EPTHydra/CJ Playing SC2?
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Phyrigian
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Lunares
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Bibbit
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ptrpb
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CJ is going to start a SC2 division and re-acquire Idra... but this time + Show Spoiler + AS AN A-TEAMER | ||
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AndAgain
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 06 2011 14:15 ptrpb wrote: Oh shit... CJ is going to start a SC2 division and re-acquire Idra... but this time + Show Spoiler + AS AN A-TEAMER except idra has said that he doesn't want to be a part of anything that is related to KeSPA. | ||
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ptrpb
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On November 06 2011 14:17 BLinD-RawR wrote: except idra has said that he doesn't want to be a part of anything that is related to KeSPA. It was a joke.. way to be. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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make it look like one. | ||
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Terrifyer
United States338 Posts
ptrpb probably didn't get the memo that there can be no jokes on TL blind-rawr hope you can keep your weekly post ratio up, it's slacking! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 06 2011 14:22 Terrifyer wrote: ptrpb probably didn't get the memo that there can be no jokes on TL lol,ur funny but seriously lets not derail this any longer,if you want to continue,PM me. Edit:yeah I know,I just started to give attention to my real life,plus proleague hasn't started yet. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Nothing about that implied it was serious at all dude. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
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Klamity
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On November 06 2011 14:22 Terrifyer wrote: ptrpb probably didn't get the memo that there can be no jokes on TL blind-rawr hope you can keep your weekly post ratio up, it's slacking! Aside from the ellipses and the overall presentation of the text and the bolding and the spoilers, he's right though. No signs of a joke. Isn't Hydra ranked #2 on the Kespa rankings right now? I'd say he's a tad better than even you're giving him credit for. | ||
Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:17 BLinD-RawR wrote: except idra has said that he doesn't want to be a part of anything that is related to KeSPA. Made you look like a tit. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
In fact, most BW teams seems to be practicing SC2 along with BW. I discussed this in BW Weekly today To sum it up: Its highly likely that BW teams are practicing SC2. The reason they are doing this is NOT because they are switching from BW to SC2. It's more likely because they don't know if KeSPA is going to integrate SC2 into the league. Because the progame teams, with the current rumors, are preparing for anything at the moment. This includes SC2, which might get announced anytime. | ||
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Razuik
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eviltomahawk
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Jokes aside, very interesting development. He is has recently been very strong in BW, though I'm afraid that maybe him playing more than one game may overextend him into being worse at both games. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:26 Razuik wrote: I knew about his addition of ", 2" but those tweets to Puma are even more convincing. o.0 I imagine we will steadily see more and more of this kind of activity. Idra was right when he said the acquisition of Puma meant connections to switching BW pros. Those tweets to PuMa ain't nothing. Many progamers are friends; BW/SC2 barrier doesn't break this. In fact, PuMa was a BW gamer himself, which means that he knew a lot of BW players before switching to SC2. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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yeah I can be quite a boob sometimes. | ||
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Phyrigian
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Bibbit
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On November 06 2011 14:10 Phyrigian wrote: he hasnt tweeted about it from what i know, just says "CJ Entus, SC1/SC2" at the top. hes definitely borderline. By S class i mean TBLS (Flash, Stork, Jaedong, and Bisu), but if anything hes a tier below that with people like fantasy sea and killer perhaps. Ye thats what I mean too. Just making sure people not familiar with BW dont equate S class with Code S and thus think Hydra wasnt very good. : ) | ||
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Lixler
United States265 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:17 AndAgain wrote: Can someone translate what he's talking about with Puma and JYP? Nothing relevant, he is just telling Puma he looks like some guy then explaining who he is. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
I don't consider him S-class (right now only Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Fantasy fit that imo) but he is right on the outside. Hydra is the first zerg to be higher in KeSPA ranking than Jaedong in some 50 months and that should not at all be overlooked. | ||
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Phyrigian
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pdd
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm trolling | ||
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Telcontar
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 06 2011 15:08 Telcontar wrote: How wonder how much disappointment Hydra felt when he made his first SC2 hydras. Same as everyone else from bw who played zerg  | ||
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Termit
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Golgotha
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Vantastic
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 06 2011 15:27 Vantastic wrote: Does that mean BW is going to change for the worse? proleague is still BW so not really. | ||
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dc302
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eviltomahawk
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On November 06 2011 15:11 blade55555 wrote: Same as everyone else from bw who played zerg Maybe he should change his name to... Infestor | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On November 06 2011 15:27 Vantastic wrote: Does that mean BW is going to change for the worse? its sad but with so many teams finding interest in sc2, it could mean less BW. and that would be bad. however, bw is such an integral part of korean culture that BW should have a couple more years left in the pro gaming scene. koreans will always play bw imo. but they probably wont be able to watch as much pro games. well have to see. | ||
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Phyrigian
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 06 2011 15:29 dc302 wrote: What's the difference between S/A class and A/B teamers? S class is basically best of the best,A class is a tier below them. A teamers are basically the players who are playing good on the team(consisting of those who do well in practice),B-teamers are the rest, like most rookies slumping players at their lowest etc. | ||
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Severus_
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jokes aside Hydra is good BW player he will melt faces in SC2. | ||
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rauk
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On November 06 2011 15:29 dc302 wrote: What's the difference between S/A class and A/B teamers? s class is like undisputed best couple of players. so for SC2 that'd be zergbong and mvp. a-teamers are the guys who get sent out for proleague. b-teamers are people who aren't good enough to even be considered to send out in PL. it's very very rare for a b-teamer to qualify into the individual leagues. i think paralyze or food5 are the most recent b-teamers who qualified for an MSL/OSL in recent memory.. On November 06 2011 15:31 Phyrigian wrote: A teamers refer to the team itself, for example Flash would only Be A Team because hes part of KT Rolsters A Team, while hes S class, and B teamers are the chobos. B class = B team, and A Class = usually A team. S class is just the top a teamers. not really. mvp and ganzi were both a-teamers on woongjin but they were like D-class. there are a lot of proleague regulars who would not count as A class players; jaehoon and killer before last season, hyuk, hoejja, perfectman, etcetc. | ||
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ETisME
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if not, don't care that much :p | ||
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Phyrigian
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birdkicker
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Phyrigian
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Gao Xi
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p4NDemik
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On November 06 2011 16:04 birdkicker wrote: If Hydra moves to sc2 he wouldn't be as successful as he was in brood war. Are you going to back up that opinion with any reasoning at all? I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just lazy, and not being malicious. | ||
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raga4ka
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On November 06 2011 16:04 birdkicker wrote: If Hydra moves to sc2 he wouldn't be as successful as he was in brood war. Hydra still isn't the epitome of success in BW . Yes he is pretty good and won an MSL like ForGG did in his prime , but he just started busting out on scene last PL season and he can still win a lot in BW if he keeps his form . If he switches right now he will 100 % acomplish more in SC2 then he already did in BW , because he is an a whole different level then the current SC2 progamers . He should be able to dominate the current scene after he gets a good understanding of the game with zerg , his macro and multitasking are sublime compared to what he have now in SC 2 . He wouldn't switch games unless Kespa forces the teams to , but i don't see it happening this PL season . | ||
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zeehar
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zeehar
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On November 06 2011 16:04 birdkicker wrote: If Hydra moves to sc2 he wouldn't be as successful as he was in brood war. why do you think so? everything that we have seen so far seems to indicate zerg players will fare the best when making the transition. hydra will become scary good i think, and may topple nestea for best zerg, and maybe mvp for best player within 3~6 months. he'd easily be the best bw player to make the switch. | ||
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ElusoryX
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On November 06 2011 14:15 ptrpb wrote: Oh shit... CJ is going to start a SC2 division and re-acquire Idra... but this time + Show Spoiler + AS AN A-TEAMER i think he prefers EG. they're teamed with slayers. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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CDRdude
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On November 06 2011 16:49 Torte de Lini wrote: Hydra is the best! Better than Jaedong, without a doubt. CDRdude told me so too (how's that for proof?) I will end you. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On November 06 2011 16:24 p4NDemik wrote: Are you going to back up that opinion with any reasoning at all? I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just lazy, and not being malicious. He is implying a lower skill ceiling, higher ability to lose to random build order wins and cheeses, etc. | ||
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Welmu
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Diglett
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On November 06 2011 16:49 Torte de Lini wrote: Hydra is the best! Better than Jaedong, without a doubt. CDRdude told me so too (how's that for proof?) oh no u di'int | ||
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Torte de Lini
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It's cool: the reasoning is that JD is having a mental vacation right now :3 | ||
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The KY
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Hehehe. | ||
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snotboogie
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:26 snotboogie wrote: Might I also add for those not in the know, that Hydra is actually blind in one eye. I guess Hydra probably won't be playing the 3D version of SC2 anytime soon. Anyways, I find it funny how much speculation has been generated by the characters "," and "2". | ||
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:41 eviltomahawk wrote: I guess Hydra probably won't be playing the 3D version of SC2 anytime soon. Anyways, I find it funny how much speculation has been generated by the characters "," and "2". My respect for him just went up tenfold. | ||
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Clefairy
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figq
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SkimGuy
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Although what gives me more respect is that he didn't even tell anyone until after he won the PDPop MSL xd | ||
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birdkicker
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On November 06 2011 16:39 raga4ka wrote: Hydra still isn't the epitome of success in BW . Yes he is pretty good and won an MSL like ForGG did in his prime , but he just started busting out on scene last PL season and he can still win a lot in BW if he keeps his form . If he switches right now he will 100 % acomplish more in SC2 then he already did in BW , because he is an a whole different level then the current SC2 progamers . He should be able to dominate the current scene after he gets a good understanding of the game with zerg , his macro and multitasking are sublime compared to what he have now in SC 2 . He wouldn't switch games unless Kespa forces the teams to , but i don't see it happening this PL season . On November 06 2011 16:24 p4NDemik wrote: Are you going to back up that opinion with any reasoning at all? I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just lazy, and not being malicious. You guys are missing the joke ;..; | ||
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K3Nyy
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4tre55
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Hydra playing pretty strong with burrowed banelings doing a lot of damage, but bomber just too good in the end. | ||
pPingu
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On December 10 2011 05:43 4tre55 wrote: Account named CJEntusHydra just playing vs. Bomber on his stream. Gonna watch it, I'm amazed if such a high bw player would be training sc2, even if it was announced at least one high a teamer is playing his sc2ranks record btw 856 points. Won 31, lost 5 (86.11% wins) | ||
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Zzoram
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Can't wait for the formal switch. | ||
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bgx
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hydras are bad unit to make | ||
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zhurai
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maybe it's him? O_o EDIT: oh someone else already posted that he did. Oh... Woop. | ||
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GizmoPT
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Zzoram
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Hydra is doing well It's amazing since BW players only started training part-time like a month ago and they're playing so well already | ||
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StarStruck
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They still in Busan? All the teams stayed last night. | ||
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Zzoram
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bgx
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mrafaeldie12
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Thanks in advance<3! | ||
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VirgilSC2
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On December 10 2011 05:56 Zzoram wrote: CJEntusHydra vs Bomber on Bomber's stream right now Hydra is doing well It's amazing since BW players only started training part-time like a month ago and they're playing so well already I think it has something to do with some sort of animal...... somewhere very close by...... be very very quiet.....we don't want to startle the elephant. | ||
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StarStruck
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On December 10 2011 05:58 bgx wrote: how the fuck they can tie bw training and sc2 is beyond me, well i guess less proleague matches and no OSL gives them some free time but wow They aren't human. Not bad Bomber just won. | ||
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Gamegene
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Hydra gave Fantasy a good run for his money last OSL, he's top tier man. This news makes me feel kind of sad D: | ||
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Zzoram
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StarStruck
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Bomber going to rest for ten minutes, so that doesn't really answer much. | ||
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Zzoram
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Zzoram
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On December 10 2011 06:00 StarStruck wrote: Bomber asking if he was Leenock. Really? If he asked that he must've thought the Zerg was really good. | ||
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Asha
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Bomber won anyway Burrowed banelings mid battle would seem to be very Leenock-esque. | ||
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bgx
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zhurai
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On December 10 2011 06:00 StarStruck wrote: Bomber asking if he was Leenock. Bomber going to rest for ten minutes, so that doesn't really answer much. o_O so he asked the player if he was leenock and the other guy didn't reply? o.o | ||
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Zzoram
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pPingu
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He did some cute thing and seemed to have a good macro (didn't see the queen energy), but he missed micro a bit "often" and sometimes his muta pathing and control looked a bit stupid | ||
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bgx
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On December 10 2011 06:02 zhurai wrote: o_O so he asked the player if he was leenock and the other guy didn't reply? o.o he asked chat stream -_- not him  | ||
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jacksonlee
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Dont be naive, that was leenock or some other zerg | ||
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bgx
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On December 10 2011 06:05 jacksonlee wrote: Hydra would not name himself CJEntusHydra on battle net. how many progamers actually use their team name AND correct nickname on Bnet? Dont be naive, that was leenock or some other zerg i agree that would be a complete show-off | ||
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Railgan
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zhurai
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Oh ok. it just looked like when he said "Bomber asking if he was Leenock." ment he was askign the player that oh well. | ||
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StarStruck
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On December 10 2011 06:08 Zzoram wrote: is he AFK or something? it's just idling on the stream chat He said he was taking a ten minute rest. He's back now. | ||
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pPingu
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On December 10 2011 06:08 Zzoram wrote: is he AFK or something? it's just idling on the stream chat Will be back in 10 minutes he said, so in like 2-3min from now | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 07 2011 03:35 birdkicker wrote: You guys are missing the joke ;..; rofl epic fail on my part | ||
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bgx
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On December 10 2011 06:15 Puosu wrote: He's playing against CJEntusHydra on ladder again, is the guy stream sniping? ;o haha it may be pure luck or... epic troller Idra its u? | ||
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VirgilSC2
