EPTCoca forfeits Code S due to ESV weekly scandal - Page 46
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 15 2011 17:01 klops wrote: team sport analogies for a 1on1 game hooO! it's really not that big a deal. what they did was "wrong" but the entire blame shouldn't lie on them. correct me if i'm wrong but the korean weekly's big pull is the GSL spot and not the money. tournaments like this encourage this sort of thing where a niche of players allowed to compete don't receive the same monetary reward as others. Cella was informed 2 weeks ago that this weekly will have no Code A implications. Also Dr Chae said they are still in discussions with ESV over the Code A slot for next year. Also Taeja is Code S, but always wins his matches (or at least doesn't throw a won game). What CoCa and Byun did was more stupid than wrong. And it's just sad that they didn't anticipate the reaction from the Korean community before doing something like this. The reaction was too harsh though. | ||
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summernova
United States16 Posts
Look closer. | ||
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Alokiya
United States648 Posts
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Lunares
United States909 Posts
How GSL is reacting (and SlayerS) IS harsh. However I don't really see how they could react less harshly and still punish Coca for throwing a match. (I for one don't call this match fixing. There was no agreement to do anything. Coca simply threw the game). However given past history (Savior incident) you can't let Coca/Byun off with no punishment. Letting Coca play in the premiere tournament of Korea in 2 days right after this is obvviously sending the wrong message, so the only thing to do I see is to have him not play. If there was some way of punishing without being that harsh that would be better, but unfortunately there isn't. Also Coca needs to make a public apology. Not because one is needed, but because one would help his image (imo). | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:58 ZorBa.G wrote: So your telling me this is acceptable and both of these players only need a slap on the wrist? For reference, please read what I quoted. Do you realise this also creates a bad image amongst all professionals of the game. Behaviour like this only creates doubt within competitions. People will actually start to think, "Is this a proper match?" And as I've stated before, for those who try so hard to help e-sports grow and those who help put on tournaments..... this is like just throwing all of that back in their face. It's disgusting really. I couldn't care less if you think it's a "thrown game" or "match fixing," either way this is probably one of the most disrespecting things you can do to the community and your fans. I don't see how you think this behaviour should be lightly punished. I really don't. I'm a fan, i buy vod access to almost everything and i'm not really bothered. They are kids that did something stupid, it's not the end of the world. Especially as they didn't even match fix stealthily but did it in chat just makes me believe that they didn't take it seriously and underestimated how seriously some people take stuff like this. | ||
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macncheezeplz
United States93 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
"죄송합니다.. 정말 죄송합니다.." Which translates to "Sorry. I'm really sorry." http://twitter.com/#!/GhOstKingPrime/status/136354614449684480 According to Google Translate. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
If you don't take match fixing seriously, it undermines the entire competitive nature of the game because people will stop believing that players really won their matches. Also, everyone is trying to stay away from the match fixing scandal of Broodwar, and so they're taking every action to punish this minor match fixing to keep people confident in the competitive nature of SC2. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On November 15 2011 17:01 klops wrote: team sport analogies for a 1on1 game hooO! it's really not that big a deal. what they did was "wrong" but the entire blame shouldn't lie on them. correct me if i'm wrong but the korean weekly's big pull is the GSL spot and not the money. tournaments like this encourage this sort of thing where a niche of players allowed to compete don't receive the same monetary reward as others. Because in S.Korea, eSports is in every way as respectable as any pro-Sporting event such as the K-League football. Unlike the foreign scene where there are *special* rules for special people if you get what I mean. Where dishonest behavior is condoned under the banner of "fun". | ||
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Liveon
Netherlands1083 Posts
Byun just tweeted: 죄송합니다.. 정말 죄송합니다.. Which google translate translates into ' Sorry, I'm really sorry'. | ||
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rainfable
United States171 Posts
Hope this is the last time he ever does something as stupid as this, it most likely stuck a gigantic dent in his rep as well as his team's trust towards him. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
Bear in mind that the "actual" punishment (being not allowed to participate in ESV/this GSL) is nothing compared to the punishment of the shame, especially in Korea. Just look at Twitter and even this thread: there are tons of people who despise Coca and Byun now, and are calling for their banning from eSports altogether! | ||
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
On November 15 2011 17:08 macncheezeplz wrote: This really isn't that big of a deal. This wasn't over money or anything like that. Coca already had a spot, Byun didn't. If they didn't say anything (and Coca did a better job at losing) everything would have gone along fine. Punishment for making it so obvious it seems like. It is a big deal, sports in general is built on many assumptions, one of those assumptions is that the matches are not fixed, otherwise it would not be a sport, it would be a show, like fake wrestling. Doing stuff like match fixing blatantly is very damaging to an emerging esport trying to gain credibility. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On November 15 2011 17:09 Liveon wrote: This sucks T.T Byun just tweeted: 죄송합니다.. 정말 죄송합니다.. Which google translate translates into ' Sorry, I'm really sorry'. I can't describe how much it hurts me, I consider CoCa and Byun friends and feel horrible about all this...................................  | ||
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klops
United States674 Posts
On November 15 2011 17:09 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: Because in S.Korea, eSports is in every way as respectable as any pro-Sporting event such as the K-League football. Unlike the foreign scene where there are *special* rules for special people if you get what I mean. Where dishonest behavior is condoned under the banner of "fun". huh? pretty sure you didn't understand. your analogy made no sense. your scenario is exponentially worse than the one at hand because other parties are directly involved - not indirectly like here. completely irrelevant from south korean esports vs foreigner esports and i have no idea how you would read it as that. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On November 15 2011 17:00 karpo wrote: Maybe because one is a real criminal offence while the other one is not? Are you even allowed to talk about who did what in a molestation case if it isn't settled? Why even compare those two things? Don't you think it's a little fucked up to be so serious about this (relatively) small incident, but not get more upset about molestation bullshit that was happening in the scene? I mean, match fixing is a BIG DEAL, but Cella also wasn't getting so vocal when kids were getting hurt. Sure, this isn't a perfect comparison (I mean... at all, really), but a little perspective can really help. | ||
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Larsin
Netherlands162 Posts
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
On November 15 2011 17:08 karpo wrote: I'm a fan, i buy vod access to almost everything and i'm not really bothered. They are kids that did something stupid, it's not the end of the world. Especially as they didn't even match fix stealthily but did it in chat just makes me believe that they didn't take it seriously and underestimated how seriously some people take stuff like this. So you don't mind spending money on "thown games" or "fixed matches." Interesting.... | ||
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zeru
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