tbh this whole thing about putting your whole life in internet is only beeen happening last few years
traditionally you dont put your info online because some sick bastard like me will get drunk one night and mess your life up.
anyway i prefer a nickname ... noone is called MrTortoise (except some asshole who sells them ... not anymore ...)... many many people have my full real name (all 3 names) because of when i was born.
Names are labels given to you ... nicknames reflect something about their owner as they are created by their owner usually.
Online country is only relelvant because of latency and language. Your given name is very closley linked to your country of origin. The internet is all about having no boundaries (contrary to the noobs who want to censor everything that makes them cry) I find Nick names work better for that.
It means you can be in a clan with a little racist white guy with a somalian and nobody has any idea. Was absolutley hilarious when we all discovered where we were from after 4 years of playing together. We all knew where we lived ... but not histories, race etc.
I agree that the nick name thing is wierd ... however i totally agree with abstracting / encapsulating away from your real identity. People do not understand security enough and have no respect for their own information. Nick names at least add a layer of protection and amusement to everything. I guess most people either have nothing to lose ... or do not value what they have very highly.
As Day9 said: Day9 and Sean Plott are not the same.
Imo they shouldnt be either. The sort of psychologicalization the casters and not to mention the community does all the time, should be about the player, not the person.
Nick names all the way. Maybe when I am getting paid millions of dollars to perform infront of the world then I would like my Real Name. Until then nick names make it more fun. The real names will make it mainstream is bullshit and one of the most over used words these days "mainstream this, mainstream that". Best way to do it on paper is John "Kralic" Doe. That is my opinion so it is right and wrong! Oh noes.
On November 23 2011 02:59 Lassepetri wrote: As Day9 said: Day9 and Sean Plott are not the same.
Imo they shouldnt be either. The sort of psychologicalization the casters and not to mention the community does all the time, should be about the player, not the person.
That wasn't his point, he was talking about private life and work, he can be Sean Plott privately and another Sean Plott at work.
On November 23 2011 00:52 Roggay wrote: It's a gamer tradition to have nicknames and be called by them, and there is nothing wrong with it. That's actually a very good thing, because its much easier to remember a lot of nicknames than a lot of real names.
This argument of "if we want sc2 to go mainstream, we need to get rid of nicknames" is stupid to begin with. We absolutely don't need to get rid of a really important tradition just for the sake of "going mainstream", it will not help in the slightest.
Nicknames are considered childish in the real world. It's not a really important tradition, it's merely something people on the internet choose to hide behind because they're afraid to use their real identity. I'm not pro everything facebook, but that is something they did very well: by forcing people to use their real names (if they want to be taken seriously) they're also forcing them to behave like they would in real life, instead of like made-up persona.
If you want people to look upon the starcraft scene as a mature, professional competitive gaming scene, in a culture where the words "mature" and "gaming" are considered contraditions, you have to behave as mature, professional people, even if it means sacrificing some "traditions."
I just want to call a serious bullshit on that one. Nicknames are not considered childish at all.
You are just stating your opinion in a very parental way. Saying 'oh grow up' ... it wasnt too long ago that people referred to each other almost exclusivley by their sirname and using first name was very informal ... thats changed. It is a conversation I had with my grandparents recently actually ... when i mentioned that ther are people i know in real life that i actually refer to using their online name they were astonished. There is nothing absolute. As an aside one thing that really amuses me watching eastern films is subtiltles that reverses the order of names so that they have family name last like in english. I really like that the family name comes first for them.
nicknames are a way of creating a group and a belonging to a group in real life. As for facebook and things ... its really easy *still* to get email addresses that are not connected to anyone at all.
The only reason why gaming and mature are not together is because of the generations above mine (40 ish stopped playing games after the speccy) and this whole online gaming thing was really new to my generation (im in 30's). In 10 years it will be my generation that is running things, and we dont think games are immature. Most gamers know that games are a way of competing but also serve as exercises in learning how to learn and master things. I don't think any other generation in the history of mankind has more experience in learning new things, exploiting them and generally owning noobs.
I know that if half the teenagers on this forum got jobs as balance designers they would have a crapton of experience to draw from. I can't wait to see how approaches to designing rule sets for games evolve over the next 20 years.
Anyone under 30 has it great imo ... i wish there were communities liek this when i was playing q and q2. I could of got paid to quit computer science.
On November 23 2011 02:59 Lassepetri wrote: As Day9 said: Day9 and Sean Plott are not the same.
Imo they shouldnt be either. The sort of psychologicalization the casters and not to mention the community does all the time, should be about the player, not the person.
That's just another way of saying that the way you act in a game or in your professional life is not the same as when you're with your friends. It isn't a unique reason to have nicknames in SC2 competitions. NFL casters go by their real names and I'm sure that they act differently in person.
