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On November 30 2011 09:56 Jerglings wrote:
Huk says casters are overpaid and treated better than players, eh?
So what about that whole life changing money we kept hearing about when he went to EG? What about how in every interview he talks about how he's babied so he can completely focus on the game? Grass is greener on the other side I guess. If you're a player, you should be focusing on how to win. Not worrying about who's casting and who isn't.
Unless this whole SC2 as an eSport is a total farce and is all about the money instead of being the best.
huk represents a select handful of pro players.
most casters that comment the game (except for a few) have lower than diamond understanding of the game. most aren't even funny and miss quite a bit of action.
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I feel Slasher contradicts himself a lot, that's why I don't like him -_-
Slasher basically says: "Reddit is hating on me because I said that players shouldn't be casters; but I agree with u huk, the best casters were players!"
wtf -.-
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Yeah, I agree a lot with Huk. To this day the best analytical casting I have ever heard was Idra when he used to moonlight in that capacity.
If we're going with the standard model which seems to be one shoutcaster/one analyst then there is always the space for some kind of pro player to hop in and do some of that at tournaments, if not full time then at least occasionally. I was at Dreamhack there and the likes of TLO really do know their stuff, makes for interesting viewing.
There will always be a place for the shoutcasting kind of casting though to keep the excitement up, and for most people it really does add to the experience. I remember Khaldor casting I think it was Darkforce at some tournament, and although I speak no German the sheer passion in his voice made it even more riveting. That said he knows his shit too to my knowledge.
I don't know really, I just feel the levels of casting are on a downward curve at least to my mind. I don't feel this is necessarily related to the points that Huk brought up specifically, but I feel there is such difficulty breaking in as a new caster that those already installed are getting a bit complacent.
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On November 30 2011 12:34 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 09:56 Jerglings wrote:
Huk says casters are overpaid and treated better than players, eh?
So what about that whole life changing money we kept hearing about when he went to EG? What about how in every interview he talks about how he's babied so he can completely focus on the game? Grass is greener on the other side I guess. If you're a player, you should be focusing on how to win. Not worrying about who's casting and who isn't.
Unless this whole SC2 as an eSport is a total farce and is all about the money instead of being the best. huk represents a select handful of pro players. most casters that comment the game (except for a few) have lower than diamond understanding of the game. most aren't even funny and miss quite a bit of action.
I dont understand this rating casters by how much they miss action wise nonsense I see everywhere, tastosis cast from a static camera provided to them by the Korean observer and they are considered 'the best' yes Artosis catches things the observer misses sometimes but thats normal for having more than one person looking at the game. It proves even the korean observer misses things. The point is when they had control they missed things too. Every caster misses action, some just do it less often.
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Compared to the players a lot of casters work like 10x less, and from what I've seen, they aren't qualified for the job, but they have huge followings and are financially better off. What Huk says is completely true.
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Does anyone know how much casters actually get paid?
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On November 30 2011 13:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Compared to the players a lot of casters work like 10x less, and from what I've seen, they aren't qualified for the job, but they have huge followings and are financially better off. What Huk says is completely true.
C'mon, now you're just pulling numbers out of your ass. Anyway, time spent shouldn't be the deciding factor. I could grind away on the ladder 16 hours/day, doesn't mean I deserve to be paid more than a caster bringing thousands of viewers to an event.
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On November 30 2011 13:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Compared to the players a lot of casters work like 10x less, and from what I've seen, they aren't qualified for the job, but they have huge followings and are financially better off. What Huk says is completely true.
If this is true then there is both a demand for better casters and an incentive to devote more time to becoming a better caster. If you know anything about economics then you know that this can only result in better casting.
The better the casters, the better the presentation, which is a company like MLG's product. The better the product the more money they make.
If unqualified and overpaid casters is indeed a problem now, it certainly won't be for long.
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On November 30 2011 13:21 Exoteric wrote:
Does anyone know how much casters actually get paid?
On November 30 2011 13:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Compared to the players a lot of casters work like 10x less, and from what I've seen, they aren't qualified for the job, but they have huge followings and are financially better off. What Huk says is completely true.
this guy doesn't most casters aren't paid well (if at all). I have a term I call e-sports budget. It means you're fucking poor, most non players in e-sports dont get paid much if anything at all. GSL casters besides Tastosis aren't paid well. And casting just like playing is a skill it takes practice if they dont work at it then that's why most of them suck. There are exceptions but most good casters put time into it as well and don't get paid nearly as much as HuK.
Notice I said most though, this is the issue there are standouts in both areas that make more than the rest of them, this entire argument is silly and I've said my points and am honestly not going to bother anymore because this argument happens every couple months anyways.
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reading twitterspeak is mind boggling
what is that site doing to our language...
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you don't need your own camera to watch the production tab. You should notice something like a fourgate before the first warp in.
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Definitely siding with HuK here. I really enjoyed the matches that TLO and Sheth casted. They were very analytical, they knew what they were talking about, yet they remained entertaining. What more could you want in a caster? If they're happy to cast when they're no longer in a tournament I think it would be an error on the tournament's part to deny them.
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Let me get this straight; HuK, the guy with an indefensibly large $187,000 (est.) contract is saying that casters make too much money? The case could be made solely for Tastosis (each rumored to be in the range of $100k this year), but even then those guys have been at FUCKING EVERYTHING this year. I'd bet money that most of the casters make less than $30k, especially ones that have to take travel expenses out of their earnings.
