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Scalepad
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden366 Posts
April 28 2013 20:15 GMT
#641
Lol. I'm retarded. Clicked this thread and thought it was made for the most recent DH, and was so confused about all the talk of Hero winning on the first few pages.

GG Dreamhack anyway
Arctyrus
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark77 Posts
April 28 2013 20:17 GMT
#642
I just wanted to praise how well Apollo and Artosis where casting together. I'm fairly certain its the best duo I've seen. I loved how they where very game oriented, and asking opinions on different builds etc.

Oh and Incontrol, you have got to do the interviews at every single future tounament!

Keep up the good work
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 28 2013 21:05 GMT
#643
On April 29 2013 04:20 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote:
Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.

It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.

If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.


At first I was like "WUT is he babbling about?" having saturday's supreme stream quality, casting and production in mind.

Then I took a deep breath and I have to agree, tournaments do rely too much on community sites like TL for example.
For people already accustomed to this sort of "bad tradition" it was not all that bad, but if you want to grow esports even more I think that's a good start to improve quite a bit more and make it even more viewer friendly. Really have a coverage page and make it easy for people to select between games and the stream where they are being played. Also this time the timetable was not very helpful as already said.

Apart from that I feel the second day was pretty much excellent - maybe the breaks were a bit too long between games but I also see that casters and players need their time.

DH, you are already excellent. Strive for perfection!


I think there was a really good schedule posted here on teamliquid for day 1. Every single match was listed for every stream so i knew exactly when to watch which stream.
for day 2 i couldnt find anything comparable for the first play off rounds, when there were still community streams. That was more confusing for me.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
April 29 2013 06:01 GMT
#644
On April 29 2013 06:05 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 04:20 Doublemint wrote:
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote:
Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.

It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.

If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.


At first I was like "WUT is he babbling about?" having saturday's supreme stream quality, casting and production in mind.

Then I took a deep breath and I have to agree, tournaments do rely too much on community sites like TL for example.
For people already accustomed to this sort of "bad tradition" it was not all that bad, but if you want to grow esports even more I think that's a good start to improve quite a bit more and make it even more viewer friendly. Really have a coverage page and make it easy for people to select between games and the stream where they are being played. Also this time the timetable was not very helpful as already said.

Apart from that I feel the second day was pretty much excellent - maybe the breaks were a bit too long between games but I also see that casters and players need their time.

DH, you are already excellent. Strive for perfection!


I think there was a really good schedule posted here on teamliquid for day 1. Every single match was listed for every stream so i knew exactly when to watch which stream.
for day 2 i couldnt find anything comparable for the first play off rounds, when there were still community streams. That was more confusing for me.


I agree, when you are on TL it's not all bad - though to make it really easy without following the thread etc. that's something they - and other tournaments - could improve on. Sure one could argue "who in their right mind is into SC2 and not on TL?" but still I think the point is a valid one.

Yet I don't agree at all with the poster who mentioned that criticizing this in particular is like a punch in Opterown's face or something. What Opterown and other's do is invaluable and is exactly what makes TL the TL we love - and has hardly anything to do with the complaints on a very high level on the DH event and their schedule info. Try to imagine how chaotic and actually unpleasant it would have been without the additional service Opterown and others provide?

I would not have used the strong language Nony used but his point in general is something that is worth mentioning.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 29 2013 14:42 GMT
#645
On April 29 2013 00:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote:
- The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.


Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.


Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.

Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
April 29 2013 14:50 GMT
#646
FUCK YEAH !!!!

Thx Dreamhack for giving us the most professionnal production value seen in a western e-sports event!

If I had on critic to make though (and it would drawn in an ocean of compliments if I had to detail every aspect that rocked) it is that the event only last 2 days but features 96 players, therefore, we miss a big part of the action (even with all streams opened at once :D). But I guess it's not your fault and you already do your best within the limited amount of time you have (2 days only :'( )

Anyway great work AGAIN!
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 15:22:13
April 29 2013 15:20 GMT
#647
lol, year check fail
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 29 2013 15:51 GMT
#648
Congrats HerO on winning dreamhack!!

hehe, old topics are great. Thanks for all the fish, Sweden~
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
April 29 2013 16:00 GMT
#649
On April 29 2013 23:42 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote:
- The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.


Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.


Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.



The Overlay is actually Gameheart, and the author mentionned that he decided to put the scores/mineral in the bottom, and don't want to go back on his decision. I think he have good reasons to, because as everyone he probably began to pt it on the top.
But I don't really mind that the ressources are not in an obvious spot. You are not always looking at the ressources/mineral, just at some key point (after an engagement to see the supplies, in the beggining for the builds,...)
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Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
April 29 2013 16:31 GMT
#650
I loved the event, even if I met some friends and missed out of the quarters or the semis. Wished it would have been Bo5 instead of Bo3 but then they wouldn't have been able to play every game on the main stage. I guess you have to compromise.

On April 29 2013 23:42 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 00:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote:
- The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.


Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.


Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.


I'm quite sure the reason why a lot of scoreboards are placed at the top is because of subtitles being placed at the bottom of the screen. Don't think it has anything to do with how we read since we don't scan the TV from top to bottom each time a new frame appears. Even if we did scan the TV from top to bottom, why would we need to see the supply numbers first?
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 29 2013 16:32 GMT
#651
Semi's definitely felt unrewarding at only Bo3. Sure, we had some great games but it doesn't really give the viewers much.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
hangarninetysix
Profile Joined August 2010
263 Posts
April 29 2013 16:37 GMT
#652
On April 30 2013 01:00 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 23:42 TheSir wrote:
On April 29 2013 00:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote:
- The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.


Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.


Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.



The Overlay is actually Gameheart, and the author mentionned that he decided to put the scores/mineral in the bottom, and don't want to go back on his decision. I think he have good reasons to, because as everyone he probably began to pt it on the top.
But I don't really mind that the ressources are not in an obvious spot. You are not always looking at the ressources/mineral, just at some key point (after an engagement to see the supplies, in the beggining for the builds,...)



But that's the problem. For Starcraft players who play alot, you ALWAYS look at it, every couple seconds. You don't think about it, and you don't WANT to think about it, you're constantly moving your eyes from the minimap in the bottom left across the main screen to the supplies and resources at the top right. You train yourself so that it becomes reflexive and subconscious. Now they move it to the bottom for what? No reason at all. It's fine at the top.
AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
April 29 2013 17:52 GMT
#653
So long as they keep releasing replays, I'll love them forever. As for something relevant to this year's DH, that overlay was freaking awesome! Also very glad Incontrol hosted. He is a great MC.
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Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 18:40:45
April 29 2013 18:40 GMT
#654
-Awesome crowd
-Very good production although the downtimes were a bit long, but the epic music made up for it

Definitely a pleasure to watch

edit: Oh and the best oberserver interface so far
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
June 17 2013 23:12 GMT
#655
Yeah, amazing once again DH never fails to deliver.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
June 17 2013 23:15 GMT
#656
Always top notch production, with great hosts etc. But this time the most amazing thing was the casting, especially in the finals.

Apollo & Nathanias taking a noob friendly approach to their casting was amazing addition, especially when the national TV got involved. They kept explaining things that we most likely know already, but everyone might not.

Good job Casting pair, dreamhack, hosts etc!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 17 2013 23:15 GMT
#657
And exactly WHY did dreamhack not the job to host the WCS again?
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Hemling
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden93 Posts
June 17 2013 23:17 GMT
#658
Nice tournament, wish i had time to watch more games!
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/246845/1/Hemligt/
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
June 17 2013 23:18 GMT
#659
great tourney, but .. bo5 in semis pls
21 is half the truth
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
June 17 2013 23:19 GMT
#660
great tourney, but .. bo5 in semis+quarters pls
21 is half the truth
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