EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 52
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:34 MonkSEA wrote: In all fairness, SolidMustard, you need to read. ESWC was never put on the spotlight. All Cloud said was he was worried because nobody has contacted him for his payment details, and it's a few days until November. I can't see how Cloud shat on ESWC, please explain. He makes a thread to complain that some tournaments don't pay the money they owe him. He says it's a big deal, and gives three main examples. The fact that he put ESWC as one of his main examples was just stupid from him as it obviously brings only bad things to the ESWC brand, and the current management of ESWC has never failed to pay players quite fast so far. There was just no reason to mention them, and he chose it as one of his three main examples... If you're ESWC manager, don't tell me you're even considering inviting the guy again... Of course not ! | ||
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DurandaL917
United States92 Posts
I don't have much to add but as for a delay in payment, as an independent contractor, 90 days is not uncommon. Anything beyond that is unacceptable though and quickly becomes misrepresentation of what the tournament was to the players, fans and sponsors. I think it falls to the teams to pull their players from large tournaments that have failed to pay players in the past in a reasonable and timely fashion. And as a fan, if TeamLiquid were to publicly refuse to attend a tournament for that reason, you better believe that tournament would not get a single dollar from me and have one less viewer. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:26 SolidMustard wrote: He makes a thread because some tournaments owe him money for some long time (which he's right to do !), but no reason to include ESWC in his post, he should have thought about it ! Anyway it's not like it's a huge loss to not have him for next eswc events If you read his post you would understand why he included ESWC... he very clearly states it | ||
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DMaster
Romania61 Posts
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
Really sad to hear, this is really something the community needs to throw in harsh words about. Maybe It's time the people holding tourneys actually pay the winners before they announce a new tourney? Seems to have such a large amount of tourneys everyday, and that's great. But if they can't payout what they are promising then man.... THEY ARE RUINING E-SPORTS! Seriously! | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:32 Dodgin wrote: I get your point. And it is a poor one. Saying " It's not a big deal if they blacklist a player from an event " is a horrible thing. Sure maybe he should not have included ESWC but they don't need to send PM's threatening him. Edit: Nevermind. I don't want to get involved in this "discussion" | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:42 aTnClouD wrote: Honestly I liked ESWC organization and the event was great and I have absolutely nothing against it. I just stated that I didn't get contacted by anyone and I was worried since their bad payment history. I didn't necessary put them in a bad light since if they pay in time they will get positive reputation out of it. I just wrote my post in a way people could understand my point of view as progamer worried about getting his prize money all the time. it's sad that you have to clarify this. :/ ...Cloud isn't bashing ESWC at all guys... they're merely on the list because they haven't paid yet. Yes, the tourney was very recent, he tells us that. He's merely expressing the increasing doubt that tourneys will actually pay out. It's merely on the list for completion's sake, not because it's some "list of shame" as you're all putting it. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:42 aTnClouD wrote: Honestly I liked ESWC organization and the event was great and I have absolutely nothing against it. I just stated that I didn't get contacted by anyone and I was worried since their bad payment history. I didn't necessary put them in a bad light since if they pay in time they will get positive reputation out of it. I just wrote my post in a way people could understand my point of view as progamer worried about getting his prize money all the time. You don't need to defend yourself man, you're in the right here and the few voices speaking against you will be silenced by the supporters. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:43 SolidMustard wrote: *snip* He makes a thread to complain that some tournaments don't pay the money they owe him. He says it's a big deal, and gives three main examples. The fact that he put ESWC as one of his main examples was just stupid from him as it obviously brings only bad things to the ESWC brand, and the current management of ESWC has never failed to pay players quite fast so far. There was just no reason to mention them, and he chose it as one of his three main examples... If you're ESWC manager, don't tell me you're even considering inviting the guy again... Of course not ! When you purchase a brand name because you don't want to build up a brand name yourself. You take both the good and the bad with that. You don't get to pick and choose. ESWC as a brand has a history and I see no reason Cloud or anyone should not hold them to the fire when it comes to payments. | ||
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DeathAngel[ro]
Romania79 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:41 Deimos0 wrote: I somewhat understand that funding and paying for prizes can be delayed (as it is quite normal thing in private business - I have a full-time job in government administration, so payment is not a problem for me), but seriously - I rarely hear of delays like mentioned 90 days or even more. And I fail to see how anyone can justify such irresponsible business model. It's simple - you either can ensure, that you'll get money on time, or don't even bother organising anything. Maybe then we'll have few bigger tournaments, but with ensured prizes payment and some small, local competition with affordable (for organisation managing the event) prizes. Then (again) maybe situation will be less nervous for all of us. (another thing - I seriously lol'd at hearing that account process requires such a long time - when we have internet, faxes and all this technology it sounds absurd). And as someone posted - it seems to be good idea to form an organisation dedicated to fighting for players' laws. Or just include strict contracts before entering the tournament (which would be good evidence at the court if needed) believe me .. from what I saw on myself / heard from others.. 90 days is quite reasonable , the delay usually being a loger period of time | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:40 Origine wrote: i heard somewhere that vampirelady was ghosting for u so that u earn money, but u dont receive it, oh the irony  you shouldnt throw around stuff like this easily... | ||
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Endall
United States66 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:38 eNtitY~ wrote: Not true, Blizzard wanted my site to get approved for our $25 weeklys. I believe Blizzard wants a cut of anything over 5k. Not sure about weekly tournaments. You can read about their policies here. http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/3171 | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
I think the main issue is that competitive Starcraft is trying to grow to fast and have tons of huge tournaments with great money but they can't afford it. Maybe if the tournaments took a step back and got a little smaller and offered smaller prizes this wouldn't happen. | ||
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MoreSore
Ireland73 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
I had some fights with insurance companies in my life and they were quite nerve-racking, but after i took out an legal expense insurance policy i was without stress because i knew that my lawyer would manage things and i wouldn't bear any additional costs, in fact, due to the sheer circumstance that they knew i wouldn't have to worry about any additional costs, they wouldn't want to fight me or threaten my with a legal battle. How these things are transferable to eSports related issues i don't know tho Another interesting thing would be, if the players who participate in those big events or tournaments had to sign some sort of contract with the tournament organizer, which also regards the prize-money. I would think so, but i'm not a progamer so i actually don't know. Can any progamer answer this question? Thanks | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 01 2011 08:49 Endall wrote: I believe Blizzard wants a cut of anything over 5k. Not sure about weekly tournaments. You can read about their policies here. http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/3171 this is far more outrageous than anything else in this entire thread. the only reason it gets by is because random people who've never taken a course in economics think that capitalism somehow justifies blatantly ripping your customers off. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
1. Small online cups that don't pay prizemoney should be posted on TL and boycotted 2. Teams should make sure that they have a valid guarantee of big LANS that they will pay prizemoney in a limited amount of time, if you can't pay, don't organize the LAN. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
I hope all you pros out there get yourselves a union or collective bargaining body of some kind and put the squeeze back on the bad tournaments, remember - you're they guys that are providing the content, the tourney just supplies the platform. | ||
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gauz
Sweden16 Posts
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