EPTThe answer is simple....NOTHING is comparable between the two when it comes to team players finishes. EG wins outright, hands down, and whatever analogy you want to throw in there. Sure, it may be Puma, Idra, and Huk....but i'll take those top 3 over just 1 guy any day.
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i am maverick
United States11 Posts
The answer is simple....NOTHING is comparable between the two when it comes to team players finishes. EG wins outright, hands down, and whatever analogy you want to throw in there. Sure, it may be Puma, Idra, and Huk....but i'll take those top 3 over just 1 guy any day. | ||
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
Do you really see Mined out Shatered temple + double vortex + Harass + Mass blink + Mass recalls in games... | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
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Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
The team house model is only as good as the training model. I am sure scoots will work it out though, cos he is huggies the bear! | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:59 i am maverick wrote: The EG team house write up is unnecessary. I think after writing something as biased sounding as that, you need to take a look at your "homeboys" on team liquid?!? they are in the same boat as EG, well from my point of view they are worse off. You have one guy being the "hero". Without Hero what would TL's results look like??? a couple Ret 6th places or a sheth 12th? let it be known i love team liquid and all they do for the starcraft community and e-sports as a whole, but when i read an article calling out a team because you don't think their winnings justifies them buying the team house....it just sounds like you're grasping at straws and trying to take attention away from your own. Other than Haypro's well deserved 7th place at providence and Hero's Dreamhack win and maybe a 6th at mlg....What else does Team Liquid have to boast against Team EG? The answer is simple....NOTHING is comparable between the two when it comes to team players finishes. EG wins outright, hands down, and whatever analogy you want to throw in there. Sure, it may be Puma, Idra, and Huk....but i'll take those top 3 over just 1 guy any day. All of Liquid's 'homegrown' player results (let's exclude Puma, HuK, Hero, Zenio from this because they have done most of their SC2 development outside of EG and Liquid) are better than all of EG's 'homegrown' player results, in both this tournament and over the course of the entire year. Fact. Liquid does not have a team house and does not pay their players as much as EG. Fact. Incontrol, Strifecro, LZgamer, and to a lesser extent, Axslav, do not really deserve to be considered pro-gamers based on results given they are consistently beaten by people who get comparatively no support for their e-sports careers. I believe that is the point. | ||
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UNeeK
United States237 Posts
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decerto
244 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:59 Yokoblue wrote: Im surprised that the Kiwikaki vs Stephano game didnt get the Best game of the MLGs... Do you really see Mined out Shatered temple + double vortex + Harass + Mass blink + Mass recalls in games... That was IPL3 | ||
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OpticalPhonon
Canada72 Posts
I'll be honest guys, I'm really afraid of getting flamed for this, but it's something that's concerned me for long enough that I'm just going to say it. Translation: I'm about to flame EG. EG did really badly, again, and I can't help but feel that the team house is not paying for itself. Didn't they have three players in the top eight at the last MLG? Is that the previous bad performance you are referring too? Also isn't the fact that Idra and Huk finished with the top two seeds this MLG season an indicator of an overall strong performance throughout the season? Of course when you go to EG's coverage of the event, they point to having "solid results overall," but in reality, it's only ever their golden three that do well. Every Korean team that has a house has a few star players and a bunch of no-names. Why are you holding EG to a different standard? Thanks to Idra, Huk, and Puma, EG always manages to scrape together good PR, but the results of their other players are starting to get down right disturbing: iNcontroL lost to State and Strifecro, StrifeCro lost to syckness and RuFF13, Lzgamer lost to Catz and exMaSter. Hating on EG isn't enough, now you have to shit on a bunch of other North American players. Only Machine and Axslav's results are remotely explainable, with losses to Nestea, dde, Gatored, and Violet. Even with those two players though, losses to Gatored and dde when you live in a team house are hard to justify. Are you going to ask Slayers how they justify Ganzi's loss to Gatored as well? DongRaeGu and TOP both lost to Gatored at IEM New York. Maybe they should be kicked out of the MVP and OGS houses. To be honest, if they want to justify having a team house, they need to get their shit together. This sentence reads like the most downvoted comment in a /r/starcraft thread. After only one paragraph you've decided to just outright flame EG. Good job. | ||