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![[image loading]](http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/577/screenshot2011120923074.jpg) | ||
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Itsmedudeman
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Also an easy way to tell if it's actually idra would be if he ggs out. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:18 Itsmedudeman wrote: Lol he's trolling you probably. Why wouldn't he say yes if he named himself that? I didn't say it was definitive proof or anything. Hell I didn't even take this screenshot. Just thought it would be interesting to add to the conversation. EDIT: The account was created today apparently also. SC2Ranks for the account | ||
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Itsmedudeman
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:19 VirgilSC2 wrote: I didn't say it was definitive proof or anything. Hell I didn't even take this screenshot. Just thought it would be interesting to add to the conversation. EDIT: The account was created today apparently also. could ask hydra on twitter if that's really him?... | ||
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VPCursed
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Mioraka
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(just making simple comparisons.) | ||
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Mioraka
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On December 10 2011 06:23 VPCursed wrote: bomber is playing someone named CJEntusHydra right now on his stream and bomber just got rolled........ O_O what.... | ||
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Yip12343
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
baited Bomber so hard. | ||
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Jellikit
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On December 10 2011 06:27 Mioraka wrote: lol bomber split his marines too slow and badly,he couldve wonand bomber just got rolled........ O_O what.... | ||
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VirgilSC2
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![[image loading]](http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7490/cjsc22.png) | ||
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StarStruck
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Looking at the hot keys would solve it. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
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On December 10 2011 06:29 StarStruck wrote: It's a pro smurf account. The question is who. Looking at the hot keys would solve it. My original guess would be idra considering everyone figured out his other account. | ||
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klo8
Austria1960 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:23 Mioraka wrote: In other words, Jaedong is like the Nestea of bw. Hydra is the leenock of bw? (just making simple comparisons.) Hmm. Jaedong at his prime was almost unbeatable ZvZ, similar to NesTea.. their playstyles are quite different though. | ||
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bgx
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On December 10 2011 06:29 StarStruck wrote: It's a pro smurf account. The question is who. Looking at the hot keys would solve it. im pretty sure korean forums are already on fire, if stephano can put them on temporary fire, guy named CJentusHydra for sure we will know soon | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:30 Itsmedudeman wrote: My original guess would be idra considering everyone figured out his other account. Unless IdrA spontaneous incorporated burrowed banelings, I don't think it's him. Also, this guy doesn't over-make mutas like IdrA. | ||
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Roxy
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hongun got manhandled dispite playing very well | ||
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Mioraka
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On December 10 2011 06:28 Jellikit wrote: lol bomber split his marines too slow and badly,he couldve won Ya i think he let his guard down after cleaning up the first wave of ling and banelings. Unsieged tank=dead marines. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
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On December 10 2011 06:31 Mioraka wrote: Ya i think he let his guard down after cleaning up the first wave of ling and banelings. Unsieged tank=dead marines. Well, he was pushing a lot faster than you normally do since he sacc'd his 3rd. Most terrans don't move so aggressively on creep like that. | ||
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Mioraka
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On December 10 2011 06:30 klo8 wrote: Hmm. Jaedong at his prime was almost unbeatable ZvZ, similar to NesTea.. their playstyles are quite different though. Not in terms of skill or style, just in terms of performance. | ||
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andaylin
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On December 10 2011 06:32 VirgilSC2 wrote: Are they playing AGAIN?? yeah they are. im loving the mystery. Hydra or no?!?!?! | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:31 VirgilSC2 wrote: Unless IdrA spontaneous incorporated burrowed banelings, I don't think it's him. Also, this guy doesn't over-make mutas like IdrA. Not enough proof. We need to tell bomber to proxy 2 rax and see if he ggs. | ||
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bgx
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On December 10 2011 06:33 Mioraka wrote: Not in terms of skill or style, just in terms of performance. positioned as king of zerg and having arch-enemy (Flash/MVP) yes | ||
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:33 Itsmedudeman wrote: Not enough proof. We need to tell bomber to proxy 2 rax and see if he ggs. IdrA respects Bomber alot to 'GG' to that. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:33 Itsmedudeman wrote: Not enough proof. We need to tell bomber to proxy 2 rax and see if he ggs. scientific method <3 | ||
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ionONE
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bgx
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im kinda slowly thinking it really may be hydra ;o | ||
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dde
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andaylin
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VirgilSC2
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Asha
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Liberal usage of transfuse, preference for ling/bling and a medium muta count, burrowed banes mid battle etc etc | ||
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StarStruck
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Zzoram
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LeoLeo
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Jesus macro baneling! EDIT: Wow, that game was too close, and I feel like the only real reason why Bomber won that game was due to Hydra's refusal of Hive tech... Also Shakuras is a pretty interesting map TvZ, because if you just stabilize map presence as a terran you get a retarded amount of bases... Nonetheless Bomber is fucking good and Hydra got huge potential. | ||
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Mioraka
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It's four bases vs four bases. If bomber doesnt get destroyed in one big fight then he has this.... | ||
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
amazing | ||
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SafeAsCheese
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TheKefka
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On December 10 2011 06:44 StarStruck wrote: It has to be Leenock. Never thought Leenock is the type a guy that makes such a trollish account name hahah. He is 2 cute:O | ||
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Lorch
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Captain Peabody
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We'll see. | ||
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DeadBull
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look at the muta control | ||
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Phyrigian
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MurMiLLo
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Ubenn
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TensaiSakuragi
Croatia224 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:48 Anomarad wrote: How can it be Hydra? He's at WCG in Busan. If he's playing anything currently it's practicing for his BW match in hours... What match are you talking about? CJ played yesterday. | ||
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ROOTheognis
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zhurai
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On December 10 2011 06:43 Asha` wrote: He plays almost identically to Leenock. Liberal usage of transfuse, preference for ling/bling and a medium muta count, burrowed banes mid battle etc etc maybe because leenock went into the finals, hydra has been analysing his play and thus tries to mimic him :DDDD idk, I'm TRYING to ask hydra (if I got his twitter account right...) if it's him. idk if he'd bother to answer tho. | ||
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zaii
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Lorch
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On December 10 2011 06:48 Anomarad wrote: How can it be Hydra? He's at WCG in Busan. If he's playing anything currently it's practicing for his BW match in hours... CJ already played in PL at WCG and WCG is using SC2 over BW this year? Plus I doubt it'd be hard for him to get on a PC with SC2 there. | ||
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Wubbles
United States120 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:48 Anomarad wrote: How can it be Hydra? He's at WCG in Busan. If he's playing anything currently it's practicing for his BW match in hours... CJ already played though. Here's the LR thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291972 | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:45 Mioraka wrote: Why does bomber not drop at all O_O... It's four bases vs four bases. If bomber doesnt get destroyed in one big fight then he has this.... he was already running thin defending his third and main with 8-10 marines at each. he was also marginally losing fights in the middle also because those units were stuck at home. if you consider that, branching out even more for a drop that is not likely to work (muta + zergling on a map with tightly knit expansions) would lose him just about any fight by the time he reaches the middle to begin pushing. | ||
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:48 DeadBull wrote: hes defenitly a bw zerg. look at the muta control What was special in his muta control?... | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:48 Anomarad wrote: How can it be Hydra? He's at WCG in Busan. If he's playing anything currently it's practicing for his BW match in hours... Um what?CJ played their round against khan yesterday. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:48 Anomarad wrote: How can it be Hydra? He's at WCG in Busan. If he's playing anything currently it's practicing for his BW match in hours... There is no BW at WCG this year. And if the upcoming events tl calendar is right there is no BW tonight being broadcasted either. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
ya, all i noticed was all of the lings being rallied and dieing for nothing (couple misrallied overlords too) | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:50 ZeromuS wrote: Bomber asking his new opponent if he knows about the cjentushydra player account. I can't read nagul so i don't know the response. There is no BW at WCG this year. And if the upcoming events tl calendar is right there is no BW tonight being broadcasted either. proleague was played at wcg | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:23 Mioraka wrote: In other words, Jaedong is like the Nestea of bw. Hydra is the leenock of bw? (just making simple comparisons.) wat how dare you... | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:50 ZeromuS wrote: Bomber asking his new opponent if he knows about the cjentushydra player account. I can't read nagul so i don't know the response. There is no BW at WCG this year. And if the upcoming events tl calendar is right there is no BW tonight being broadcasted either. funny cause i watched broodwar 2 days in a row at wcg | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:48 Anomarad wrote: How can it be Hydra? He's at WCG in Busan. If he's playing anything currently it's practicing for his BW match in hours... That was the other night. They already beat Khan. I'm not sure if they are still in Busan. They might be as they were at the match between SK and KT last night. | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:51 TheAngelofDeath wrote: HydrA has too lucrative of a career to switch to SC2. Even if he is playing, he won't be making a full time switch. That would just be a stupid career choice. He probably just plays in his free time(which is nominal) and is still pushing Bomber to the brink and even taking games off of him. Lol, when BW pros switch, SC2 will never be the same. i remember hearing something similar about moonglade, moon, and grubby from WC3 :/ | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:51 TheAngelofDeath wrote: HydrA has too lucrative of a career to switch to SC2. Even if he is playing, he won't be making a full time switch. That would just be a stupid career choice. He probably just plays in his free time(which is nominal) and is still pushing Bomber to the brink and even taking games off of him. Lol, when BW pros switch, SC2 will never be the same. Uhh... it will be the exact same There is already a small group of players who everyone considers will win tourneys they enter. If BW players move over, that bar will just be raised, and they will be the new "bar". | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
I know it was but there aren't any games tonight. And techincally BW was played at WCG but it isn't a part of the WCG tournaments in the same sense all the other games have tournaments. PL at WCG was more of a bonus for those who attended than an actual WCG event. That is what I was referring to. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:50 Wubbles wrote: CJ already played though. Here's the LR thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291972 Wtf, I thought Khan vs CJ was later today, ah man day ruined. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:50 ZeromuS wrote: Bomber asking his new opponent if he knows about the cjentushydra player account. I can't read nagul so i don't know the response. There is no BW at WCG this year. And if the upcoming events tl calendar is right there is no BW tonight being broadcasted either. Proleague was being played at WCG in Busan. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:50 ZeromuS wrote: Bomber asking his new opponent if he knows about the cjentushydra player account. I can't read nagul so i don't know the response. There is no BW at WCG this year. And if the upcoming events tl calendar is right there is no BW tonight being broadcasted either. Uhm but SPL *was* broadcasted live from WCG. so yes they were there *awhile ago* was SPL CJ vs Khan however (last night however.... was SPL KT vs SKT) | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:53 Itsmedudeman wrote: Well, he wouldn't be mass gaming sc2. A few hours of SC2 isn't mass gaming to a Broodwar pro. He probably does a few hours of SC2 as a break from his 12 hours of Broodwar. | ||
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Onox
United States1072 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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StarStruck
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:54 Zzoram wrote: A few hours of SC2 isn't mass gaming to a Broodwar pro. He probably does a few hours of SC2 as a break from his 12 hours of Broodwar. It's not a few hours. Virgil said he created the account today/yesterday and it has 35 games on it. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:52 Roxy wrote: i remember hearing something similar about moonglade, moon, and grubby from WC3 :/ Nobody would have said something similar about moonglade... | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
Burn him at the stake! :D | ||
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Puosu
7012 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:54 Zzoram wrote: A few hours of SC2 isn't mass gaming to a Broodwar pro. He probably does a few hours of SC2 as a break from his 12 hours of Broodwar. He has played 40+ games today. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
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milesfacade
United Kingdom799 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:45 Mioraka wrote: Why does bomber not drop at all O_O... It's four bases vs four bases. If bomber doesnt get destroyed in one big fight then he has this.... This surprised me as well, I have never really studied bomber's tvz in much depth but it looked pretty lacklustre to me. Pushes out with a big force and sets rallies towards it, is slow to leapfrog and just lets zerg get enough banes to roll over while not distracting the z with drops when it's the perfect opportunity. If it is hydra he should have had that last game on shakuras, all he had to do was make from his main and natural hatch instead of being lazy and making out of every hatch and losing a ton of lings to the oncoming force - quite ironic if this is the case that it is hyrda, a great sc1 player already getting lazy with the sc2 interface :p | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
What about the rest of his match history? Is this typical? If not, it could be explained by the BW teams being at WCG where there probably aren't many Broodwar installed computers. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:55 ZeromuS wrote: I think people are missing the point in my post about no BW at WCG. It isn't a main event and while PL was broadcasted from the WCG venue in Busan it is not being played tonight and Hydra would not be practicing for a match tonight and could potentially have time to dabble in some SC2 ladder. Which is what this whole speculation right now is about. If by dabble you mean 40 games in what? 48 hours max? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:52 Roxy wrote: i remember hearing something similar about moonglade, moon, and grubby from WC3 :/ maybe if they moved to dota. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:54 VirgilSC2 wrote: rofl XD fun fact: whoever it is is directly one rank above TSLHyuN (MyWay) who's that 80-8 protoss | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:57 Zzoram wrote: What about the rest of his match history? Is this typical? If not, it could be explained by the BW teams being at WCG where there probably aren't many Broodwar installed computers. There is no "rest of his match history" The account was made today, and is 32-7, Rank 4 KR Masters. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:57 MCDayC wrote: If by dabble you mean 40 games in what? 48 hours max? I keep digging a hole with my words don't I >.< I didn't know how many games he played when i posted that. 2 posts later in the thread I learned he is sitting down at a computer and grinding out many many games. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
Bisu + Show Spoiler + CHAOS | ||
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:56 milesfacade wrote: This surprised me as well, I have never really studied bomber's tvz in much depth but it looked pretty lacklustre to me. Pushes out with a big force and sets rallies towards it, is slow to leapfrog and just lets zerg get enough banes to roll over while not distracting the z with drops when it's the perfect opportunity. If it is hydra he should have had that last game on shakuras, all he had to do was make from his main and natural hatch instead of being lazy and making out of every hatch and losing a ton of lings to the oncoming force - quite ironic if this is the case that it is hyrda, a great sc1 player already getting lazy with the sc2 interface :p his macro (st_bomber )is pretty much at the top if you ask me, rofl like i somewhat mentioned before, there are many times that an 8 marine drop ceases to be cost effective at all. and i do believe he was making tanks off 1 fac for a long, long time? | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Hahahahah SPARTA! | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:59 ZeromuS wrote: I keep digging a hole with my words don't I >.< I didn't know how many games he played when i posted that. 2 posts later in the thread I learned he is sitting down at a computer and grinding out many many games. It's fine man. I highly doubt it's Hydra, given his play style (looks identical to Leenock) and the fact that there are so many games played over a short time, does not look like a BW pro's practice account, especially as Hydra is not at his teamhouse right now. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
