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On December 10 2011 11:31 DeepBlu2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2011 11:29 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 11:25 DeepBlu2 wrote:So I may look like a complete fool because I don't know how to use Sc2gears. I feel like this dosen't deserve it's own topic but here we go. So first, I asked Forgg to which he replied, no, that is not hydra. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QUit0.png) Sage had a similar response. I am completely sure this is not Hydra. However, I asked for a replay to compare it to and was told to compare it to Losira by 라푼젤(Rapunzel) (Credit goes to him) This is what I found ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5RFSs.jpg) Hotkeys match but I am confused as to how sc2gears works. So please inform me if I am wrong. And if someone knows sc2gears, please inform me. They dont match. The first guy " Hydra" Isn't using 6 AT ALL. Where Losira is using from mid game ~~ That's because the games end at different times. Check the bottom for the timer.
Hm, looks like CJEntusHydra assigns all his hotkeys, 1 through 0, at the start if I don't read the graphs wrong while Losira's in the range 1-5, I don't know if that is noteworthy; just thought I'd mention it.
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On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote:On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote:
If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west.
A joke? Do you even know who are the BW sponsors? They are legit big name companies, not gaming hardware makers.
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On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote:On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote:
If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west.
There are enough money in Korean scene to support multiple BW players with 6 figure salaries. The west has enough money to maybe support 2-3 players with that kind of salary.
KeSPA is consistent of massive corporation (Samsung SKT etc), not just gaming related sponsors like in the west.
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On December 10 2011 11:31 DeepBlu2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2011 11:29 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 11:25 DeepBlu2 wrote:So I may look like a complete fool because I don't know how to use Sc2gears. I feel like this dosen't deserve it's own topic but here we go. So first, I asked Forgg to which he replied, no, that is not hydra. Sage had a similar response. I am completely sure this is not Hydra. However, I asked for a replay to compare it to and was told to compare it to Losira by 라푼젤(Rapunzel) (Credit goes to him) This is what I found Hotkeys match but I am confused as to how sc2gears works. So please inform me if I am wrong. And if someone knows sc2gears, please inform me. They dont match. The first guy " Hydra" Isn't using 6 AT ALL. Where Losira is using from mid game ~~ That's because the games end at different times. Check the bottom for the timer.
Oh. Thanks for pointing that out. Then You are right.
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Hahahah, LosirA messing with everyone.
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On December 10 2011 10:18 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:16 Sarang wrote:
i dunno, but if people have to speculate whether a player called 'cjentushydra' is actually CJ Entus's Hydra - doesn't it imply that it's not?
The fact that we don't know indicates that this guy is being secretive about who he is. If he actually was Hydra and didn't want to advertise that fact to the world, wouldn't he choose a different ID? =/ It'll be interesting to know who it is though, considering the guy is sitting on a 32-7 ladder record. Probably some already established SC2 Zerg.
Judging from the last few replies, it looks like it's LosirA. So seems that you're right.
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When did Losira learn to deal with aggression in ZvT?
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On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote:On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote:
If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west.
I certainly hope your just trolling.
Korea is one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and its economy is already one of the biggest in Asia.
BW teams players earn way way more than what any SC2 players earn today (not including BW prize money).
Please improve your general knowledge before making sweeping statements.
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On December 10 2011 12:49 SarcasmMonster wrote:
When did Losira learn to deal with aggression in ZvT?
I don't think its Losira, though the hotkeys are very similiar, at the beginning 'Hydra' assigns all of his hotkeys to something where as the Losira charts show him only hotkeying 1-5. Seems subtle but why would he randomly switch up how and when he assigns his hotkeys?
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On December 10 2011 13:02 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:49 SarcasmMonster wrote:
When did Losira learn to deal with aggression in ZvT? I don't think its Losira, though the hotkeys are very similiar, at the beginning 'Hydra' assigns all of his hotkeys to something where as the Losira charts show him only hotkeying 1-5. Seems subtle but why would he randomly switch up how and when he assigns his hotkeys?
