On November 15 2011 13:35 Clefairy wrote: Mr Chae's official statement: Hello this is Mr Chae.
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However, even if it is a tournament that does not award GSL Code A seeds, the use of profanities in a broadcast with many viewers and a blatant disregard for competition cannot be ignored by the GSL.
This statement by Mr. Chae sets a bad precent indeed... will GOM now monitor all tournaments to see if anyone in the GSL has violated the ban on profanities or have blatantly disregarded competitiveness? Does this mean Idra will be banned as well or is the start of that policy from now onwards??
Love the quickness of the response by GOM, but I'm a bit more leery of the content therein.
Does Idra actually say fuck you to people he's facing at tourneys? I don't remember him doing that.
What about the time he gave Huk the finger :D?
Or MC. Or that time in IPL2 when MaNa crushed him?
I don't think any punishment is too harsh if the culprits were stupid enough to type their evil plans into the public channel (This to me is the biggest shocker of the story). Maybe they'll learn to play fair, or just not get caught.
On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote: Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans.
Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional.
aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time?
the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better?
Whats with the smugness in your post?
Those kids are 17 and 18. And how do you teach people that there are consequences to their actions? By making them live through the consequences. And how this is hampering their improvement? They didn't get kicked out of their teams, only a few unreasonable humans are the ones wanting to see them crucified(see the posts that say the punishment was not enough)
If anything it seems you are the one angry at life here lol. Jessica, boxer and gerard are not their parents, they are the team managers, they have to respond to their sponsors and to their fans, if one of the members of their team act in a way to embarass their organizations they have all the right in the world to punish them. Punishment may be harsh, but crucifying? Not really
18 isn't a 'kid' anymore, to add to that.
18 is old enough to be drafted in Korea.
Age is not an excuse here.
Did you read my post? because thats what I was saying lol
Yeah I was agreeing with you, hence why I said 'to add to that' :o
On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote: Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans.
Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional.
aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time?
the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better?
Whats with the smugness in your post?
Those kids are 17 and 18. And how do you teach people that there are consequences to their actions? By making them live through the consequences. And how this is hampering their improvement? They didn't get kicked out of their teams, only a few unreasonable humans are the ones wanting to see them crucified(see the posts that say the punishment was not enough)
If anything it seems you are the one angry at life here lol. Jessica, boxer and gerard are not their parents, they are the team managers, they have to respond to their sponsors and to their fans, if one of the members of their team act in a way to embarass their organizations they have all the right in the world to punish them. Punishment may be harsh, but crucifying? Not really
18 isn't a 'kid' anymore, to add to that.
18 is old enough to be drafted in Korea.
Age is not an excuse here.
Did you read my post? because thats what I was saying lol
I couldn't disagree more. I made countless mistakes at age 18, even into my early 20s. I suppose you guys were ministers by then.
It's old enough to take responsibility (which they are doing); it's young enough to make it semi-understandable. Jesus, did you guys ever have fun or get into trouble?
There's a huge difference between 'never had fun' and 'does not cheat in professional sports'. Comparing the two is hilariously fallacious.
Do you call forfeit cheating? Because pretty much everybody forfeits when they have busy schedules, which is the case here. The manner of doing it was disrespectful to the Korean Weekly -> so they both got ban from the Weekly until January, which is fair. Anything beyond that seems pretty unnecessary, especially the Code S withdrawal.
Not the first time this has happened and won't be the last either. Most pro's aren't at the age of maturity and considering there are no strict rules right across the board these issues will continue to persist.
This is why every professional sport has a governing body that will investigate and punish players accordingly.
It's one thing to punish your own players and have the community up in arms. It's entirely different when the iron fist of authority comes crashing down on you.
Boxer and Jessica have an image to maintain not only of excellence but of integrity. I applaud the move. It's not like they kicked him out of SlayerS completely, which they very well could have.
Coca will be back, and hopefully will have learned something.
On November 16 2011 09:15 KimJongIlJr wrote: Boxer and Jessica have an image to maintain not only of excellence but of integrity. I applaud the move. It's not like they kicked him out of SlayerS completely, which they very well could have.
Coca will be back, and hopefully will have learned something.
Exactly how i feel. I don't think either player will be banned per say. Just some time alone.
On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote: Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans.
Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional.
aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time?
the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better?
Whats with the smugness in your post?