 Got to love smurf accounts. This one is pretty clear though. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:01 MCDayC wrote: It's fine man. I highly doubt it's Hydra, given his play style (looks identical to Leenock) and the fact that there are so many games played over a short time, does not look like a BW pro's practice account, especially as Hydra is not at his teamhouse right now. Well, someone is grinding out a lot of games on a smurf somewhere. To be fair, hydra could be trying to emulate a certain style of sc2 game. Jangbi had been discussing protoss strategy with HerO not too long ago as well and observing some custom games. We may never know who it is but if it is really hydra thats crazy. Though I don't think these are his first games of SC2 if it is hydra. The macro seems too good for someone who just started playing sc2. In part because a strong part of the macro is inject timing which I don't care who you are you don't learn in 2 games and then continue to win 30+ more games after learning it | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:04 StarStruck wrote: But Bisu cannot lose! T_T Got to love smurf accounts. This one is pretty clear though. It's Bisu's duty to lose to random Terrans. And KR ladder is stuffed with Terrans. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:09 Bibbit wrote: Also note S class totally bloody means something in BW, its not like Code S at all. Hydra is goooooood!!! Enough with that, Code S is the best of the best in SC2 as well. Whether or not BW players are way beyond them is another matter, but for current players, being Code S is nothing to laugh at. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:57 Zzoram wrote: What about the rest of his match history? Is this typical? If not, it could be explained by the BW teams being at WCG where there probably aren't many Broodwar installed computers. The account is very very new, like created today I think. Must be a smurf, Hydra wouldn't troll around like this. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:29 StarStruck wrote: It's a pro smurf account. The question is who. Looking at the hot keys would solve it. How did you arrive at the conclusion it's a smurf? | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
Correct me if I am wrong, but that says 60-8. Regardless, still impressive. Looks like both of them enjoy high master level stomping | ||
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
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Onox
United States1072 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:07 ZenithM wrote: Enough with that, Code S is the best of the best in SC2 as well. Whether or not BW players are way beyond them is another matter, but for current players, being Code S is nothing to laugh at. Yeah but there's 32 code S plays, and only a handful of S class players. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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fatalities
United States91 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:07 ZenithM wrote: Enough with that, Code S is the best of the best in SC2 as well. Whether or not BW players are way beyond them is another matter, but for current players, being Code S is nothing to laugh at. I think he means that Code S in BW literally means you've dominated the game for a while and could be considered a candidate for best in the world. There's like 4 Code S BW players? So basically, MVP would be the only possible equivalent. -never followed BW, correct me if I'm wrong- | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Anyone find it funny that that account and Hyun's account are in the same league? ye that kinda slipped through my mind, hyun actually seem to have a trollish attitude :p | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:13 fatalities wrote: I think he means that Code S in BW literally means you've dominated the game for a while and could be considered a candidate for best in the world. There's like 4 Code S BW players? So basically, MVP would be the only possible equivalent. -never followed BW, correct me if I'm wrong- MVP wasn't code s iirc... | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On November 06 2011 15:11 blade55555 wrote: Same as everyone else from bw who played zerg Since you avoided it, I'll answer for you: We are still bitter. I'm in up in the air about whether I will be if HoTS delivers the hive speed upgrade... | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:09 Oreo7 wrote: How did you arrive at the conclusion it's a smurf? Hydra probably wouldn't name himself CJEntusHydra | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
He meant if u apply to sc2 the same categorical requirement to be in Code S in bw, then MVP would be the only one in Code S for SC2 | ||
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:13 fatalities wrote: I think he means that Code S in BW literally means you've dominated the game for a while and could be considered a candidate for best in the world. There's like 4 Code S BW players? So basically, MVP would be the only possible equivalent. -never followed BW, correct me if I'm wrong- Nestea and MC could possibly be in the ranks of S class according to BW terminology. After all, Bisu hasn't really performed in the OSL or MSL in a while. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:16 baoluvboa wrote: He meant if u apply to sc2 the same categorical requirement to be in Code S in bw, then MVP would be the only one in Code S for SC2 true, but I'm saying in BW he was just an a teamer right? oo | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:15 SafeAsCheese wrote: Hydra probably wouldn't name himself CJEntusHydra That's why he should name himself "CJEntusHydra", to throw off people who think he wouldn't | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:18 zhurai wrote: true, but I'm saying in BW he was just an a teamer right? oo Yea but he has only been playing for one year ish I believe as a pro player in proleague. He could possibly have been a great player if he kept going on BW but he was around a 40-50% player. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: That's why he should name himself "CJEntusHydra", to throw off people who think he wouldn't and the circle continues.. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Unless he knew we knew he knew we knew he knew.... | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:17 munchmunch wrote: Nestea and MC could possibly be in the ranks of S class according to BW terminology. After all, Bisu hasn't really performed in the OSL or MSL in a while. From what I understand of the meaning of "S class", it's just a completely different term from "code S". Probably closer to "bonjwa" (blasphemy! you must basically be alone at the top for an extended period of time to be called a bonjwa, I believe) than "your typical top player at the GSL". Only S-class player for SC2 would be MVP imo. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:07 ZenithM wrote: Enough with that, Code S is the best of the best in SC2 as well. Whether or not BW players are way beyond them is another matter, but for current players, being Code S is nothing to laugh at. S class was a lot more selective than Code S though. Both indicate the best, but there are some key differences. | ||
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stevorino
957 Posts
we need dem bw pros ♥ | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:24 eYeball wrote: Lol sage did just play CJEntusHydra also >_> who won XD | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
Anyone who knows the progamer lifestlye in bw they know they have little time if any to play any other games. Its not like sc2 where you can take some time off. Many bw pros play for 12+ hours a day with usually 8 being the minumum. I doubt with the stress of PL on now. They likely don't have time to play sc2, nevermind the amount he is playing currently. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:21 ZenithM wrote: From what I understand of the meaning of "S class", it's just a completely different term from "code S". Probably closer to "bonjwa" (blasphemy! you must basically be alone at the top for an extended period of time to be called a bonjwa, I believe) than "your typical top player at the GSL". Only S-class player for SC2 would be MVP imo. S-class in BW is like the biggest superstars in the NBA, or someone you would start your franchise with. So in the NBA, it would be Lebron James, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Dwyane Wade and maybe Kobe Bryant (too old now). That's pretty much the list. Similarly in BW, its a list of 4, maybe 5 people. There's no one in SC2 that's S-class simply because no one has consistent enough results over years that you can be sure you want him to start your franchise. MVP is good, but he was knocked down to Code A before, and you can't guarantee he will have continued success. Just too early to tell. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:24 hmunkey wrote: S class was a lot more selective than Code S though. Both indicate the best, but there are some key differences. S class is a classification for a player, code S is a tournament distinction. They are different to be fair. Though Code S is for the best players you cant have 32 s class players so its not the same. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:21 ZenithM wrote: From what I understand of the meaning of "S class", it's just a completely different term from "code S". Probably closer to "bonjwa" (blasphemy! you must basically be alone at the top for an extended period of time to be called a bonjwa, I believe) than "your typical top player at the GSL". Only S-class player for SC2 would be MVP imo. Most people would consider Bisu, Stork (maybe not right now), Jaedong, Flash, Fantasy, Hydra, and Effort to be "S" class BW players. They don't need to be near-bonjwas. | ||
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woobsauce
United States491 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:25 woobsauce wrote: NsHs.Sage just lost a game to someone named "CjEntusHydra." ye they playing again | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:25 SarcasmMonster wrote: Most people would consider Bisu, Stork (maybe not right now), Jaedong, Flash, Fantasy, Hydra, and Effort to be "S" class BW players. They don't need to be near-bonjwas. Actually no, the general arguement is TBLS plus occasionally Fanta, with Hydra, Zero, etc being right below on the cuff. Effort just came back, it's hard to call him S class edit: personally I consider fanta and hydra S class easily but there are a lot of people who honestly only think it's TBLS | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:19 baoluvboa wrote: Yea but he has only been playing for one year ish I believe as a pro player in proleague. He could possibly have been a great player if he kept going on BW but he was around a 40-50% player. debuted '08 in spl and was little less than 40% career; not really 50%. "S" class means very elite tier, basically the "ace" of every team who also do well in individual leagues. Think of it that way. Taekbangleesang (bisu flash jaedong stork) and some others when they are on a good streak. Things like the six dragons when they were prominent. someone just answered as I was typing, but yeah. Hydra can be s class as he is a recent MSL winner and one of CJ's aces. Effort isn't S-class right now but when he won his osl he was. S-class usually has like 70% winrates over the course of a pretty dominant period. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
I am 99.999% sure this is a smurf. Anyone who knows the progamer lifestlye in bw they know they have little time if any to play any other games. Its not like sc2 where you can take some time off. Many bw pros play for 12+ hours a day with usually 8 being the minumum. I doubt with the stress of PL on now. They likely don't have time to play sc2, nevermind the amount he is playing currently. If they're stuck at Pusan currently with not much to do, I can see them knocking out a bunch of SC2 for fun/practice. Plus, there have been constant, incessant rumors and reports that Kespa is about to include SC2 in Proleague in a very big way. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
Code S is a status for a player at SC2 for a tournament: GSL S Class: a player who's highly regarded a tier above the Class A team (see: Horang2, Soulkey, Stats etc..) and a S class by recongition by everyone (TBLS, and debatable: Leta, EffOrt (in his prime), Jangbi) | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:27 1Eris1 wrote: Actually no, the general arguement is TBLS plus occasionally Fanta, with Hydra, Zero, etc being right below on the cuff. Effort just came back, it's hard to call him S class If Zero is right below the cuff, then Effort is definitely very cuff. Effort is boss yo. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
All have been the best of their respective race for a long period of time (with the possible exception of MC, who is maybe the equivalent of Stork with his ups and downs). Players like Jjakji and Leenock are trying to reach that level of being the best for a long period of time, possibly the equivalents of Jangbi or Fantasy. To give some indication of skill, there are 4 S-class BW players. There are 32 Code S SC2 players. Just because they both have the letter "S" doesn't make them the same term, guys. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:27 1Eris1 wrote: Actually no, the general arguement is TBLS plus occasionally Fanta, with Hydra, Zero, etc being right below on the cuff. Effort just came back, it's hard to call him S class edit: personally I consider fanta and hydra S class easily but there are a lot of people who honestly only think it's TBLS Judging from Effort's current play and what his coaches and team have been saying. The Messiah is very much back. | ||
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:09 Bibbit wrote: Also note S class totally bloody means something in BW, its not like Code S at all. Hydra is goooooood!!! I'm not going to say Code S= S class but it definitely means something to be Code S in SC2 | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:31 StarStruck wrote: Judging from Effort's current play and what his coaches and team have been saying. The Messiah is very much back. Wait until SKT plays CJ and he goes up against Bisu, then we can talk And hahaha Sage just got smashed | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
I wonder what reaction everyone would have if they found out.... They've been... Hyuk'd. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:34 Lorch wrote: Aaaand "Hydra" wins again, no matter who he is chances are it's atleast the smurf of a really good sc2 pro zerg. Yeah. After the way he held off that cannon rush on an oldschool map it seems like he in the very least is very practiced. He lost literally 1 ling defending that cannon rush. | ||
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Herper
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:36 LighT. wrote: Lol, these posts are pretty humourous... I wonder what reaction everyone would have if they found out.... They've been... Hyuk'd. Hyuk isn't even Code S material XD | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
this makes bomber asking if its leenock really weird. if bomber had a reason to believe it really is hydra he probably wouldve asked him in chat wouldnt he? | ||
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Puosu
7012 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:36 Herper wrote: Maybe they just days off in the weekends? lol no it's a wonder if they even get to go home on christmas | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
Also, that "hydra" guy is pretty good. But I'm pretty sure its a smurf | ||
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Odoakar
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On December 10 2011 07:32 ToguRo wrote: I'm not going to say Code S= S class but it definitely means something to be Code S in SC2 True, but they mean totally separate things. S Class = the very best. You never see me use that word ever unless I'm talking about the player BeSt or the S Class BW players. These guys are enshrined in the BW culture. It's the difference between a mobile infantry and Seal Team 6.. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:36 SarcasmMonster wrote: Hyuk isn't even Code S material XD he would all-hyuk code s | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Sage is listening to some good music. Baby, from Justin Bieber. Not that shitty K-pop for a change! | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:38 ZenithM wrote: Off topic but still: Sage is listening to some good music. Baby, from Justin Bieber. Not that shitty K-pop for a change! You're just joking, otherwise I have lost my faith in humanity. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:38 StarStruck wrote: True, but they mean totally separate things. S Class = the very best. You never see me use that word ever unless I'm talking about the player BeSt or the S Class BW players. These guys are enshrined in the BW culture. It's the difference between a mobile infantry and Seal Team 6.. BeSt = S Class? Wat? | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:37 paschl wrote: what throws me off is that bomber and hydra were on a team in bw right? so they would know eachother. this makes bomber asking if its leenock really weird. if bomber had a reason to believe it really is hydra he probably wouldve asked him in chat wouldnt he? Or maybe Bomber is hiding that it really is Hydra? I dunno. Sick good zerg, in any regard. | ||
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StarStruck
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Read it again. Only use the word best on these forums in those two cases. Doesn't mean I think BeSt is S Class lmao. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
No, he's saying he doesn't use the word "best" unless he's talking about BeSt OR S Class BW players. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:28 Captain Peabody wrote: If they're stuck at Pusan currently with not much to do, I can see them knocking out a bunch of SC2 for fun/practice. Plus, there have been constant, incessant rumors and reports that Kespa is about to include SC2 in Proleague in a very big way. I doubt they are stuck in Pusan. CJ does not have a match during WCG so they likely have headed back home. If they were in Pusan, you can bet they would be practicing bw. This isn't sc2 where people can take vactions. Koreans are practice monsters in bw. They don't take breaks. They don't have fun unless its on holidays. they play, eat, and sleep. About the rumors with sc2. Its all speculation. Gom has the rights for at least another 10 months until next summer. so it won't happen for almost a year at least. Since Gom won't give up their rights so easily. Plus I have heard a lot aobut GSTL 2012, So Gom has the rights secured. Plus with recent viewer numbers and such. I don't think they would take a risk with sc2 PL. Bw has really good viewer numbers this year. Taking a risk would mean a big possible net loss for KeSPA and OGN. So I don't think it'll happen anytime soon. Or at least until they are sure there is a market for it. | ||
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ZenithM
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On December 10 2011 07:39 Lebzetu wrote: You're just joking, otherwise I have lost my faith in humanity. *wink* Edit: Lol so many good players streaming now, I don't know what to watch anymore. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:23 Mioraka wrote: In other words, Jaedong is like the Nestea of bw. Hydra is the leenock of bw? (just making simple comparisons.) No. Jaedong is like the Jaedong of bw. Hydra is the leenock of bw. Nestea can't touch Jaedong's raw skill. Anyone who doubts it is just kidding themselves. Give JD sc2 and some time and hell show you whatsup. Rules dont apply to BW S class players. Hopefully it never comes to this and he rapes flash in BW Really doubt hydra's going to switch anytime soon. In his last CJ interview he said "3 wins is nothing". He wants to dominate BW and really wants a chance to get another OSL title (especially now that its the only individual league left, and ALL players are going to give it their all for the 1st place). Personally, I'd like him to leave bw and dominate sc2. JD is the zerg king. I don't like seeing his overall performance (coughjvzwtfhappened cough) and domination as the best zerg contested by this scrub (relative scrub haha). But seriously, Hydras a damned good player. | ||
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On December 10 2011 07:45 ZenithM wrote: *wink* Edit: Lol so many good players streaming now, I don't know what to watch anymore. Selection is never a bad thing my friend. Really glad that more Korean players are starting to stream. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:46 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: No. Jaedong is like the Jaedong of bw. Hydra is the leenock of bw. Nestea can't touch Jaedong's raw skill. Anyone who doubts it is just kidding themselves. Give JD sc2 and some time and hell show you whatsup. Rules dont apply to BW S class players. Hopefully it never comes to this and he rapes flash in BW Really doubt hydra's going to switch anytime soon. In his last CJ interview he said "3 wins is nothing". He wants to dominate BW and really wants a chance to get another OSL title (especially now that its the only individual league left, and ALL players are going to give it their all for the 1st place). Personally, I'd like him to leave bw and dominate sc2. JD is the zerg king. I don't like seeing his overall performance (coughjvzwtfhappened cough) and domination as the best zerg contested by this scrub (relative scrub haha). But seriously, Hydras a damned good player.I hope effort will take the zerg throne in this year | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
