T) Killer (P) NSHoSeoTassadar (P) FXOGuMiHo (T)
Group C 21st December TSLPolt (T) oGsInCa (P) IMLosira (Z) StarTaleVirus (T) LiquidZenio (Z)
Group D 22nd December SlayerS'Boxer' (T) SlayerSTaeja (T) FXOasd (T) MVPGenius (P) StarTaleSquirtle (P) oGsCezanne (Z)
Group E 23rd December SlayerSClide (T) SlayerSYuGiOh (Z) LiquidHerO (P) StarTaleJuly (Z) JYP (P) oGsLuvsic (Z)
It seems there's a misunderstanding between "November up/down" and "January up/down".
Up & Down happens at the beginning of the season now. There is no November up & down, it is called the Season 1 Up & Down Matches. Refer to the picture if text does not make sense
MorroW's pretty lucky, all those guys (except Gumiho) are weakest in their vs Z, and MorroW doesn't have to play any TvZ, it'll be really good for his focus.
On December 16 2011 08:36 amazingoopah wrote: whoa, so Coca has to go back to Code B?!?! That's a bigger travesty IMHO than what may or may not have happened to Naniwa.
that's not related to gomtv. slayers forced him to pull out.
On December 16 2011 00:02 Nawe wrote: I still struggle to understand why MorroW dont play ZvZ. I mean he must have played it on ladder plus he can find some practice partner. Having 2nd race for 1 matchup is demanding and only can worse his skills.
He did play ZvZ for a long time so it's not because the lack of practise. I guess partly because he wasn't very successful in it and partly because he simply likes TvZ better. I'm not sure his TvZ win percentage in tournament games is even better than his tournament ZvZ was so the "terran is op" argument that some seem to attribute to his change is a bit lacking. He'll have to answer for himself (I think he has previously but I don't remember exactly where or how he expressed himself).
Yes but still, playing 2 races isnt easy. He might know zerg's weak side's but still it;s fundamentaly different approach to game. OP Terran would be stupid reason btw. I mean there is no player who is dominant in ZvZ except maybe NesTea. They all win some and loss some. SO could he.
is he allowed to do that? what if someone else wants to play ZvZ, TvT and PvP, and they met?
tht doesn't make any sense.
What doesn't make sense about it? But here's a better example. What if Morrow played someone who plays zvz, and zvp, but race picks Protoss against Terran? Of course this will probably never happen so it doesn't matter.
is he allowed to do that? what if someone else wants to play ZvZ, TvT and PvP, and they met?
tht doesn't make any sense.
What doesn't make sense about it? But here's a better example. What if Morrow played someone who plays zvz, and zvp, but race picks Protoss against Terran? Of course this will probably never happen so it doesn't matter.
What if MorroW played someone who played exactly the same way he did? ZvP, ZvT, TvZ. They'd have to TvT or something.
is he allowed to do that? what if someone else wants to play ZvZ, TvT and PvP, and they met?
tht doesn't make any sense.
What doesn't make sense about it? But here's a better example. What if Morrow played someone who plays zvz, and zvp, but race picks Protoss against Terran? Of course this will probably never happen so it doesn't matter.
What if MorroW played someone who played exactly the same way he did? ZvP, ZvT, TvZ. They'd have to TvT or something.
Then one could play Z and one could play T. The problem in my example is they would have to play a matchup one of them has no experience playing.
Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
No.
On December 16 2011 16:59 JustPassingBy wrote: I thought demuslim was supposed to participate in this as well? Don't tell me he declined? :o
I think it's up and down in GSL january for demuslim.
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
That doesn't make any sense cause MorroW was invited to parcitipate next season quite a while ago.
is he allowed to do that? what if someone else wants to play ZvZ, TvT and PvP, and they met?
tht doesn't make any sense.
What doesn't make sense about it? But here's a better example. What if Morrow played someone who plays zvz, and zvp, but race picks Protoss against Terran? Of course this will probably never happen so it doesn't matter.
What if MorroW played someone who played exactly the same way he did? ZvP, ZvT, TvZ. They'd have to TvT or something.
Then one could play Z and one could play T. The problem in my example is they would have to play a matchup one of them has no experience playing.
And how is it decided which player plays what race?
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
That doesn't make any sense cause MorroW was invited to parcitipate next season quite a while ago.
He was going to get an invite for coda a in january but he said himself GOM asked if he would participate in this instead. Still I think it's ridiculous to imply such a scenario and for all we know they decided this before the Naniwa incident (most likely since it was announced pretty much at the same time).
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
That doesn't make any sense cause MorroW was invited to parcitipate next season quite a while ago.
He was going to get an invite for coda a in january but he said himself GOM asked if he would participate in this instead. Still I think it's ridiculous to imply such a scenario and for all we know they decided this before the Naniwa incident (most likely since it was announced pretty much at the same time).
