Nicknames? Why? - Page 19

The Void

Germany428 Posts

November 22 2011 19:17 GMT

#361

Nicknames! just cuz!

maybe Nicknames + real names (just how they do it now)
but nicknames are just more important. nicknames are short, special and meaningful. realnames are just nothing in the firstplace just names.

and yeah i will see 1 foreigner (except artosis or whatever) who can remeber all the kor pros by their real names xD

even our pros are hard to remember.

Pzar

New Zealand46 Posts

November 22 2011 19:18 GMT

#362

On November 23 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:
tbh this whole thing about putting your whole life in internet is only beeen happening last few years

traditionally you dont put your info online because some sick bastard like me will get drunk one night and mess your life up.

anyway i prefer a nickname ... noone is called MrTortoise (except some asshole who sells them ... not anymore ...)... many many people have my full real name (all 3 names) because of when i was born.

In MUD's (moreso in certain codebases) in the 90's (and early 00's) knowing players by their real names was common. So it's really something that was phased out to become known by nicknames. If there were multiple people by the same name, you would either add 2. (or 3. etc) to the front of their name, or the first letter of their main character. (And to this day, I still confuse people telling them to spell my first name with a k) But it was still mostly common to use their rl name.

On November 23 2011 03:16 skeldark wrote:
I heared car racing is popular, every pro player should wear a helmet!

I'm starting to think this is a good idea if the tournament has any stairs. >.>

Personally, I think introductions should be in the form of name+nick. "Representing Evil Geniuses we have Greg 'IdrA' Fields" for example. As for the actual casting, I don't think it really matters as long as they're clear on who is who. (ie. they should probably just start calling major/cuteangel/terran/windy/etc/etc/etc Juan at this point, and possibly opt for real names if screen names are too similar).

It may only be a minor polish thing, but every small bit helps.

teeeckskay

United States58 Posts

November 22 2011 19:20 GMT

#363

For the most part, players choose their handles because that's what they want to be identified as—at least within that community—just like most other instances of people using aliases (i.e. musicians, actors, writers). There's no reason for your opinion on what they should be called to really matter at all, imo, if that's what they want.

Plus, when you're a professional athlete in the spotlight, there is no anonymity and I really don't think that's the point behind gamertags for eathletes at all. And so we have the majority of events using the "Sean 'Day[9]' Plott"-style signifiers, and that's best of both worlds anyways; if you want to know a player's real name, you've got it. But the handle is their actual identifier in this context because that's what it was chosen for and in addition it's more succinct in casts and ties into the culture that is the main audience for esports.

Saying that all eathletes should be called only by their legal names because that's what football fans are used to is as silly as saying that all football players should be assigned gamertags if the NFL wants gamers to watch football. Regardless of whether the non-gamer demographic is bigger than the competitive gaming crowd, gamers are still the primary demographic that esports caters (and should cater) to. Most of us want esports to grow, not for esports to change into sports, I think.

Rekatan

United States172 Posts

November 22 2011 19:21 GMT

#364

The culture will catch up. We use nicknames because that's how it's been for the entire history of gaming, to deviate now would be pretty silly. 10-20 years from now when Esports are on basic cable or perhaps even network television, no one will think twice about someone's nickname being used.

ishboh

United States954 Posts

November 22 2011 19:21 GMT

#365

I like to call people by the identity they choose for themselves, not by the name their parents chose for them.

but seriously, it adds a whole awesome level to gaming, no one wants to call people by their real names because that's boring.

bobobby999

United States23 Posts

November 22 2011 19:39 GMT

#366

I would just like to mention that Korea does use ID for the pro Tekken league.

On the other hand, I feel that using real names would give players more of a celebrity status which may help spread esports

GOML

Canada9 Posts

November 22 2011 20:39 GMT

#367

Something to think about is how we attach names to people. When you meet someone for the first time you learn their name and you attach it to what they look like and maybe some small piece of information about them. Later on you recognize them by what they look like drawing on the connection from name to face. Whereas in Starcraft it is common to see someone play without any idea what they look like. But you learn how they play the game and some of their mannerisms. This makes it easy to attach an ID to the style of play.

To those who are saying that Koreans call the players by their real names and not their IDs makes sense because almost all BW in Korea is done live and broadcasted on TV. So there is almost always a face to attribute to the name allowing the connection to be made.

Whereas in the MLG this weekend i heard about Illusion for the first time. I never saw a picture of him or found out his name but I now know to look out for that name in the future. Maybe once he plays some matches on stage I will find out his name and then be able to connect a name to a face.

In conclusion I think that using IDs makes a lot more sense for now while we might not see the faces of all the players. But if Starcraft grows enough that we are always given a face to attach to the player we are watching then I think the switch will happen and real names will become the norm but not before then. (and some IDs are so much cooler than real names)

Awesomeness

Germany1361 Posts

November 22 2011 20:55 GMT

#368

Elky is still called Elky in the poker-world.

This is just how e-Sports works in the west and it won't change anytime soon and I'm glad it won't.

Bippzy

United States1466 Posts

November 22 2011 20:55 GMT

#369

I return to this thread to make a point: if we want real names, what do we suggest to do with the usernames? Leave them? Or make pros change it to their real names? I don't think battle net would really add a real name option for privacys sake.