I doubt they are stuck in Pusan. CJ does not have a match during WCG so they likely have headed back home. If they were in Pusan, you can bet they would be practicing bw. This isn't sc2 where people can take vactions. Koreans are practice monsters in bw. They don't take breaks. They don't have fun unless its on holidays. they play, eat, and sleep. About the rumors with sc2. Its all speculation. Gom has the rights for at least another 10 months until next summer. so it won't happen for almost a year at least. Since Gom won't give up their rights so easily. Plus I have heard a lot aobut GSTL 2012, So Gom has the rights secured. Plus with recent viewer numbers and such. I don't think they would take a risk with sc2 PL. Bw has really good viewer numbers this year. Taking a risk would mean a big possible net loss for KeSPA and OGN. So I don't think it'll happen anytime soon. Or at least until they are sure there is a market for it. I wouldn't be so sure to dismiss rumors of SC2 in proleague. We have confirmation from many sources that BW teams are upgrading their computers, having people practice SC2, and the like. There's no reason why GOM couldn't come to an agreement with Kespa about Proleague, and we really haven't heard that much about GSTL in 2012. I'm not saying it's going to happen right away, but I think some kind of Kespa involvement in SC2 is really much more than just a rumor at this point. One way or another, it's going to happen, I think. | ||
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France12578 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:45 bgx wrote: forgg streaming! maybe he will encounter our player X :D As much as this speculation is fun, my boy Sheth is on. <3 | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:49 bgx wrote: I hope effort will take the zerg throne in this year He probably will. Wasn't really impressed with JD's play in the first two weeks. X-x Effort looks more solid. Good thing I like both, so I don't really care. If it happens. Weee! If not, I won't lose any sleep over it. | ||
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Germany330 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:44 masterbreti wrote: I doubt they are stuck in Pusan. CJ does not have a match during WCG so they likely have headed back home. If they were in Pusan, you can bet they would be practicing bw. This isn't sc2 where people can take vactions. Koreans are practice monsters in bw. They don't take breaks. They don't have fun unless its on holidays. they play, eat, and sleep. About the rumors with sc2. Its all speculation. Gom has the rights for at least another 10 months until next summer. so it won't happen for almost a year at least. Since Gom won't give up their rights so easily. Plus I have heard a lot aobut GSTL 2012, So Gom has the rights secured. Plus with recent viewer numbers and such. I don't think they would take a risk with sc2 PL. Bw has really good viewer numbers this year. Taking a risk would mean a big possible net loss for KeSPA and OGN. So I don't think it'll happen anytime soon. Or at least until they are sure there is a market for it. The thing is they did. I have no idea if they are still there. Khan stuck around for KT versus SK though. Teams do take short vacations for refreshment from their daily grind. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:58 ACrow wrote: Thanks op for translating and also for giving us no-BW guys a little bit of background (without the BW elitist attitude that is so common unfortunately). Appreciated Oh come on. It really isn't that common actually. You guys are taking that from certain articles. -_- | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:59 StarStruck wrote: Oh come on. It really isn't that common actually. You guys are taking that from certain articles. -_- He probably read the comments in the thread about possible SC2 in Proleague posted in the BW forums. | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. | ||
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Lithuania324 Posts
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Omar91
Angola620 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote: I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2. I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. I don't believe it will be a crazy one-sided margin based on how the game plays. I expect way more competition at the top of the chain though. If or when that ever happens. | ||
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blanks.yuC
Poland61 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:13 Omar91 wrote: perfect timing for the thors.. Should be, he has done that build 90% of his TvZ that I have watched... | ||
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United States2131 Posts
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mapthesoul
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
ForGG beasting with his harass-mech again though. | ||
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Germany912 Posts
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StarStruck
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France15952 Posts
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Congism
Scotland123 Posts
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Assaulter
Lithuania324 Posts
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StarStruck
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rofl yup... this is becoming a bad habit. | ||
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
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United Kingdom120 Posts
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Angola620 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9108 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:09 Bibbit wrote: Also note S class totally bloody means something in BW, its not like Code S at all. Hydra is goooooood!!! Hydra isn't considered S Class in bw is he? Thought that was eliminated to the top elite.... unless I'm missing something. | ||
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Dispersion
Korea (South)504 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:15 ptrpb wrote: Oh shit... CJ is going to start a SC2 division and re-acquire Idra... but this time + Show Spoiler + AS AN A-TEAMER Maybe he'd have a decent ZvZ practice partner then, though Coca may be able to help. | ||
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Grettin
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
Stephano hit Sage like 4 times almost in a row earlier I think | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:16 Ornithorynquez wrote: yay, someone should ask fOrGG to up the replay somewhere. Nothing to learn from. Both these guys don't really know how to play SC2. They're this good already because of talent. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Hydra's weakness in BW is ZvT, only seems fair | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:17 Grettin wrote: So.. Is this guy even confirmed to be the real Hydra then? Of course not xD As for why he keeps playing streaming players, there's probably just not that many players in the MMR range on right now. These games have been happening basically between 5am and 8am KST. | ||
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stevorino
957 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:17 Grettin wrote: So.. Is this guy even confirmed to be the real Hydra then? no one knows, sadly :/ | ||
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StarStruck
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On December 10 2011 08:17 Jonoman92 wrote: Hydra isn't considered Code S in bw is he? Thought that was eliminated to the top elite.... unless I'm missing something. Code S is different from Class S. Code S GSL SC2 nomination. Class S is used to describe the best BW players in the world and they have dominated for a long, long time. P.S. That is not CJ Entus' Hydra playing FOrGG. It's a pro's smurf account. | ||
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nglt
United States187 Posts
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Grettin
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Thats what i thought. I really doubt CJ players are putting this much effort on SC2 already. | ||
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Norway600 Posts
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ssi.bal-listic
United States568 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9108 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:19 StarStruck wrote: Code S is different from Class S. Code S GSL SC2 nomination. Class S is used to describe the best BW players in the world and they have dominated for a long, long time. I'm aware. I just don't see why Bibbit is saying Hydra is S Class. In my original post I wrote "Code S" when I meant "S class" | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:20 Vetrocide wrote: wow hydra is sick good at early hellion defense You are not supposed to take damage when you make 2 spines | ||
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StarStruck
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On December 10 2011 08:21 Jonoman92 wrote: I'm aware. I just don't see why Bibbit is saying Hydra is S Class. In my original post I wrote "Code S" when I meant "S class" My bad, thought that was weird coming from you too because I know you follow the BW scene -.- Glad you cleared that up. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:21 SafeAsCheese wrote: You are not supposed to take damage when you make 2 spines He lost barely any drones even when FORGG elevated into the main base his drone control was pretty good considering he had almost no units to defend with except the queens. But he lost too much mining time and FORGG came out on top. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:21 SafeAsCheese wrote: You are not supposed to take damage when you make 2 spines however his general sense of spreading spines, scout timings and knowing builds indicates that person behind it doesnt treat it as "hobby" doubt its hydra, or he was secretely training for 1-2 months, which i doubt given his bw stellar performance | ||
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yoshi245
United States2972 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:21 ssi.bal-listic wrote: ForGG playing against Hydra now XD This should be entertaining. I wonder if ForGG's aggressive style will crack Hydra (if it really is him). | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:18 T.O.P. wrote: Nothing to learn from. Both these guys don't really know how to play SC2. They're this good already because of talent. lol forgg doesn't really know how to play after 11 months? xD ForGG really has some pretty banshee control, will be interesting to see if the Zerg handles things better this game knowing that ForGG is basically doing the same build again. | ||
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Portugal1857 Posts
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Keone
United States812 Posts
Am I missing something? They're talking about a very popular korean TV singing competition. Why is the fact that Hydra tweets Puma suddenly indicative of an SC2 switch...??? | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:23 Keone wrote: LOL WAIT. Am I missing something? They're talking about a very popular korean TV singing competition. Why is the fact that Hydra tweets Puma suddenly indicative of an SC2 switch...??? Look at the dates. This thread is no longer about the twitter. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
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Remb
United States190 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:23 Keone wrote: LOL WAIT. Am I missing something? They're talking about a very popular korean TV singing competition. Why is the fact that Hydra tweets Puma suddenly indicative of an SC2 switch...??? Says "STARCRAFT 1,2" | ||
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Germany1726 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:23 Keone wrote: LOL WAIT. Am I missing something? They're talking about a very popular korean TV singing competition. Why is the fact that Hydra tweets Puma suddenly indicative of an SC2 switch...??? The twitter stuff is referencing the fact all CJ players switched their tags to reading "starcraft 1, 2" | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:23 Keone wrote: LOL WAIT. Am I missing something? They're talking about a very popular korean TV singing competition. Why is the fact that Hydra tweets Puma suddenly indicative of an SC2 switch...??? You can't stop the hype machine No seriously, you can't. There is absolutely no proof that this is the real Hydra, only reason that says it isn't. They might have started messing with sc2 internally though. | ||
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StarStruck
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Cookie cutter build that he's focusing on. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:26 1Eris1 wrote: Gonna laugh when GSL 2012 comes around and all the zergs are expecting Forgg to hit them with helion+cloaked banshee and then he does like some mass raven/marine shit or something. probably thats gonna happen, in half of the games every player is blindly countering this when playing vs him :D | ||
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Germany912 Posts
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StarStruck
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Playing again. | ||
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Ryncol
United States980 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:30 Kimaker wrote: I missed the ending, who tapped out? Forgg lost the second game on Shattered | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:30 Kimaker wrote: I missed the ending, who tapped out? ForGG. HydraLeenock did ling runby's into the main and nat, got mutas out to clear up the thors and stop the first push. Countered with mutas to clear up most of ForGG's mining while the second push was coming, then fell back to clear that up. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:30 Kimaker wrote: I missed the ending, who tapped out? Hydra won. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:25 tnud wrote: You can't stop the hype machine No seriously, you can't. There is absolutely no proof that this is the real Hydra, only reason that says it isn't. They might have started messing with sc2 internally though. Well, their is some proof, whether or not you think it shows it's the real Hydra is another question. | ||
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Netherlands640 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:30 Odoakar wrote: This is now officially sniping lol No, it's not... It's called having very few people online in their MMR range | ||
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Canada13817 Posts
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StarStruck
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On December 10 2011 08:30 mapthesoul wrote: Bo3! More like Bo9. They've been playing this entire afternoon. | ||
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United States2099 Posts
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On December 10 2011 08:31 iky43210 wrote: its not real hydra Everyone knows. | ||
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Germany3392 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:31 SafeAsCheese wrote: No, it's not... It's called having very few people online in their MMR range I have seen him play today in every Korean stream, multiple times. I highly doubt it's just an MMR thing. | ||
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blanks.yuC
Poland61 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:30 Odoakar wrote: This is now officially sniping lol You do realize they end games and click find new game at the exact same time right? | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
playing a game of pretend is not good cause there will actually be new people browsing this thread seriously think its hydra of course its not the real hydra. All BW players are not allowed to play sc2 under their real tag yet | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:31 1Eris1 wrote: Forgg's weakness definetely seems to be mutas. It's just until you get mutas, playing vs him is hellish Make someone defend mutas with only thors and everyone look weak against them. | ||
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Romania74 Posts
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m2e
United States108 Posts
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United Kingdom397 Posts
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Gemini_19
United States1257 Posts
Just one perspective on things. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:32 StarStruck wrote: Okay, apparently everyone keeps missing the whole smurf stuff. thing is we dont care ;D | ||
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United States153 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:32 Odoakar wrote: I have seen him play today in every Korean stream, multiple times. I highly doubt it's just an MMR thing. They both finish their games at the same time. They both queue. The other people in their MMR range are in games. They get matched again. It's completely normal | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:33 RaKooNs wrote: Bomber just played him on GM korean ladder, confirmed. That confirmed nothing. Everyone is assuming it's Leenock. | ||
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Poland6595 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
forgg decides to expand faster this time metagamed | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
edit: assuming it's actually him | ||
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he's indeed pretty good. Does not really matter who he really is lol. | ||
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United States6151 Posts
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France12578 Posts
He keep doing the hellions into banshee into thors push, or proxy 2rax marine agression in every TvZ. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:39 NB wrote: http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3592145/CJEntushydra just on forGG stream OMG OMG OMG OMG O_O ...holy shit. | ||
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Grettin
42384 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:38 Xaeldaren wrote: He didn't just beat him, he CRUSHED him. Wow. Just FYI, ForGG made a huge mistake and any top level zerg would have "crushed" him after that. | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:41 Grettin wrote: Just FYI, ForGG made a huge mistake and any top level zerg would have "crushed" him after that. i missed it, what did he do? | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
Pushed far into creep with like 25 marines and 2 tanks, lost them all to a few banes and lings. GG'ed after | ||
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m4gdelen4
United States416 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:10 Phyrigian wrote: he hasnt tweeted about it from what i know, just says "CJ Entus, SC1/SC2" at the top. hes definitely borderline. By S class i mean TBLS (Flash, Stork, Jaedong, and Bisu), but if anything hes a tier below that with people like fantasy sea and killer perhaps. For me S class is like TBLS (Flash, Stork, Jaedong, Bisu). They all excel at three matchups for their respective races. Fantasy is S class in the sense that his TvP is S class. But yeah it actually means something in BW. | ||
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Dezire
Netherlands640 Posts
9 and a half minute push with 2 tanks and a bunch of marines and 2 hellions, no stim, moved onto creep. didnt siege and got surrounded and overrun by speedlings and slow banes | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:40 Kznn wrote: Ok. This guy beated bomber/sage/forgg in the same day? he's indeed pretty good. Does not really matter who he really is lol. I think he lost to bomber twice and won once. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:42 m4gdelen4 wrote: For me S class is like TBLS (Flash, Stork, Jaedong, Bisu). They all excel at three matchups for their respective races. Fantasy is S class in the sense that his TvP is S class. But yeah it actually means something in BW. Can't forget Effort's ZvP or Hydra's ZvZ. Both S-Class MU's. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:38 pPingu wrote: Forgg should stop doing 2 base timings push sometimes, too risky This ^^ half of the games I feel he really should set himself up to take a third instead of hitting another timing. He relies too much on his good micro. His opponent (he is good and does not seem to play like other Zs I've seen) suffers a little from this as well, taking his expos a little later than usual. Also he plays a tad too safe imo - u don't really need 3 queens and two spines so early. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: ForGG pushed into creep without stim?... He plays with a really late stim so often vs both Z and T, and then often overcommits without out. It's kind of weird >< | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:44 Kimaker wrote: Can't forget Effort's ZvP or Hydra's ZvZ. Both S-Class MU's. Yes, but S Class means specifically that. They are well-rounded in every match-up. If a player excels at one match-up, we coin them snipers. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:44 Kimaker wrote: Can't forget Effort's ZvP or Hydra's ZvZ. Both S-Class MU's. in the matter players like horang2 can be considered S-class players in a certain matchup (pvp) but not overall. I guess your right, theres just a few players that have all 3 at a s-class level. | ||
