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On December 09 2011 18:44 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 18:37 Tobberoth wrote:On December 09 2011 18:30 lichter wrote:On December 09 2011 18:27 Tobberoth wrote:On December 09 2011 18:23 lichter wrote:On December 09 2011 18:17 Lysanias wrote:On December 09 2011 17:58 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 17:52 dormer wrote:On December 09 2011 17:44 Lysanias wrote:On December 09 2011 17:34 DarkRise wrote:
Now he feels what Idra has been experiencing for the past years and this should let others know how difficult it is being in that state.
On topic, I'm really surprise about this transfer. Doesn't Quantic break off with IM recently? Where is Sase and other quantic players been playing/staying in Korea? Won't TL/EG/FXO a better choice or quantic the only option he have? I never got this if you stay in a country for a long period why not learn the language. Korean is completely different from any western language; it takes a lot of time and effort to learn. Assuming that they have enough time and energy when they're not practicing to study the language, it still takes quite a while to get to the point where you can develop good friendships or have meaningful conversations. Obviously learning basic Korean for daily activities is important, and if he wants to live there long-term then yeah, he should find time to study too, but that's a huge commitment of time and energy, and it takes a long time to pay off. I can't speak for Korean as I have not studied it, but if it's around the difficulty of Japanese then it's not really all that difficult. I would personally consider Japanese an easy language, at least as far as speaking goes. Obviously Kanji adds on the difficulty exponentially, but not necessary for speaking. Being regularly exposed to Korean would make learning it a lot easier as well. According to a lot Korean is very easy to learn, i would say it's more easy then Japanese but i am no expert either. So i understand it's a commitment and if you stay for 3/6 months it might not be worth the time, but for longer periods of time, come on there is no excuse not to learn and start bonding with your housemates. Culture is different yes, but that should not stop possible friendships if your willing to addapt and be openminded, and speak the basic language. Korean is about on the same level as Japanese, but much much easier than Chinese. English is much harder to learn for a Korean than vice versa, because many of the letters correspond to multiple pronunciations. I think it's called an imperfect phoneme? For example, "evil" and "devil", despite being spelled similarly, are read differently. Korean, Japanese, and Chinese, have one sound per "letter", which makes it easy to read. That's not really true. First of all, you can learn Chinese to a speaking level about as fast as Japanese or Korean. It's even easier in many aspects because it has pretty much no grammar and the word order is very similar to English. Second, Korean also has issues with it's ortography, the same letter can be pronounced differently depending on if it's at the start of a word, or if it's at the end of a syllable. Compared to English though, it's definitely a LOT more logical. I have no experience studying Korean, though a close friend of mine does and she was able to take us around Korea having only studied for 4 months or so. She says the pronunciation of words is easy, so I apologize if it isn't so. Chinese has accents, Japanese has none. I speak both, and have studied both with Westerners and Chinese is always more difficult to pick up due to the accent (edit: or is it intonation? Not sure what you call it). It's more difficult to pronounce properly, and many word-meanings have the same pronunciation, making it more confusing. Chinese grammar is easier though, I agree. PS English is not my first language either Korean is way harder to pronounce than Japanese, but it is of course far easier than Chinese. Chinese has tones, Japanese doesn't, but Japanese does have accents, and word meanings do change if you mess them up. Mora are either high or low and the order has to be correct. For example, ame can be either high-low or low-heigh, the first meaning rain, the second meaning candy. I personally speak japanese more or less fluently, and I only have limited experience with korean and mandarin, but I have lots of friends who live in China and speak the language fine. They all say that while tones is a big thing in the beginning, you master it pretty quickly and it actually matters little later on. In Swedish and american schools etc, a lot of emphasis is put on it, but when you study it in China, it's more or less ignored because you get used to it and start to adopt it more or less automatically, in a similar vain as accents in japanese and stress in english/Swedish. I've lived in Japan to study Japanese and I've never been taught about any accents. Either my teacher was bad (he was kinda a crazy dude, actually) or the pronunciation of accents is more a dialect than anything strict. Never had any trouble going around and traveling, either, so I'm not sure about this hmm. I suppose you get used to Chinese tones after listening and using it for a while. Honestly it's more context than tones since everything is said so quick you barely have time to register what the intonation was =/
Exactly. I studied in Japan as well and our teachers did teach us about it, but in Swedish schools, it's not mentioned. It's very hard to learn and it is, as you say, somewhat dependant on region. There's even a dialect, I think sendai, where there's litterally no accent, and there's situations between kansai and kanto where it's the opposite order of high and low.