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UNeeK
United States237 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:36 pt wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/MLGProvidenceDay3/silverfire/Party/501_02151_t.jpg where can i find huk's jacket? Woah zemotion looks awesome in that. It kinda looks like the Prime hoodie, but different O_o. I liked the article except for the upsets portion. Gatored is awesome though :D | ||
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Ero-Sennin
United States756 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:54 TBone- wrote: Why didn't vVv get any love? They had to of had 15 people at the event, and whenever one of their players would play, they would have around 6 of them behind them cheering them on and supporting them. Because the only "good" result they had was Ruff who made it to the last round of the losers bracket. Everyone else lost before then in like Round 4 or something. Nothing noteworthy. I also disagree with the team house statement. I bet if Idra didn't have the team house he would still be playing his 4 hours a day like he did on his own. I imagine just having people who play starcraft around you is a lot more motivating then being home by yourself (or with family). Pretty much I disagree with your whole EG thing but whatever if that's what you think ok. Otherwise well written article  | ||
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:12 UNeeK wrote: It's a crime to have an opinion (in regards to EG, apparently)... He makes a great point... They purchased some players and those are the only ones who seem to show signs of success.... while, the rest of the house lingers at the bottom. it's nothing to get butthurt about, it's true. The same could be said of every other team house in the world. The section is completely out of place. | ||
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1nst1nct
Australia44 Posts
Beautiful write up - the MiLGies showcase some of the best parts of MLG - in particular oGsMC Murloc Suit. xD | ||
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friedchicken
United States143 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
I'm sure you're discussing this and have plans to address it but still.. | ||
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
iNcontroL losing to State for instance is not a surprise at all to me.. State has been playing amazingly as of late while iNcontrol seems to be focusing on other things more than he is on SC2. Also, literally 0 of the upsets, except for Gatored over Ganzi and Nani over Nestea, were "big". Some of them aren't even upsets. Wasn't surprised at all to see that HerO 2-1'd Puzzle, and that Major 2-1'd Artist. Almost all of the korean v korean matches can go either way if both players are Coda A-Code S caliber, so none of them IMO can really be considered upsets unless it's against the TOP TOP players like NesTea and MVP. Either way, it was awesome to see Leenock do so well, he's so cuddly :3 I feel a little bit envious though, since I live in Texas and I went to the MLG Dallas that sort of.. "woke up".. Sundance. After that, MLG has been 1000x better... Guess I just have to wait till MLG Dallas next year. | ||
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
Then look at the others in EG and in all fairness they are all really awesome guys and I watch incontrol's stream a good bit he is a real personality and I really like him but other than the top 3 in EG the others just dont get results. Then look at who actually practices in the EG house its incontrol, demuslim, machine and strifecro(?). Idra is in korea and he goes to a lot of events so he isn't really there too much to train, id presume HuK and Puma are in korea full time and they also travel a lot. So what is the point in the house at all if the team doesn't have the quality players to train there? Also one last point about the training thing for them it seems like they are laddering a lot more than customing at least incontrol is and I think thats a mistake laddering doesn't exactly teach you much at that level like how can playing deezer or combatex over and over again improve you as a player? Ill end on a thought the idea of team houses is to practice and talk about strats full time and improve the people in the house by saturation but the players have to be in or around the same level and by playing against each other and working as a team to figure out how to handle certain builds or pick up cute things to do that will add to your game. So if a team like liquid who have mainly all of their players around the same skill level made a team house it would be a little more successful. Like if you compare if EG played against each other over and over again it would be idra, puma and huk winning every game vs the others then them 3 having an epic series. | ||
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