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ShineOnYou
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SuperCarl
Sweden36 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:46 StarStruck wrote: Yes, but S Class means specifically that. They are well-rounded in every match-up. If a player excels at one match-up, we coin them snipers. I know that. But he referenced Fantasy and his one specific S-class MU, so I had to jump at a chance to advertise for CJ Also, Effort really is borderline S-class right along with Fantasy. Guy's fucking scary when he's on his A game. Calling him a sniper would be selling him short. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:48 ShineOnYou wrote: I wish they would just say straight up whats going on instead of making us play detective..Why would he play sc2 which in sc1 proleague? wouldnt that be very hard to stay at his 100% in bw? Does that mean they are expecting an eminent introduction of sc2 in proleague? I want answers :s In BW, we had this all the time man. You could have as many smurfs as you want and every season of a private ladder we would have threads dedicated to it. They would be over 50+ pages each to find out who's who and we could figure out a lot of them by looking at the replays and hot keys. Romad anyone? Anyway, it's a lot of FUN! | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:44 ACrow wrote: This ^^ half of the games I feel he really should set himself up to take a third instead of hitting another timing. He relies too much on his good micro. His opponent (he is good and does not seem to play like other Zs I've seen) suffers a little from this as well, taking his expos a little later than usual. Also he plays a tad too safe imo - u don't really need 3 queens and two spines so early. Bringing his BW style to SC2. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:50 Kimaker wrote: I know that. But he referenced Fantasy and his one specific S-class MU, so I had to jump at a chance to advertise for CJ Also, Effort really is borderline S-class right along with Fantasy. Guy's fucking scary when he's on his A game. Calling him a sniper would be selling him short. :o Fantasy's TvT isn't something to write off either though. Only knock on Fantasy is his stupid TvZ. Effort is very, very well-rounded. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:52 ImbaTosS wrote: Couldn't give a damn about rumours any more. They're the most destructive thing of all, chipping away at everyone's mindset. Hardly the most destructive thing of all. It's just fun for the hype. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:53 StarStruck wrote: :o Fantasy's TvT isn't something to write off either though. Only knock on Fantasy is his stupid TvZ. Effort is very, very well-rounded. Fantasy's TvZ....oh my. I can't help but grin when I think of all the games where he tried to go Bio heavy or SK Terran....the man needs to stick with his Mech. His TvT is definitely good though. | ||
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VENDIZ
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NoobCamper
United States22 Posts
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:01 darkest44 wrote: Does ForGG not realize you can turn hp bars on for units? Never see a player playing without them... Earlier this year WhiteRa played with them off because he was used to it from BW, but now he's switched . | ||
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yoshi245
United States2972 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:01 darkest44 wrote: Does ForGG not realize you can turn hp bars on for units? Never see a player playing without them... Maybe he does it to intentionally handicap himself to improve his game sense? | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:00 NoobCamper wrote: Can anyone confirm CJEntusHydra in masters as the real hydra? I just saw him beat oGsfOrGG in ladder. Just wanted to know if he's the real thing. this. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QUit0.png) The picture describes itself, interpret it how you will. My operation has been completed. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:08 DeepBlu2 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CH4Uv.png) The picture describes itself, interpret it how you will. My operation has been completed. You just killed the fun for everyone. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:08 DeepBlu2 wrote: The picture describes itself, interpret it how you will. My operation has been completed. Sorry, I spelled that wrong. It's supposed to say: "Is he the real Hydra?" The Korean is correct, just not the english. thanks for the info | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:08 DeepBlu2 wrote: The picture describes itself, interpret it how you will. My operation has been completed. Ask him why he doesn't use hp bars >,> | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:08 DeepBlu2 wrote: The picture describes itself, interpret it how you will. My operation has been completed. I guess it might be annoying for him, but if he'd be willing to answer whether he knows who it actually is that would be neat =p I always like a good mystery, but it's nice to get an answer to it haha =p | ||
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:08 DeepBlu2 wrote: The picture describes itself, interpret it how you will. My operation has been completed. Thank God. CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:08 DeepBlu2 wrote: The picture describes itself, interpret it how you will. My operation has been completed. but the way you said it to him seem like you are asking forgg if he's Hydra not whether if the guy he played was Hydra i could be wrong tho and i just got really bad at korean | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:13 TicketoHELL wrote: but the way you said it to him seem like you are asking forgg if he's Hydra not whether if the guy he played was Hydra i could be wrong tho and i just got really bad at korean I'm pretty sure ForGG knows exactly what people are asking him, regardless of grammatical errors | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
It can be said in 3rd person too though... I really think he understood it fine... I'm probably not going to ask again. I'm 99% sure he understood. EDIT: Adding this into my post since seemingly 70% of the people don't read past the first post. (No offense.) + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:16 DeepBlu2 wrote: Actually it was asked in 2nd person. I will ask again. Wait until his game is over, I don't want to bother him. It can be said in 3rd person too though... I really think he understood it fine... I'm probably not going to ask again. I'm 99% sure he understood. idk when i first read the dialogue i interpreted it differently might be just me not wanting to know that its not Hydra | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
I hope it cleared it up some... I'm not going to message Forgg anymore. I don't want to bother him. EDIT: Adding this into my post since seemingly 70% of the people don't read past the first post. (No offense.) + Show Spoiler + | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:16 bgx wrote: so then its Effort I like the way you think. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:27 SarcasmMonster wrote: The slim possibility that its Hydra lives on. Yes indeed he beat FoRGG twice in a row and has a 82+ win rate quite impressive although it could be a high level Zergs smurf; I doubt it look at the win rate that's ridiculously good for KR server GM/High Master | ||
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:38 xiaofan wrote: actually just saw "cjentushydra" on forgg's stream, which im guessing is not a fake lol, you are late to the party | ||
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
i think he is a very successful troll | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
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truewt
Singapore121 Posts
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ParkBomLove
Korea (South)22 Posts
Hmmm... he plays damn good though! Gotta love speculation! ^_^ | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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Racer
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
The fact that we don't know indicates that this guy is being secretive about who he is. If he actually was Hydra and didn't want to advertise that fact to the world, wouldn't he choose a different ID? =/ | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On December 10 2011 10:16 Sarang wrote: i dunno, but if people have to speculate whether a player called 'cjentushydra' is actually CJ Entus's Hydra - doesn't it imply that it's not? The fact that we don't know indicates that this guy is being secretive about who he is. If he actually was Hydra and didn't want to advertise that fact to the world, wouldn't he choose a different ID? =/ It'll be interesting to know who it is though, considering the guy is sitting on a 32-7 ladder record. Probably some already established SC2 Zerg. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:16 DeepBlu2 wrote: Actually it was asked in 2nd person. I will ask again. Wait until his game is over, I don't want to bother him. It can be said in 3rd person too though... I really think he understood it fine... I'm probably not going to ask again. I'm 99% sure he understood. EDIT: Adding this into my post since seemingly 70% of the people don't read past the first post. (No offense.) + Show Spoiler + on that picture u asked "are you Hydra" to ForGG aka Raptor. You should have asked Hydra directly. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On December 10 2011 10:18 GreEny K wrote: If a team from BW switched to SC2, they will be the best... Simple. They already have huge sponsors and enough money to actually pay all members a high salary. The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 10:26 GrazerRinge wrote: on that picture u asked "are you Hydra" to ForGG aka Raptor. You should have asked Hydra directly. He asked again, properly, and forgg said "i don't think so" | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On December 10 2011 10:32 SafeAsCheese wrote: He asked again, properly, and forgg said "i don't think so" well this closes nothing then...i also agree we should attempt to ask hydra himself if he is hydra or another sick good zerg | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:12 DarkMatter_ wrote: It's obviously a very high level zerg...but it just seems really unlikely that someone like that would do something unprofessional like pretending to be another player. That makes me think that it could very well be the real Hydra. I've seen a few people say that it might be Leenock but I just can't imagine him doing something like this. That's what I was thinking. This guy is a pro caliber player. I imagine naming yourself after someone else including the team tag would be frowned upon if he is a pro or intending to become one. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Also can't see any SC2 Zergs impersonating him why would they do that? Unless they are Trolling | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
He does the 1-0 thing in the MLG replays as well. So I may look like a complete fool because I don't know how to use Sc2gears. I feel like this dosen't deserve it's own topic but here we go. xSDKx @dongwon8247 Are you playing StarCraft 2? dongwon8247 @xSDKx No~ So first, I asked Forgg to which he replied, no, that is not hydra. Sage had a similar response. I am completely sure this is not Hydra. However, I asked for a replay to compare it to and was told to compare it to Losira by 라푼젤(Rapunzel) (Credit goes to him) This is what I found ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5RFSs.jpg) Hotkeys match but I am confused as to how sc2gears works. So please inform me if I am wrong. And if someone knows sc2gears, please inform me. | ||
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
On December 10 2011 10:30 XsebT wrote: The question is whether the sponsors will stick around in that case. I don't think sc2 is able to produce nearly as good viewer ratings as bw can. Getting their brand out to the masses is obviously the main goal for any sponsor. Also, I highly doubt that's hydra. Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:19 XRaDiiX wrote: He took two games in a row off ForGG anD he beat Sage. I Ageee with the post above me he's obviously a high level Zerg player just look at the record. Also can't see any SC2 Zergs impersonating him why would they do that? Unless they are Trolling You never know.AriA is just an amateur BW player he could have beat Huk.Many ppl speculate AriA to be Jaedong but its not. This "Hydra" is probably a very high level smurf account zerg player. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. This seriously better be a troll post. This has to be one of the most ignorant posts I've read on TL. o_o | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:25 DeepBlu2 wrote: So I may look like a complete fool because I don't know how to use Sc2gears. I feel like this dosen't deserve it's own topic but here we go. So first, I asked Forgg to which he replied, no, that is not hydra. Sage had a similar response. I am completely sure this is not Hydra. However, I asked for a replay to compare it to and was told to compare it to Losira by 라푼젤(Rapunzel) (Credit goes to him) This is what I found Hotkeys match but I am confused as to how sc2gears works. So please inform me if I am wrong. And if someone knows sc2gears, please inform me. They dont match. The first guy " Hydra" Isn't using 6 AT ALL. Where Losira is using from mid game ~~ | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:29 mtn wrote: They dont match. The first guy " Hydra" Isn't using 6 AT ALL. Where Losira is using from mid game ~~ That's because the games end at different times. Check the bottom for the timer. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. Did someone just call Samsung a joke? | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. LOL, this better be a troll post, or I lost faith in humanity .... | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. You post is extremely ignorant. First of all, without even knowing the numbers, I can with confidence say that the amount sponsored to a team like Liquid` is peanuts compared to a team like Samsung Khan or CJ Entus. About getting viewers to see your brand... Not only is the entire sc2 audience much smaller than that of bw (big sc2 finals get ~60k viewers), but these viewers are also spread all over the world, and it's thus hard to focus both advertising and sponsor money. Korea has an awesome number of bw viewers packed into a very small area - making both advertising and brand sponsoring very easy. Sc2 is doing very well even outside korea, but it just doesn't compare to the bw proscene in terms of viewers, sponsor money and how organized this is through kespa. | ||
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forSeohyun
504 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:31 DeepBlu2 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2011 11:29 mtn wrote: They dont match. The first guy " Hydra" Isn't using 6 AT ALL. Where Losira is using from mid game ~~ That's because the games end at different times. Check the bottom for the timer. Hm, looks like CJEntusHydra assigns all his hotkeys, 1 through 0, at the start if I don't read the graphs wrong while Losira's in the range 1-5, I don't know if that is noteworthy; just thought I'd mention it. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. A joke? Do you even know who are the BW sponsors? They are legit big name companies, not gaming hardware makers. | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. There are enough money in Korean scene to support multiple BW players with 6 figure salaries. The west has enough money to maybe support 2-3 players with that kind of salary. KeSPA is consistent of massive corporation (Samsung SKT etc), not just gaming related sponsors like in the west. | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:31 DeepBlu2 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2011 11:29 mtn wrote: They dont match. The first guy " Hydra" Isn't using 6 AT ALL. Where Losira is using from mid game ~~ That's because the games end at different times. Check the bottom for the timer. Oh. Thanks for pointing that out. Then You are right. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On December 10 2011 10:18 pdd wrote: It'll be interesting to know who it is though, considering the guy is sitting on a 32-7 ladder record. Probably some already established SC2 Zerg. Judging from the last few replies, it looks like it's LosirA. So seems that you're right. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. I certainly hope your just trolling. Korea is one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and its economy is already one of the biggest in Asia. BW teams players earn way way more than what any SC2 players earn today (not including BW prize money). Please improve your general knowledge before making sweeping statements. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On December 10 2011 12:49 SarcasmMonster wrote: When did Losira learn to deal with aggression in ZvT? I don't think its Losira, though the hotkeys are very similiar, at the beginning 'Hydra' assigns all of his hotkeys to something where as the Losira charts show him only hotkeying 1-5. Seems subtle but why would he randomly switch up how and when he assigns his hotkeys? | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On December 10 2011 13:02 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I don't think its Losira, though the hotkeys are very similiar, at the beginning 'Hydra' assigns all of his hotkeys to something where as the Losira charts show him only hotkeying 1-5. Seems subtle but why would he randomly switch up how and when he assigns his hotkeys? That's really the only difference though... And I personally as a masters random, do stuff like that all the time. Some games I will spam constantly for higher apm, while others I will just sit there for 1 minute not doing anything... Hotkeys as well, sometimes i just run my keyboard across 0-9... That's really the only inconsistency though. Not to mention this is only one replay which was hard to obtain. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 10 2011 10:18 pdd wrote: It'll be interesting to know who it is though, considering the guy is sitting on a 32-7 ladder record. Probably some already established SC2 Zerg. FWIW, during one of the games from fOrGG's stream yesterday, the in-game conversation went something like this (in korean): him: hello, do you know if hydra is playing SC2? fOrGG: nope him: oh, cause i just played someone whose ID was CJENTUSHydra fOrGG: oh really? him: yes, and i asked him if he's really hydra and he said yes fOrGG: ahhh ok | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On December 10 2011 13:22 jellyjello wrote: FWIW, during one of the games from fOrGG's stream yesterday, the in-game conversation went something like this (in korean): him: hello, do you know if hydra is playing SC2? fOrGG: nope him: oh, cause i just played someone whose ID was CJENTUSHydra fOrGG: oh really? him: yes, and i asked him if he's really hydra and he said yes fOrGG: ahhh ok If this is legit,then O.O The real Hydra is sick good. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50790 Posts
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MonsterBeast
Canada193 Posts
we all know thats not him by now tho. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:42 windsupernova wrote: A joke? Do you even know who are the BW sponsors? They are legit big name companies, not gaming hardware makers. This. Also, even the big gaming hardware makers actually sponsor a million teams at the same time, I can't imagine that sponsorship is very lucrative to begin with. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:42 windsupernova wrote: A joke? Do you even know who are the BW sponsors? They are legit big name companies, not gaming hardware makers. Just wanted out point out that there is a difference between sponsoring a team and actually owning it. KT owns KT Rolsters and Samsung owns Samsung Khan...etc. But, I get what you are trying to say. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On December 10 2011 13:48 jellyjello wrote: Just wanted out point out that there is a difference between sponsoring a team and actually owning it. KT owns KT Rolsters and Samsung owns Samsung Khan...etc. But, I get what you are trying to say. You know, you can't actually own people these days. What you can do, is have them on contract, and I'm pretty sure those are quite common in both games. Money is where the power is at with these things. | ||
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RetoX