And you're very right about context. In fact, my friends often can't tell me which tones are used in a word, they have to think about it and say it repeatetedly to feel what's right, where as beginners of Chinese often study tones extensively and try to memorize them for every word/hanzi. It's like in English, if I ask you where the stress is in a long word, this is not something you know because you've studied it. You simply say it aloud (or in your head) and you feel where the stress is. Just because you don't have direct knowledge of it, you're not going to say it wrong or not understand it, it's a bit vaguer than that.
BTW, if you want to hear an example, go to wwwjdic and search for "ame", then use the play button to hear it pronounced, you will hear the clear difference between ame as in rain and ame as in candy.
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This is probably because BM towards Nestea.
User was warned for this post
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On December 09 2011 12:49 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:49 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 09 2011 11:43 aMies wrote:On December 09 2011 11:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 09 2011 11:26 RudePlague wrote:
The anonymous source thing is borderline slander, it offers no information and is at best just gossip spreading.
"Some guy said Naniwa is a p.o.s."
I counter with "I heard from an anonymous source that ESFI is in the pocket of coL and is staffed by terrible writers with no morals who should be ashamed to call themselves journalists."
I hope the community really goes to town on them for this as it's not good enough and we shouldn't accept it regardless of what we think about Naniwa.
Considering ESFI has Complexity ads on every page of their website I'm not surprised to see them releasing such "unbiased" articles featuring "secret informations"... Before this statement goes any further, we are in no way associated with ESFI's operations. According to an anonymous source you are lying. HMM i dont know who to believe now. Maybe you should get an editor like most journalism oriented business'? User was temp banned for this post. Do you actually read any newspapers or sites outside of e-sports ones? Seriously? Reputed journals and newspapers use anonymous sources ALL THE TIME, especially to protect the identity of the source. I mean NaNiwa is such a successful player that if some other player came out and said his feelings openly about NaNiwa, the community would roast that source alive.
They do, although usually it's not to make a cowardly personal attack.
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United States7483 Posts
Best of luck to Naniwa, sounds like a good move for him.
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good luck nani, hoep you get what you want from Quantic!!!
ANyway so many comment but how do you know Nani hasnt been trying to learn korean? even without knowing or knowing korean perhaps he is just lonely from not having other western plyers with him to help support him. Must be quite hard and frustating when you dont fully understand and a korean team are around helping each other talking in fluent korean then a translaton only is basic so you still miss out on lots.
Anyway seems that complexity and nani wanted different things and perhpas evenbroke a promise that more westerners from team complexity would be going to korea sooner then they actually were.
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Never liked complexity happy that Nani is going to another team. Hopefully hes found his home
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I have some concerns about Quantic.
Their business model seems to be focused around attaining players that are already either popular or entertaining.
Although there is talk of them sending more players to Korea, I wonder how much they intend to facility the development and growth of their players, or will they simply try to get as many big names as possible and try to cash it in?
Although the owner of Quantic seems to have a very positive rep, he comes of as a pure business man, not someone who is focused on eSports or SC2.
Who knows, maybe a good business man is what it's going to take to create a competitive foreign team.
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On December 09 2011 19:18 MrCash wrote:
I have some concerns about Quantic.
Their business model seems to be focused around attaining players that are already either popular or entertaining.
Although there is talk of them sending more players to Korea, I wonder how much they intend to facility the development and growth of their players, or will they simply try to get as many big names as possible and try to cash it in?
Although the owner of Quantic seems to have a very positive rep, he comes of as a pure business man, not someone who is focused on eSports or SC2.
Who knows, maybe a good business man is what it's going to take to create a competitive foreign team.
If you look at the most mainstream sports then you will see the the owners usally are business men. The first and foremost goal of a team in sports is still to make money for the owners(unless your some superrich dude who doesnt need money and does it for the fun of it)
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Good Luck Naniwa. Just get results mate, just get those results!!!
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Good luck nani, hope everything works out in your new team!
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GL Nani. Both Quantic and him seem to be committed to Korea so I hope it works out.
Also lol at that ESFI article. Pretty pathetic if you're not man enough to talk shit about people without anonymity. Lawl.
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On December 09 2011 18:57 Full.tilt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:49 Piledriver wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 09 2011 11:43 aMies wrote:On December 09 2011 11:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 09 2011 11:26 RudePlague wrote:
The anonymous source thing is borderline slander, it offers no information and is at best just gossip spreading.
"Some guy said Naniwa is a p.o.s."
I counter with "I heard from an anonymous source that ESFI is in the pocket of coL and is staffed by terrible writers with no morals who should be ashamed to call themselves journalists."
I hope the community really goes to town on them for this as it's not good enough and we shouldn't accept it regardless of what we think about Naniwa.