Those kids are 17 and 18. And how do you teach people that there are consequences to their actions? By making them live through the consequences. And how this is hampering their improvement? They didn't get kicked out of their teams, only a few unreasonable humans are the ones wanting to see them crucified(see the posts that say the punishment was not enough)
If anything it seems you are the one angry at life here lol. Jessica, boxer and gerard are not their parents, they are the team managers, they have to respond to their sponsors and to their fans, if one of the members of their team act in a way to embarass their organizations they have all the right in the world to punish them. Punishment may be harsh, but crucifying? Not really
18 isn't a 'kid' anymore, to add to that.
18 is old enough to be drafted in Korea.
Age is not an excuse here.
Did you read my post? because thats what I was saying lol
Yeah I was agreeing with you, hence why I said 'to add to that' :o
On November 16 2011 05:51 IPA wrote:
On November 16 2011 05:48 windsupernova wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:01 Dfgj wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:42 windsupernova wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote: Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans.
Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional.
aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time?
the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better?
Whats with the smugness in your post?
Those kids are 17 and 18. And how do you teach people that there are consequences to their actions? By making them live through the consequences. And how this is hampering their improvement? They didn't get kicked out of their teams, only a few unreasonable humans are the ones wanting to see them crucified(see the posts that say the punishment was not enough)
If anything it seems you are the one angry at life here lol. Jessica, boxer and gerard are not their parents, they are the team managers, they have to respond to their sponsors and to their fans, if one of the members of their team act in a way to embarass their organizations they have all the right in the world to punish them. Punishment may be harsh, but crucifying? Not really
18 isn't a 'kid' anymore, to add to that.
18 is old enough to be drafted in Korea.
Age is not an excuse here.
Did you read my post? because thats what I was saying lol
I couldn't disagree more. I made countless mistakes at age 18, even into my early 20s. I suppose you guys were ministers by then.
It's old enough to take responsibility (which they are doing); it's young enough to make it semi-understandable. Jesus, did you guys ever have fun or get into trouble?
There's a huge difference between 'never had fun' and 'does not cheat in professional sports'. Comparing the two is hilariously fallacious.
Do you call forfeit cheating? Because pretty much everybody forfeits when they have busy schedules, which is the case here. The manner of doing it was disrespectful to the Korean Weekly -> so they both got ban from the Weekly until January, which is fair. Anything beyond that seems pretty unnecessary, especially the Code S withdrawal.
Is this confirmed? The OP set it out as forfeiting for the main aim of giving Byun the win, rather than letting Byun have the win for the main aim of not being able to compete. If Coca was playing the games, clearly his schedule was not an issue, no?
Obviously the intent and primary goal of forfeiting determines whether it is cheating - whether you want your opponent to win, or merely allow it to happen.
You guys really think that this is CoCa and Byun fault? The fault here is from the tournament rules, just do like MLG, if 1st already have his spot the second will get it and no one will drop games or play poorly because of this, if just money was on the line i bet that nothing would happen.
BTW, i'm going to post this video again:
This can happen everytime when friends or teamates meet, even if it is against the rules or the rules try to avoid any situation where loosing isn't bad for one of the players.
Very interesting. CoCa and Byun must have not agreed before the match to fix it to let Byun win or else they wouldn't have said anything about it in game. It is not a good thing to do considering the number of fans that tune in and the quality of entertainment that they expect to get. I am glad that he has been banned from the tournament, but was eliminating him from the middle of a Code S tournament really necessary? all of his work up to this point to win in the tournament is now pointless.
On November 16 2011 09:32 Kresnik02 wrote: You guys really think that this is CoCa and Byun fault? The fault here is from the tournament rules, just do like MLG, if 1st already have his spot the second will get it and no one will drop games or play poorly because of this, if just money was on the line i bet that nothing would happen.
This can happen everytime when friends or teamates meet, even if it is against the rules or the rules try to avoid any situation where loosing isn't bad for one of the players.
There are more variables in play (namely the racers on the grid at the same time) in racing thus it's harder to regulate and what you described is common practice. The racers work moreso as a team on the track. Yes, individual accomplishment is the overarching goal, but by the same token they are working together with their teammates on the track to increase their chances of placing high. It's a little bit different in race sports and like I said before it's common practice to set pace.
Without any hard evidence its hard to bring any athlete to justice. That's why there are governing bodies in professional sports to facilitate change and investigate any corruption.
The more barriers you place in front of the athletes the less likely they'll try to cheat the system.
On November 16 2011 06:46 zmansman17 wrote: This is all over reddit as well.
I'm not sold on any course of action.
I understand that Coca and Byung were "fighting" for a Code A spot, but that there was no need for Coca to win, as he already secured a Code S spot. Byung, however had the most to benefit and indeed, went on to win the 3rd game and beat Coca.