Hong Kong252 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 Rikke wrote: Korean sponsors are a joke compared to US/EU Sponsors. A Korean team can easily get International Sponsors. Look how few results coL and Liquid deliver - and they have great sponsors. I bet EG gets more than all korean teams combined from their sponsors. SC2 will continue to grow into the international scene. Korea is only so big in sc because the international players are spread across the whole world, that makes a better version of GSL impossible. The korean economy is just not big enough. If SC2 growth alot more, Korea will no longer be the center of SC2 - because the money is in the west. ... Atm, BW teams have way more money than SC2's. Just think about salaries, they are 3x more important in BW than SC2. I guess mvp must like 40k$ a year (and i'm pretty sure he earns less), flash is around 400k$. You think SlayerS have more fans than STK1 or KT? :/ | ||
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
Flash 400k$ ? that will be fucking dream for him where from this numbers coming lolbtw. where is Hydra on this screen? any Korean translater here? http://i.imgur.com/3dWz0.jpg http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168 | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:33 Fanek wrote: @RetoX you are so wrong, mvp earn a lot more than 40k $ per year. Flash 400k$ ? that will be fucking dream for him where from this numbers coming lolbtw. where is Hydra on this screen? any Korean translater here? http://i.imgur.com/3dWz0.jpg http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168 According to TLPD Hydra is 신동원 which is the 2nd readable name in the top left list. No other BW pro seem to share that name. Anyway would be surprised if CJentushydra is actually Losira. Something as fundamental as assigning 1-0 to control groups at the start of the game is not just something you change unless you actively try to disguise yourself. How often do you see pros change the way they split, the way the early-game spam, their hatch hotkeys, etc. from game to game? (A: never) | ||
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Puosu
7012 Posts
Flash 400k$ ? that will be fucking dream for him where from this numbers coming lol The high school gamer with a $250,000 (300000000 Korean Won) salary: FLASH Q: What’s your salary? -The income includes prize money from the leagues. On the low side, it’s about 250000000 won, and it can get up to 400000000 won on the high side. Last year I got about 300000000 won. - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129095 Not that far off. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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Termit
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OnFire
324 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:23 RetoX wrote: ... Atm, BW teams have way more money than SC2's. Just think about salaries, they are 3x more important in BW than SC2. I guess mvp must like 40k$ a year (and i'm pretty sure he earns less), flash is around 400k$. You think SlayerS have more fans than STK1 or KT? :/ MVP has made $231,590 in under a year, from pure tournament wins. Source: http://sc2earnings.com/player/121/jeong-jong-hyeon | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 10 2011 23:14 Puosu wrote: - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129095 Not that far off. Flash made 500K last year (Salary + Winnings). Over one million over his career. | ||
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sTsCompleted
United States380 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:19 sTsCompleted wrote: can someone explain to me why everyone hates KeSPA so much? Wasn't aware of the pro scene when I bw'd totalitarian rule | ||
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N1k0
Uruguay1075 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:52 grudgeStar wrote: MVP has made $231,590 in under a year, from pure tournament wins. Source: http://sc2earnings.com/player/121/jeong-jong-hyeon Salary != Tournament Wins | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:19 sTsCompleted wrote: can someone explain to me why everyone hates KeSPA so much? Wasn't aware of the pro scene when I bw'd They made a lot of stupid decisions in the past so because of that people started blaming anything bad that ever happens in the BW scene on KeSPA and it just snowballed from there. I've seen a ton of events attributed to KeSPA that isn't even related to them =_= | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 11 2011 02:15 Milkis wrote: They made a lot of stupid decisions in the past so because of that people started blaming anything bad that ever happens in the BW scene on KeSPA and it just snowballed from there. I've seen a ton of events attributed to KeSPA that isn't even related to them =_= Yup, it's pretty sad. | ||
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TensaiSakuragi
Croatia224 Posts
On December 11 2011 02:15 Milkis wrote: They made a lot of stupid decisions in the past so because of that people started blaming anything bad that ever happens in the BW scene on KeSPA and it just snowballed from there. I've seen a ton of events attributed to KeSPA that isn't even related to them =_= Maybe you could give some concrete examples of WHAT they did wrong. I'm also interested in that and just from the information that they made some bad decisions I can't imagine too much. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:02 rasnj wrote: According to TLPD Hydra is 신동원 which is the 2nd readable name in the top left list. No other BW pro seem to share that name. Anyway would be surprised if CJentushydra is actually Losira. Something as fundamental as assigning 1-0 to control groups at the start of the game is not just something you change unless you actively try to disguise yourself. How often do you see pros change the way they split, the way the early-game spam, their hatch hotkeys, etc. from game to game? (A: never) + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2011 11:25 DeepBlu2 wrote: So I may look like a complete fool because I don't know how to use Sc2gears. I feel like this dosen't deserve it's own topic but here we go. So first, I asked Forgg to which he replied, no, that is not hydra. Sage had a similar response. I am completely sure this is not Hydra. However, I asked for a replay to compare it to and was told to compare it to Losira by 라푼젤(Rapunzel) (Credit goes to him) This is what I found Hotkeys match but I am confused as to how sc2gears works. So please inform me if I am wrong. And if someone knows sc2gears, please inform me. I disagree as it is something I see a lot not something necessarily repeated which is why I'm going to obtain another replay of Hydra's and do the same thing... If you are using a smurf, admit that you are hydra, but it is found that everyone on ladder like Forgg think you are lieing, the hotkeys match another pro gamer 98%...As well as the fact that whenever asked to tweet it, he refused...Also, when I told him that he was Losira after one of his games he finally replied asking "why?"...This is after I asked him 2-3 times who he was in between games, and saying he was Losira was the only thing that made him reply.. I'm going to get another replay and prove that it is Losira. | ||
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 11 2011 02:18 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Maybe you could give some concrete examples of WHAT they did wrong. I'm also interested in that and just from the information that they made some bad decisions I can't imagine too much. This for exemple Shortly after, KeSPA changed the rule so that only "ppp", "gg", and "GG" are allowed to be typed in without being disqualified. BackHo was also GoRush's opponent during his disqualification from the 2009 Bacchus OSL after he mistakenly typed 'ㅎㅎ' instead of gg and then typed an 'a' in their final game. GoRush was forced to forfeit both games and BackHo moved on to the next round.. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:38 XsebT wrote: You post is extremely ignorant. First of all, without even knowing the numbers, I can with confidence say that the amount sponsored to a team like Liquid` is peanuts compared to a team like Samsung Khan or CJ Entus. About getting viewers to see your brand... Not only is the entire sc2 audience much smaller than that of bw (big sc2 finals get ~60k viewers), but these viewers are also spread all over the world, and it's thus hard to focus both advertising and sponsor money. Korea has an awesome number of bw viewers packed into a very small area - making both advertising and brand sponsoring very easy. Sc2 is doing very well even outside korea, but it just doesn't compare to the bw proscene in terms of viewers, sponsor money and how organized this is through kespa. Both of you are just speaking from your biases. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
skt, kt and samsung are basically megabucks. they own the teams. sponsoring an american team is peanuts. until intel or verizon create a sc2 team, there's just no argument whatsoever. | ||
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monXikk
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Blennd
United States266 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 11 2011 04:16 Blennd wrote: Hmm Flash says Flash made 250k last year, Milkis said Flash made 500k. Who to believe... Flash was talking about salary only. Milkis included winnings too | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:41 StatorFlux wrote: Hm, looks like CJEntusHydra assigns all his hotkeys, 1 through 0, at the start if I don't read the graphs wrong while Losira's in the range 1-5, I don't know if that is noteworthy; just thought I'd mention it. Losira uses 3. "Hydra" doesn't... Well even if he is an imposter, the last time it happened, we got MarineKing, so I'm not too worried | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4273 Posts
On December 11 2011 04:09 monXikk wrote: I just want to drop that international teams/foreigner teams spend A LOT of their money on plane tickets, BW teams dont need to do that. On top of that Korean teams are just BW, not CS+LoL+Dota+Starcraft etc like EG, fnatic, Dignitas, SK etc. Some BW teams have SF divisions On December 11 2011 04:20 Linwelin wrote: Flash was talking about salary only. Milkis included winnings too And he got a big raise after lats year's SPL win | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
Sorry, mind went blank. What does SF stand for? | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On December 11 2011 04:09 monXikk wrote: I just want to drop that international teams/foreigner teams spend A LOT of their money on plane tickets, BW teams dont need to do that. On top of that Korean teams are just BW, not CS+LoL+Dota+Starcraft etc like EG, fnatic, Dignitas, SK etc. like every team has a special forces team too lol. SKT, KT, STX, CJ, Woongjin all have current teams in the proleague. Only samsung, ace, and team 8 don't (afaik). MBC and estro also had teams afaik (both are gone, but the mbc team got picked up as somebody. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=269488. Kespa's website lists TVing, IT Bank, and Q'Senn as the other teams, so maybe one of those is/was the MBC team? I don't know special forces. I know someone already answered that as I looked up stuff for this post but w/e. Anyways, I also posted this in some old thread about finances of current teams, just to give some numbers: Long post spoilered so as to not distract thread. Also I'm a scrub so my opinion isn't worth anything, but this is just compiled financial data. + Show Spoiler + We all know the answer is simply money; anyways, let's do analysis of sponsors of current (7 + 1 brand brand new) bw teams and "why they are in esports". Useful link is here, the major corporations in south korea on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_South_Korea spoiler is just some compiled financial data; not too relevant. just shows how large the sponsoring companies are (doesn't mean they give to the team, but they are big big companies; compared to something like primezzang or korean sc2 sponsors at this point) + Show Spoiler + --Samsung: largest revenue company in south korea; samsung electronics is a large part --SKT (part of SK Group: Fourth largest revenue in south korea; however, sk telecom is a large part of the group regardless) --STX: 10th? largest revenue in south korea --KT: 17th largest revenue in south korea --Air Force ACE: military team; they don't really depend on sponsors the same way other teams do I imagine --CJ Group: not on first wiki link above, but their english site claims 335 billion KRW in operating revenue 2010 (~300 million USD) http://cjir.irplus.co.kr/global_eng/ir/finance/highlight.asp cj is also in list of chaebol (large conglomerate) companies in korea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol larger than korean air chaebol *EDIT*--actually, I guess not larger than korean air. I don't know why I would have written that before; w/e. --Woongjin Group: not on first wiki list, but claims 7831 (billion?) KRW assets (7 billion USD) and 247 billion KRW (222 million) income in 2010 http://www.woongjin.com/English/investment/mn_result.aspx Teams that disbanded: wemade (Wemade entertainment, which lists 290 billion KRW (260 million USD) in total assets 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wemade_Entertainment) mbc game: mbc the media conglomerate is large (661 million USD revenue) but it is converting mbc game to a kpop channel hwaseung: this site lists some of its financial information, but I don't know if it's all of the conglomerate or just whatever this one automotive parts branch of hwaseung has is http://www.hsrna.com/eng/investment/investment1.asp and this site (I think this is more overall) says "1.3 billion won sales as the external value possession 22 companies: 8 in korea and 14 internationally)" http://www.hwaseunggroup.com/eng/hwaseung/about_us.asp?pcode=010101 however, both those sites are 2009 info. skipping that spoiler well, the above spoiler just establishes that major corporations in korea are sponsoring bw, and have been for many years (elaboration down below). 2 teams that disbanded after the last season (Wemade and hwaseung) were a bit smaller corporations. MBC game is shutting down as the overall company MBC (media network) is turning it into a kpop channel. As far as advertising goes, hwaseung doesn't really seem to have the same type of "electronics/gaming" sector that some of the other large companies clearly have and could benefit from sponsoring ESPORTS (samsung, sk telecom, kt (another telecom company/internet), cj which does quite a bit of entertainment/media/internet in addition to their food services). Wemade is an online games company so it's a bit surprising to me they cut their team, but I guess they decided it was too costly for the benefit or were having internal problems. STX is a ship builder and woongjin is an ??? company (website said it started as educational/publication company, and now says its a holdings company) It's no surprise that those 4 teams--sky, kt, samsung, cj--are older (all have been in their current form with same sponsorship since 2006 or older) and have always been viewed as having more "money" than the other teams. STX soul has been in the form of STX since 2004. Woongjin changed to woongjin in 2008. Air Force Ace is a special case. Hwaseung, wemade, and mbc game were comparably smaller sponsors than the other teams in the modern era (when nada was on wemade, I get the impression it may have been larger). summary: Of the 7 current teams (not counting the brand brand new team put together),5 (skt, kt, cj, and samsung, air force ace) are pretty stable imo. Sk planet, SK Telecom's cell phone division iirc, just picked up this year's proleague after sponsorship from shinhan bank. They are sponsored by huge companies in south korea that have been sponsoring the teams for years (latest change was 2006 for CJ as far as I can tell), that all have significant shares in electronic/esports industry; air force ace also is a different type of team. The teams "at risk", in my view, are STX and Woongjin--STX had some internal problems recently (put all players up for draft; not that it's disbanding, but they did some move like that at end of last proleague season) and I can't tell how much woongjin is invested. Both woongjin and STX are seen as "lower money" teams as far as I can tell than teams like kt and skt who cough up those large salaries for players. Jaedong, the best zerg of all time, always had a much lower salary on hwaseung than he "could have had" with other teams. KT and SKT also sends its players on vacations, and Samsung players always have to say how they get the new samsung products in their interviews (Stork talking about his samsung galaxy, etc). . The companies are paying the players well, have been doing so for a long time, and even use them as forms of advertisement. Even now stork is in some gaming commercial, but I can't find a vod of it. they all have given large salaries to players. you can look up interviews recently of midas's retirement where he talks about his salaries in SKT and all. Current big name sc players have very large salaries. Most of SC2 money comes from prize money for koreans. | ||
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Michaels
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On December 11 2011 04:34 SeaSwift wrote: Sorry, mind went blank. What does SF stand for? Its a Korean counter strike | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 11 2011 04:37 N.geNuity wrote: like every team has a special forces team too lol. SKT, KT, STX, CJ, Woongjin all have current teams in the proleague. Only samsung, ace, and team 8 don't (afaik). MBC and estro also had teams afaik (both are gone, but the mbc team got picked up as somebody. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=269488. Kespa's website lists TVing, IT Bank, and Q'Senn as the other teams, so maybe one of those is/was the MBC team? I don't know special forces. I know someone already answered that as I looked up stuff for this post but w/e. Anyways, I also posted this in some old thread about finances of current teams, just to give some numbers: Long post spoilered so as to not distract thread. Also I'm a scrub so my opinion isn't worth anything, but this is just compiled financial data. + Show Spoiler + We all know the answer is simply money; anyways, let's do analysis of sponsors of current (7 + 1 brand brand new) bw teams and "why they are in esports". Useful link is here, the major corporations in south korea on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_South_Korea spoiler is just some compiled financial data; not too relevant. just shows how large the sponsoring companies are (doesn't mean they give to the team, but they are big big companies; compared to something like primezzang or korean sc2 sponsors at this point) + Show Spoiler + --Samsung: largest revenue company in south korea; samsung electronics is a large part --SKT (part of SK Group: Fourth largest revenue in south korea; however, sk telecom is a large part of the group regardless) --STX: 10th? largest revenue in south korea --KT: 17th largest revenue in south korea --Air Force ACE: military team; they don't really depend on sponsors the same way other teams do I imagine --CJ Group: not on first wiki link above, but their english site claims 335 billion KRW in operating revenue 2010 (~300 million USD) http://cjir.irplus.co.kr/global_eng/ir/finance/highlight.asp cj is also in list of chaebol (large conglomerate) companies in korea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol; larger than korean air chaebol --Woongjin Group: not on first wiki list, but claims 7831 (billion?) KRW assets (7 billion USD) and 247 billion KRW (222 million) income in 2010 http://www.woongjin.com/English/investment/mn_result.aspx Teams that disbanded: wemade (Wemade entertainment, which lists 290 billion KRW (260 million USD) in total assets 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wemade_Entertainment) mbc game: mbc the media conglomerate is large (661 million USD revenue) but it is converting mbc game to a kpop channel hwaseung: this site lists some of its financial information, but I don't know if it's all of the conglomerate or just whatever this one automotive parts branch of hwaseung has is http://www.hsrna.com/eng/investment/investment1.asp and this site (I think this is more overall) says "1.3 billion won sales as the external value possession 22 companies: 8 in korea and 14 internationally)" http://www.hwaseunggroup.com/eng/hwaseung/about_us.asp?pcode=010101 however, both those sites are 2009 info. skipping that spoiler well, the above spoiler just establishes that major corporations in korea are sponsoring bw, and have been for many years (elaboration down below). 