Considering ESFI has Complexity ads on every page of their website I'm not surprised to see them releasing such "unbiased" articles featuring "secret informations"... Before this statement goes any further, we are in no way associated with ESFI's operations. According to an anonymous source you are lying. HMM i dont know who to believe now. Maybe you should get an editor like most journalism oriented business'? User was temp banned for this post. Do you actually read any newspapers or sites outside of e-sports ones? Seriously? Reputed journals and newspapers use anonymous sources ALL THE TIME, especially to protect the identity of the source. I mean NaNiwa is such a successful player that if some other player came out and said his feelings openly about NaNiwa, the community would roast that source alive. They do, although usually it's not to make a cowardly personal attack.
It has happened. People have used sources to get information on someone and they print the information they get. For example, let's say the Yankees release Jeter from his contract. The New York finds a source, who doesn't want to be named because they know Jeter personally. Lets say that source says Jeter has been hurting the moral in the locker room because of his recent change in attitude. It's happened, that kind of stuff has been printed before.
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On December 09 2011 18:52 NKsc2 wrote:
I have a credible source that says that IdrA was extremely difficult to work with and he would assault his teammates etc. It's from an extremely credible source that's worked with idra in the past. not gonna tell you who, but plz take my word for it. I speak the... er... truth. ESFI world is a fucking joke lol. Never reading that shitty myth-site again.
I'm assuming you know nothing about journalism and how it works.
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LOL, is ESFI's source a shrink, because otherwise its opinion is worthless and it's a dick move to include that part of the quote in the article.
Does ESFI's source have anything to do with Nani in SC2? It sounds more like a guy that knew Nani in WC3 if it's not col, dignitas.
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"then you can bet I won’t be moving teams again."
Yeah, like its the first time we have heard something like that. Just put on your hackzzz if you feel lonely
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On December 09 2011 20:01 iiss wrote:
"then you can bet I won’t be moving teams again."
Yeah, like its the first time we have heard something like that. Just put on your hackzzz if you feel lonely
Why are you misquoting? He only said that if things go as he thinks they will/as he was told they will, he won't be changing teams again. Is it a disease of this age that people ignore things right in front of them and only see what they want to see without actually bothering to think?
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Norway25712 Posts
Reading this thread, I see I'm not the only one surprised at this transfer.
Quantic got a pretty impressive roster now.
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On December 09 2011 19:52 EZSkull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 18:57 Full.tilt wrote:On December 09 2011 12:49 Piledriver wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 09 2011 11:43 aMies wrote:On December 09 2011 11:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 09 2011 11:26 RudePlague wrote:
The anonymous source thing is borderline slander, it offers no information and is at best just gossip spreading.
"Some guy said Naniwa is a p.o.s."
I counter with "I heard from an anonymous source that ESFI is in the pocket of coL and is staffed by terrible writers with no morals who should be ashamed to call themselves journalists."
I hope the community really goes to town on them for this as it's not good enough and we shouldn't accept it regardless of what we think about Naniwa.
Considering ESFI has Complexity ads on every page of their website I'm not surprised to see them releasing such "unbiased" articles featuring "secret informations"... Before this statement goes any further, we are in no way associated with ESFI's operations. According to an anonymous source you are lying. HMM i dont know who to believe now. Maybe you should get an editor like most journalism oriented business'? User was temp banned for this post. Do you actually read any newspapers or sites outside of e-sports ones? Seriously? Reputed journals and newspapers use anonymous sources ALL THE TIME, especially to protect the identity of the source. I mean NaNiwa is such a successful player that if some other player came out and said his feelings openly about NaNiwa, the community would roast that source alive. They do, although usually it's not to make a cowardly personal attack. It has happened. People have used sources to get information on someone and they print the information they get. For example, let's say the Yankees release Jeter from his contract. The New York finds a source, who doesn't want to be named because they know Jeter personally. Lets say that source says Jeter has been hurting the moral in the locker room because of his recent change in attitude. It's happened, that kind of stuff has been printed before.
But that's not what the source in the ESFI article said. The source simply commented negatively on Nani's behavior and personality, which is fine, but then made a personal attack and said that he had mental problems and should get checked out by a shrink. If you honestly see quotes like the second part in reputable newspapers, please show me. Saying Jeter is hurting the moral in the locker room is nothing compared to saying someone needs to see a shrink. That's a downright attack.
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What's the difference between naniwa and your average ladder nerd?
Naniwa wins tournaments.
What's the difference between naniwa and idra?
Idra doesn't bite the hand that feeds him.
What's my point?
Beats me. That esfi article didn't change my opinion of naniwa one way or another. Yeah I want him to stop raging at tournaments (at the tournaments) publicly, but he's hella entertaining and I'm not going to stop watching him because someone somewhere got butt hurt over something he said, it has less than nothing to do with me.
v NP, just 6:30 AM humor anyhow moving on
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^ You know the difference between Nani and Idra is? O wait you don't actually.
That ESFI article is terrible, that is not how you use anonymous sources.
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