What's not fair here is that the integrity of the Code A spot, a highly covetable spot, has been compromised.
Is it fair that Byung and Coca receive such harsh punishments....
I'm not sure.
Is being young and ignorant enough of an excuse to insulate them from a harsh punishment?
These are indeed tough questions
There was no code A spot to win and no gains to be made from winning or losing.
That didn't say that there wouldn't be a Code A spot for this event, it said that they were still in negotiations to determine if there would be a Code A spot for this event due to possible format changes of the GSL.
On November 16 2011 02:15 figq wrote: IMO, the proper measure was just the Korean Weekly to ban Coca and Byun until January (which is exactly what they did - and big props to Diamond for not overreacting -- he's The Man), and that's enough. The two young players in poor judgement showed some disrespect to this growing tournament. They should get their punishment from the tournament itself.
But since at the moment there wasn't even a secure Code A slot at stake (still negotiating how and if to fit with the new GSL format, check Mr. Chae's statement), the GSL and the teams should not have involved themselves in the matter with such extreme measures. Especially not throwing away Coca's Code S spot. I actually plead to ESV if by now they feel redeemed for the damage done to them, to kindly ask SlayerS to rethink their reaction towards Coca. I'm fairly certain both players did not intend to disrespect the tournament, and after today they've already learned their lesson to not stir such kind of unnecessary drama again. (next time when you are too busy with scheduling, just announce forfeit, like many have done)
Slayers reaction was correct. They did it for team integrity. They shown a clear message bot to the community and the sponsors - We do what the public wants us to do, because public opinion, politics and being liked is very important to us, even though we may have seriously hurt someone's career and unilaterally prevented him from making hundreds to thousands of dollars in potential earnings. . Coca have been demoted to the team B (only team A stays in the team house) so leaving team house was a given. I think in the beginning of next year Coca would be allowed to redeem himself and will be allowed to play in some tournament - maybe even ESV to get back into team A and back into code A/S (dunno if he would be dropped into code B after this season)
On November 16 2011 09:32 Kresnik02 wrote: You guys really think that this is CoCa and Byun fault? The fault here is from the tournament rules, just do like MLG, if 1st already have his spot the second will get it and no one will drop games or play poorly because of this, if just money was on the line i bet that nothing would happen.
This can happen everytime when friends or teamates meet, even if it is against the rules or the rules try to avoid any situation where loosing isn't bad for one of the players.
There are more variables in play (namely the racers on the grid at the same time) in racing thus it's harder to regulate and what you described is common practice. The racers work moreso as a team on the track. Yes, individual accomplishment is the overarching goal, but by the same token they are working together with their teammates on the track to increase their chances of placing high. It's a little bit different in race sports and like I said before it's common practice to set pace.
Without any hard evidence its hard to bring any athlete to justice. That's why there are governing bodies in professional sports to facilitate change and investigate any corruption.
The more barriers you place in front of the athletes the less likely they'll try to cheat the system.
I do believe that is wrong to forge matches or results for the benefit of something. But, like i said, as long as the system encourage this kind of stuff it will happen.
The key isn't just punishment, its fixing the rules. And, BTW, as far as i understand CoCa played everything for real, until the point he had won the game for a fact and Byun asked for the help. I really don't see all that problem.
On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote: Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans.
Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional.
aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time?
the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better?
Whats with the smugness in your post?
Those kids are 17 and 18. And how do you teach people that there are consequences to their actions? By making them live through the consequences. And how this is hampering their improvement? They didn't get kicked out of their teams, only a few unreasonable humans are the ones wanting to see them crucified(see the posts that say the punishment was not enough)
If anything it seems you are the one angry at life here lol. Jessica, boxer and gerard are not their parents, they are the team managers, they have to respond to their sponsors and to their fans, if one of the members of their team act in a way to embarass their organizations they have all the right in the world to punish them. Punishment may be harsh, but crucifying? Not really
18 isn't a 'kid' anymore, to add to that.
18 is old enough to be drafted in Korea.
Age is not an excuse here.
Did you read my post? because thats what I was saying lol
Yeah I was agreeing with you, hence why I said 'to add to that' :o
On November 16 2011 05:51 IPA wrote:
On November 16 2011 05:48 windsupernova wrote:
On November 16 2011 04:01 Dfgj wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:42 windsupernova wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote: Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans.
Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional.
aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time?
the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better?
Whats with the smugness in your post?