That's really the only difference though... And I personally as a masters random, do stuff like that all the time. Some games I will spam constantly for higher apm, while others I will just sit there for 1 minute not doing anything... Hotkeys as well, sometimes i just run my keyboard across 0-9... That's really the only inconsistency though. Not to mention this is only one replay which was hard to obtain.
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On December 10 2011 10:18 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:16 Sarang wrote:
i dunno, but if people have to speculate whether a player called 'cjentushydra' is actually CJ Entus's Hydra - doesn't it imply that it's not?
The fact that we don't know indicates that this guy is being secretive about who he is. If he actually was Hydra and didn't want to advertise that fact to the world, wouldn't he choose a different ID? =/ It'll be interesting to know who it is though, considering the guy is sitting on a 32-7 ladder record. Probably some already established SC2 Zerg.
FWIW, during one of the games from fOrGG's stream yesterday, the in-game conversation went something like this (in korean):
him: hello, do you know if hydra is playing SC2?
fOrGG: nope
him: oh, cause i just played someone whose ID was CJENTUSHydra
fOrGG: oh really?
him: yes, and i asked him if he's really hydra and he said yes
fOrGG: ahhh ok
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On December 10 2011 13:22 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:18 pdd wrote:On December 10 2011 10:16 Sarang wrote:
i dunno, but if people have to speculate whether a player called 'cjentushydra' is actually CJ Entus's Hydra - doesn't it imply that it's not?
The fact that we don't know indicates that this guy is being secretive about who he is. If he actually was Hydra and didn't want to advertise that fact to the world, wouldn't he choose a different ID? =/ It'll be interesting to know who it is though, considering the guy is sitting on a 32-7 ladder record. Probably some already established SC2 Zerg. FWIW, during one of the games from fOrGG's stream yesterday, the in-game conversation went something like this (in korean): him: hello, do you know if hydra is playing SC2? fOrGG: nope him: oh, cause i just played someone whose ID was CJENTUSHydra fOrGG: oh really? him: yes, and i asked him if he's really hydra and he said yes fOrGG: ahhh ok
If this is legit,then O.O The real Hydra is sick good.
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Hydra has been playing sc2 during his off time, nothing else to say since he's still committed to proleague and BW.
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Pretty sure thats not him, if he's been playing that much SC2 he would get kicked off his SC1 team.
we all know thats not him by now tho.
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On December 10 2011 11:42 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote:On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote:On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote:
If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. A joke? Do you even know who are the BW sponsors? They are legit big name companies, not gaming hardware makers.
This.
Also, even the big gaming hardware makers actually sponsor a million teams at the same time, I can't imagine that sponsorship is very lucrative to begin with.
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On December 10 2011 11:42 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote:On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote:On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote:
If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. A joke? Do you even know who are the BW sponsors? They are legit big name companies, not gaming hardware makers.
Just wanted out point out that there is a difference between sponsoring a team and actually owning it. KT owns KT Rolsters and Samsung owns Samsung Khan...etc. But, I get what you are trying to say.
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On December 10 2011 13:48 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 11:42 windsupernova wrote:On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote:On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote:On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote:
If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. A joke? Do you even know who are the BW sponsors? They are legit big name companies, not gaming hardware makers. Just wanted out point out that there is a difference between sponsoring a team and actually owning it. KT owns KT Rolsters and Samsung owns Samsung Khan...etc. But, I get what you are trying to say.
You know, you can't actually own people these days. What you can do, is have them on contract, and I'm pretty sure those are quite common in both games. Money is where the power is at with these things.
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On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote:On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote:
If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west.
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Atm, BW teams have way more money than SC2's. Just think about salaries, they are 3x more important in BW than SC2. I guess mvp must like 40k$ a year (and i'm pretty sure he earns less), flash is around 400k$.
You think SlayerS have more fans than STK1 or KT? :/
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According to TLPD Hydra is
신동원
which is the 2nd readable name in the top left list. No other BW pro seem to share that name.
Anyway would be surprised if CJentushydra is actually Losira. Something as fundamental as assigning 1-0 to control groups at the start of the game is not just something you change unless you actively try to disguise yourself. How often do you see pros change the way they split, the way the early-game spam, their hatch hotkeys, etc. from game to game? (A: never)
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EPT
where from this numbers coming lol
