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An article on Naniwa from Thisisgame

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CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:13:49
December 13 2011 13:36 GMT
#1
This article is TRANSLATED from thisisgame. I DID NOT WRITE THIS. I translated this article to show people how people are taking the incident in Korea and not to start any sort of argument related to this. I believe there is already a thread.





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Something ridiculous happened. This may sound very emotional but Naniwa does not have qualifications to be a pro gamer.

On 13th December, one participant of Blizzcup, Naniwa, made everyone upset at the studio. Some staff members were not only panicked but outraged about what Naniwa did. In the 9th game where Naniwa was facing Nestea, Naniwa pulled all his probes and attacked Nestea's base then lost then called out GG.

Both Nestea and Naniwa had 3 losses and were not possible to advance however Nestea still told us that he will win the last match-up to have a better finish out of the tournament. All viewers at the studio wanted to see the game especially after all the dramas at MLG Providence.

But Naniwa did not meet the standard expectation for a pro-gamer and deteriorated Nestea's determination. The viewers could not hide anger off their face and Nestea also commented "That is just not understandable. I feel bad"

This tournament was organized by Blizzard and GomTV - trying to find the King of the Kings of 2011. This was not an online tournament with a petty prize pool. Not just inside Korea but there are many viewers who paid to watch this tournament. This tournament was a special 1st year anniversary of launching Starcraft 2 tournaments for the fans.

People have different reactions. From "If Naniwa gets GSL seed again from GomTV, I will strongly complain", "Greg Fields is an angel compared to Naniwa", "This is outrageous". Most fans blame Naniwa for his immature behaviour.

Staffs from other teams are also furious. MVP team twitted that "We are glad that Complexity transferred Naniwa to Quantic. The idea of having him in our team house for a longer period is just..." also IM's coach Dong-Hoon KANG did not refuse to show his frustration on his twitter.

Let's analyse what happened. Naniwa lost a game on purpose, he threw a game again. If there was any possibility of him winning with the initial probe rush then it could be seen as a strategy. But this 'play' cannot kill an opponent no matter what. He was already disqualified but throwing a game like that can not be justified whatsoever.

We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. Even considering that he is young and free-style minded foreign player, he forgot to remember that pro-gamers are meant to show the best games out of their ability to fans.

Naniwa tried out for Code A in Korea previously. He had an experience about Korea and should know how competitive it is. Knowing these but throwing away a game like that shows that he does not have any professionalism.

We are not sure how Quantic will deal with Naniwa but what we are sure of is that there shouldn't be a chance of Naniwa getting seeded into GSL again. Also Blizzard and GomTV should firmly warn about such a behaviour to Naniwa. His irresponsible behaviour was a mockery to e-sports fans and fellow pro-gamers.

Original articles can be found : http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=983920&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=



T/N : Here are other few translated tweet messages from different people in Korea
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Korean's reactions on Twitter

MVP Team

We are glad Complexity sold Niniwa to Quantic. The idea about having Naniwa in our team house for longer... That was the most disappointing match in Starcraft 2 history

What makes us even angrier is that it was Nestea's birthday but he refused to stop practising for today. That is not a way of an opponent player.


Coach Kang (IM)

what.. it's you again..

FXOChoya

lol I can only laugh that bastard (T/N: probably the mild translation of 새끼) is a pro-gamer

IMMvP
WTF




SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:38:39
December 13 2011 13:38 GMT
#2
It'll be interesting to see if anything comes of this.

Thanks for the translation.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
December 13 2011 13:39 GMT
#3
thank you for the quick translation
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
December 13 2011 13:40 GMT
#4
Wow, that was fast.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 13 2011 13:40 GMT
#5
Keep giving him more attention. You are giving him what he wants. Instead you guys should use reverse psychology and say nothing about him.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 13 2011 13:41 GMT
#6
Thanks for the translation, dam..
Dear Sixsmith...
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
December 13 2011 13:42 GMT
#7
Oh my god... I don't even... That is just... hating? Those last parts are inappropriate and in my opinion waaay more disrespectful than forfeiting a game
Darkkal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States60 Posts
December 13 2011 13:42 GMT
#8
Jesus fucking christ how much drama is this one game going to create?
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
December 13 2011 13:44 GMT
#9
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labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
December 13 2011 13:44 GMT
#10
Wow, and here I thought this couldn't get more ridiculously blown out of proportion.

I was wrong
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
December 13 2011 13:44 GMT
#11
Sorry but that article is rubbish, trashing him that hard for a game that didn't even matter..
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
December 13 2011 13:45 GMT
#12
As I mentioned in the other thread, Europeans and Americans to this very day still under-estimate countries whose culture does not revolve around theirs. This is going to get VERY bad flack from the Korean community. And they can say whatever they want about Naniwa, because at this point, he collectively insulted them. I hate repeating myself, but that's how it is.
I post only when my brain works.
SonOfMKP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States30 Posts
December 13 2011 13:45 GMT
#13
On December 13 2011 22:36 CryingPoo wrote:
All viewers at the studio wanted to see the game especially after all the dramas at MLG Providence.


Thanks for speaking on my behalf and still getting my opinion wrong. Most of us in the audience laughed about this. Clearly biased hate article towards Naniwa.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
December 13 2011 13:45 GMT
#14
Wow and now I can lose all respect for thisisgame.com too.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:47:20
December 13 2011 13:45 GMT
#15
Please read what I said I translated this article to SHOW how Korean people think about this incident. Not to stir up anything

SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon
Desiderium
Profile Joined May 2011
Belgium29 Posts
December 13 2011 13:45 GMT
#16
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User was temp banned for this post.
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
December 13 2011 13:46 GMT
#17
its just pathetic how they make a big deal out of nothing
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
December 13 2011 13:46 GMT
#18
Wow. Really? The entire post is just insulting Naniwa. Even idra didn't get this much shit when he threw games when he was pissed.
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
December 13 2011 13:46 GMT
#19
Wow, great work! This is quite a series of frightening events O_O
Writer@joonjoewong
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 13 2011 13:46 GMT
#20
Most asian cultures are always super polite about everything so it's not really a surprise.
Revolutionist fan
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