Those kids are 17 and 18. And how do you teach people that there are consequences to their actions? By making them live through the consequences. And how this is hampering their improvement? They didn't get kicked out of their teams, only a few unreasonable humans are the ones wanting to see them crucified(see the posts that say the punishment was not enough)
If anything it seems you are the one angry at life here lol. Jessica, boxer and gerard are not their parents, they are the team managers, they have to respond to their sponsors and to their fans, if one of the members of their team act in a way to embarass their organizations they have all the right in the world to punish them. Punishment may be harsh, but crucifying? Not really
18 isn't a 'kid' anymore, to add to that.
18 is old enough to be drafted in Korea.
Age is not an excuse here.
Did you read my post? because thats what I was saying lol
I couldn't disagree more. I made countless mistakes at age 18, even into my early 20s. I suppose you guys were ministers by then.
It's old enough to take responsibility (which they are doing); it's young enough to make it semi-understandable. Jesus, did you guys ever have fun or get into trouble?
There's a huge difference between 'never had fun' and 'does not cheat in professional sports'. Comparing the two is hilariously fallacious.
Do you call forfeit cheating? Because pretty much everybody forfeits when they have busy schedules, which is the case here. The manner of doing it was disrespectful to the Korean Weekly -> so they both got ban from the Weekly until January, which is fair. Anything beyond that seems pretty unnecessary, especially the Code S withdrawal.
Is this confirmed? The OP set it out as forfeiting for the main aim of giving Byun the win, rather than letting Byun have the win for the main aim of not being able to compete. If Coca was playing the games, clearly his schedule was not an issue, no?
Obviously the intent and primary goal of forfeiting determines whether it is cheating - whether you want your opponent to win, or merely allow it to happen.
I'll repost the quotes again. Coca was using this tournament environment to practice vs Terran (Byun is Terran), but the next opponent was Protoss anyway, and Coca had to focus on his all-Terran GSL group. He forfeited game 2 which he undeniably won (no pretense, no attempt to act like losing it - he just gg and leave after clearly winning) - in order to play a 3rd game vs Byun. That allows him one more ZvT game experience as preparation. He could have just forfeited the whole match, and they could have just not sent the replays, treating them as custom practice between them, and nobody would have said anything bad about it, as players forfeit all the time due to busy schedule. They disrespected the Korean Weekly by sending the replays, and assuming it won't be such a big deal that Coca openly forfeits and the games are essentially more like a training session. But either way, if Coca didn't play at all, Byun would have advanced anyway, so it didn't matter. As viewers, most of us enjoyed their play, because it was entirely competitive, with the difference that Coca gg'd and left in the end of game 2 after winning it, demanding a 3rd game.
Mr Chae's official statement: Hello this is Mr Chae.
ESV TV is a foreign tournament that formed a partnership with the GSL and awarded players with GSL Nov. Code A seeds. However a partnership has not been confirmed for the GSL's first season of Code A in 2012, and we are still negotiating with ESV TV at the moment (this is because we are gathering feedback from all the teams on the GSL format during this Nov. season so any changes in format for 2012 may not accommodate a partnership).
However, even if it is a tournament that does not award GSL Code A seeds, the use of profanities in a broadcast with many viewers and a blatant disregard for competition cannot be ignored by the GSL.
We are unable to make a decision on the punishment yet based on only screenshots and the community. Therefore, we will be asking Prime and SlayerS about the situation and what further action should be taken.
The consequences that the players will need to face will be announced as soon as possible after the situation has been assessed.
On November 15 2011 13:43 Tanatos wrote: Full translation
슬레이어스가 ESV TV 코리안 위클리 시즌4 ‘고의 패배’ 사건에 대해 공식 사과하고 최종환을 집으로 돌려보냈다. Team SlayerS apologize about what happen to Coca's 'match fixing' during the ESV TV Korean Weekly S4 and send Coca back to home.
슬레이어스 김가연 게임단주는 “슬레이어스에 소속된 선수가 온라인 대회에서 고의 패배로 물의를 일으켜 죄송하다”고 말한 뒤 “이번 사건은 대회의 규모나 경기의 중요도에 관계없이 e스포츠 팬들에게 오해를 줄 수 있는 명백한 실수다. 팀 소속 선수에 대한 관리가 부족했던 것을 반성하고, 앞으로는 절대로 이런 일이 재발하지 않도록 노력하겠다”고 말했다.
Manager SlayerSJessica said, "I am sorry about what happen to one of SlayerS member during the online tournament." "This is complete mistake from us to e-sports fans to cause misundertanding with no matter of importance nor size of tournament. I regret about reckless management and I will work hard to prevent such an incident ever again."
