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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote: So you're saying it was GOMTV's fault for broadcasting an inconsequential game? Perhaps you can assign some blame on GOMTV, but once the decision to broadcast has been made, players should at least attempt to play their best. Using some rush strategy is acceptable, this was not | ||
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Dimon87
218 Posts
"This tournament was a special 1st year anniversary of launching Starcraft 2 tournaments for the fans." Makes it BO1 I also like how non biased this post is towards korean culture. | ||
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:23 Clayden wrote: It's mind boggling how upset people are getting about this, also as several people have stated, the double standard is out of control. First world problems, must be nice! Double standard? How about how you think an RTS is supposed to turn out? You arn't supposed to start off by attacking with all your harvesters. You are supposed to make actual attacking units and attack. Rushing to get them is another thing, but sending workers.... Maybe you should think through before you accuse us of double standards. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
Where was your fury then? Naniwa is so easy to hate isnt he. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:12 zul wrote: Naniwa responds on twitter: "apparently people got upset when i probe rushed nestea, the game was pointless and it couldnt change anything in the tournament." people who bought the HD Pass just to see good games from him, will not approve of this behavior. The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:25 Dimon87 wrote: Douchebag GOM "This tournament was a special 1st year anniversary of launching Starcraft 2 tournaments for the fans." Makes it BO1 I also like how non biased this post is towards korean culture. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were related to Naniwa. GOM holds a special tournament for everyone and you call them douchebags for making it BO1, lol. | ||
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:25 Dimon87 wrote: Douchebag GOM "This tournament was a special 1st year anniversary of launching Starcraft 2 tournaments for the fans." Makes it BO1 I also like how non biased this post is towards korean culture. BO1 have always been used in Korea. Also please think about the players. For group stages Bo3 with round robin is akin to playing out a day of MLG through the night. | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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dre2k
Netherlands215 Posts
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:24 snailz wrote: who are you to decide what's funny and silly for the rest of us? probe rush is funny and silly as much as BC rush in Stephano vs BratOK is. and equally "fair play", no matter how you justify it ;-) +1 I thought Nani's rush was hilarious. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:28 syllogism wrote: What does even "no one is good enough to waste their best effort" mean? Obviously we don't expect players to use some secret build they have been saving, but at least treat it like a ladder match Which would be the false show of competition Tyler mentions later in the post, please don't tell me you would actually watch something like that? | ||
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iG.Forever
Korea (South)148 Posts
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setmeal
162 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. Tyler said it best right here. I think that many people just don't have any empathy for how hard it is to be a pro gamer. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37123 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. Tyler. What about you? Do you think Naniwa's actions were justified? Or was it disgraceful? | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:22 PikaXchU wrote: Good call? You selfish bastards out there should think about what Naniwa's actions imply. First of all, E-sports is big in Korea. Go youtube the MSL, OSL matches and look at the crowd they produce. If that's not enough, then look through TL BW Forums, look at the pictures. Does your brain now register how recognised E-sports is in Korea? Now look back at what Naniwa just did. Nestea just wanted to play a good game with Naniwa, and what did he do? Probe rush. No attempt at proxy gate or anything, straight up probe rush. How can you blame this on the format? This is a showmatch to begin with, so fucking show some respect to Koreans at least, show some respect to viewers too. If you are fed up, well we know, and we will continue rooting for you after this tournament but just play the game like it's meant to be played, not attack with ONLY workers, which arn't even meant to be attacking units. Show some respect to Koreans? Like how they showed Naniwa respect when they (MVP team) refused to train with him? It sure is outraging when a player probe rushes a meaningless game. But it's not when a team refuses to practice with a fellow member and downright let him find his own practice partners? This has gone WAAAY to far. There is like 1313213213 things that players has done that is worse than Nani's probe rush, and this is not limited to foreigners only. Naniwa does not deserve this kind of hate, especially for showing us some of the best matches of today. Im certain that if another player had done this, he would not even get half of the hate Nani is getting, which is just downright disturbing since he probably doesn't even understand why he gets all this hate. | ||
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. I'm a huge fan of you and all, but I think this is wrong. Not wanting to show your A game is one thing, but shouldn't you at least play the game? How can we promote E-sports if there are pro-gamers out there who just send their workers out there from the start without a tier 1 unit in a professional broadcasted match? I'd rather Naniwa double proxy gate outside of Nestea's main base blatently than going for a worker rush like that, which at least would give the illusion of him putting in some effort to win the game. | ||
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AZKziek
Australia64 Posts
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