On another note, IdrA makes a good example for the analytical caster role. During the... EG Master's Cup I believe, whenever the caster he was with would ask him what was going on, IdrA gave about a 90% accurate view of what was happening, what the players were trying to execute and why. I loved it, and just keep waiting for someone else to show up who can give insight on games being played on anything close to that level. I seriously hope that some pros give thought to pursuing casting jobs when they end their days playing professionally.
+ Show Spoiler +Except Incontrol, he's already tried it and proved to be a subpar, immensely trollable drama queen (see NASL).
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I find Slasher to be so srsbsns it's fucking annoying, I hate all these people that try to market themselves so much with catchphrases.
And yes, player casters are much more interesting. Casters like TB have no future.
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On November 30 2011 13:56 Stark1 wrote:Let me get this straight; HuK, the guy with an indefensibly large $187,000 (est.) contract is saying that casters make too much money? The case could be made solely for Tastosis (each rumored to be in the range of $100k this year), but even then those guys have been at FUCKING EVERYTHING this year. I'd bet money that most of the casters make less than $30k, especially ones that have to take travel expenses out of their earnings. On another note, IdrA makes a good example for the analytical caster role. During the... EG Master's Cup I believe, whenever the caster he was with would ask him what was going on, IdrA gave about a 90% accurate view of what was happening, what the players were trying to execute and why. I loved it, and just keep waiting for someone else to show up who can give insight on games being played on anything close to that level. I seriously hope that some pros give thought to pursuing casting jobs when they end their days playing professionally. + Show Spoiler +Except Incontrol, he's already tried it and proved to be a subpar, immensely trollable drama queen (see NASL).
where do you get these numbers? no source
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The thing is casters who are not players miss things they don't even know they should have been looking for. Casters need to at a minimum hit masters on NA. That's definitely not a tall order if casting is your job.
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On November 30 2011 14:04 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 13:56 Stark1 wrote:Let me get this straight; HuK, the guy with an indefensibly large $187,000 (est.) contract is saying that casters make too much money? The case could be made solely for Tastosis (each rumored to be in the range of $100k this year), but even then those guys have been at FUCKING EVERYTHING this year. I'd bet money that most of the casters make less than $30k, especially ones that have to take travel expenses out of their earnings. On another note, IdrA makes a good example for the analytical caster role. During the... EG Master's Cup I believe, whenever the caster he was with would ask him what was going on, IdrA gave about a 90% accurate view of what was happening, what the players were trying to execute and why. I loved it, and just keep waiting for someone else to show up who can give insight on games being played on anything close to that level. I seriously hope that some pros give thought to pursuing casting jobs when they end their days playing professionally. + Show Spoiler +Except Incontrol, he's already tried it and proved to be a subpar, immensely trollable drama queen (see NASL). where do you get these numbers? no source
HuK went around blabbering about his contract soon after signing it, so that one's public knowledge. As for Tastosis, it's just a rough estimation from looking at the events they went to and trying to guess how much they would pay. I could be way off on that one, but I doubt it. I'd actually like to get in touch with some team staff, I've been itching to write an article on player pay. Maybe someone reading this can help me get started!
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I think it's worth pointing out that a lot of mainstream sports casters are former players. NFL gameday is all former pros, only sometimes there are journalists that never were successful players. Same for the NBA etc. They usually just know a lot more about the game. I'm not sure if i misunderstood what slasher said, but i think that players turning into casters is a smart business move for the player, and is also great for the community.
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In all this argument around players and casters, everyone just missed the most important twitter in all this from Haypro :
LorangerChris Chris Loranger :
should always be a set time to do autographs like at dreamhack, that way if u want an autograph for sure; u can get it
LiquidHayprO Hayder Hussein
@LorangerChris nice comment chris. share more interesting stuff plz.
Ho HayprO, why I love you so much.
About the all rant around casters and players, I feel like all this comes from players that have huge frustrations because tournament schedule is hard on them, the stress is hard to deal with and their results are not on par with what they want to or whatever, because you know competition is tough, then they will turn all their frustrations on casters, which is perfectly normal, but that's not the real problem obviously.
Having strong charisma's casters is not a problem for players, there is enough light for everyone (and enough money).
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On November 30 2011 13:42 Vei wrote:
reading twitterspeak is mind boggling
what is that site doing to our language...
Um. It's a great tool. It facilitates free and easy communication with anybody and potentially everybody. It can be used to organize rapid emergency donation requests after disaster. It can be used to overcome government (re: Iran) imposed censorship over media outlets in order to spread information. By Twitterspeak I assume you refer to everyone's lines ending abruptly. The "@" thing isn't a feature of language, it's a feature of tagging that allows you to link/notify others.
Anyway, its limitations mean it's really not meant for debating over serious or personal issues (hint, they limit you to 140 characters because it's not meant to be email). In fact, this nonsense demonstrates that using Twitter for this type of in-depth, back & forth conversation is mind-numbingly dumb. It's funny because at the beginning the guy even realizes he probably shouldn't be using Twitter for such a discussion. tl;dr Twitter's great, language is fine, conducting serious discussions via Twitter is ridiculous
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