Personally I do think it's a little weird. I understand why players have nicknames but why commentators? Mr. Bitter? Catspajamas? I always thought it would make more sense for them to go by their real names, and yes I'm sure it does seem particularly odd to outsiders.
On November 23 2011 02:59 Lassepetri wrote: As Day9 said: Day9 and Sean Plott are not the same.
Imo they shouldnt be either. The sort of psychologicalization the casters and not to mention the community does all the time, should be about the player, not the person.
That wasn't his point, he was talking about private life and work, he can be Sean Plott privately and another Sean Plott at work.
My point still stands. This is about private life and work for professional players. Its my interpretation, that players dont shed their nicks because they want to keep a distance between whats private and what is business.
What people think they know about players through community-gossip, casters rambling and watching their respective streams might have nothing to do with the person in private at all.
On November 23 2011 03:08 Vul wrote: That's just another way of saying that the way you act in a game or in your professional life is not the same as when you're with your friends. It isn't a unique reason to have nicknames in SC2 competitions. NFL casters go by their real names and I'm sure that they act differently in person.
Personally I do think it's a little weird. I understand why players have nicknames but why commentators? Mr. Bitter? Catspajamas? I always thought it would make more sense for them to go by their real names, and yes I'm sure it does seem particularly odd to outsiders.
It very much is another way of saying exactly that. However nicknames havebeen implemented in games throughout competitive gaming history. Refering to players by nicks is a part of the very discourse that is online gaming. This is not the case with NFL, baseball or the like.
As for the casternames. They dont pick a name for the sake of casting, i believe its just their gaming-nicks reused?
To reiterate. This is my interpretation. I personally wouldn't want to use my real name online when playing (any of you remember the wow-incident, where they wanted to use real names on forums? Didnt go so well, did it) and I sure as hell aint near being a professional in regards of gaming. To my knowledge its only Tyler who uses his real name as his actual nickname. If proplayers shared the view of such names being silly, they are free to use their birthname, are they not?
I heared car racing is popular, every pro player should wear a helmet! Also some people in professional sport don't like computers. To be more popular we should play without them.
Why are so many people think that something mainstream makes you professional? Its like the suit. Not the suit or the tshirt makes you professional, Its all about how you do, what you do. If you are a professional wrestler, well spoken comments are very unprofessional...
They have already tried once with playing with their names in Counter Strike way back. It was CPL 2003 and continued on for a while longer at least for SK.
DJwheat is casting it by the way. Despite all teams having their family names in their nick the casters always default to call the swedish team for their gaming handles like Potti,spawn and etc. However while family names was the easiest to use in CS it wouldn't work in Starcraft because of all Kim's, Lee's and Park's. I just think casters would continue using players handles because usually it's easier for them. They would most likely butcher "Ingermarsson" instead of just saying "Potti" but on the other hand sports commentators in other sports just rolls with it and everything is fine.
Well, I know koreans use real names and you can't really compare football players to sc2 players because they haven't exactly gone around and said to every caster "call me Potato" or w/e they want to be called.
Real names may help people connect with the players better, but I have never really thought "man, if i know his name he would totally be cooler to watch".
On November 23 2011 00:52 Roggay wrote: It's a gamer tradition to have nicknames and be called by them, and there is nothing wrong with it. That's actually a very good thing, because its much easier to remember a lot of nicknames than a lot of real names.
This argument of "if we want sc2 to go mainstream, we need to get rid of nicknames" is stupid to begin with. We absolutely don't need to get rid of a really important tradition just for the sake of "going mainstream", it will not help in the slightest.
Nicknames are considered childish in the real world. It's not a really important tradition, it's merely something people on the internet choose to hide behind because they're afraid to use their real identity. I'm not pro everything facebook, but that is something they did very well: by forcing people to use their real names (if they want to be taken seriously) they're also forcing them to behave like they would in real life, instead of like made-up persona.
If you want people to look upon the starcraft scene as a mature, professional competitive gaming scene, in a culture where the words "mature" and "gaming" are considered contraditions, you have to behave as mature, professional people, even if it means sacrificing some "traditions."
You missed the last couple of years. Internet is too big to give a fuck what 'real world' considers what. It's newspapers and TV shows who are trying to be assimilated into online culture not the other way around.
everyone who says we should use nicknames because sc2 is just a video game is blinded. SC2 is not just a video game just as basketball or soccer are not "just" sports. These are competetive activities and there is no reason to not use real names. I understand that it would be hard to memorize all the names of the koreans- or even all the western players, but hey- its part of following the scene right?
I think using real names would be a step in the right direction to going mainstream!
Honestly, they should give real life sport players distinct nicknames in the beginning. Hell, if Beckham was refered to as PinkStriker44, that would clear up alot!
Image is a huge part of being an (e-)sports celebrity and a nick name is self chosen and can convey a certain feel and image about a person.
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