2 teams that disbanded after the last season (Wemade and hwaseung) were a bit smaller corporations. MBC game is shutting down as the overall company MBC (media network) is turning it into a kpop channel. As far as advertising goes, hwaseung doesn't really seem to have the same type of "electronics/gaming" sector that some of the other large companies clearly have and could benefit from sponsoring ESPORTS (samsung, sk telecom, kt (another telecom company/internet), cj which does quite a bit of entertainment/media/internet in addition to their food services). Wemade is an online games company so it's a bit surprising to me they cut their team, but I guess they decided it was too costly for the benefit or were having internal problems. STX is a ship builder and woongjin is an ??? company (website said it started as educational/publication company, and now says its a holdings company) It's no surprise that those 4 teams--sky, kt, samsung, cj--are older (all have been in their current form with same sponsorship since 2006 or older) and have always been viewed as having more "money" than the other teams. STX soul has been in the form of STX since 2004. Woongjin changed to woongjin in 2008. Air Force Ace is a special case. Hwaseung, wemade, and mbc game were comparably smaller sponsors than the other teams in the modern era (when nada was on wemade, I get the impression it may have been larger). summary: Of the 7 current teams (not counting the brand brand new team put together),5 (skt, kt, cj, and samsung, air force ace) are pretty stable imo. Sk planet, SK Telecom's cell phone division iirc, just picked up this year's proleague after sponsorship from shinhan bank. They are sponsored by huge companies in south korea that have been sponsoring the teams for years (latest change was 2006 for CJ as far as I can tell), that all have significant shares in electronic/esports industry; air force ace also is a different type of team. The teams "at risk", in my view, are STX and Woongjin--STX had some internal problems recently (put all players up for draft; not that it's disbanding, but they did some move like that at end of last proleague season) and I can't tell how much woongjin is invested. Both woongjin and STX are seen as "lower money" teams as far as I can tell than teams like kt and skt who cough up those large salaries for players. Jaedong, the best zerg of all time, always had a much lower salary on hwaseung than he "could have had" with other teams. KT and SKT also sends its players on vacations, and Samsung players always have to say how they get the new samsung products in their interviews (Stork talking about his samsung galaxy, etc). . The companies are paying the players well, have been doing so for a long time, and even use them as forms of advertisement. Even now stork is in some gaming commercial, but I can't find a vod of it. they all have given large salaries to players. you can look up interviews recently of midas's retirement where he talks about his salaries in SKT and all. Current big name sc players have very large salaries. Most of SC2 money comes from prize money for koreans. Errr. STX has always been known to pay their players well. Dunno about Woongjin but they seem to be actually trying nowadays but who knows. Vacations are usually done for "rewards" -- ie, if they win proleague etc the team will send their players to vacations. That has been the way for a long time. They do workshops and such. KT and SKT and Samsung do hand out devices to their players, but it's mostly to promote their newest gear. Remember that the teams usually pay salaries for three coaches (one for each race) and a manager on top, as long as a bunch of other staff involved in the esports divisions. Also, each one of the teams has a team house on top -- EG is the only team to have anything close to what Korean BW teams have at the moment =_= Flash won like 4 out of 6 starleagues in 2010, which is like 35K~45K a pop, and was runner up for the other two. In the end it's kind of not fair I suppose but Flash was pretty damn imba last year >_>; Anyway it doesn't really matter anyway since in the end the BW players *will* play SC2 at some point, not because "they're tired of brood war" or "omg the SC2 PRIZE POOLS" but because the entire scene will transition to SC2. The money/sponsors will follow. Who the hell knows what will happen then since there'll be some politics to play around -_- | ||
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N.geNuity
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ShineOnYou
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On December 11 2011 02:48 DeepBlu2 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2011 11:25 DeepBlu2 wrote: So I may look like a complete fool because I don't know how to use Sc2gears. I feel like this dosen't deserve it's own topic but here we go. So first, I asked Forgg to which he replied, no, that is not hydra. Sage had a similar response. I am completely sure this is not Hydra. However, I asked for a replay to compare it to and was told to compare it to Losira by 라푼젤(Rapunzel) (Credit goes to him) This is what I found Hotkeys match but I am confused as to how sc2gears works. So please inform me if I am wrong. And if someone knows sc2gears, please inform me. I disagree as it is something I see a lot not something necessarily repeated which is why I'm going to obtain another replay of Hydra's and do the same thing... If you are using a smurf, admit that you are hydra, but it is found that everyone on ladder like Forgg think you are lieing, the hotkeys match another pro gamer 98%...As well as the fact that whenever asked to tweet it, he refused...Also, when I told him that he was Losira after one of his games he finally replied asking "why?"...This is after I asked him 2-3 times who he was in between games, and saying he was Losira was the only thing that made him reply.. I'm going to get another replay and prove that it is Losira. what about asking hydra on his twitter to confirm or deny it is him? | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On December 11 2011 04:29 CeriseCherries wrote: Losira uses 3. "Hydra" doesn't... Well even if he is an imposter, the last time it happened, we got MarineKing, so I'm not too worried I don't know what you mean. They do both use 3. I'm working on getting another replay, but I'm looking at it now... I can see they both use 3... If you mean the frequency, it's because the first game ended sooner. And to the other person, someone messaged him and he replied, but when asked to post on twitter, he refused... And he also replied to me, but only when i called him out on being Losira. They also both have the same lair timings. I'll post again when I have another replay. | ||
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ShineOnYou
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InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
It isn't CH, okay? It's a pro's smurf. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
It's getting confusing because there's a Crazy-Hydra in Broodwar as well. | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
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tangwhat
New Zealand446 Posts
On December 11 2011 10:58 pdd wrote: Random question, why are some people calling him CH? CJ Hydra? It's getting confusing because there's a Crazy-Hydra in Broodwar as well. i thought people were just making jokes about crazy-hydra | ||
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
this games against this two players is just awesome and they are playing again hehe Losira is such a nice troll :D | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:00 hasuterrans wrote: Inevitably the transition for bw teams to sc2 will occur. I just hope that we don't end up with a Kespa-style league that is closed to foreigners and existing sc2 teams or really anything that creates a rift between Kespa teams and everyone else. Is it really fair to say Kespa-run league would be closed to foreigners ? It's probably just that foreigners in BW were, to be frank, bad (compared to the korean pros/amateurs anyway) | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
You had to earn your right by getting a license. -_- | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:04 StarStruck wrote: It wasn't closed to foreigners lmao. You had to earn your right by getting a license. -_- Exactly. I've heard this "kespa would be closed to foreigners" thing a few times now so I thought maybe there was something I was unaware of. = / | ||
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danson
United States689 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:06 jiabung wrote: The hotkey maps pretty much guarantees it is LoisirA. They've been used accurately in BW to determine progamers for ages and I haven't seen matches as good as these ever be wrong. Back that up with the supporting evidence (twitter/chat responses) and there is no chance that it is Hydra. Although I can understand why people continue to believe otherwise as it is extremely appealing to think of BW pros tearing up SC2. How does it guarantee it's Losira? 1. "Hydra" hot keys 1-0 at the start of the game, Losira doesn't. 2. "Hydra" doesn't use 6 at all. 3. Losira uses 3 a lot more than "Hydra" | ||
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tangwhat
New Zealand446 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:06 jiabung wrote: extremely appealing to think of BW pros tearing up SC2. don't forget unappealing for forgg to get murdered by losira | ||
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SarcasmMonster
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StarStruck
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
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mark05
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:17 mark05 wrote: and he just won (hydra) (again) twice in a row | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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AndAgain
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mark05
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Flaunt
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:13 tangwhat wrote: don't forget unappealing for forgg to get murdered by losira forGG's getting metagamed hard lol. his opener just puts him behind every game honestly. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Based on my knowledge,Losira was known for losing hatcheries and his weakness against early-mid game aggressions. | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:13 pdd wrote: How does it guarantee it's Losira? 1. "Hydra" hot keys 1-0 at the start of the game, Losira doesn't. 2. "Hydra" doesn't use 6 at all. 3. Losira uses 3 a lot more than "Hydra" The two replays titled "Losira" do not even perfectly match themselves (one uses 123 at start the other uses 145). That doesn't mean that they aren't both of Losira. Also the earliest instance of the 6 hotkey occurs after 8 minutes and the "Hydra" replay ends before then. Little nitpicky things and quirks are always going to be different but the overarching general uses of the hotkeys are a definite match. I haven't ever seen two progamers with the same hotkey setups where they spam them at the same times and frequency. These hotkey maps are like unique fingerprints and they can easily be used to identify progamers. | ||
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ShineOnYou
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:14 SarcasmMonster wrote: Kespa wasn't close but rather Gom is very open to foreigners. They're actively trying to encourage more foreigner participation. Kespa wasn't closed to foreigners. Very very very few foreigners were good enough to do much of anything beside getting completely destroyed by amateur practice partners. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:13 pdd wrote: How does it guarantee it's Losira? 1. "Hydra" hot keys 1-0 at the start of the game, Losira doesn't. 2. "Hydra" doesn't use 6 at all. 3. Losira uses 3 a lot more than "Hydra" You didn't read the followup posts. he doesn't use 6 because the game ends early, and you can clearly see he starts using six in the middle of the game. He doesn't use 3 because in the Hydra game, he cheesed and didn't use 3. As opposed to the other replays which were semi-macro games. Also, you can even see in the 2 losira replays they aren't identical. But 95% of the hotkeys are the same. SO that 5% is different in both losira replays, which means it can be different in the Hydra one as well. | ||
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unteqair
United States308 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
EDIT: Meant to post this in the other thread ㅜㅜ... | ||
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c0mp
Canada5 Posts
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hnQ
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:26 ShineOnYou wrote: well he just got destroyed by 2 rax bunker rush so this strengthens the losira hypothesis LOL | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
Bomber did say that he thinks it isn't the real hydra. | ||
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tranquilizer
United States66 Posts
It is Losira. I have both of them added on my korean account and Losira went offline and 5 seconds later Hydra logged in lol... more obvious pls | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:41 tranquilizer wrote: READ! It is Losira. I have both of them added on my korean account and Losira went offline and 5 seconds later Hydra logged in lol... more obvious pls Pics plox or it didn't happen | ||
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tranquilizer
United States66 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:45 Micket wrote: Just to say, lots of pro gamers have hot keys similar to Losira, because most pro zergs all hotkey their hatches and don't leave many control groups for units. Any slight difference is an argument against it being losira. Pics plox or it didn't happen Erm... and how would I have a picture of one person logging off and the other on? rofl brain pls | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:47 tranquilizer wrote: Erm... and how would I have a picture of one person logging off and the other on? rofl brain pls A video or it didn't happen! | ||
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tranquilizer
United States66 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:47 tranquilizer wrote: Erm... and how would I have a picture of one person logging off and the other on? rofl brain pls Prove you have a KR account and are friends with Losira and cjentushydra. At least make your story semi plausible. If you show me pics, I will believe you. | ||
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tranquilizer
United States66 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:51 Micket wrote: Prove you have a KR account and are friends with Losira and cjentushydra. At least make your story semi plausible. If you show me pics, I will believe you. Rofl I just logged off.. I'll get back on... 1 sec | ||
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tranquilizer
United States66 Posts
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/120025309-4.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/120025313-4.jpg There you go @Micket | ||
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aegisabcde
United States145 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
...that's a whole new can of worms man.... | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:41 tranquilizer wrote: READ! It is Losira. I have both of them added on my korean account and Losira went offline and 5 seconds later Hydra logged in lol... more obvious pls It really isn't proof one way or the other. Replay hotkey matching is certainly not enough, nor is it close (like it was said its 95% like between two replays of Losira). If its Losira he is certainly tearing it up good. | ||
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aegisabcde
United States145 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:59 Kimaker wrote: ...that's a whole new can of worms man.... Haha but I don't see anything from hotkey comparison that dissuades that assertion, so I'll keep dreaming. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:56 tranquilizer wrote: Yes I am a fanboy rofl.. I have like all korean pros added... np http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/120025309-4.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/120025313-4.jpg There you go @Micket Thanks. Definitely seems likely to be losira then. | ||
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tranquilizer
United States66 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:00 DeepBlu2 wrote: I watched the same thing as tranquilizer. It's 100% Losira between the matching hotkeys, him replying when I called him Losira, to him instantly logging off Hydra and onto Losira. 100% sure he is Losira. And it's hard to get another replay. Most people won't hand them out. I was lucky to get one. Yeah I'm 100% it's him | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
Hydra stopped forGG's hellion banshee harass and eventually beat his marine tank play. In the second game, forGG bunker rushed him and dominated him. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:02 galtdunn wrote: I think this is true, forGG played him a couple times yesterday. Hydra stopped forGG's hellion banshee harass and eventually beat his marine tank play. In the second game, forGG bunker rushed him and dominated him. Sounds like LosirA to me! Glad to see him doing really well vs bomber and forgg. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On December 10 2011 08:03 Roxy wrote: I think a lot of BW fans are going to be disappointed when the BW pros swtich to SC2. I dont doubt that they will do well (code s), and it is entirely likely that they will win some tournaments.. i just dont think it will be by the crazy one-sided margin that many of you expect. You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. | ||
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ShineOnYou
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:47 ShineOnYou wrote: so now losira has so explain himself as to why hes being a huge poser lamer posing for hydra I bet Hydra made the account and just gave it to him or something. I highly doubt Losira would pose as Hydra. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:47 ShineOnYou wrote: so now losira has so explain himself as to why hes being a huge poser lamer posing for hydra Same reason MKP chose the name 'Boxer'? I dunno. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:47 ShineOnYou wrote: so now losira has so explain himself as to why hes being a huge poser lamer posing for hydra because of intense admiration i would guess | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:49 K3Nyy wrote: I bet Hydra made the account and just gave it to him or something. I highly doubt Losira would pose as Hydra. No. Losira is a very talkative person, and I've seen him be BM somewhat...He's definitely more posing as Hydra than he is adoring Hydra... I'm just glad I put to rest most of the speculation. I don't think he made the account himself though. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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ShineOnYou
93 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:49 K3Nyy wrote: I bet Hydra made the account and just gave it to him or something. I highly doubt Losira would pose as Hydra. but he said to people he was the real one on bnet so if thats not posing then idk what it is | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
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Flaunt
New Zealand784 Posts
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ShineOnYou
93 Posts
On December 12 2011 09:36 Flaunt wrote: he could just be a massive hydra fanboy. i haven't seen him say anywehre that he's actually hydra, so he's not exactly posing as him. I've seen a screenshot somewhere in this thread of someone chatting with him and he said he was hydra and then when asked to post it on twitter to prove it he refused | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:50 SarcasmMonster wrote: Same reason MKP chose the name 'Boxer'? I dunno. Yeah but putting the team tag is a little overboard. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
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cccever
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xSDKx @dongwon8247 Are you playing StarCraft 2? dongwon8247 @xSDKx No~ | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:10 s4life wrote: You mean, dominating like MVP - the best ex pro BW gamer currently playing in SC2 - I'll take that bet. TLBS are in a whole different level than MVP, MC and other mediocre players.. Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On December 12 2011 09:53 Doodsmack wrote: Always love when you guys repeat so many times how you feel current SC2 pros are bad as if you need to ram it down our throats. Why else would add in that little "mediocre players" jab? You ignore the inherent game design of SC2 which closes the skill gap in mechanics. Certainly the BW pros will still be great at figuring out strategy, but the nature of SC2 will close the gap between the S class BW pros and the rest. It seems pretty clear that your prediction that the skill gap in SC2 (once the BW pros switch over ) will mirror the current one in BW is incorrect. They're different games. They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote: They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. People have to admit there is at least a correlation between BW success and SC2 success. While it's probably got very little to do with having good BW marine micro for example leading to strong TvZ timing pushes, those who are the best at BW have demonstrably better multitasking/mouse and hand speed & accuracy etc... these are skills transferrable to any similar game. Like SC2. | ||
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote: They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. You're probably right, but you don't have to be a dick about it. And TLBS isn't really a fair comparison, they'd crush pretty much any RTS they played in. Honestly this whole debate is such a silly one. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:06 DrunkenTemplar wrote: You're probably right, but you don't have to be a dick about it. And TLBS isn't really a fair comparison, they'd crush pretty much any RTS they played in. Honestly this whole debate is such a silly one. No, he should be a dick about it. I'm tired of these idiotic idra/stephano fanboys thinking that their favorite player is "talented" - they're not. The skill gap between stephano and Jaedong is comparable to that of a diamond player and MVP. | ||
