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ComplexConf
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland161 Posts
December 14 2011 23:29 GMT
#541
Blizzard should remove worker rush? WTF LOL.. The brains of some people man...
"Carrier has arrived" "GTFO OR DIE!"
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
December 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#542
Nice statement, FULL SUPPORT!
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
December 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#543
On December 15 2011 07:41 Fandango wrote:
Honestly would've preferred Naniwa to have not apologised, it validates a terrible precedent but he's being forced into it otherwise he could end up locking himself out of future competitions or positive situations. Corporate fan appeasement disingenuity 1 serious competitive approach to games as a legitimate (e)sport 0.

Whether he should want to play every single game to the fullest or not, forcing him to fake it for the sake of entertainment television is not a thing we should be approving of.


so are you saying that if a game doesnt determine the outcome of a tournament then people should play like naniwa did and just throw it away? or are you suggesting that you understand naniwa so well that he couldnt have possibly made that apology sincerely, but is instead forced to do it due to corporate obligations? i personally do believe that naniwa did what he did out of pure frustration after losing so many games, and just as he said he sincerely regrets his actions as he realized all the people who took time and effort to organize the event, as well as all the fans that turned up eager for a Naniwa-Nestea rematch were disappointed. Nobody wants to go all the way up to the GOM studio eager to watch 2 titans battle it out again in a grudge match only to see a 6 probe rush and gg. in fact after the pressure was off for both of them to go further in the tournament you'd think they'd turn it into a showmatch full of epicness and crazy risks that they wouldnt dare use in a proper tournament game. i know i went into it fully expecting some craziness, not the most pitiful game of sc2 ive ever seen. so good on naniwa for being mature about his actions. hopefully this will be a good example for all other progamers not to do this
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 23:34:08
December 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#544
Eh, Naniwa is only coming out with this canned public response after having his Code S seed being taken away, Without this kind of punishment he didn't give a shit, as we saw from the interview with TL:

On December 13 2011 23:22 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Do you have any words to say to your team, fans, and Koreans?

I am very sorry for upsetting people like this, I did what I did because of reasons I explained, I dont have anything more to say to fans or my team, what I said should explain it. Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing.


So this doesn't change my opinion of him at all.
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
December 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#545
On December 15 2011 08:10 EllipZ wrote:
great job by quantic and naniwa.im glad that retard fans who support naniwa for this type of bm will understand what is important to not forget as rules in society.

What rules lol. GOM didn't even reference any rule in their decision. What they're doing is holding Naniwa up to some previously invisible definition of a progamer which they choose to only reveal after an incident already occurred. How was Naniwa supposed to know that where the limits of acceptable conduct according to GOM begin and end if he isn't told. Its extremely unfair to punish someone based on some violation that was only made clear to be a violation after the fact.
I could spend a while with that smile
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
December 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#546
On December 15 2011 08:29 TheResidentEvil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 08:26 Lord Lunga wrote:
Shouldn't have apologized.

You don't suck up to the fat kid just because he owns the ball.


yeah this is not how real life works.


lol so true. Someone people don`t understand the world does not revolve around them.
whatwhatanut
Profile Joined December 2010
United States195 Posts
December 14 2011 23:32 GMT
#547
On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time.


Its actually 2 months and there are only 5 gsl this season meaning missing out of 1 is 20% of the available rank points and money from the regular seasons. So it is quite a huge loss to not even go to the qualifiers, re-seeding naniwa if he shows better manner and great results in other tournaments like he ussually does would be a huge move for gom imo. Especially if nestea ends up in the same group.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 23:37:48
December 14 2011 23:34 GMT
#548
I'm not Naniwa's biggest fan, but I'm not sure if GOM has handled this correctly.

Naniwa was put in a bad situation, and the mistake he made was the he did the one thing that could make this bad situation worse, throwing the game. Whether that's a result of immaturity or mental fragility, it was a stupid thing to do, but he probably shouldn't have been put in that position in the first place.

If GOM's stance at the time was that this was a pointless match, but lets just play it anyway, then I think that's a poor decision on their part, and any punishment to Naniwa should lessened due to them having put him in that silly situation in the first place.

However, GOM may very well have said "Yes, this is a pointless match in the context of the tournament, but given the history between these two we don't want to take this match away from the fans who have been looking forward to it, so lets have it anyway". In which case, they had every right to expect to expect a decent performance at least from each player.

I think a season ban from GSL is pretty harsh, but the decision has been made and there's nothing that can be done now. All we can do is learn from this. Tournaments have to make sure that their formats are spot on, Naniwa has to stop doing silly things, even though he was in a silly situation, because its only making things worse for himself, his team and Starcraft 2 in general.

Edit: A few rewordings.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
December 14 2011 23:34 GMT
#549
Naniwa, you've regained my respect. I really thought you'd act immature and lash out at GOM, claiming that you did nothing wrong, but you've realized how you affected thousands of people and I believe you are truly sincere. I hope you are allowed to compete in GSL in the future-- I knew it's been your dream throughout SC2.

Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
nitesoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada71 Posts
December 14 2011 23:34 GMT
#550
lol it's so obvious these aren't 100% his thoughts, unless of course he changed that dramatically in a day, in any case, this is equivalent to someone half ass-ing some cheese build in order to satisfy Koreans/gom/tourny format designers in a meaningless game...
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 14 2011 23:35 GMT
#551
I think it's really sad that people basically forced this apology from him.
ComplexConf
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland161 Posts
December 14 2011 23:36 GMT
#552
I find it hilarious that you all think koreans are rascist.. I mean I guess I can understand to a degree if your an american and have these thoughts.. But any european thinking these thoughts is a damn hypocrite, koreans are no more rascist than every single western european country itself ..
"Carrier has arrived" "GTFO OR DIE!"
Monasou
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States218 Posts
December 14 2011 23:37 GMT
#553
Good job.
353 Monasou ♥
ComplexConf
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland161 Posts
December 14 2011 23:37 GMT
#554
And I really hope Naniwa meant this shit and he will actually take his position as a progamer seriously in the future.. cus like .. you know.. so far.. all I can say is: "Joke programer"..

"Carrier has arrived" "GTFO OR DIE!"
Frostmister
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden77 Posts
December 14 2011 23:38 GMT
#555
What naniwa did clearly wasnt the best thing he could do but it anywhere close to a removal of invite code S penalty.
The rule they use to invoke it was not a good one at all and it just makes you think of gom as some kind of a goverement that issues new rules/uses wage ones to control and rule.

No need to apologize for something that wasnt THAT bad, sure it wasnt good but gom is taking it to the extreme.
I fully support Naniwa not just as a fan but as a viewer of esport in general, gom need to get their stuff togheter about these rules.
"This matchup makes me wanna commit suicide" - Naniwa
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 14 2011 23:38 GMT
#556
Quantic is a smart team. Making Naniwa write out this statement in hopes of burying with it Naniwa's original "I was tired and I dont owe anything to anyone for throwing a meaningless game" response.

And GOMTV is clearly smart because they actually got both Quantic and Naniwa to write out a groveling apology that would not have happened without the Code S seed removal.

Everyone wins.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 14 2011 23:40 GMT
#557
On December 15 2011 08:38 Sub40APM wrote:

And GOMTV is clearly smart because they actually got both Quantic and Naniwa to write out a groveling apology that would not have happened without the Code S seed removal.

Everyone wins.

That is such a horrible attitude...
rS.eZrA
Profile Joined April 2011
United States39 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 23:41:37
December 14 2011 23:40 GMT
#558
On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time.


I agree.

I wouldn't even be surprised that there are 5-6 pre-rendered apology letters already made with "Insert X-Name".

I also feel like NaNiwa probably doesn't even care about this incident; furthermore I think it was really bold on GOM to revoke him of his GSL Code S spot and more of this should occur.

Repercussions need to be made for your actions.
"Where I Walk, You Will Die"
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
December 14 2011 23:42 GMT
#559
Nani and Quantic really should not have to apologize I completely understand why Nani did what he did and I cant believe how much of a big deal it has become. If he had fore-fitted people would have understood, if he just 4 gated people would have understood, but do something in between and you need to apologize? No. There would have been no point in anyone seeing both players play half heartedly in a meaningless match. The only people who would have grounds to complain would be Nani or Quantic fans, I am both and i dont feel like I have been deprived of anything but getting to see Nani play in code S, as was promised and expected. Seeing Nani get punished by a bad tournament format where he can be cheesed out in a series of BO1s was enough, after 3 it was over so why make him play a 4th where he obviously could not show his fans what they wanted to see. His fans want to see hi in code S, not watch him get cheesed 3 games in a row and lose his spot. I feel that GOM have to give Nani back his code S spot and then apologize to Nani and Quantic for considering something so harsh. This thread makes me sad and angry it is GOM who are being immature, not Nani. As for Nani will continue to play for Quantic.....did that really have to be said? In 1 game Nani worker rushed and because of that he was punished by losing the game, then lost a code S spot, I think if he lost his team too i would have to stop playing this game due to all the injustice surrounding it.
Buddhist
Profile Joined April 2010
United States658 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 23:45:06
December 14 2011 23:44 GMT
#560
Koreans need to stop making such a big deal out of everything , it's going ridiculously far to say that I dont deserve to be called a progamer and such for this kind of thing.

This increases my respect for naniwa. The only people who should be upset, if anyone, are his sponsors. They depend upon him playing games, even if said games are showmatches/meaningless. No one else does, especially not fans.

I have lost a massive amount of respect for gomtv from this. They have punished him because of their emotions and cultural nonsense, not because he actually broke any rules. If anyone is unprofessional, it is gomtv, not naniwa. Naniwa played by the book, gomtv didn't.
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