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ComplexConf
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fuzzy_panda
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On December 15 2011 07:41 Fandango wrote: Honestly would've preferred Naniwa to have not apologised, it validates a terrible precedent but he's being forced into it otherwise he could end up locking himself out of future competitions or positive situations. Corporate fan appeasement disingenuity 1 serious competitive approach to games as a legitimate (e)sport 0. Whether he should want to play every single game to the fullest or not, forcing him to fake it for the sake of entertainment television is not a thing we should be approving of. so are you saying that if a game doesnt determine the outcome of a tournament then people should play like naniwa did and just throw it away? or are you suggesting that you understand naniwa so well that he couldnt have possibly made that apology sincerely, but is instead forced to do it due to corporate obligations? i personally do believe that naniwa did what he did out of pure frustration after losing so many games, and just as he said he sincerely regrets his actions as he realized all the people who took time and effort to organize the event, as well as all the fans that turned up eager for a Naniwa-Nestea rematch were disappointed. Nobody wants to go all the way up to the GOM studio eager to watch 2 titans battle it out again in a grudge match only to see a 6 probe rush and gg. in fact after the pressure was off for both of them to go further in the tournament you'd think they'd turn it into a showmatch full of epicness and crazy risks that they wouldnt dare use in a proper tournament game. i know i went into it fully expecting some craziness, not the most pitiful game of sc2 ive ever seen. so good on naniwa for being mature about his actions. hopefully this will be a good example for all other progamers not to do this | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:22 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Do you have any words to say to your team, fans, and Koreans? I am very sorry for upsetting people like this, I did what I did because of reasons I explained, I dont have anything more to say to fans or my team, what I said should explain it. Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing. So this doesn't change my opinion of him at all. | ||
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:10 EllipZ wrote: great job by quantic and naniwa.im glad that retard fans who support naniwa for this type of bm will understand what is important to not forget as rules in society. What rules lol. GOM didn't even reference any rule in their decision. What they're doing is holding Naniwa up to some previously invisible definition of a progamer which they choose to only reveal after an incident already occurred. How was Naniwa supposed to know that where the limits of acceptable conduct according to GOM begin and end if he isn't told. Its extremely unfair to punish someone based on some violation that was only made clear to be a violation after the fact. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:29 TheResidentEvil wrote: yeah this is not how real life works. lol so true. Someone people don`t understand the world does not revolve around them. | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote: I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time. Its actually 2 months and there are only 5 gsl this season meaning missing out of 1 is 20% of the available rank points and money from the regular seasons. So it is quite a huge loss to not even go to the qualifiers, re-seeding naniwa if he shows better manner and great results in other tournaments like he ussually does would be a huge move for gom imo. Especially if nestea ends up in the same group. | ||
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ShAdZ_ZX
Australia635 Posts
Naniwa was put in a bad situation, and the mistake he made was the he did the one thing that could make this bad situation worse, throwing the game. Whether that's a result of immaturity or mental fragility, it was a stupid thing to do, but he probably shouldn't have been put in that position in the first place. If GOM's stance at the time was that this was a pointless match, but lets just play it anyway, then I think that's a poor decision on their part, and any punishment to Naniwa should lessened due to them having put him in that silly situation in the first place. However, GOM may very well have said "Yes, this is a pointless match in the context of the tournament, but given the history between these two we don't want to take this match away from the fans who have been looking forward to it, so lets have it anyway". In which case, they had every right to expect to expect a decent performance at least from each player. I think a season ban from GSL is pretty harsh, but the decision has been made and there's nothing that can be done now. All we can do is learn from this. Tournaments have to make sure that their formats are spot on, Naniwa has to stop doing silly things, even though he was in a silly situation, because its only making things worse for himself, his team and Starcraft 2 in general. Edit: A few rewordings. | ||
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Frostmister
Sweden77 Posts
The rule they use to invoke it was not a good one at all and it just makes you think of gom as some kind of a goverement that issues new rules/uses wage ones to control and rule. No need to apologize for something that wasnt THAT bad, sure it wasnt good but gom is taking it to the extreme. I fully support Naniwa not just as a fan but as a viewer of esport in general, gom need to get their stuff togheter about these rules. | ||
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Sub40APM
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And GOMTV is clearly smart because they actually got both Quantic and Naniwa to write out a groveling apology that would not have happened without the Code S seed removal. Everyone wins. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:38 Sub40APM wrote: And GOMTV is clearly smart because they actually got both Quantic and Naniwa to write out a groveling apology that would not have happened without the Code S seed removal. Everyone wins. That is such a horrible attitude... | ||
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rS.eZrA
United States39 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote: I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time. I agree. I wouldn't even be surprised that there are 5-6 pre-rendered apology letters already made with "Insert X-Name". I also feel like NaNiwa probably doesn't even care about this incident; furthermore I think it was really bold on GOM to revoke him of his GSL Code S spot and more of this should occur. Repercussions need to be made for your actions. | ||
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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing. This increases my respect for naniwa. The only people who should be upset, if anyone, are his sponsors. They depend upon him playing games, even if said games are showmatches/meaningless. No one else does, especially not fans. I have lost a massive amount of respect for gomtv from this. They have punished him because of their emotions and cultural nonsense, not because he actually broke any rules. If anyone is unprofessional, it is gomtv, not naniwa. Naniwa played by the book, gomtv didn't. | ||
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