임요환 역시 “과거 승부조작 파문이 어떤 결과를 초래했는지 모두 알고 있다. 비록 온라인에서 진행된 일이라고 할지라도 선수로서 절대 해선 안될 일을 저지른 것”이라고 말한 뒤 “팀의 맏형으로서 사과 드리고, 이번 사건이 얼마나 나쁜 일인지 선수들에게 인지시키고 더 멋진 경기를 보여드릴 수 있도록 노력하겠다”고 덧붙였다.
Boxer also said, "We all know what result match fix scandal has caused. Even in online tournament, this is a non-exceptable matter as progamer." "I apologize as big brother of the team, and I will remind how terrible it is to other players, and we will work hard to show you better games."
슬레이어스는 이번 사건의 책임을 물어 최종환을 2군으로 강등시키고 집으로 귀가 시켰다. 또한, 자숙과 반성의 의미로 앞으로 펼쳐지는 국내외 모든 스타2 대회에 최종환을 출전시키지 않는다고 말했다. 슬레이어스의 이번 징계는 무기한 조치이며, 최종환이 대회에 출전할 수 있는 상황이 됐다고 판단했을 때 복귀할 수 있다.
SlayerS asked responsiblity of this incident to Coca and place him to B team and set him home. Also, by the meaning of self-reflect, SlayerS will ban Coca to any Starcraft 2 matches inside of Korea and rest of the world. This decision is for an indefinite period, and Coca will be back to SC2 when he is ready.
사건의 당사자인 최종환은 반성의 의미로 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S를 기권했다. 최종환은 이번 사건의 책임을 통감하고 스스로 코드S 잔여경기 출전을 포기하고 자숙하기로 결정했다. 이에 따라 최종환은 오는 16일 열리는 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S 16강 C조 경기에 출전하지 않는다.
Coca has forfeit the GSL Nov. Code S for meaning of self-reflect. Coca himself has felt responsible to this incident and forfeit the rest of matches. So, Coca will not be on GSL Code S RO16 Group C match on 16th.
한편, 곰TV는 커뮤니티 공지를 통해 이번 사건에 대한 공식입장을 발표했다. 채정원 팀장은 ESV TV와 GSL의 연계와 관련된 내용을 설명하고, 공식적인 확인 절차가 끝난 뒤 선수들에 대한 징계나 처벌에 대해 공식 발표하겠다고 밝혔다.
GomTV has announced their official comment on community board. Mr. Chae has explained relationship between ESV TV and GSL. After their official comfirmation, discipline action on players will be announced.
On November 15 2011 16:11 anrimayu wrote: Here's the chat log in question. I omitted parts that are irrelevant.
1:00 C: i'll let you win B: fuck off.
3:48 B: fuck, you said you'll let me win C: I have to practice, there's 3 Ts in my group ... C: I'm here just because I don't have other Ts to practice B: Next opponent is P, so just forfeit B: Where's your teams T? C: G-star event
26:20, Coca at 150pop 4 mining bases to Byun's 45pop 0 mining base B: fuck, get out, fuck fuck C: I forfeit B: let's do game 3 too C: gg *leaves the game
On November 16 2011 09:32 Kresnik02 wrote: You guys really think that this is CoCa and Byun fault? The fault here is from the tournament rules, just do like MLG, if 1st already have his spot the second will get it and no one will drop games or play poorly because of this, if just money was on the line i bet that nothing would happen.
This can happen everytime when friends or teamates meet, even if it is against the rules or the rules try to avoid any situation where loosing isn't bad for one of the players.
There are more variables in play (namely the racers on the grid at the same time) in racing thus it's harder to regulate and what you described is common practice. The racers work moreso as a team on the track. Yes, individual accomplishment is the overarching goal, but by the same token they are working together with their teammates on the track to increase their chances of placing high. It's a little bit different in race sports and like I said before it's common practice to set pace.
Without any hard evidence its hard to bring any athlete to justice. That's why there are governing bodies in professional sports to facilitate change and investigate any corruption.
The more barriers you place in front of the athletes the less likely they'll try to cheat the system.
I do believe that is wrong to forge matches or results for the benefit of something. But, like i said, as long as the system encourage this kind of stuff it will happen.
The key isn't just punishment, its fixing the rules. And, BTW, as far as i understand CoCa played everything for real, until the point he had won the game for a fact and Byun asked for the help. I really don't see all that problem.
Of course it will. No argument there. I don't know what you are trying to poke at because it looks like you and I totally agree with one another.
Everything you wrote is pretty much what I said a few posts above. o_O
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