Hehe, ok. I didnt know all that. I just thought it sounded on morrows comment that he just got asked to participate like yesterday. Well, I reallly hope im wrong, so...
On December 16 2011 19:12 petrox wrote: I suspect that group B is rated the 'hardest' group only because morrow the foreigner hope is in it... =|
Most likely the reason is that the group has 3 really good terrans with Bomber, Ryung and Gumiho, as well as Tassadar, who's pretty decent, too.
Killer/SangHo doesnt get enough credit as well. He was Code S since the beginning and got passed the first groupstage the last two GSL. I think its the hardest group because Bomber, Ryung, Gumiho and Killer would all be good fit in Code S. I don't see 4 players in any other group.
i think morrow can beat ryung and bomber as their tvz doesn't seem up to par with top korean tvz. as for as vp i have no idea how good morrow's vp so hopefully he can go through them although those tosses seem pretty good. i think morrow has a petty decent shot.
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
Yeah this is pretty dead on... even in Morrows response it seems 'random' to just invite him out of the blue.
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
Yeah this is pretty dead on... even in Morrows response it seems 'random' to just invite him out of the blue.
Doesn't he take the spot of Coca? If so this was decided beforehand.
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
I thought Morrow already had a Code A slot and then it got "upgraded" when Idra got a code S spot? Anyway it was decided way before the Naniwa incident that Morrow would be playing in GSL, so I don't see how it's a bid for swedish viewers
Morrow was invited for next seasons Up/Down-matches, if I'm not mistaken, but GOM asked him if he would be interested in competing in this months matches. No reason to presume sketchiness
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
Yeah this is pretty dead on... even in Morrows response it seems 'random' to just invite him out of the blue.
I'm pretty sure I heard about him getting an Up and Down slot a while ago... beside, notice how they are 28 players rather than 30? One missing slot is due to Coca dropping out, the other is presumably due to Idra or Sen being seeded into Code S rather than U and D.
On December 17 2011 06:15 Trsjnica wrote: Just to confirm... are foreigners going to be added to the groups to make them all 6, or are they playing with 5 in some and 6 in another?
The groups will stay as they are. The only foreigners we have are only HuK and Morrow.
On December 17 2011 02:22 lightsentry wrote: i think morrow can beat ryung and bomber as their tvz doesn't seem up to par with top korean tvz. as for as vp i have no idea how good morrow's vp so hopefully he can go through them although those tosses seem pretty good. i think morrow has a petty decent shot.
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
Yeah this is pretty dead on... even in Morrows response it seems 'random' to just invite him out of the blue.
I'm quite sure morrow got invited before the naniwa thing, so I highly doubt it's gom trying to make it up to the swedish subscribers. Besides, why do they owe anyone anything when naniwa chose to do what he did?
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
Yeah this is pretty dead on... even in Morrows response it seems 'random' to just invite him out of the blue.
Doesn't he take the spot of Coca? If so this was decided beforehand.
There were 2 Up/Down seeds to be given out this season, Morrow just so happened was one of those players GOM has always been interested in. Coca's forfeit is independent of Morrow's invite.
I think if Naniwa and Coca hadn't been removed, things would have fell in just fine. Sen would have been in the Up/Down matches (as the 2nd seed into the Up/Downs) while Naniwa would probably have been given Code S. We would thus have a full 30 man Up/downs.
On December 16 2011 19:09 woone wrote: Why do i get the feeling that MorroW got invited in a feeble attempt by GOM to not loose their swedish subscribers after the Naniwa incident. ... seems kinda obvious to me .. how about you guys?
I thought Morrow already had a Code A slot and then it got "upgraded" when Idra got a code S spot? Anyway it was decided way before the Naniwa incident that Morrow would be playing in GSL, so I don't see how it's a bid for swedish viewers
EG's Alex stated that Idra got the spot before any of the naniwa stuff happened though.
And yes, it was decided way before the naniwa stuff that morrow would be in the GSL. I hope people don't spread conspiracy theories unless they start checking facts...
are these UP//Down matches being broadcast by GOMTV.. i dont see them on TL.Net's scheduled events... or am i blind and missing something obvious here?
On December 19 2011 05:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: are these UP//Down matches being broadcast by GOMTV.. i dont see them on TL.Net's scheduled events... or am i blind and missing something obvious here?
On December 18 2011 10:11 Eee wrote: Has EG/Demuslim commented on why he's not in Korea?
Would be interested in that too, I thought he was in up/down december earlier this month, what did I miss?
DeMusliM will play on next up&down matches because his visa issues.
Thats not a bad thing imo. I think he needs more time in Korea before he has a good chance at the up and downs. If hes living in the slayers house, his terran will improve so much. Plus I think demuslim has alot of potential and can easily be the best foreigner terran.
On December 19 2011 07:28 Kouda wrote: Up and Downs will be casted by Code A Commentators, the GSL Blizzard Cup Finals was Tastosis's last casting event of the year.
EPT
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