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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Obviously it would be quite difficult to necessarily be in all of those games, but they could restream a "community" cast or NASL, or at least show a list of which games are on which other streams so that people if they want can find a game more easily. As it was it was just downtime/crowd cams for a while on the main stream when there were loads of games on. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On April 29 2013 00:48 Daumen wrote: I agree so much with that last part that I had to make it bigger. --- Also: about DreamHack: I rly liked Artosis this time, normally I dont rly like or dislike him, I see him as one of the top casters but at this Event he rly shined (for me) and was awesome, maybe it was the Apollo+Artosis combo? Im not sure, yet he was pure awesome that weekend! Artosis is very adeptive. When he casts with tasteless he usually goes with the random talk instead of talking about the actual game but with Apollo they were actually talking about scouting and such. Wish he was like that during GSL as well  | ||
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Gonzo103
Germany220 Posts
On April 29 2013 00:32 kafkaesque wrote: German crowds simply suck. It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm... I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion. It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football. i was in Hannover for Intel Extreme masters and i have to agree kind off! The crowd at the LoL event (same Hall) was awesome and was cheering for every team (only korean teams in finals)! German crowd is kind of lame but can be very cheerfull as well. So maybe its also a bit a Sc2-Thing. And yes Microphone setup is also very important. I wanted to write a long thread about that subject but i don´t have time and my english is way to bad for a good thread TT!! on Topic: event was crazy good, missed the couch though, and incontroll was very nervous and as always way to much downtime and lag-issues. everything else absolutely amazing. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums. If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger. | ||
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Delicious Insanity
Belgium841 Posts
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent. It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums. If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger. This is pretty much my only complaint. It was difficult finding a decent stream schedule. The website did provide times, but it was presented in a very poor format. 10:30 CEST RO16 Match 1 11:30 CEST RO16 Match 2 12:30 CEST RO16 Match 3 13:30 CEST RO16 Match 4 This way inconvenient and not helpful at all. A page listing what match, containing what players, at what hours and on what stream would have been awesome. This information was posted in a TL thread, but I can not understand why this information was nowhere on the DH website. I don't want to search on TL for this info, I want all the info on your DH website. Other than that, the tournament was amazing. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
On April 29 2013 01:36 TigerKarl wrote: This statement is so blatantly wrong, that it hurts me physically. Video game tournaments should not be held at expos, and ESL/IEM rightfully suffer for their stupidity to continue this, but pretending that german crowds are bad in general is amazingly ignorant. Look at LCS, where the german crowd actually gets excited because the production is good. SC2 has got really disappointing production quality, considering where it started in 2010 and where it SHOULD be by now. I wouln't get excited for the joke of a production that IEM events offer. But if you want to keep ignoring facts and come off as a racist douche, be my guest. Want to agree with you, the amount of unprofessional garbage that happens is pretty insane in 2013, the latest MLG and IEM being a example, or the SC2 tournaments STILL where streams randomly go down or mega-awkward stuff happens like inviting terrible casters to huge events. I don't watch much LoL or DOTA2 but never have I seen a stream go down... not that it hasn't happened, I haven't seen it. Anyway still gotta suffer a bit for your passion  | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
The only downside is between games, it wasnt written like next game in 1 hour or something like that. Day 1 was also really hard to follow, I usually like to watch korean vs korean or top foreigner vs korean and it was pretty hard to find thoses games... the interviews, music, gameheart, caster, everything else was really a success ! | ||
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Mathematics
Belgium35 Posts
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Tuczniak
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On April 29 2013 00:32 kafkaesque wrote: German crowds simply suck. It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm... I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion. It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football. I thought Wacken Open Air were some of the most fantastic concert festivals worldwide. :s | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent. It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums. If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger. I had no any problem with day1. There was so many streams and so much to watch. No matter if dh stream was offline, there were sereval other streamers. And these was even thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409604) what games comes. I could watch every game that I wanted... | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8735 Posts
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent. It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums. If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger. At first I was like "WUT is he babbling about?" having saturday's supreme stream quality, casting and production in mind. Then I took a deep breath and I have to agree, tournaments do rely too much on community sites like TL for example. For people already accustomed to this sort of "bad tradition" it was not all that bad, but if you want to grow esports even more I think that's a good start to improve quite a bit more and make it even more viewer friendly. Really have a coverage page and make it easy for people to select between games and the stream where they are being played. Also this time the timetable was not very helpful as already said. Apart from that I feel the second day was pretty much excellent - maybe the breaks were a bit too long between games but I also see that casters and players need their time. DH, you are already excellent. Strive for perfection! | ||
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phlebas
Germany60 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
And as others mentioned, my one complaint is the stream schedule... | ||
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Nineball
Norway163 Posts
Thank you, thank you very much! | ||
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baiesradu
Romania150 Posts
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent. It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums. If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger. I'm sorry but I really can't believe this is anything but devil's advocating and nit picking. I mean, who doesn't check a TL LR thread for info as their first point of call if they ever have any questions? It's pretty insulting to opterown to just ignore all the work he puts in. There is a reason the LR threads from the latest DreamHack got a combined view count of over a million. Skipping that point entirely there was also a schedule posted beneath the twitch tv stream, you simply had to scroll down, it's still there now. There was also a link ABOVE the stream to all Dreamhack Stockholm Open stream partners: http://www.twitch.tv/team/dreamhack Meanwhile it states quite clearly the stage show doesn't begin until Ro8 on the second day. | ||
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