Also, if you want to be professional in front of non nerds, i think neither chris loranger nor huk is suitable. Its gotta be Chris "Huk" Loranger

aznagent

Hong Kong166 Posts

November 22 2011 21:09 GMT

#370

Some people are mistaking Nick Names with something else...

A nick name is something someone else gives you that identifies you... ie) the emperor for Lim Yo Hwan...

Lim Yo Hwan calls himself slayers boxers as his gaming tag...

His real name is Lim Yo Hwan, he did not choose to be called the emperor,

If a player has a nickname because a mass of people decide to identify him/her as such, then I think that's acceptable, otherwise a real name seems more fitting

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

November 22 2011 21:14 GMT

#371

The number 1 rule of nicknames is you cant make up your own I thought?

idk i think going by gamertags is stupid

mEatBucket

Sweden45 Posts

November 22 2011 21:21 GMT

#372

I agree, real names should be used (or a mix) by casters.

AnachronisticAnarchy

United States2957 Posts

November 22 2011 21:21 GMT

#373

The nicknames are far easier to remember. I think the real names are better for.. how do I put this.. respect, I guess. If you know the guy as a cool person and not just for sick forcefields or something, the real names are better.
Either way, I think they're interchangeable based on the situation.

Divergence

Canada363 Posts

November 22 2011 21:21 GMT

#374

It's our culture.

It may seem dumb, it may seem silly, but it's just the way we have always done things. Nicknames are just a part of gaming. They are there naturally because everyone plays under a nickname online. Obviously this doesn't apply to sports where you use you real name because you play in person.

In the future I predict a slow switch taking place where people start to get known solely by their full name. But nicknames will always play an important role in games.

Awesomeness

Germany1361 Posts

November 22 2011 21:24 GMT

#375

Wtihout looking at TLPD, how many of this names would you recognize?

Jeong Jong Hyeon, Moon Sung Won, Yoon Young Suh, Lee Won Pyo, Lim Jae Duk, Park Soo Ho, Kim Sang Jun, Jung Ji Hoon, Koh Byung Jae, Choi Ji Sung?

And it's not only about Koreans. Who are those guys?:

Marcus Eklöf, Juan Carlos Tena Lopez, Mihaylo Hayda, Grzesiek Komincz, Johan Lucchesi, Sascha Lupp, Dmytro Filipchuk, Eugin Oparyshev, Silviu Lazar

Kevan

Sweden2303 Posts

November 22 2011 21:25 GMT

#376

Just use both. Nicknames because that's part of the gaming culture and real names because it sounds better to outsiders.

BlindSC2

United Kingdom435 Posts

November 22 2011 21:37 GMT

#377

I'd like to see a shorthand nickname while the players are in-game, and for casters to use that while in-game. 'And here comes HuK with some zealots at the third!' just sounds better to me than 'And here comes Chris with some zealots at the third!'

Out of game, like in interviews, introductions and what-not, they would use their real name

That I think is the way to go

EDIT: I suppose you could say I'm looking for the distinction between the 'character' in the game and the person controlling that character to be greater. HuK the SC2 pro, Chris the person

(just using HuK/Chris as an obvious example)

[17]Purple

United Kingdom3489 Posts

November 22 2011 21:37 GMT

#378

The word nicknames seems really inappropriate as it refers to the names given by the fans to the player (and sometimes commentators) such as Gracken, Terran Emperor, Storm Zerg, Game Genie Terran, and such and such.

What you are refering to are their gaming ID which would be IdrA ,SlayerSBoxer, YelloW, Mvp. The reason why this is so prevelant is simply because of gaming culture as gamers have grown accustomed to this method of identification as it allows them to gain an extra sense of individuality amongst their gaming peers. Culture is also something not easily erased as even today we have such a vast array of cultures spread throughout the world that some seems stranger than others.

I doubt that we would also need a shift towards using real names to add legitimacy to our passion because as the modern day has show, we are shifting towards a more internet-centric culture and it is very unlikely that we would shift to older mannerisms anytime soon.

RoboBob

United States798 Posts

November 22 2011 22:18 GMT

#379

I gotta go with nicknames. Yes "real sports" use proper names. But I believe that's because most sports are team games. You already have creative labels such as "The Bears" "The Bulls" to apply to each side of the playing field. So you can talk about "Manchester's defense" collectively and it makes sense.

But in SC2 it doesn't make sense to say "EG's Mutalisk harassment is amazing" because there's a huge difference between Machine, LZGamer, and Idra's play. That's why we talk about "Idra's Mutalisk harassment" instead of "EG's Mutalisk harassment" or "Greg Field's Mutalisk harassment"

Ahrun

United States100 Posts

November 22 2011 22:22 GMT

#380

I think that it is okay to use both, it can make the players feel like one of us, one of the community if we use their real name. But other times it is out of place because they aren't well known as a big community person. Think about it, sometimes the casters call IdrA, Greg, that's perfectly acceptable, IdrA is widely known throughout the community as Greg Fields, however take maybe Kiwikaki, did you know that his name is Jonathan Garneau? Most people probably don't. Here it would be more appropriate to call him Kiwikaki. It's all relevant to the situation kind of. So ya my little spiel.

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