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canikizu
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On December 12 2011 10:57 s4life wrote: They were mediocre in SC1, are you arguing they weren't? SC2 is a different game, but MVP is the best SC2 player and was the best SC1 player at the time he switched...it might be just coincidence as you suggest, but I think there is something else there.. we'll see when/if forgg starts smashing players in code S next season.. if that happens, you'll have to eat your words about all that 'closing the skill gap in mechanics', coz that sounds like a lot of bull to me right now -- we just don't know what is possible to do in-game right now only after a year. ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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ShineOnYou
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote: HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS. Standing ovation at that. | ||
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keyStorm
Canada316 Posts
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
for mothership vortex(s) i don't think that was lorisa the playstyles are completely different and unit control is better | ||
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LeFroMaGe
United States628 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote: HuK wins a 38-minute game on Tal'Darim and gets an ovation from SlayerS. If you don't mind me asking how do you know? And why a standing O? | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:29 canikizu wrote: ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad. You don't think the fact that he is a former BW pro has any correlation to the fact he's played tons of games? | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:44 LeFroMaGe wrote: If you don't mind me asking how do you know? And why a standing O? Well, he's streaming right now with the webcam on... So I know because I watched the game. The game ended when Hydra/Losira/whoever the f it is GGed after losing Broods to Archon/vortex. | ||
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Tyrr
United States216 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:44 LeFroMaGe wrote: If you don't mind me asking how do you know? And why a standing O? Huk is streaming. And a very good game. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Plexa: Which made him a good SC2 player, though? I'm not saying the BW-pro status doesn't help, because it totally does. But I'll bet my house that he's a much better player now than he was 8000 games ago. He's crushing because he's been in mass-game-mode for the last eight months, not because he switched over yesterday and is just that much better than everyone else. why do you people think we believe that the top bw pros can pick up sc2 and beat a top pro without even KNOWING WHAT ALL THE UNITS DO? would you rather him have less knowledge than his opponent? i don't understand your reasoning (because there is none). if pretty much any top bw pro switched over to sc2 and played the same # of games as the other top pros then i bet you the BW one would win. | ||
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Plexa: Which made him a good SC2 player, though? I'm not saying the BW-pro status doesn't help, because it totally does. But I'll bet my house that he's a much better player now than he was 8000 games ago. He's crushing because he's been in mass-game-mode for the last eight months, not because he switched over yesterday and is just that much better than everyone else. Amazing reply. Did you even read Plexa's last 5 words? Since we're on this topic, let me ask, do SC2 progamers (how about just the korean ones) ALSO sleep 8 or 9 hours and practice the rest away each day every day if there is an upcoming match? | ||
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:29 canikizu wrote: ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad. This sort of sentiment has been posted quite a bit for some reason. Why do you have to temper any success he has with rationalizations like this to try to disprove BW apologists' arguments? Is it some spiteful defiance? The Elephant article explicitly talks about BW professionals' work ethics. Moreover, it's easy to see why his game count would be higher, having not been on a pro team for most of the year and not having access to high-level custom game matches. And even when Raptor was outed by HuK as ForGG in mid July, did you not realize that ForGG, even just playing semi-seriously at that point, was still rank 16 Korean GM and good enough to be matched against HuK? Only now for the last two months has he been in serious training after joining a pro team, and he makes Code S on his first try by steamrolling his opponents. Why can't that be impressive without someone whispering, "But it's been eight months, some grand intangible BW mojo had nothing to do with it"? Sheesh. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote: forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars) Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:29 canikizu wrote: ForGG has been playing this game since Season 1, the number of games in all of his accounts (Fin, Apex, Raptor) are much higher than a lot of current sc2 pro. In fact, if the profile on sc2rank.com is correct, he has been playing roughly 8000 games since season 1 on all of his accounts. He is not some godlike BW pro who suddenly popped up and is going to dominating the scene in 2 months. He is good, everybody knows that, even current Korean sc2 pro know that, since they have been playing against him on ladder for a longest time. He's going to be top Korean pro for sure, everybody knows that. BUT that is because of his hard work, dedication, determination, not because he has BW tag in his profile. People like you who are selling him short are making me sad. When did I suggest forgg is lazy or something? if you think about it, absolutely all BW pros that have had some success so far, are dedicated, determined and have a work ethic that is unmatched.. it just requires a lot of work to master a game like BW. As such, the idea of training hard is so ingrained in these gamers' personalities that you might as well say that they carry being a top BW-pro as a tag. | ||
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:58 SafeAsCheese wrote: Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream. I think he was just trying to showoff his multitasking and micro, which are pretty ridiculous | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:44 Plexa wrote: You don't think the fact that he is a former BW pro has any correlation to the fact he's played tons of games? Yes, but if there were a random guy who has been playing 8000 games with no BW background making breakout, we would not open the sentence with "BW pro" every time we talk about the guy, instead we will only look at that guy as who he is: a dedicate player. I'm tired with people who keep saying BW pro has super sayan power which makes them instantly turn god in 1,2 months. They're working hard for it. that's all that matters. | ||
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:58 SafeAsCheese wrote: Yeah that doesn't make sense Watching him do the same 4-5 builds over... and over.... and over... and over is not fun on a stream. You might've missed his cheeses and stupidtroll builds like getting a 3rd CC before gas marine only vs z (which by then had 2/2 bane/ling infestor, or 2rax proxy against huk/idra rematches | ||
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:23 Ktk wrote: You might've missed his cheeses and stupidtroll builds like getting a 3rd CC before gas marine only vs z (which by then had 2/2 bane/ling infestor, or 2rax proxy against huk/idra rematches He beat bomber offracing as protoss too. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:55 FlyingDike wrote: forgg said on his twitter that he was just toying around while streaming for the sake of his fans!...but lets get real here.. What other pro player consistently pulls his mules off the minerals before they die?(without health bars) Top koreans have been doing that for a while now. And iirc you only have to do that if you put the mule on a short patch instead of a far one. | ||
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cccever
17 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:42 keyStorm wrote: if he just started playing this game...wow! he's amazing already Its not Hydra, its most likely Losira. OP should really include this tweet from him, so that people dont get confused xSDKx @dongwon8247 Are you playing StarCraft 2? dongwon8247 @xSDKx No~ | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:51 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote: playing bw helped... playing a ton of games helped... forgg is good because of both. Those who didn't play bw or weren't good at bw want to say it was mass gaming so they can think there ganna be as good by playing a lot. Sure... you will be good by playing a lot so keep playing. people who played or were good at bw want to say it's because of his bw backround he's this good. Yup, it surely did help he played a professional rts that's more similar to sc2 than any other game . Yah I think that would help. stop it. He's good because he played a similar rts for many years and trained the same way he's training now. he's also good because he's putting a lot of work in. Both are contributing. People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene. | ||
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
surprized to see how fast these BW guys are adapting onto sc2! | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
On December 12 2011 20:35 Squeegy wrote: People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene. You live on earth.. filled with billions of people. Some will naturally be better at say RTS or starcraft than others. But talent only helps early on in a progamers life, theres only so much you can depend on talent for. Someone without a bw "talented" backround can still be just as good by putting in the work to better understand the game. Mass gaming does nothing for you if you don't have the right mindset in your training, and aren't trying to further your understanding of your own play and the game as a whole. I only said what I said because it's dumb for this arguement to continue because both sides are right. Naturally if you play a game so similar but more difficult than sc2 for many years prior, and trained the same way training now, you have a leg up because your already know the grind of improvement. But having that knowledge you have to put in the work, naturally the more you play a game the better you get. he has a leg up because he knows that you can't just mass game you have to further your understanding of the game itself, which came from BW. But all his know-how in progaming wouldn't mean squat if he wasn't putting in the effort. I've heard pro's talk about july and his lack of practice this last year. idk if its true, but the same thing applies if it is. He has mad talent, but since he wasn't putting work in he would obviously beat the average bear but anyone putting work in he'd lose to. There just isn't a point to TL debates like this because everyone is right.. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:05 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote: You live on earth.. filled with billions of people. Some will naturally be better at say RTS or starcraft than others. But talent only helps early on in a progamers life, theres only so much you can depend on talent for. Someone without a bw "talented" backround can still be just as good by putting in the work to better understand the game. Mass gaming does nothing for you if you don't have the right mindset in your training, and aren't trying to further your understanding of your own play and the game as a whole. I only said what I said because it's dumb for this arguement to continue because both sides are right. Naturally if you play a game so similar but more difficult than sc2 for many years prior, and trained the same way training now, you have a leg up because your already know the grind of improvement. But having that knowledge you have to put in the work, naturally the more you play a game the better you get. he has a leg up because he knows that you can't just mass game you have to further your understanding of the game itself, which came from BW. But all his know-how in progaming wouldn't mean squat if he wasn't putting in the effort. I've heard pro's talk about july and his lack of practice this last year. idk if its true, but the same thing applies if it is. He has mad talent, but since he wasn't putting work in he would obviously beat the average bear but anyone putting work in he'd lose to. There just isn't a point to TL debates like this because everyone is right.. I think you have misunderstood what talent is. If you have no talent and you practise as much as the BW pros you won't become as good as them. On the other hand, if you have plenty of talent but don't practise much then you also won't get very far. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:33 FlyingDike wrote: He beat bomber offracing as protoss too. Lol VOD? Or what build did he go? | ||
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Deimos
Mexico134 Posts
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
a lot of trololo now they are speak english in game ;d | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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Deimos
Mexico134 Posts
http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3592145/GalaxyMvP/maps/ | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
EDIT: I am going to recheck. Edit2: Checked. They match some but not nearly as much as Losira's. I still am pretty sure it's Losira... But they do match a little. | ||
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rift
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 29 2011 12:43 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I've heard multiple times already, and Huk just said it a couple days ago, that all the BW teams are practicing SC2 as well. I don't work for Kespa or the Korean Ministry of Culture, so obviously I don't know the specifics of what's going on, but we very well could be seeing the beginning of the transition of BW to SC2 in Korea. this was known a long time ago, back when KT and a couple of other teams upgraded their computers | ||
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hyperknight
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Mentor
Germany219 Posts
On January 03 2012 16:38 Quintum_ wrote: I dont follow BW but i dont think it would make much sense for these top BW pros to switch. While SC2 is a huge success in the foreign scene it is still somewhat of a flop in korea from what i get. Why change when your market is still very strong. Yes, the BW scene is still more popular in Korea, but if you keep in mind that alot of the sponsors left last year and how there were several teams that already disbanded, it makes the decision understandable, to transition into a game that has a potentially bright future. The merging of the two Starcraft scenes in Korea would definately help the e-sports in general, from an economic point of view. | ||
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discobaas
225 Posts
He also beat sase in pvp and some other known protoss, as well as some topterrans as Z =] Don't have link to the exact vods, but it's on own3d / blabla / ogsforgg. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On December 12 2011 20:35 Squeegy wrote: People also forget BW's role at finding talent. It's not just who practises the most and who is the most dedicated. It's also about talent. And if you were succesful in a game as competetive as BW mass gaming simply didn't cut it. You had to have something else to bring to the table. That something is talent. BW pros are highly talented and they work like crazy. That is why they are so good and that is why they will rock the scene. And why is it that BW elitists think sc2 does not find talented and dedicated players? Also, why do you rule out the possibility that a player like MVP put a lot more effort into sc2 than he did in bw? Is that so unrealistic? I'm sure if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu switched to sc2, they have the potential to be dominating players. But they'd have to put in the same amount of hours and sick practice they did when they became good in bw and I'm sure it's hard to motivate yourself when you've already been at the top of another game. I don't think all of them would be able to. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On January 03 2012 20:04 Mandalor wrote: And why is it that BW elitists think sc2 does not find talented and dedicated players? Also, why do you rule out the possibility that a player like MVP put a lot more effort into sc2 than he did in bw? Is that so unrealistic? I'm sure if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu switched to sc2, they have the potential to be dominating players. But they'd have to put in the same amount of hours and sick practice they did when they became good in bw and I'm sure it's hard to motivate yourself when you've already been at the top of another game. I don't think all of them would be able to. I agree wholeheartedly. Tyler was a dominating force in BW and without practice now in SC2 he hasn't been dominating as much. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On January 03 2012 20:04 Mandalor wrote: And why is it that BW elitists think sc2 does not find talented and dedicated players? Also, why do you rule out the possibility that a player like MVP put a lot more effort into sc2 than he did in bw? Is that so unrealistic? I'm sure if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu switched to sc2, they have the potential to be dominating players. But they'd have to put in the same amount of hours and sick practice they did when they became good in bw and I'm sure it's hard to motivate yourself when you've already been at the top of another game. I don't think all of them would be able to. mvp lived in a pro house and HAD to practice. it was his job | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On January 03 2012 16:38 Quintum_ wrote: I dont follow BW but i dont think it would make much sense for these top BW pros to switch. While SC2 is a huge success in the foreign scene it is still somewhat of a flop in korea from what i get. Why change when your market is still very strong. Well i'm no expert on the Korean market but i would assume that if all the top players and tournaments switched over to SC2 that it would rise in prominence very quickly. Maybe not to the size of BW straight away but certainly bigger than it is now. Then they could still be apart of the strong Korean scene whilst also taking advantage of the growing international market. I don't think it will happen for a while yet though. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 03 2012 20:04 Mandalor wrote: Also, why do you rule out the possibility that a player like MVP put a lot more effort into sc2 than he did in bw? Is that so unrealistic? Yup, it's extremely unrealistic. It's barely even humanly possible to put in more practice hours than Brood War progamers do on average, let alone to put A LOT more effort in. That would imply that he played BW half-assed, and he wouldn't have made it to an A team (even if it was Woongjin T) playing BW half-assed, in fact he wouldn't have made it to the team at all. On January 03 2012 20:20 ReaperX wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. Tyler was a dominating force in BW and without practice now in SC2 he hasn't been dominating as much. Tyler didn't play Brood War full time either. Foreign Brood War didn't actually have a professional scene. Players like Tyler and Mondragon got good, then they practiced for a period of time (usually before major tournaments), then did school and other stuff for a long period of time, then came back just before another tournament and won because they were/are more talented than other foreigners. Obviously that kind of training regime won't work so well now that there are big tournaments every month and when there are players who actually do play Starcraft 2 seriously full time as an actual job. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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S2Glow
Singapore1042 Posts
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On January 03 2012 20:20 ReaperX wrote: Tyler was a dominating force in BW with all respect to tyler, i must laugh uncontrollably at this statement and no, he's not referring to only the foreign scene. if he was, it provides no support for his argument, considering the "foreign scene" in bw when tyler was at his peak was nonexistent and the level of play was so far below where the real bw pro scene was at | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Do you guys know why Flash is Godly? Some players having been playing the scene long before Flash became a distinguishable cheesy A-Teamer yet he can still out-wit them all in a BoX series?? It's because of his talent. Hours and hours of practice can only do you little against an opponent who could have more or less the same amount of practice time you've had but is actually talented. | ||
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