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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:29 setmeal wrote: Tyler said it best right here. I think that many people just don't have any empathy for how hard it is to be a pro gamer. you mean empathy for ppl who live with their passion as a work and think it's "hard" while they're unable to demonstrate that they understand what respect means? | ||
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philipov
United States81 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:29 setmeal wrote: Tyler said it best right here. I think that many people just don't have any empathy for how hard it is to be a pro gamer. Yes. How dare people expect someone who gets paid to play in tournaments to actually play all their games. People have way too high of standards nowadays. Geesh. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. I completely agree. Game should never have even been played it ment nothing and was just wasting their and everyone elses time. They are show monkeys this is their living. Why show off your strats/waste time. | ||
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Gowerly
United Kingdom916 Posts
There's professionalism and there's faking interest. If it were me and I knew that the game was entirely pointless, I would: - see if my opponent wanted to do some trolling fun. - end the game as fast as possible so people could see the later rounds sooner. Nobody wants to sit around and watch a possibly long game that means nothing over watching later rounds in the tournament. I would put forward that he did everyone a favour. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:28 syllogism wrote: What does "no one is good enough to waste their best effort" even mean? Obviously we don't expect players to use some secret build they have been saving, but at least treat it like a ladder match Why do you immediately ask me? This is the stupidest response possible and you don't even care. You don't understand and yet you immediately reply begging me for help. Have some fucking self-respect. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. that doesn't mean he can THROW AWAY a game. Sure he can hide his strat, but at least try to play a standard game/show a good game for the fans. | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 PikaXchU wrote: BO1 have always been used in Korea. Also please think about the players. For group stages Bo3 with round robin is akin to playing out a day of MLG through the night. The fact that "BO1 have always been used in Korea" doesn't automatically make it a good format. | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:29 setmeal wrote: Tyler said it best right here. I think that many people just don't have any empathy for how hard it is to be a pro gamer. Also no matter the result there would have been complaints of, this person didn't try hard enough, or this game meant nothing they weren't trying. Very similar to the MC results last night. No matter what would have happened it would have been ridiculous arguments and theories. No theories now. I may not like his decision...but I at least respect it for what it was. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. Not this SOTG debate again... Please argue in this thread, and let's keep this one for Knetizens reactions. Pretty please with sugar on top. | ||
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SoylentCreep
Korea (South)176 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:29 setmeal wrote: Tyler said it best right here. I think that many people just don't have any empathy for how hard it is to be a pro gamer. Tough luck. Guess nobody would want to trade places with him because it is so "hard" to be a pro gamer. LOLZ | ||
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khstark
Sweden4 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:24 Badfatpanda wrote: He was watching HuK play and didn't hear the announcement, NaNiWa disrespected thousands of people including his opponent. That must be the worst excuse ever. And don´t you think it was ppl that wanted to see the match between idra and haypro don´t you think haypro felt disrespected when his opponent dident show.. | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
It would have been like 8 more minutes or whatever... but - he may had a "realistic" chance to win - he would have put up a decent fight - no shitstorm. This just shows that he stops thinking, when getting emotional, which for me translates to "unprofessionalism". | ||
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ETisME
12226 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. really? So if I were to watch a CS game, for example. Team A and Team B cannot move on to the tournament. Would "The people who bought HD pass" be expecting Team A to just blowing themselves up with rockets and killing their own team mate because they want the game to end shortly? (as they think it is pointless?) Or if Football Team A starts shooting their own goal? Or if bowling starts hitting pins on another lane? Oh and also let's not forget this is supposed to be a big grudged match and been hyped for a while? And it is broadcasted show? Who cares lulz | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:29 iG.Forever wrote: i think it was extremely bm.... its like saying 2 football teams playing but have no shot at makin the playoffs, do they still not play? theres fans who paid to be there to watch them play and its televised with a staff and everything. its like a smack to the face of everyone involved. not cool on what he did. but other than that..... hes still a good toss, ill still watch him if he streams  how about when "team A" already qualifies for the next round, and then brings out reserve squad against "team B" screwing the "team C" over (that is competing with "team B" for the second spot), just so that "team A" can rest their star players and unfairly get ahead of their opossing team in round of 16 (that plays 3 games with best players, not 2) real life, every world cup... | ||
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Weemoed
Netherlands741 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:31 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Why do you immediately ask me? This is the stupidest response possible and you don't even care. You don't understand and yet you immediately reply begging me for help. Have some fucking self-respect. This seems like such an overreaction. Stupidest response possible? I've a hard time believing you think that's true. I can assure I understand, but you aren't making any sense and appear to just be playing a devils advocate because you dislike the huge overreaction that is obviously happening here. | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. Sorry Tyler, but I totally disagree. Relate it to any other sport. I live in Toronto so lets use the Leafs as an example. I pay money to go see a Leafs game after they have been disqualified from playoff contention, as is the team they are playing against. I put my time and money into seeing them play their best. They get on the ice, win the first faceoff, shoot the puck in their own net, skate off the ice, and have a press release stating "the game doesnt matter anyway". Am I supposed to be okay with that? Should the league be responsible for that happening because they dont selectively cancel games that "dont matter"? When you are a professional, you dont only represent yourself. If you dont care, then stop being a pro, because other peoples time and money, are the only thing keeping you in the spot youre in. You need to show them respect, because without them, you dont have a job. | ||
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:30 Polox wrote: Show some respect to Koreans? Like how they showed Naniwa respect when they (MVP team) refused to train with him? It sure is outraging when a player probe rushes a meaningless game. But it's not when a team refuses to practice with a fellow member and downright let him find his own practice partners? This has gone WAAAY to far. There is like 1313213213 things that players has done that is worse than Nani's probe rush, and this is not limited to foreigners only. Naniwa does not deserve this kind of hate, especially for showing us some of the best matches of today. Im certain that if another player had done this, he would not even get half of the hate Nani is getting, which is just downright disturbing since he probably doesn't even understand why he gets all this hate. I'm not hating on him, but for E-sports this is definitely not good. It didn't mention that team MVP refuse to train with Naniwa, just that they weren't always practicing within the team house, and the atmosphere was very relaxed. As Naniwa stated, this was not the kind of atmosphere he would like to be in, hence the switch. It didn't seem like they disrespected him. | ||
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